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On March 31 2012 07:33 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2012 07:32 NexUmbra wrote:On March 31 2012 07:29 Forikorder wrote:On March 31 2012 07:24 NexUmbra wrote:On March 31 2012 06:58 MCXD wrote:On March 31 2012 06:52 Uracil wrote:On March 31 2012 06:42 Forikorder wrote:On March 31 2012 06:37 jidolboy wrote:On March 31 2012 06:32 Aemilia wrote:On March 31 2012 06:31 jidolboy wrote:
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You also don't have evidence if this will happen or not. So stop blaming on lack of evidence.
Even it's unlikely, KT or SKT CAN buy a couple of top players from SC2. HOWEVER, they probably won't and want to raise current BW players to a SC2 players because it is cheaper to do so I have the evidence of fxo.boss who states that Kespa are behaving pretty reasonably. Hi guys,
The point of this association is purely to show that we have done the hard yards as organisations in Korea and abroad to get sc2 to where it is now. It would be improper for an organisation such as Kespa to then say "join us or die".
I don't see a problem if Kespa teams would "buy" out the big names.
I mean good for the players. They would be paid better. Whats bad about that.
It also promotes the ability to run 2 leagues in Korea so that the players have more incentive to train hard. If there is no resistance or discussion between the two sides, there will be heavy schedule overlaps between proleague and GSL. It would also mean you would have to pick which side you wanted to be part of.
It 'potentially' would mean an end to foreigners in korea as well. Which none of us want of course.
I hope this helps.
Regards
FXOBoSs Show me where he said KeSPA won't buy players or stop KeSPA from buying players. I only see him mentioning there will be 2 sides. e-Sports Federation with GOM or KeSPA with OGN i think your underestimating the palyers though, some of them feel really indebted and loyal to there team, i mean for alot of them it must be like a family so i dont think there willing to jump ship so quickly I don't see a problem if Kespa teams would "buy" out the big names. I mean good for the players. They would be paid better. Whats bad about that. Unless I'm misunderstanding, the 'problem' is that Kespa has a history of not giving a shit about foreign players or fans. Although it may be for the best of the korean players, it is not for the best for just about everything else. Back in BW there was hardly any people though, back in the day the OSL restreams on TL would be hitting 1k viewers... nowadays shitty little daily tournaments attract twice that amount. theyll probably reach out to foreign fans, but people are also pretty worried about them not reaching out to foreign players as well IdrA HuK and Jinro already demonstrated that its possible for foreigners to compete in any Korean event and numerous foreigners have shown that there on the same level as many top koreans Well this is a really stupid post because foreigners have went and participated in Courage which is a Code B like tournament that gives you a progamer license) only the ones part of a korean team
Well that doesn't just concern foreign players but all of the GOM players then.
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Seems like current SC2 teams are really sceared that someday they will have to go to serious work. BW players of course are not good at SC2 at this moment, but it won't be long before they will be as good as current SC2 players. Or much, much better.
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KeSPA did not stop teams from competing in gomtv classic. They didn't officially recognise it, however, the teams that boycotted GSL had a reason for doing so. OGN/MBC were broadcast stations, eSTRO was sponsored by IEG and SKT held the presidents chair at KeSPA. Teams were simply overworked by this point and there wasn't room in the market for another tournament, leading to the classic's demise.
Is that why the same teams suddenly decided to boycott blizzcon that year for the first time, even for people like July who wanted to go and was not busy? The top 3 of the GOM classic season 3 was supposed to go but instead they had to go to all the way to the round of 16 to fill the 3rd spot.
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OMG STX/KESPA/GOM DRAMA KEPT JULYZERG FROM GOING TO BLIZZCON
too bad julyzerg can't goto blizzcon I know how much that boy wanted to go, he was next in line to go, after flash and iris. STX stood by KESPA, hate it when players gets left out because of politics. Blizzard holding hands with GOMTV isn't affecting KESPA at all.
THERE NEEDS TO BE 20 PAGES OF RAGE ABOUT THIS
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On March 30 2012 13:54 Plexa wrote:
So is this a move prompted by being scared of Kespa?
I guess some level of protection is a good thing though I wonder if they will set up rules/agreements not just for teams, but players to follow as well.
If SC2 become a fixture for KeSPA, I hope both leagues share comparable viewerships and neither league trumps the other.
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Thank god for a check to KeSPA's influence.
This is good, I feel.
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On March 31 2012 07:44 wojciech wrote:
Seems like current SC2 teams are really sceared that someday they will have to go to serious work. BW players of course are not good at SC2 at this moment, but it won't be long before they will be as good as current SC2 players. Or much, much better.
The current SC2 teams aren't scared of the the better BW players, they are terrified of the BW teams that have a lot more money than they do and waaaay more leverage and will just swoop in buying the top talent currently in SC2. It's no mystery that the SC2 Koreans think that foreigners are making money hand over fist and money is their primary motivation. Considering they know exactly how much BW players currently make, if they can have the upper hand even for a couple of months and salaried by an actual BW team they'll jump at that chance. Of course it could all depend if the BW teams would strictly want them to remain in Korea or if they can still venture out to foreign events. I do think that is what ultimately will be the difference between Kespa teams and the Esports Federation teams. Their foreign event involvement.
Either way, how this fleshes out is going to be insanely interesting.
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On March 31 2012 08:01 Hrrrrm wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2012 07:44 wojciech wrote:
Seems like current SC2 teams are really sceared that someday they will have to go to serious work. BW players of course are not good at SC2 at this moment, but it won't be long before they will be as good as current SC2 players. Or much, much better. The current SC2 teams aren't scared of the the better BW players, they are terrified of the BW teams that have a lot more money than they do and waaaay more leverage and will just swoop in buying the top talent currently in SC2. It's no mystery that the SC2 Koreans think that foreigners are making money hand over fist and money is their primary motivation. Considering they know exactly how much BW players currently make, if they can have the upper hand even for a couple of months and salaried by an actual BW team they'll jump at that chance. Of course it could all depend if the BW teams would strictly want them to remain in Korea or if they can still venture out to foreign events. I do think that is what ultimately will be the difference between Kespa teams and the Esports Federation teams. Their foreign event involvement. Either way, how this fleshes out is going to be insanely interesting.
if this was possible EG would ahve more Koreans
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On March 31 2012 08:04 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2012 08:01 Hrrrrm wrote:On March 31 2012 07:44 wojciech wrote:
Seems like current SC2 teams are really sceared that someday they will have to go to serious work. BW players of course are not good at SC2 at this moment, but it won't be long before they will be as good as current SC2 players. Or much, much better. The current SC2 teams aren't scared of the the better BW players, they are terrified of the BW teams that have a lot more money than they do and waaaay more leverage and will just swoop in buying the top talent currently in SC2. It's no mystery that the SC2 Koreans think that foreigners are making money hand over fist and money is their primary motivation. Considering they know exactly how much BW players currently make, if they can have the upper hand even for a couple of months and salaried by an actual BW team they'll jump at that chance. Of course it could all depend if the BW teams would strictly want them to remain in Korea or if they can still venture out to foreign events. I do think that is what ultimately will be the difference between Kespa teams and the Esports Federation teams. Their foreign event involvement. Either way, how this fleshes out is going to be insanely interesting. if this was possible EG would ahve more Koreans
EG's best players are Koreans. They've acquired, what, two Koreans in the last 6 months, while letting go of their weaker foreign players? I think they're well on the way to Koreanizing their roster.
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Any chance of foreign teams joining? Getting the powerhouses (Fnatic, EG, SK, Liquid) would do a lot to strengthen the Fed.
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On March 31 2012 08:08 Shiori wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2012 08:04 Forikorder wrote:On March 31 2012 08:01 Hrrrrm wrote:On March 31 2012 07:44 wojciech wrote:
Seems like current SC2 teams are really sceared that someday they will have to go to serious work. BW players of course are not good at SC2 at this moment, but it won't be long before they will be as good as current SC2 players. Or much, much better. The current SC2 teams aren't scared of the the better BW players, they are terrified of the BW teams that have a lot more money than they do and waaaay more leverage and will just swoop in buying the top talent currently in SC2. It's no mystery that the SC2 Koreans think that foreigners are making money hand over fist and money is their primary motivation. Considering they know exactly how much BW players currently make, if they can have the upper hand even for a couple of months and salaried by an actual BW team they'll jump at that chance. Of course it could all depend if the BW teams would strictly want them to remain in Korea or if they can still venture out to foreign events. I do think that is what ultimately will be the difference between Kespa teams and the Esports Federation teams. Their foreign event involvement. Either way, how this fleshes out is going to be insanely interesting. if this was possible EG would ahve more Koreans EG's best players are Koreans. They've acquired, what, two Koreans in the last 6 months, while letting go of their weaker foreign players? I think they're well on the way to Koreanizing their roster.
they picked up one essentialyl teamless korean and slayers let them have one of there koreans
so id say they arent at all moving towards koreanizing there roster at all
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I'm surprised nobody has mentioned G7 yet, well not really, teamliquid is about starcraft not esports but whatever ...
http://www.g7teams.com/page/frontpage/
That's where your foreign teams are. It's dead by the way.
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On March 31 2012 08:44 Marti wrote:I'm surprised nobody has mentioned G7 yet, well not really, teamliquid is about starcraft not esports but whatever ... http://www.g7teams.com/page/frontpage/ That's where your foreign teams are. It's dead by the way.
i dont see how thats relevant
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Sounds like a smart move by them, I'm curious how the foreigner teams will respond. If they join or not.
A storm is brewing with Kespa on the horizon! I see a lot of potential e-Drama to be had, but hopefully most of it can be avoided so the transition works out smoothly.
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For those talking about SC2Con, this is an organization formed with completely different goal in mind. Don't compare the two please. This is good for esports
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Oh silly Kespa and your domineering ways.
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I think this thread need to be brought back to shed some light on people who don't know much about KESPA:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=168895
I can't believe people actually support KESPA... if it were up to me. I would never give them any rights to broadcast SC2 for what they have done to SC2 in it's early stages, they basically tried to kill it off in an attempt to cripple the SC2 scene so the BW scene would strive a bit longer.
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On March 31 2012 09:22 FidoDido wrote:I think this thread need to be brought back to shed some light on people who don't know much about KESPA: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=168895I can't believe people actually support KESPA... if it were up to me. I would never give them any rights to broadcast SC2 for what they have done to SC2 in it's early stages, they basically tried to kill it off in an attempt to cripple the SC2 scene so the BW scene would strive a bit longer.
i knew KeSPA were scumbags but never knew the fulle xtent
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Well when it comes down to it, I'd rather be watching TaekBangLeesSang play SC2 than the current SC2 players. You just know the quality of games will be higher from BW players once they get established. I'm not trying to start a flame war, just stating an opinion.
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On March 30 2012 23:35 Necro)Phagist( wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2012 23:31 Forikorder wrote:
i KesPA tries to be too insular and refuse all foreigners right to participate on the pro-league cant Blizz step up and say "yo, thats no good you have to give foreigners a chance to participate"? once Kespa gets the right to run their tournament, Blizzard will not really have anything they can do. You can't tell them how they can and can't run their tournament. Also, why is it just assumed that Kespa is pure evil and are going to run the foreigners out of town? Back in BW if a foreign player had enough skill/determination he could participate in their games... just no one had enough skill to be past the B-teams.
Agreed. KeSPA never blocked foreigners from their tournament.
If anything, KeSPA is more likely to try to invite foreigners to their league to get a boost in worldwide viewership.
(Edit - I mean now there is a major foreign scene. Back during BW, there was barely any scene outside of Korea at all.)
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