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On March 31 2012 03:02 floor exercise wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2012 02:51 JiPrime wrote:On March 30 2012 17:57 Plexa wrote:
[*]KeSPA did not stop teams from competing in gomtv classic. They didn't officially recognise it, however, the teams that boycotted GSL had a reason for doing so. OGN/MBC were broadcast stations, eSTRO was sponsored by IEG and SKT held the presidents chair at KeSPA. Teams were simply overworked by this point and there wasn't room in the market for another tournament, leading to the classic's demise. Actually KeSPA stopped teams from competing in gomtv classic because Gretech refused to pay the bullshit league license fee to KeSPA, which KeSPA has no right to charge for it in the first place. Gretech was the only company that actually asked Blizzard before they started the classics, and when GOMTV classic was shut down, this prompted to Blizzard to step in, leading to the whole KeSPA vs Blizzard. There's still no proof of this. On the Kespa board sits a member of every pro team. At no point did every pro team refuse to compete in any of Gom's BW ventures. Every GOM classic had Kespa players in it. At times teams chose not to allow their players to participate, or the players chose to do so on their own, because they had 2 other leagues and proleague to practice and compete in. Blizzard didn't step in to save anyone from Kespa, they did it in their own interests.
In these eSports grounds, rumors tend to be mostly true here.
Most korean eSports community know this is true.
Teams have actually no say on any matter, it's all in tight control of KeSPA.
You foreigners have no idea how things work in Korea.
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I just realized that without LAN support for SC2, KeSPA will need permission from Blizz to run SC2 Proleague (or individual leagues) ... KeSPA has almost no power, in a sense. They have a lot of money, sure, but I feel like Blizz/GOM will be able to negotiate/control the situation such that GSL/OSL become the new MSL/OSL.
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On March 31 2012 01:22 dekibeki wrote:
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-Jaedong is hotter then Tossgirl
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This is just not true.
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Slayers don't need to part of it because Boxer is the emperor, he runs E-Sport empire.
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On March 31 2012 03:17 jtp118 wrote:
I just realized that without LAN support for SC2, KeSPA will need permission from Blizz to run SC2 Proleague (or individual leagues) ... KeSPA has almost no power, in a sense. They have a lot of money, sure, but I feel like Blizz/GOM will be able to negotiate/control the situation such that GSL/OSL become the new MSL/OSL.
Yeah, but KESPA doesnt like to get threatened, they like things their own way, they could say "oh so you wanna block sc2 to us if we dont agree to your conditions?, well fuck sc1 and sc2 i will just go all the way with LoL it has bigger audience anyway."
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On March 31 2012 03:23 MildSeven wrote:
Slayers don't need to part of it because Boxer is the emperor, he runs E-Sport empire.
Seriously, whichever organization gets BoxeR's support will legitimize its existence.
But KeSPA has no chance of getting BoxeR's support, that's for sure.
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On March 31 2012 03:28 JiPrime wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2012 03:23 MildSeven wrote:
Slayers don't need to part of it because Boxer is the emperor, he runs E-Sport empire. Seriously, whichever organization gets BoxeR's support will legitimize its existence. But KeSPA has no chance of getting BoxeR's support, that's for sure.
Why is that? I'm not familiar with their history. It looked to me like Slayers not choosing this side during this very decisive time was a signal that he would go for Kespa.
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In these eSports grounds, rumors tend to be mostly true here.
Most korean eSports community know this is true.
Teams have actually no say on any matter, it's all in tight control of KeSPA.
You foreigners have no idea how things work in Korea
Feel free to enlighten me ^^
So.. who is the good guy then and who is the evil one ?
Right now it looks to me that the Federation = good and Kespa = evil
But who am i to try to judge about that with my small basic knowledge about the sc2 scene.
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On March 31 2012 03:31 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2012 03:28 JiPrime wrote:On March 31 2012 03:23 MildSeven wrote:
Slayers don't need to part of it because Boxer is the emperor, he runs E-Sport empire. Seriously, whichever organization gets BoxeR's support will legitimize its existence. But KeSPA has no chance of getting BoxeR's support, that's for sure. Why is that? I'm not familiar with their history. It looked to me like Slayers not choosing this side during this very decisive time was a signal that he would go for Kespa.
Because KeSPA-affiliated eSports media labeled BoxeR a "traitor" and a "prize hunter" when he switched to SC2.
On March 31 2012 03:31 Ein0r wrote:Show nested quote +In these eSports grounds, rumors tend to be mostly true here.
Most korean eSports community know this is true.
Teams have actually no say on any matter, it's all in tight control of KeSPA.
You foreigners have no idea how things work in Korea Feel free to enlighten me ^^ So.. who is the good guy then and who is the evil one ? Right now it looks to me that the Federation = good and Kespa = evil But who am i to try to judge about that with my small basic knowledge about the sc2 scene.
You got Kespa = evil part right, but Federation = good? We'll have to see.
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No team SlayerS involvement. Interesting...
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On March 31 2012 03:38 JiPrime wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2012 03:31 Mohdoo wrote:On March 31 2012 03:28 JiPrime wrote:On March 31 2012 03:23 MildSeven wrote:
Slayers don't need to part of it because Boxer is the emperor, he runs E-Sport empire. Seriously, whichever organization gets BoxeR's support will legitimize its existence. But KeSPA has no chance of getting BoxeR's support, that's for sure. Why is that? I'm not familiar with their history. It looked to me like Slayers not choosing this side during this very decisive time was a signal that he would go for Kespa. Because KeSPA-affiliated eSports media labeled BoxeR a "traitor" and a "prize hunter" when he switched to SC2. Show nested quote +On March 31 2012 03:31 Ein0r wrote:In these eSports grounds, rumors tend to be mostly true here.
Most korean eSports community know this is true.
Teams have actually no say on any matter, it's all in tight control of KeSPA.
You foreigners have no idea how things work in Korea Feel free to enlighten me ^^ So.. who is the good guy then and who is the evil one ? Right now it looks to me that the Federation = good and Kespa = evil But who am i to try to judge about that with my small basic knowledge about the sc2 scene. You got Kespa = evil part right, but Federation = good? We'll have to see.
DES != KeSPA. KeSPA actually directly contradicted DES lately. DES is as affiliated with KeSPA as Fomos is affiliated with KeSPA.
KeSPA isn't evil they're just incompetent.
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wow the teams must feel extreamly threatened by kespa at this point since first closing down the con and then starting a new one..
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On March 31 2012 03:47 Milkis wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2012 03:38 JiPrime wrote:On March 31 2012 03:31 Mohdoo wrote:On March 31 2012 03:28 JiPrime wrote:On March 31 2012 03:23 MildSeven wrote:
Slayers don't need to part of it because Boxer is the emperor, he runs E-Sport empire. Seriously, whichever organization gets BoxeR's support will legitimize its existence. But KeSPA has no chance of getting BoxeR's support, that's for sure. Why is that? I'm not familiar with their history. It looked to me like Slayers not choosing this side during this very decisive time was a signal that he would go for Kespa. Because KeSPA-affiliated eSports media labeled BoxeR a "traitor" and a "prize hunter" when he switched to SC2. On March 31 2012 03:31 Ein0r wrote:In these eSports grounds, rumors tend to be mostly true here.
Most korean eSports community know this is true.
Teams have actually no say on any matter, it's all in tight control of KeSPA.
You foreigners have no idea how things work in Korea Feel free to enlighten me ^^ So.. who is the good guy then and who is the evil one ? Right now it looks to me that the Federation = good and Kespa = evil But who am i to try to judge about that with my small basic knowledge about the sc2 scene. You got Kespa = evil part right, but Federation = good? We'll have to see. DES != KeSPA. KeSPA actually directly contradicted DES lately. DES is as affiliated with KeSPA as Fomos is affiliated with KeSPA. KeSPA isn't evil they're just incompetent.
I really like the word Thugish. It sounds like the most appropriate discription of how they have worked in the past. Not evil. Just a short sighted bully.
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On March 31 2012 03:27 insanet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2012 03:17 jtp118 wrote:
I just realized that without LAN support for SC2, KeSPA will need permission from Blizz to run SC2 Proleague (or individual leagues) ... KeSPA has almost no power, in a sense. They have a lot of money, sure, but I feel like Blizz/GOM will be able to negotiate/control the situation such that GSL/OSL become the new MSL/OSL. Yeah, but KESPA doesnt like to get threatened, they like things their own way, they could say "oh so you wanna block sc2 to us, well fuck sc1 and sc2 i will just go all the way with LoL it has bigger audience anyway."
You are completely right insanet, Kespa is trying to preserve a RTS title in its portfolio, they are having problems getting sponsors for BW but it is still far far bigger tha SC2 in Korea, if Blizzard make tough conditions they just could say, you know what, we are going to stick to LoL and other game genres that are more popular in korea than its Franchise.
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On March 31 2012 03:07 JiPrime wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2012 03:02 floor exercise wrote:On March 31 2012 02:51 JiPrime wrote:On March 30 2012 17:57 Plexa wrote:
[*]KeSPA did not stop teams from competing in gomtv classic. They didn't officially recognise it, however, the teams that boycotted GSL had a reason for doing so. OGN/MBC were broadcast stations, eSTRO was sponsored by IEG and SKT held the presidents chair at KeSPA. Teams were simply overworked by this point and there wasn't room in the market for another tournament, leading to the classic's demise. Actually KeSPA stopped teams from competing in gomtv classic because Gretech refused to pay the bullshit league license fee to KeSPA, which KeSPA has no right to charge for it in the first place. Gretech was the only company that actually asked Blizzard before they started the classics, and when GOMTV classic was shut down, this prompted to Blizzard to step in, leading to the whole KeSPA vs Blizzard. There's still no proof of this. On the Kespa board sits a member of every pro team. At no point did every pro team refuse to compete in any of Gom's BW ventures. Every GOM classic had Kespa players in it. At times teams chose not to allow their players to participate, or the players chose to do so on their own, because they had 2 other leagues and proleague to practice and compete in. Blizzard didn't step in to save anyone from Kespa, they did it in their own interests. In these eSports grounds, rumors tend to be mostly true here. Most korean eSports community know this is true. Teams have actually no say on any matter, it's all in tight control of KeSPA. You foreigners have no idea how things work in Korea.
Plexa and floor exercise follow the scene unlike you, who I have no recollection.
KeSPA are the team and sponsors for f sake.
On March 31 2012 03:31 Ein0r wrote:Show nested quote +In these eSports grounds, rumors tend to be mostly true here.
Most korean eSports community know this is true.
Teams have actually no say on any matter, it's all in tight control of KeSPA.
You foreigners have no idea how things work in Korea Feel free to enlighten me ^^ So.. who is the good guy then and who is the evil one ? Right now it looks to me that the Federation = good and Kespa = evil But who am i to try to judge about that with my small basic knowledge about the sc2 scene.
how about adding bw to that list too? We cannot judge this new association yet lmao and KeSPA isn't as evil as many people try to make it out to be.
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On March 31 2012 03:47 Milkis wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2012 03:38 JiPrime wrote:On March 31 2012 03:31 Mohdoo wrote:On March 31 2012 03:28 JiPrime wrote:On March 31 2012 03:23 MildSeven wrote:
Slayers don't need to part of it because Boxer is the emperor, he runs E-Sport empire. Seriously, whichever organization gets BoxeR's support will legitimize its existence. But KeSPA has no chance of getting BoxeR's support, that's for sure. Why is that? I'm not familiar with their history. It looked to me like Slayers not choosing this side during this very decisive time was a signal that he would go for Kespa. Because KeSPA-affiliated eSports media labeled BoxeR a "traitor" and a "prize hunter" when he switched to SC2. On March 31 2012 03:31 Ein0r wrote:In these eSports grounds, rumors tend to be mostly true here.
Most korean eSports community know this is true.
Teams have actually no say on any matter, it's all in tight control of KeSPA.
You foreigners have no idea how things work in Korea Feel free to enlighten me ^^ So.. who is the good guy then and who is the evil one ? Right now it looks to me that the Federation = good and Kespa = evil But who am i to try to judge about that with my small basic knowledge about the sc2 scene. You got Kespa = evil part right, but Federation = good? We'll have to see. DES != KeSPA. KeSPA actually directly contradicted DES lately. DES is as affiliated with KeSPA as Fomos is affiliated with KeSPA. KeSPA isn't evil they're just incompetent.
I never said DES is part of KeSPA.
DES is definitely pro-KeSPA.
KeSPA just ditched DES because of DES being incompetent and their shitty journalism.
But I do agree with you on KeSPA being incompetent shit.
And we all know that "one e-sports insider" in the related articles mean KeSPA.
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On March 31 2012 03:56 StarStruck wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2012 03:07 JiPrime wrote:On March 31 2012 03:02 floor exercise wrote:On March 31 2012 02:51 JiPrime wrote:On March 30 2012 17:57 Plexa wrote:
[*]KeSPA did not stop teams from competing in gomtv classic. They didn't officially recognise it, however, the teams that boycotted GSL had a reason for doing so. OGN/MBC were broadcast stations, eSTRO was sponsored by IEG and SKT held the presidents chair at KeSPA. Teams were simply overworked by this point and there wasn't room in the market for another tournament, leading to the classic's demise. Actually KeSPA stopped teams from competing in gomtv classic because Gretech refused to pay the bullshit league license fee to KeSPA, which KeSPA has no right to charge for it in the first place. Gretech was the only company that actually asked Blizzard before they started the classics, and when GOMTV classic was shut down, this prompted to Blizzard to step in, leading to the whole KeSPA vs Blizzard. There's still no proof of this. On the Kespa board sits a member of every pro team. At no point did every pro team refuse to compete in any of Gom's BW ventures. Every GOM classic had Kespa players in it. At times teams chose not to allow their players to participate, or the players chose to do so on their own, because they had 2 other leagues and proleague to practice and compete in. Blizzard didn't step in to save anyone from Kespa, they did it in their own interests. In these eSports grounds, rumors tend to be mostly true here. Most korean eSports community know this is true. Teams have actually no say on any matter, it's all in tight control of KeSPA. You foreigners have no idea how things work in Korea. Plexa and floor exercise follow the scene unlike you, who I have no recollection. KeSPA are the team and sponsors for f sake. Floor exercise and Plexa have a better idea than you.
I've been following SC e-sports scene since the reign of Ssamjang and Bertrand, I just never bothered to hang around here.
You're a fool for weighing credibility with one's post count and affiliation of a fansite.
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On March 31 2012 03:59 JiPrime wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2012 03:56 StarStruck wrote:On March 31 2012 03:07 JiPrime wrote:On March 31 2012 03:02 floor exercise wrote:On March 31 2012 02:51 JiPrime wrote:On March 30 2012 17:57 Plexa wrote:
[*]KeSPA did not stop teams from competing in gomtv classic. They didn't officially recognise it, however, the teams that boycotted GSL had a reason for doing so. OGN/MBC were broadcast stations, eSTRO was sponsored by IEG and SKT held the presidents chair at KeSPA. Teams were simply overworked by this point and there wasn't room in the market for another tournament, leading to the classic's demise. Actually KeSPA stopped teams from competing in gomtv classic because Gretech refused to pay the bullshit league license fee to KeSPA, which KeSPA has no right to charge for it in the first place. Gretech was the only company that actually asked Blizzard before they started the classics, and when GOMTV classic was shut down, this prompted to Blizzard to step in, leading to the whole KeSPA vs Blizzard. There's still no proof of this. On the Kespa board sits a member of every pro team. At no point did every pro team refuse to compete in any of Gom's BW ventures. Every GOM classic had Kespa players in it. At times teams chose not to allow their players to participate, or the players chose to do so on their own, because they had 2 other leagues and proleague to practice and compete in. Blizzard didn't step in to save anyone from Kespa, they did it in their own interests. In these eSports grounds, rumors tend to be mostly true here. Most korean eSports community know this is true. Teams have actually no say on any matter, it's all in tight control of KeSPA. You foreigners have no idea how things work in Korea. Plexa and floor exercise follow the scene unlike you, who I have no recollection. KeSPA are the team and sponsors for f sake. Floor exercise and Plexa have a better idea than you. I've been following SC e-sports scene since the reign of Ssamjang and Bertrand, I just never bothered to hang around here. You're a fool for weighing credibility with one's post count and affiliation of a fansite.
No, it's the fact that we've been around here for a while and we know our shit. Unlike you, who is complete stranger to us and you do come across as just another one of those guys who just talk shit.
So your a fan of the Frenchman? I've been following the scene since way before that shit too. Anyway, why don't we just bump up a few of the old KeSPA threads to paint a pretty picture about all their wrong-doings and the shit they did right?
We have tons of them man. We've been dissecting them for a long fucking time.
I also find it incredibly hard to believe that you only found out about TL recently considering how long we've been doing this stuff.
Are you a Korean who moved to Canada or what's the deal with you?
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On March 31 2012 04:03 StarStruck wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2012 03:59 JiPrime wrote:On March 31 2012 03:56 StarStruck wrote:On March 31 2012 03:07 JiPrime wrote:On March 31 2012 03:02 floor exercise wrote:On March 31 2012 02:51 JiPrime wrote:On March 30 2012 17:57 Plexa wrote:
[*]KeSPA did not stop teams from competing in gomtv classic. They didn't officially recognise it, however, the teams that boycotted GSL had a reason for doing so. OGN/MBC were broadcast stations, eSTRO was sponsored by IEG and SKT held the presidents chair at KeSPA. Teams were simply overworked by this point and there wasn't room in the market for another tournament, leading to the classic's demise. Actually KeSPA stopped teams from competing in gomtv classic because Gretech refused to pay the bullshit league license fee to KeSPA, which KeSPA has no right to charge for it in the first place. Gretech was the only company that actually asked Blizzard before they started the classics, and when GOMTV classic was shut down, this prompted to Blizzard to step in, leading to the whole KeSPA vs Blizzard. There's still no proof of this. On the Kespa board sits a member of every pro team. At no point did every pro team refuse to compete in any of Gom's BW ventures. Every GOM classic had Kespa players in it. At times teams chose not to allow their players to participate, or the players chose to do so on their own, because they had 2 other leagues and proleague to practice and compete in. Blizzard didn't step in to save anyone from Kespa, they did it in their own interests. In these eSports grounds, rumors tend to be mostly true here. Most korean eSports community know this is true. Teams have actually no say on any matter, it's all in tight control of KeSPA. You foreigners have no idea how things work in Korea. Plexa and floor exercise follow the scene unlike you, who I have no recollection. KeSPA are the team and sponsors for f sake. Floor exercise and Plexa have a better idea than you. I've been following SC e-sports scene since the reign of Ssamjang and Bertrand, I just never bothered to hang around here. You're a fool for weighing credibility with one's post count and affiliation of a fansite. No, it's the fact that we've been around here for a while and we know our shit. Unlike you, who is complete stranger to us and you do come across as just another one of those guys who just talk shit. So your a fan of the Frenchman? I've been following the scene since way before that shit too. Anyway, why don't we just bump up a few of the old KeSPA threads to paint a pretty picture about all their wrong-doings and the shit they did right? We have tons of them man. We've been dissecting them for a long fucking time.
Ha! Pot calling Kettle black here.
Yes, you foreigners know your shit alright, but not as much as the Koreans on DCG or PGR21.
I just read posts here, but never bothered to make an account until recently.
And yes, I moved to Canada a few years ago and got my Canadian citizenship because I don't wanna go to the army.
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