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On April 08 2012 17:39 GraFx wrote:
"MKP could have come back!"
MKP fans actually believe that 3 marauders and 6 vikings can kill 16 zealots and 6 stalkers.
Let that soak in.
+ 20 supply in production about to pop. MKP showed vs Bomber that he can do comebacks just fine.
Honestly this drama will blow over, shame it taints Primes achievement. Does not matter though. MKP keeps on proving his insane skill.
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Yes lets all criticize MKP for accepting a regame from GOM that he never deserved.
funny how no one criticizes foreigners for accepting code a/s invites from GOM they don't deserve.
bottom line is half the people arguing doesn't give a shit about either teams and is only here for the drama. same with the orb situation.
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On April 08 2012 17:44 Hypemeup wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2012 17:39 GraFx wrote:
"MKP could have come back!"
MKP fans actually believe that 3 marauders and 6 vikings can kill 16 zealots and 6 stalkers.
Let that soak in. + 20 supply in production about to pop. MKP showed vs Bomber that he can do comebacks just fine. Honestly this drama will blow over, shame it taints Primes achievement. Does not matter though. MKP keeps on proving his insane skill.
You forget that Parting was on top of his production facilities, except for 3 raxes at his 3rd base. His units would be killed the same instant the would come out of the rax.
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On April 08 2012 17:38 Laurens wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2012 17:27 MaNaVoId wrote:On April 08 2012 17:19 SoulReaver306 wrote:On April 08 2012 17:10 pPingu wrote:Just when I thought you could'n do worse that GSL finals, gom finds a way-_- Is there any progamer that said MKP still had a chance? Cause I tried to find but couldn't. Even mkp says it I was about to be overtaken. He says in this interview that he had no doubt he could bring it back in his favor. http://www.esfiworld.com/video/marinekings-post-gstl-championship-interview Lol we might need him to show us how to micro 3 marauders to win against 16 zealots. he had units from 12 raxes about to pop, 9 if the 3 at his natural died before they came out. then it's a decent bio force vs zealots without any AOE SO HARD
You are talking like as if only marineking has production facilities, parting has equal bases and 15 gateways with Chronoboost and a proxy warp prism. a round of Marauders from 9 barracks without medivacs are no match for chargelots and stalkers especially when your opponent has 2.7k more value in army http://i40.tinypic.com/2128lzk.jpg
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On April 08 2012 17:48 epicdemic wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2012 17:44 Hypemeup wrote:On April 08 2012 17:39 GraFx wrote:
"MKP could have come back!"
MKP fans actually believe that 3 marauders and 6 vikings can kill 16 zealots and 6 stalkers.
Let that soak in. + 20 supply in production about to pop. MKP showed vs Bomber that he can do comebacks just fine. Honestly this drama will blow over, shame it taints Primes achievement. Does not matter though. MKP keeps on proving his insane skill. You forget that Parting was on top of his production facilities, except for 3 raxes at his 3rd base. His units would be killed the same instant the would come out of the rax.
He was ontop of 3 rax outside of MKP's natural, the bigger portion of his raxes were in his main and while parting did have his warp prism there he had no resources to warp in with.
Its such an unfortunate situation either way. 
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On April 08 2012 17:44 Hypemeup wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2012 17:39 GraFx wrote:
"MKP could have come back!"
MKP fans actually believe that 3 marauders and 6 vikings can kill 16 zealots and 6 stalkers.
Let that soak in. + 20 supply in production about to pop. MKP showed vs Bomber that he can do comebacks just fine. Honestly this drama will blow over, shame it taints Primes achievement. Does not matter though. MKP keeps on proving his insane skill.
But he got away with a carelessness(he stated in interview that he was careless in first game), and bomber also got careless in a game which he got huge economic advantage but marineking got away with it due to unfair ruling and bomber did not, so prime's achievement will always be tainted.
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MKP GOGO. Man I'll be so happy if he wins GSL this season. About the regame decision...I don't get it. If the drop was earlier in the game, half the people would be saying OMG MKP HAD ADVANTAGE AND WITH REGAME HE GOT SCREWED. Now since the drop was when the game was in Partings favor, everyone says the opposite. Oh well, seeing MKP on his game is such a treat.
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On April 08 2012 17:51 zeru wrote:
Why does he want to resign as coach?
Lol you really takes his words seriously? he said that just to ensure that startale either has to silently admit their defeat is fair or else startale would lose their public reputation by further pursuing in matter
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On April 08 2012 17:48 epicdemic wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2012 17:44 Hypemeup wrote:On April 08 2012 17:39 GraFx wrote:
"MKP could have come back!"
MKP fans actually believe that 3 marauders and 6 vikings can kill 16 zealots and 6 stalkers.
Let that soak in. + 20 supply in production about to pop. MKP showed vs Bomber that he can do comebacks just fine. Honestly this drama will blow over, shame it taints Primes achievement. Does not matter though. MKP keeps on proving his insane skill. You forget that Parting was on top of his production facilities, except for 3 raxes at his 3rd base. His units would be killed the same instant the would come out of the rax.
Did you watch the game? He was at the bottom of the ramp camping on 3 raxes not in his main destroying his production facilities. The false information of this is really annoying to read as I am wondering if we were watching the same game.
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On April 08 2012 17:48 MaNaVoId wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2012 17:38 Laurens wrote:On April 08 2012 17:27 MaNaVoId wrote:On April 08 2012 17:19 SoulReaver306 wrote:On April 08 2012 17:10 pPingu wrote:Just when I thought you could'n do worse that GSL finals, gom finds a way-_- Is there any progamer that said MKP still had a chance? Cause I tried to find but couldn't. Even mkp says it I was about to be overtaken. He says in this interview that he had no doubt he could bring it back in his favor. http://www.esfiworld.com/video/marinekings-post-gstl-championship-interview Lol we might need him to show us how to micro 3 marauders to win against 16 zealots. he had units from 12 raxes about to pop, 9 if the 3 at his natural died before they came out. then it's a decent bio force vs zealots without any AOE SO HARD You are talking like as if only marineking has production facilities, parting has equal bases and 15 gateways with Chronoboost and a proxy warp prism. a round of Marauders from 9 barracks without medivacs are no match for chargelots and stalkers especially when your opponent has 2.7k more value in army http://i40.tinypic.com/2128lzk.jpg
most of that army value is in HTs at parting's bases. Then there's some units at the watchtower.
If you think that 10+ well-upgraded marauders with concussive and stim don't win vs 3 stalkers and 15 chargelots with 3-1 upgrades (parting went single forge) then you are wrong.
Like you said, they were even on bases, pretty much even on production (12 rax with addons and 1 or 2 starports vs 15 gates. yes, 3 raxes about to die). The warp prism was about to be shot down by vikings and parting had no resources to warp in at that moment anyway.
And no, parting was not on top of MKP's production, only on top of those 3 raxes outside the natural.
This simply wasn't over, sure MKP might have had the slight disadvantage, but the correct decision was made.
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On April 08 2012 17:48 MaNaVoId wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2012 17:38 Laurens wrote:On April 08 2012 17:27 MaNaVoId wrote:On April 08 2012 17:19 SoulReaver306 wrote:On April 08 2012 17:10 pPingu wrote:Just when I thought you could'n do worse that GSL finals, gom finds a way-_- Is there any progamer that said MKP still had a chance? Cause I tried to find but couldn't. Even mkp says it I was about to be overtaken. He says in this interview that he had no doubt he could bring it back in his favor. http://www.esfiworld.com/video/marinekings-post-gstl-championship-interview Lol we might need him to show us how to micro 3 marauders to win against 16 zealots. he had units from 12 raxes about to pop, 9 if the 3 at his natural died before they came out. then it's a decent bio force vs zealots without any AOE SO HARD You are talking like as if only marineking has production facilities, parting has equal bases and 15 gateways with Chronoboost and a proxy warp prism. a round of Marauders from 9 barracks without medivacs are no match for chargelots and stalkers especially when your opponent has 2.7k more value in army http://i40.tinypic.com/2128lzk.jpg
His production wouldn't have gotten there for a good half minute or more. He didn't have a proxy pylon up near the front. Archons and zealots would take a while to get past supply depots and 2 repops, good micro, and a bit of SCV usage could've turned the game if parting messed up. Heck, Parting could've stormed his own zealots and gave MKP the game, he's done it before.
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If Startale or the fans think that Parting deserved a win, I will resign as team Prime’s coach.
It's nice to see he's taking the matter seriously, but that's not exactly the correct way to go at it.
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On April 08 2012 17:59 boxturtle wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2012 17:48 MaNaVoId wrote:On April 08 2012 17:38 Laurens wrote:On April 08 2012 17:27 MaNaVoId wrote:On April 08 2012 17:19 SoulReaver306 wrote:On April 08 2012 17:10 pPingu wrote:Just when I thought you could'n do worse that GSL finals, gom finds a way-_- Is there any progamer that said MKP still had a chance? Cause I tried to find but couldn't. Even mkp says it I was about to be overtaken. He says in this interview that he had no doubt he could bring it back in his favor. http://www.esfiworld.com/video/marinekings-post-gstl-championship-interview Lol we might need him to show us how to micro 3 marauders to win against 16 zealots. he had units from 12 raxes about to pop, 9 if the 3 at his natural died before they came out. then it's a decent bio force vs zealots without any AOE SO HARD You are talking like as if only marineking has production facilities, parting has equal bases and 15 gateways with Chronoboost and a proxy warp prism. a round of Marauders from 9 barracks without medivacs are no match for chargelots and stalkers especially when your opponent has 2.7k more value in army http://i40.tinypic.com/2128lzk.jpg His production wouldn't have gotten there for a good half minute or more. He didn't have a proxy pylon up near the front. Archons and zealots would take a while to get past supply depots and 2 repops, good micro, and a bit of SCV usage could've turned the game if parting messed up. Heck, Parting could've stormed his own zealots and gave MKP the game, he's done it before.
no proxy pylon? What is warp prism for then. with chorono boost his reinforcements could get there the same time as mkp's units come out. Yes Parting could've stormed and killed all his own units and gave MKP the game, he also can hit alt f4 accidentally or accidentally kill all his buildings to do that. In that situation, it doesnt matter how good mkp is, it is gonna take some bronze league players to botch that and parting is definitely of a higher caliber than that.
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The point is MKP was about to knocked back into the stone age if he could even get a handle back in the game meanwhile partings economy boomed and he had more reinforcements ready to go to deal even more blows. It was over for MKP stop making up bull to defend the terrible regame decision.
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I don't get why people are so upset lol. Every time there is such a situation, most of the times the regame is taken DESPITE one person being at a clear advantage.
Remember the TSL, BoxeR vs NightEnd on xel'naga?
BoxeR had the game so so won but even with such a situation, they hesitated A LOT before giving him the game he had 99% won.
Plus here if the posts aren't misleading, PartinG didn't have a proxy pylon, MarineKing still got a way to mine bases if he cleared up the force of PartinG, a comeback would have been possible.
See Creator vs PuMa game 1, Creator had a lead all-game long but kept on failling and failling his engagements and then lost the game. Such things happen.
About Prime winning without MKP, Byun if I recall correctly 3-0ed StarTale protoss in the GSTL, 2-1ed Bomber yesterday and him + Creator are probably enough to take out Curious.
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On April 08 2012 15:24 MaNaVoId wrote:
So the decision for a regame is due to prime insisting on it and not purely the referees' decision? Such a stark contrast between startale players and prime players. Keep in mind that during dreamhack, when bomber had an overwhelming advantage over MaNa when the game dc and a win was given to bomber when bomber had less advantage over mana than parting has over mkp, however bomber insisted on not taking it even though Mana himself admitted he had no chance of holding (also props to Mana for upholding his integrity by admitting defeat). But the attitude of prime players are just on a totally different level. Marinekingprime has great micro, but i am willing to pay thousands of dollars for someone to coach me how to defeat that protoss army with 3 marauders. Yea marineking still has another production facility, but so does parting.
Lol I dont think you are making the point that you think you want to make here. You stated that historically, when faced with disconnect situation, Startale favored the regame approach even when they have the game won 100%. However today the regame was out of the question?
So you are saying that Bomber only allowed the regame because he knew he would beat Mana again anyway, but Parting would have difficulty beating MKP yet again, so they just follow the regame rule if it suits them? You cant just have your cake and eat it too.
And historically MKP also favored the regame approach, when he is on the worse end of the deal. During HomestoryCup 4, when MKP played vs Violet there was a disconnect during a game where MKP was winning and he also insisted on a regame. MKP won the regame but lost the series.
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On April 08 2012 18:09 Poopi wrote:
I don't get why people are so upset lol. Every time there is such a situation, most of the times the regame is taken DESPITE one person being at a clear advantage.
Remember the TSL, BoxeR vs NightEnd on xel'naga?
BoxeR had the game so so won but even with such a situation, they hesitated A LOT before giving him the game he had 99% won.
Plus here if the posts aren't misleading, PartinG didn't have a proxy pylon, MarineKing still got a way to mine bases if he cleared up the force of PartinG, a comeback would have been possible.
See Creator vs PuMa game 1, Creator had a lead all-game long but kept on failling and failling his engagements and then lost the game. Such things happen.
About Prime winning without MKP, Byun if I recall correctly 3-0ed StarTale protoss in the GSTL, 2-1ed Bomber yesterday and him + Creator are probably enough to take out Curious.
anyone has the ability to win against the other team's remaining players, but startale would be hugely favoured if parting was given a fair ruling. It will be parting squirtle bomber curious vs creator byun.
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On April 08 2012 15:28 JiPrime wrote:
Anyone who assumes that Gerrard's gonna quit after reading this is a nutcase and a fool.
If he actually quits because of this, I'm quitting TL for good.
Quitception :O
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Plus it's not like StarTale didn't have a chance to win after that. They would be 2-1 against Prime, with PartinG having another chance to win (if he was able to secure an "absolute" victory would have been easy ya?)...
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