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On March 31 2012 06:23 jidolboy wrote:
I don't think I inveneted a worst case scenario, but realistic ones in my point of view
But you have no evidence for it being realistic, you're just guessing.
And the 15 teams includes the current Sc2 teams. There's obviously going to be some movement at some point, but I really don't think it's likely the KT/SKT just buys DRG, MMA, MVP, Nestea and MKP straight off the bat.
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On March 31 2012 06:26 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2012 06:17 Aemilia wrote:On March 31 2012 06:04 jidolboy wrote:On March 31 2012 05:59 Aemilia wrote:On March 31 2012 05:57 jidolboy wrote:
What power does this "e-Sports Federation" have?
KeSPA was supported from government with rich sponsers
but right now all I see is bunch of low-funded sponsers gathering together to create some organization.
Essentially all the best current Sc2 players and GOM, the company without whom no one can broadcast the game in Korea. You mean SC2 teams? Because the players can leave their team to join other team which might be KeSPA supported Also, OGN will broadcast SC2 sooner or later. I'm pretty sure you do know that too. So I see no power of this organization except to make a couple of game rules but nothing major It's nowhere near that cut and dry, Kespa might have way more than Sc2 teams but they don't necessarily have 30-50k salaries to go throwing at the 30-40 Code S level players. A lot of the players are know contracted too since the Puma incident. And if they do literally just come in and buy everyone out then GOM is well within their right to tell them to fuck off. I really don't see Kespa being so brazen. FXO.Boss's posts suggest that we're going to have a 15 or so team Pro League. You're invented an absolute worst case scenario when there's zero evidence to suggest it's likely, all the evidence suggests that so far Kespa has behaved very reasonably. OGN will broadcast Pro League and OSL's, GOM will broadcast GSL's and GSTL. So far it seems like everyone is going to be playing in everything going along with FXO.Boss. From my understanding Kespa is behaving reasonably because Blizzard legally threw down over them charging for Starcraft broadcasts without a some sort of agreement or contract. That and the fact that Blizzard controls Bnet 2.0 and their ability to play and show SC2. I don't believe Blizzard will let them cut anyone out of the SC2 community, because that is bad for Blizzard as a whole. Still, it is good for the teams to get together and work to make sure no one is getting pushed around.
Which means this might just work out great.
Everyone knows Kespa has a lot of positive to bring to the table (players, money, sponsors, professionalism, fanbase, Flash).
If Blizzard can reign in the negatives then we're all happy. Kespa have showed as well with the LoL league that they're open to foreign fans in 2012 if the audience makes it worthwhile, which obviously it is for Sc2.
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On March 31 2012 06:27 Aemilia wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2012 06:23 jidolboy wrote:
I don't think I inveneted a worst case scenario, but realistic ones in my point of view
But you have no evidence for it being realistic, you're just guessing. And the 15 teams includes the current Sc2 teams. There's obviously going to be some movement at some point, but I really don't think it's likely the KT/SKT just buys DRG, MMA, MVP, Nestea and MKP straight off the bat.
You also don't have evidence if this will happen or not. So stop blaming on lack of evidence.
Even it's unlikely, KT or SKT CAN buy a couple of top players from SC2 if they want to be a top team
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On March 31 2012 06:31 jidolboy wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2012 06:27 Aemilia wrote:On March 31 2012 06:23 jidolboy wrote:
I don't think I inveneted a worst case scenario, but realistic ones in my point of view
But you have no evidence for it being realistic, you're just guessing. And the 15 teams includes the current Sc2 teams. There's obviously going to be some movement at some point, but I really don't think it's likely the KT/SKT just buys DRG, MMA, MVP, Nestea and MKP straight off the bat. You also don't have evidence if this will happen or not. So stop blaming on lack of evidence. Even it's unlikely, KT or SKT CAN buy a couple of top players from SC2. HOWEVER, they probably won't and want to raise current BW players to a SC2 players because it is cheaper to do so
I have the evidence of fxo.boss who states that Kespa are behaving pretty reasonably.
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On March 31 2012 06:32 Aemilia wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2012 06:31 jidolboy wrote:On March 31 2012 06:27 Aemilia wrote:On March 31 2012 06:23 jidolboy wrote:
I don't think I inveneted a worst case scenario, but realistic ones in my point of view
But you have no evidence for it being realistic, you're just guessing. And the 15 teams includes the current Sc2 teams. There's obviously going to be some movement at some point, but I really don't think it's likely the KT/SKT just buys DRG, MMA, MVP, Nestea and MKP straight off the bat. You also don't have evidence if this will happen or not. So stop blaming on lack of evidence. Even it's unlikely, KT or SKT CAN buy a couple of top players from SC2. HOWEVER, they probably won't and want to raise current BW players to a SC2 players because it is cheaper to do so I have the evidence of fxo.boss who states that Kespa are behaving pretty reasonably.
Hi guys,
The point of this association is purely to show that we have done the hard yards as organisations in Korea and abroad to get sc2 to where it is now. It would be improper for an organisation such as Kespa to then say "join us or die".
It also promotes the ability to run 2 leagues in Korea so that the players have more incentive to train hard. If there is no resistance or discussion between the two sides, there will be heavy schedule overlaps between proleague and GSL. It would also mean you would have to pick which side you wanted to be part of.
It 'potentially' would mean an end to foreigners in korea as well. Which none of us want of course.
I hope this helps.
Regards
FXOBoSs
Show me where he said KeSPA won't buy players or stop KeSPA from buying players.
I only see him mentioning there will be 2 sides. e-Sports Federation with GOM or KeSPA with OGN
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On March 31 2012 06:32 Aemilia wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2012 06:31 jidolboy wrote:On March 31 2012 06:27 Aemilia wrote:On March 31 2012 06:23 jidolboy wrote:
I don't think I inveneted a worst case scenario, but realistic ones in my point of view
But you have no evidence for it being realistic, you're just guessing. And the 15 teams includes the current Sc2 teams. There's obviously going to be some movement at some point, but I really don't think it's likely the KT/SKT just buys DRG, MMA, MVP, Nestea and MKP straight off the bat. You also don't have evidence if this will happen or not. So stop blaming on lack of evidence. Even it's unlikely, KT or SKT CAN buy a couple of top players from SC2. HOWEVER, they probably won't and want to raise current BW players to a SC2 players because it is cheaper to do so I have the evidence of fxo.boss who states that Kespa are behaving pretty reasonably.
he didn't state at all what kespa is doing atm.. just what they as the other party is doing atm .
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On March 31 2012 06:37 jidolboy wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2012 06:32 Aemilia wrote:On March 31 2012 06:31 jidolboy wrote:On March 31 2012 06:27 Aemilia wrote:On March 31 2012 06:23 jidolboy wrote:
I don't think I inveneted a worst case scenario, but realistic ones in my point of view
But you have no evidence for it being realistic, you're just guessing. And the 15 teams includes the current Sc2 teams. There's obviously going to be some movement at some point, but I really don't think it's likely the KT/SKT just buys DRG, MMA, MVP, Nestea and MKP straight off the bat. You also don't have evidence if this will happen or not. So stop blaming on lack of evidence. Even it's unlikely, KT or SKT CAN buy a couple of top players from SC2. HOWEVER, they probably won't and want to raise current BW players to a SC2 players because it is cheaper to do so I have the evidence of fxo.boss who states that Kespa are behaving pretty reasonably. Show nested quote +Hi guys,
The point of this association is purely to show that we have done the hard yards as organisations in Korea and abroad to get sc2 to where it is now. It would be improper for an organisation such as Kespa to then say "join us or die".
It also promotes the ability to run 2 leagues in Korea so that the players have more incentive to train hard. If there is no resistance or discussion between the two sides, there will be heavy schedule overlaps between proleague and GSL. It would also mean you would have to pick which side you wanted to be part of.
It 'potentially' would mean an end to foreigners in korea as well. Which none of us want of course.
I hope this helps.
Regards
FXOBoSs Show me where he said KeSPA won't buy players or stop KeSPA from buying players. I only see him mentioning there will be 2 sides. e-Sports Federation with GOM or KeSPA with OGN
i think your underestimating the palyers though, some of them feel really indebted and loyal to there team, i mean for alot of them it must be like a family so i dont think there willing to jump ship so quickly
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On March 31 2012 06:42 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2012 06:37 jidolboy wrote:On March 31 2012 06:32 Aemilia wrote:On March 31 2012 06:31 jidolboy wrote:On March 31 2012 06:27 Aemilia wrote:On March 31 2012 06:23 jidolboy wrote:
I don't think I inveneted a worst case scenario, but realistic ones in my point of view
But you have no evidence for it being realistic, you're just guessing. And the 15 teams includes the current Sc2 teams. There's obviously going to be some movement at some point, but I really don't think it's likely the KT/SKT just buys DRG, MMA, MVP, Nestea and MKP straight off the bat. You also don't have evidence if this will happen or not. So stop blaming on lack of evidence. Even it's unlikely, KT or SKT CAN buy a couple of top players from SC2. HOWEVER, they probably won't and want to raise current BW players to a SC2 players because it is cheaper to do so I have the evidence of fxo.boss who states that Kespa are behaving pretty reasonably. Hi guys,
The point of this association is purely to show that we have done the hard yards as organisations in Korea and abroad to get sc2 to where it is now. It would be improper for an organisation such as Kespa to then say "join us or die".
It also promotes the ability to run 2 leagues in Korea so that the players have more incentive to train hard. If there is no resistance or discussion between the two sides, there will be heavy schedule overlaps between proleague and GSL. It would also mean you would have to pick which side you wanted to be part of.
It 'potentially' would mean an end to foreigners in korea as well. Which none of us want of course.
I hope this helps.
Regards
FXOBoSs Show me where he said KeSPA won't buy players or stop KeSPA from buying players. I only see him mentioning there will be 2 sides. e-Sports Federation with GOM or KeSPA with OGN i think your underestimating the palyers though, some of them feel really indebted and loyal to there team, i mean for alot of them it must be like a family so i dont think there willing to jump ship so quickly
Ah you see. The current top SC2 players were former BW players. Why do you think they switched? It was because of money
. I think MC or someone good even mentioned in a interview that they have become progamers to earn money. The reason they switched was to earn more money.
What makes you think they wont switch if other team offered more salary?
Also, it doesnt have to be quick to jump to other side. They have contract period so they can think about it and make the choice when contract ends
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On March 31 2012 06:42 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2012 06:37 jidolboy wrote:On March 31 2012 06:32 Aemilia wrote:On March 31 2012 06:31 jidolboy wrote:On March 31 2012 06:27 Aemilia wrote:On March 31 2012 06:23 jidolboy wrote:
I don't think I inveneted a worst case scenario, but realistic ones in my point of view
But you have no evidence for it being realistic, you're just guessing. And the 15 teams includes the current Sc2 teams. There's obviously going to be some movement at some point, but I really don't think it's likely the KT/SKT just buys DRG, MMA, MVP, Nestea and MKP straight off the bat. You also don't have evidence if this will happen or not. So stop blaming on lack of evidence. Even it's unlikely, KT or SKT CAN buy a couple of top players from SC2. HOWEVER, they probably won't and want to raise current BW players to a SC2 players because it is cheaper to do so I have the evidence of fxo.boss who states that Kespa are behaving pretty reasonably. Hi guys,
The point of this association is purely to show that we have done the hard yards as organisations in Korea and abroad to get sc2 to where it is now. It would be improper for an organisation such as Kespa to then say "join us or die".
I don't see a problem if Kespa teams would "buy" out the big names.
I mean good for the players. They would be paid better. Whats bad about that.
It also promotes the ability to run 2 leagues in Korea so that the players have more incentive to train hard. If there is no resistance or discussion between the two sides, there will be heavy schedule overlaps between proleague and GSL. It would also mean you would have to pick which side you wanted to be part of.
It 'potentially' would mean an end to foreigners in korea as well. Which none of us want of course.
I hope this helps.
Regards
FXOBoSs Show me where he said KeSPA won't buy players or stop KeSPA from buying players. I only see him mentioning there will be 2 sides. e-Sports Federation with GOM or KeSPA with OGN i think your underestimating the palyers though, some of them feel really indebted and loyal to there team, i mean for alot of them it must be like a family so i dont think there willing to jump ship so quickly
I don't see a problem if Kespa teams would "buy" out the big names.
I mean good for the players. They would be paid better. Whats bad about that.
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On March 31 2012 06:52 Uracil wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2012 06:42 Forikorder wrote:On March 31 2012 06:37 jidolboy wrote:On March 31 2012 06:32 Aemilia wrote:On March 31 2012 06:31 jidolboy wrote:On March 31 2012 06:27 Aemilia wrote:On March 31 2012 06:23 jidolboy wrote:
I don't think I inveneted a worst case scenario, but realistic ones in my point of view
But you have no evidence for it being realistic, you're just guessing. And the 15 teams includes the current Sc2 teams. There's obviously going to be some movement at some point, but I really don't think it's likely the KT/SKT just buys DRG, MMA, MVP, Nestea and MKP straight off the bat. You also don't have evidence if this will happen or not. So stop blaming on lack of evidence. Even it's unlikely, KT or SKT CAN buy a couple of top players from SC2. HOWEVER, they probably won't and want to raise current BW players to a SC2 players because it is cheaper to do so I have the evidence of fxo.boss who states that Kespa are behaving pretty reasonably. Hi guys,
The point of this association is purely to show that we have done the hard yards as organisations in Korea and abroad to get sc2 to where it is now. It would be improper for an organisation such as Kespa to then say "join us or die".
I don't see a problem if Kespa teams would "buy" out the big names.
I mean good for the players. They would be paid better. Whats bad about that.
It also promotes the ability to run 2 leagues in Korea so that the players have more incentive to train hard. If there is no resistance or discussion between the two sides, there will be heavy schedule overlaps between proleague and GSL. It would also mean you would have to pick which side you wanted to be part of.
It 'potentially' would mean an end to foreigners in korea as well. Which none of us want of course.
I hope this helps.
Regards
FXOBoSs Show me where he said KeSPA won't buy players or stop KeSPA from buying players. I only see him mentioning there will be 2 sides. e-Sports Federation with GOM or KeSPA with OGN i think your underestimating the palyers though, some of them feel really indebted and loyal to there team, i mean for alot of them it must be like a family so i dont think there willing to jump ship so quickly I don't see a problem if Kespa teams would "buy" out the big names. I mean good for the players. They would be paid better. Whats bad about that.
they might restrict the league to only there teams and completely stifle starcraft as much as they can
essentially the koreans not in KeSPAs teams would also be foreigners
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On March 31 2012 06:52 Uracil wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2012 06:42 Forikorder wrote:On March 31 2012 06:37 jidolboy wrote:On March 31 2012 06:32 Aemilia wrote:On March 31 2012 06:31 jidolboy wrote:On March 31 2012 06:27 Aemilia wrote:On March 31 2012 06:23 jidolboy wrote:
I don't think I inveneted a worst case scenario, but realistic ones in my point of view
But you have no evidence for it being realistic, you're just guessing. And the 15 teams includes the current Sc2 teams. There's obviously going to be some movement at some point, but I really don't think it's likely the KT/SKT just buys DRG, MMA, MVP, Nestea and MKP straight off the bat. You also don't have evidence if this will happen or not. So stop blaming on lack of evidence. Even it's unlikely, KT or SKT CAN buy a couple of top players from SC2. HOWEVER, they probably won't and want to raise current BW players to a SC2 players because it is cheaper to do so I have the evidence of fxo.boss who states that Kespa are behaving pretty reasonably. Hi guys,
The point of this association is purely to show that we have done the hard yards as organisations in Korea and abroad to get sc2 to where it is now. It would be improper for an organisation such as Kespa to then say "join us or die".
I don't see a problem if Kespa teams would "buy" out the big names.
I mean good for the players. They would be paid better. Whats bad about that.
It also promotes the ability to run 2 leagues in Korea so that the players have more incentive to train hard. If there is no resistance or discussion between the two sides, there will be heavy schedule overlaps between proleague and GSL. It would also mean you would have to pick which side you wanted to be part of.
It 'potentially' would mean an end to foreigners in korea as well. Which none of us want of course.
I hope this helps.
Regards
FXOBoSs Show me where he said KeSPA won't buy players or stop KeSPA from buying players. I only see him mentioning there will be 2 sides. e-Sports Federation with GOM or KeSPA with OGN i think your underestimating the palyers though, some of them feel really indebted and loyal to there team, i mean for alot of them it must be like a family so i dont think there willing to jump ship so quickly I don't see a problem if Kespa teams would "buy" out the big names. I mean good for the players. They would be paid better. Whats bad about that.
Unless I'm misunderstanding, the 'problem' is that Kespa has a history of not giving a shit about foreign players or fans. Although it may be for the best of the korean players, it is not for the best for just about everything else.
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On March 31 2012 06:58 MCXD wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2012 06:52 Uracil wrote:On March 31 2012 06:42 Forikorder wrote:On March 31 2012 06:37 jidolboy wrote:On March 31 2012 06:32 Aemilia wrote:On March 31 2012 06:31 jidolboy wrote:On March 31 2012 06:27 Aemilia wrote:On March 31 2012 06:23 jidolboy wrote:
I don't think I inveneted a worst case scenario, but realistic ones in my point of view
But you have no evidence for it being realistic, you're just guessing. And the 15 teams includes the current Sc2 teams. There's obviously going to be some movement at some point, but I really don't think it's likely the KT/SKT just buys DRG, MMA, MVP, Nestea and MKP straight off the bat. You also don't have evidence if this will happen or not. So stop blaming on lack of evidence. Even it's unlikely, KT or SKT CAN buy a couple of top players from SC2. HOWEVER, they probably won't and want to raise current BW players to a SC2 players because it is cheaper to do so I have the evidence of fxo.boss who states that Kespa are behaving pretty reasonably. Hi guys,
The point of this association is purely to show that we have done the hard yards as organisations in Korea and abroad to get sc2 to where it is now. It would be improper for an organisation such as Kespa to then say "join us or die".
I don't see a problem if Kespa teams would "buy" out the big names.
I mean good for the players. They would be paid better. Whats bad about that.
It also promotes the ability to run 2 leagues in Korea so that the players have more incentive to train hard. If there is no resistance or discussion between the two sides, there will be heavy schedule overlaps between proleague and GSL. It would also mean you would have to pick which side you wanted to be part of.
It 'potentially' would mean an end to foreigners in korea as well. Which none of us want of course.
I hope this helps.
Regards
FXOBoSs Show me where he said KeSPA won't buy players or stop KeSPA from buying players. I only see him mentioning there will be 2 sides. e-Sports Federation with GOM or KeSPA with OGN i think your underestimating the palyers though, some of them feel really indebted and loyal to there team, i mean for alot of them it must be like a family so i dont think there willing to jump ship so quickly I don't see a problem if Kespa teams would "buy" out the big names. I mean good for the players. They would be paid better. Whats bad about that. Unless I'm misunderstanding, the 'problem' is that Kespa has a history of not giving a shit about foreign players or fans. Although it may be for the best of the korean players, it is not for the best for just about everything else.
There was no foreign players or foreign scene to even attract for BW. So you cant blame them for not caring about foreign scene.
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Ultimately, its up to Blizzard how this plays out. Blizzard makes a percentage amount money off GSL, MLG, Dreamhack, IPL... everything that broadcasts SC2. And as we all know, there is more money in the western scene. If Blizzard doesn't find KeSPA able to produce a large enough profit directly to Blizzard, or enough interest to move copies of SC2 or Heart of the Swarm, they pull their IP rights from KeSPA. Unlike the previous 15 years of BW only being in Korea, SC2 is a much larger, much more profitable beast to Blizzard and if KeSPA doesn't provide what Blizzard have come to expect from current broadcasters (exposure and money.) Blizzard just pulls the plug.
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On March 31 2012 06:58 MCXD wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2012 06:52 Uracil wrote:On March 31 2012 06:42 Forikorder wrote:On March 31 2012 06:37 jidolboy wrote:On March 31 2012 06:32 Aemilia wrote:On March 31 2012 06:31 jidolboy wrote:On March 31 2012 06:27 Aemilia wrote:On March 31 2012 06:23 jidolboy wrote:
I don't think I inveneted a worst case scenario, but realistic ones in my point of view
But you have no evidence for it being realistic, you're just guessing. And the 15 teams includes the current Sc2 teams. There's obviously going to be some movement at some point, but I really don't think it's likely the KT/SKT just buys DRG, MMA, MVP, Nestea and MKP straight off the bat. You also don't have evidence if this will happen or not. So stop blaming on lack of evidence. Even it's unlikely, KT or SKT CAN buy a couple of top players from SC2. HOWEVER, they probably won't and want to raise current BW players to a SC2 players because it is cheaper to do so I have the evidence of fxo.boss who states that Kespa are behaving pretty reasonably. Hi guys,
The point of this association is purely to show that we have done the hard yards as organisations in Korea and abroad to get sc2 to where it is now. It would be improper for an organisation such as Kespa to then say "join us or die".
I don't see a problem if Kespa teams would "buy" out the big names.
I mean good for the players. They would be paid better. Whats bad about that.
It also promotes the ability to run 2 leagues in Korea so that the players have more incentive to train hard. If there is no resistance or discussion between the two sides, there will be heavy schedule overlaps between proleague and GSL. It would also mean you would have to pick which side you wanted to be part of.
It 'potentially' would mean an end to foreigners in korea as well. Which none of us want of course.
I hope this helps.
Regards
FXOBoSs Show me where he said KeSPA won't buy players or stop KeSPA from buying players. I only see him mentioning there will be 2 sides. e-Sports Federation with GOM or KeSPA with OGN i think your underestimating the palyers though, some of them feel really indebted and loyal to there team, i mean for alot of them it must be like a family so i dont think there willing to jump ship so quickly I don't see a problem if Kespa teams would "buy" out the big names. I mean good for the players. They would be paid better. Whats bad about that. Unless I'm misunderstanding, the 'problem' is that Kespa has a history of not giving a shit about foreign players or fans. Although it may be for the best of the korean players, it is not for the best for just about everything else.
And we all know KeSPA should give a fuck about the small BW foreigner scene hm?.
if there is nothing 2 care about its hard for KeSPA 2 care about foreigners. but imo they should give some random BW scrub invite into top 16 OSL. ))))
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On March 31 2012 06:42 Forikorder wrote:
i think your underestimating the palyers though, some of them feel really indebted and loyal to there team, i mean for alot of them it must be like a family so i dont think there willing to jump ship so quickly
KESPA players have a salary, paid vacations, they even take care of Violet Cancer treatment, They paid Flash surgery and recovery. they even get paid vacations to another country for the whole team. sc2 players are gonna jump ship in less than a second given the opportunity.
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On March 31 2012 06:58 MCXD wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2012 06:52 Uracil wrote:On March 31 2012 06:42 Forikorder wrote:On March 31 2012 06:37 jidolboy wrote:On March 31 2012 06:32 Aemilia wrote:On March 31 2012 06:31 jidolboy wrote:On March 31 2012 06:27 Aemilia wrote:On March 31 2012 06:23 jidolboy wrote:
I don't think I inveneted a worst case scenario, but realistic ones in my point of view
But you have no evidence for it being realistic, you're just guessing. And the 15 teams includes the current Sc2 teams. There's obviously going to be some movement at some point, but I really don't think it's likely the KT/SKT just buys DRG, MMA, MVP, Nestea and MKP straight off the bat. You also don't have evidence if this will happen or not. So stop blaming on lack of evidence. Even it's unlikely, KT or SKT CAN buy a couple of top players from SC2. HOWEVER, they probably won't and want to raise current BW players to a SC2 players because it is cheaper to do so I have the evidence of fxo.boss who states that Kespa are behaving pretty reasonably. Hi guys,
The point of this association is purely to show that we have done the hard yards as organisations in Korea and abroad to get sc2 to where it is now. It would be improper for an organisation such as Kespa to then say "join us or die".
I don't see a problem if Kespa teams would "buy" out the big names.
I mean good for the players. They would be paid better. Whats bad about that.
It also promotes the ability to run 2 leagues in Korea so that the players have more incentive to train hard. If there is no resistance or discussion between the two sides, there will be heavy schedule overlaps between proleague and GSL. It would also mean you would have to pick which side you wanted to be part of.
It 'potentially' would mean an end to foreigners in korea as well. Which none of us want of course.
I hope this helps.
Regards
FXOBoSs Show me where he said KeSPA won't buy players or stop KeSPA from buying players. I only see him mentioning there will be 2 sides. e-Sports Federation with GOM or KeSPA with OGN i think your underestimating the palyers though, some of them feel really indebted and loyal to there team, i mean for alot of them it must be like a family so i dont think there willing to jump ship so quickly I don't see a problem if Kespa teams would "buy" out the big names. I mean good for the players. They would be paid better. Whats bad about that. Unless I'm misunderstanding, the 'problem' is that Kespa has a history of not giving a shit about foreign players or fans. Although it may be for the best of the korean players, it is not for the best for just about everything else.
Back in BW there was hardly any people though, back in the day the OSL restreams on TL would be hitting 1k viewers... nowadays shitty little daily tournaments attract twice that amount.
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On March 31 2012 07:24 NexUmbra wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2012 06:58 MCXD wrote:On March 31 2012 06:52 Uracil wrote:On March 31 2012 06:42 Forikorder wrote:On March 31 2012 06:37 jidolboy wrote:On March 31 2012 06:32 Aemilia wrote:On March 31 2012 06:31 jidolboy wrote:On March 31 2012 06:27 Aemilia wrote:On March 31 2012 06:23 jidolboy wrote:
I don't think I inveneted a worst case scenario, but realistic ones in my point of view
But you have no evidence for it being realistic, you're just guessing. And the 15 teams includes the current Sc2 teams. There's obviously going to be some movement at some point, but I really don't think it's likely the KT/SKT just buys DRG, MMA, MVP, Nestea and MKP straight off the bat. You also don't have evidence if this will happen or not. So stop blaming on lack of evidence. Even it's unlikely, KT or SKT CAN buy a couple of top players from SC2. HOWEVER, they probably won't and want to raise current BW players to a SC2 players because it is cheaper to do so I have the evidence of fxo.boss who states that Kespa are behaving pretty reasonably. Hi guys,
The point of this association is purely to show that we have done the hard yards as organisations in Korea and abroad to get sc2 to where it is now. It would be improper for an organisation such as Kespa to then say "join us or die".
I don't see a problem if Kespa teams would "buy" out the big names.
I mean good for the players. They would be paid better. Whats bad about that.
It also promotes the ability to run 2 leagues in Korea so that the players have more incentive to train hard. If there is no resistance or discussion between the two sides, there will be heavy schedule overlaps between proleague and GSL. It would also mean you would have to pick which side you wanted to be part of.
It 'potentially' would mean an end to foreigners in korea as well. Which none of us want of course.
I hope this helps.
Regards
FXOBoSs Show me where he said KeSPA won't buy players or stop KeSPA from buying players. I only see him mentioning there will be 2 sides. e-Sports Federation with GOM or KeSPA with OGN i think your underestimating the palyers though, some of them feel really indebted and loyal to there team, i mean for alot of them it must be like a family so i dont think there willing to jump ship so quickly I don't see a problem if Kespa teams would "buy" out the big names. I mean good for the players. They would be paid better. Whats bad about that. Unless I'm misunderstanding, the 'problem' is that Kespa has a history of not giving a shit about foreign players or fans. Although it may be for the best of the korean players, it is not for the best for just about everything else. Back in BW there was hardly any people though, back in the day the OSL restreams on TL would be hitting 1k viewers... nowadays shitty little daily tournaments attract twice that amount.
theyll probably reach out to foreign fans, but people are also pretty worried about them not reaching out to foreign players as well
IdrA HuK and Jinro already demonstrated that its possible for foreigners to compete in any Korean event and numerous foreigners have shown that there on the same level as many top koreans
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On March 31 2012 07:29 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2012 07:24 NexUmbra wrote:On March 31 2012 06:58 MCXD wrote:On March 31 2012 06:52 Uracil wrote:On March 31 2012 06:42 Forikorder wrote:On March 31 2012 06:37 jidolboy wrote:On March 31 2012 06:32 Aemilia wrote:On March 31 2012 06:31 jidolboy wrote:On March 31 2012 06:27 Aemilia wrote:On March 31 2012 06:23 jidolboy wrote:
I don't think I inveneted a worst case scenario, but realistic ones in my point of view
But you have no evidence for it being realistic, you're just guessing. And the 15 teams includes the current Sc2 teams. There's obviously going to be some movement at some point, but I really don't think it's likely the KT/SKT just buys DRG, MMA, MVP, Nestea and MKP straight off the bat. You also don't have evidence if this will happen or not. So stop blaming on lack of evidence. Even it's unlikely, KT or SKT CAN buy a couple of top players from SC2. HOWEVER, they probably won't and want to raise current BW players to a SC2 players because it is cheaper to do so I have the evidence of fxo.boss who states that Kespa are behaving pretty reasonably. Hi guys,
The point of this association is purely to show that we have done the hard yards as organisations in Korea and abroad to get sc2 to where it is now. It would be improper for an organisation such as Kespa to then say "join us or die".
I don't see a problem if Kespa teams would "buy" out the big names.
I mean good for the players. They would be paid better. Whats bad about that.
It also promotes the ability to run 2 leagues in Korea so that the players have more incentive to train hard. If there is no resistance or discussion between the two sides, there will be heavy schedule overlaps between proleague and GSL. It would also mean you would have to pick which side you wanted to be part of.
It 'potentially' would mean an end to foreigners in korea as well. Which none of us want of course.
I hope this helps.
Regards
FXOBoSs Show me where he said KeSPA won't buy players or stop KeSPA from buying players. I only see him mentioning there will be 2 sides. e-Sports Federation with GOM or KeSPA with OGN i think your underestimating the palyers though, some of them feel really indebted and loyal to there team, i mean for alot of them it must be like a family so i dont think there willing to jump ship so quickly I don't see a problem if Kespa teams would "buy" out the big names. I mean good for the players. They would be paid better. Whats bad about that. Unless I'm misunderstanding, the 'problem' is that Kespa has a history of not giving a shit about foreign players or fans. Although it may be for the best of the korean players, it is not for the best for just about everything else. Back in BW there was hardly any people though, back in the day the OSL restreams on TL would be hitting 1k viewers... nowadays shitty little daily tournaments attract twice that amount. theyll probably reach out to foreign fans, but people are also pretty worried about them not reaching out to foreign players as well IdrA HuK and Jinro already demonstrated that its possible for foreigners to compete in any Korean event and numerous foreigners have shown that there on the same level as many top koreans
I dont think we need to worry about that. I am pretty sure Blizz will do something regarding to that. Also, KeSPA probably knows SC2 is popular in foreign world. So they can hire English commentators and such if they want.
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On March 31 2012 07:29 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2012 07:24 NexUmbra wrote:On March 31 2012 06:58 MCXD wrote:On March 31 2012 06:52 Uracil wrote:On March 31 2012 06:42 Forikorder wrote:On March 31 2012 06:37 jidolboy wrote:On March 31 2012 06:32 Aemilia wrote:On March 31 2012 06:31 jidolboy wrote:On March 31 2012 06:27 Aemilia wrote:On March 31 2012 06:23 jidolboy wrote:
I don't think I inveneted a worst case scenario, but realistic ones in my point of view
But you have no evidence for it being realistic, you're just guessing. And the 15 teams includes the current Sc2 teams. There's obviously going to be some movement at some point, but I really don't think it's likely the KT/SKT just buys DRG, MMA, MVP, Nestea and MKP straight off the bat. You also don't have evidence if this will happen or not. So stop blaming on lack of evidence. Even it's unlikely, KT or SKT CAN buy a couple of top players from SC2. HOWEVER, they probably won't and want to raise current BW players to a SC2 players because it is cheaper to do so I have the evidence of fxo.boss who states that Kespa are behaving pretty reasonably. Hi guys,
The point of this association is purely to show that we have done the hard yards as organisations in Korea and abroad to get sc2 to where it is now. It would be improper for an organisation such as Kespa to then say "join us or die".
I don't see a problem if Kespa teams would "buy" out the big names.
I mean good for the players. They would be paid better. Whats bad about that.
It also promotes the ability to run 2 leagues in Korea so that the players have more incentive to train hard. If there is no resistance or discussion between the two sides, there will be heavy schedule overlaps between proleague and GSL. It would also mean you would have to pick which side you wanted to be part of.
It 'potentially' would mean an end to foreigners in korea as well. Which none of us want of course.
I hope this helps.
Regards
FXOBoSs Show me where he said KeSPA won't buy players or stop KeSPA from buying players. I only see him mentioning there will be 2 sides. e-Sports Federation with GOM or KeSPA with OGN i think your underestimating the palyers though, some of them feel really indebted and loyal to there team, i mean for alot of them it must be like a family so i dont think there willing to jump ship so quickly I don't see a problem if Kespa teams would "buy" out the big names. I mean good for the players. They would be paid better. Whats bad about that. Unless I'm misunderstanding, the 'problem' is that Kespa has a history of not giving a shit about foreign players or fans. Although it may be for the best of the korean players, it is not for the best for just about everything else. Back in BW there was hardly any people though, back in the day the OSL restreams on TL would be hitting 1k viewers... nowadays shitty little daily tournaments attract twice that amount. theyll probably reach out to foreign fans, but people are also pretty worried about them not reaching out to foreign players as well IdrA HuK and Jinro already demonstrated that its possible for foreigners to compete in any Korean event and numerous foreigners have shown that there on the same level as many top koreans
Well this is a really stupid post because foreigners have went and participated in Courage which is a Code B like tournament that gives you a progamer license)
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On March 31 2012 07:32 NexUmbra wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2012 07:29 Forikorder wrote:On March 31 2012 07:24 NexUmbra wrote:On March 31 2012 06:58 MCXD wrote:On March 31 2012 06:52 Uracil wrote:On March 31 2012 06:42 Forikorder wrote:On March 31 2012 06:37 jidolboy wrote:On March 31 2012 06:32 Aemilia wrote:On March 31 2012 06:31 jidolboy wrote:On March 31 2012 06:27 Aemilia wrote:
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But you have no evidence for it being realistic, you're just guessing.
And the 15 teams includes the current Sc2 teams. There's obviously going to be some movement at some point, but I really don't think it's likely the KT/SKT just buys DRG, MMA, MVP, Nestea and MKP straight off the bat. You also don't have evidence if this will happen or not. So stop blaming on lack of evidence. Even it's unlikely, KT or SKT CAN buy a couple of top players from SC2. HOWEVER, they probably won't and want to raise current BW players to a SC2 players because it is cheaper to do so I have the evidence of fxo.boss who states that Kespa are behaving pretty reasonably. Hi guys,
The point of this association is purely to show that we have done the hard yards as organisations in Korea and abroad to get sc2 to where it is now. It would be improper for an organisation such as Kespa to then say "join us or die".
I don't see a problem if Kespa teams would "buy" out the big names.
I mean good for the players. They would be paid better. Whats bad about that.
It also promotes the ability to run 2 leagues in Korea so that the players have more incentive to train hard. If there is no resistance or discussion between the two sides, there will be heavy schedule overlaps between proleague and GSL. It would also mean you would have to pick which side you wanted to be part of.
It 'potentially' would mean an end to foreigners in korea as well. Which none of us want of course.
I hope this helps.
Regards
FXOBoSs Show me where he said KeSPA won't buy players or stop KeSPA from buying players. I only see him mentioning there will be 2 sides. e-Sports Federation with GOM or KeSPA with OGN i think your underestimating the palyers though, some of them feel really indebted and loyal to there team, i mean for alot of them it must be like a family so i dont think there willing to jump ship so quickly I don't see a problem if Kespa teams would "buy" out the big names. I mean good for the players. They would be paid better. Whats bad about that. Unless I'm misunderstanding, the 'problem' is that Kespa has a history of not giving a shit about foreign players or fans. Although it may be for the best of the korean players, it is not for the best for just about everything else. Back in BW there was hardly any people though, back in the day the OSL restreams on TL would be hitting 1k viewers... nowadays shitty little daily tournaments attract twice that amount. theyll probably reach out to foreign fans, but people are also pretty worried about them not reaching out to foreign players as well IdrA HuK and Jinro already demonstrated that its possible for foreigners to compete in any Korean event and numerous foreigners have shown that there on the same level as many top koreans Well this is a really stupid post because foreigners have went and participated in Courage which is a Code B like tournament that gives you a progamer license)
only the ones part of a korean team
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