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+ Show Spoiler +On March 16 2012 22:55 Bigpet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2012 21:56 paralleluniverse wrote:On March 16 2012 21:42 Mesha wrote:Blizzard would implement this and many more but the technology simply isn't there yet.  These ideas are ok but i don't think that Blizzard's develepers are lacking ideas, i think they haven't put in resources and efforts to upgrade their shitty UI. This next patch could be something that changes that. The technology isn't there to launch a replay from the score screen? To add tabs to replays? You make it sound like Blizzard is attempting to design a quantum computer. It was sarcasm. The phrase "the technology isn't there yet" was used by Blizzard as a comment regarding shared viewing of replays if I recall correctly (something BW had mind you). Might have been something else regarding replays though.my bad it was actually something TB said sarcastically: redditedit2: which was a quote from Frank Pearce regarding cross-region play (basically saying the ping is too high) Show nested quote +You know, it depends on the technology infrastructure provided by the telecommunications providers. It's something that we'll be constantly evaluating and looking at. In an ideal world, the Blizzard gaming community would be unified in one global region, but the technology's just not there yet. Ten years ago, we weren't making 3D games. Hopefully, in the same way that we're making 3D games today and we weren't ten years ago, down the road the connectivity in terms of the internet will be such that we can bring everyone together in a unified community, but it's just not possible right now. That's the ideal world. TL Thread containing the quote
lol, this guy's got his sources!
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Since a lot of people seem to be commenting on the whole difference between an Artist and a Designer, and what role development plays in the whole thing, I thought I would share this:
The Overlay Show Episode 28
It is an interview with Nick Slough, who is the Lead UI Artist on StarCraft 2, and at around 58 minutes it starts into a whole discussion on Designer versus Developer argument and what roles each plays. The shows hosts kind of dominate the conversation a lot, but he does talk a bit about how in his eyes they are all part of the development team and should be involved with making the best product possible. As it relates to this topic, and it is somewhat interesting: I thought I would go ahead and share.
Thanks again for all the feedback!
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On March 16 2012 21:45 Art_of_Kill wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2012 06:24 Ashur wrote:
I do not like those changes but icons in replays. Suggestions are useless for daily purpose. I mean, StarCraft II Bnet UI needs to be changed completely, not just to move this and that and add minor feature. Those requirements are in several threads already
1) Shared replays
1a) Serverside saved replays (anyone can just view my public replays, till I click just played game as "do not publish")
2) Be able to move to the middle or end of the replay immediately
3) Public chat channels
4) Chat commands (/whisper, /ignore, /join, /creategame) we are not xbox dumbasses to click 3 times to whisper, right?
5) Be able to join game from chat via clicking a button ("Observe" for example, when someone left channel and started new public game)
6) Be able to join game after it started, or this might be a feature to prevent cheating - see the real content with a slight 2 min delay
7) Statistics in UI (sc2 ranks stats for my profile, for our teams, its just numbers)
8) An option to show/hide my win/loss ratio to myself/others
9) Clan support
10) E-sports support, why I cannot see replays from games (perhaps with audio) and I have to see a stream? Why is there no stream directly in game UI when this event has Blizzard as a sponsor/partner?
11) Map market
11a) Model market, why you do not make some new models (e.g. CE Thor) of units paid for Blizzbucks?
12) Simplify it, I am just too lazy to click same sequence of tabs/buttons/scroll/rightclicks over and over
13) Screw realms, make it global as it used to be
14) Charts, more charts in game for casters, and more charts in BN UI to analyze. What about chart for income, for unit loss etc.
I mean, game itself is perfect, but whoever made current Battle.NET UI 2.0 just failed. It sucks. It definitely sucks.
Blizzard should be leader in game industry, so far I see that people are complaining. Other companies do a lot - a lot more, to make their games user friendly. It's sad. Oh and BTW So far it seems that D3 socializing will have same "empty" syndrom as SC2 has. way more important improvement then the op suggested
No one has ever put it better. These minor changes arent enough.
All these suggestions would have more effect than more shiny icons and graphic changes.
Maybe people would actually spend their time in bnet if it would be that convienent and play more themselves. I definetely think we need to grow our playerbase in the long run for esports to grow.
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These changes look amazing! I really hope you get the position!
That being said, to better your chances of getting said position, fix the typo at 7:23  You have Ehacing instead of Enhancing.
Good luck!
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Amazing work! I hope you will get the job.
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On March 17 2012 02:21 Xxazn4lyfe51xX wrote:These changes look amazing! I really hope you get the position! That being said, to better your chances of getting said position, fix the typo at 7:23 You have Ehacing instead of Enhancing. Good luck!
lol Yeah I noticed that right after it started to get traction... I don't think there is a way to replace a video without creating a new one, but I could be wrong. Regardless, thanks for letting me know! I just let that one get away from me unfortunately.
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Very nice. As a starcraft fan and a professional designer, this is great work (and only just the beginning). What about group replay watching? Blizzard, hire this man now.
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In all honesty, the emphasis you put on the amazing changes you have thought out for the UI got me dissapointed. The changes in the video, IMO, isn't that original; I thought there was going to be more except replays and match history.
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On March 17 2012 01:47 ffdestiny wrote:Since you never addressed any of the realistic business-side issues that actually being employed at such a huge company as Blizzard (or any company) deems as necessary, and you never answered any of my reasons for the critique through picking careers (as in, this is an employment application) through such an important, and in-depth project I don't really know what to say to you, other than your attack is largely ad hominen, emotional and dismisses the fact that the original video is grossly detracted from the actual job that he desires. Furthermore, since he's calling for employment, it's different. If this were a simple "hey look what SC II can be" then, like I said, I would agree with it more. As of right now, there's no reason to curtail those emotions and ignore the fallacies that exist in his logic--also, why are you speaking for him in such a manner, anyway? I'm sure he can respond if he wishes, and taking up a random, anonymous white-knight for your defense is all-together, I don't know, baseless?
the biggest question out of all of that, since you only managed to quote the part in which I asked you if you work for Blizzards UI team is, do you? Since you singled out that specific quote you'd imagine that you'd answer it.
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These are good proposals, though I feel like a lot of the proposed changes are basic UI features that should've been included in the package to begin with, had Blizzard been even remotely considerate towards UI.
TBH, the inefficiency of finding replays to their corresponding match histories, or having to reselect the match history category after returning from viewing match details simply because it didn't provide us with enough information on the list itself are unacceptable design flaws considering how easy they are to implement, just to name a couple out of many.
The lack of effort put in by blizzard in regards to UI is astounding in contrast to the quality of the game itself. Truly, the UI is dragging the SC2 experience down for its users.
So props for actually doing something and getting this video out there.
There are a couple things I'd like to say though:
I couldn't help but cringe when you mention that you thought the interface was already well designed and had a difficult time in finding ways to improve upon it. If you really think this way, I believe your standard for UI design is set unacceptably low, especially considering you're a designer yourself. If you don't really think this way (which I'm personally assuming) you're kissing their asses for a failed design. Either way the statement doesn't belong in this video.
You're quite dramatic as well, with the tone of your voice, vocabulary, and the choice of background music. You might want to turn down the sensationalism and get to the points to "up" your credibility.
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On March 17 2012 04:41 NeMeSiS3 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2012 01:47 ffdestiny wrote:
... You wouldn't happen to work for Blizzards UI team would you?
Since you never addressed any of the realistic business-side issues that actually being employed at such a huge company as Blizzard (or any company) deems as necessary, and you never answered any of my reasons for the critique through picking careers (as in, this is an employment application) through such an important, and in-depth project I don't really know what to say to you, other than your attack is largely ad hominen, emotional and dismisses the fact that the original video is grossly detracted from the actual job that he desires. Furthermore, since he's calling for employment, it's different. If this were a simple "hey look what SC II can be" then, like I said, I would agree with it more. As of right now, there's no reason to curtail those emotions and ignore the fallacies that exist in his logic--also, why are you speaking for him in such a manner, anyway? I'm sure he can respond if he wishes, and taking up a random, anonymous white-knight for your defense is all-together, I don't know, baseless? the biggest question out of all of that, since you only managed to quote the part in which I asked you if you work for Blizzards UI team is, do you? Since you singled out that specific quote you'd imagine that you'd answer it.
I am in complete agreement with ffdestiny here.
The video does not at all adress an interface artist. Go look at the job requirements.
A task for an interface artist might be something along the lines of: "So the GUI Designer made this prototype, with these buttons here, here, here and here. We want you to texture and animate these buttons."
I'm terribly sorry to put it so crudely, because i'm sure this guy is passionate about it, but i'll be a monkey's uncle if he gets the job.
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Very nicely done, hope they hire you!
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On March 17 2012 04:56 Mr.Pyro wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2012 04:41 NeMeSiS3 wrote:On March 17 2012 01:47 ffdestiny wrote:
... You wouldn't happen to work for Blizzards UI team would you?
Since you never addressed any of the realistic business-side issues that actually being employed at such a huge company as Blizzard (or any company) deems as necessary, and you never answered any of my reasons for the critique through picking careers (as in, this is an employment application) through such an important, and in-depth project I don't really know what to say to you, other than your attack is largely ad hominen, emotional and dismisses the fact that the original video is grossly detracted from the actual job that he desires. Furthermore, since he's calling for employment, it's different. If this were a simple "hey look what SC II can be" then, like I said, I would agree with it more. As of right now, there's no reason to curtail those emotions and ignore the fallacies that exist in his logic--also, why are you speaking for him in such a manner, anyway? I'm sure he can respond if he wishes, and taking up a random, anonymous white-knight for your defense is all-together, I don't know, baseless? the biggest question out of all of that, since you only managed to quote the part in which I asked you if you work for Blizzards UI team is, do you? Since you singled out that specific quote you'd imagine that you'd answer it. I am in complete agreement with ffdestiny here. The video does not at all adress an interface artist. Go look at the job requirements. A task for an interface artist might be something along the lines of: "So the GUI Designer made this prototype, with these buttons here, here, here and here. We want you to texture and animate these buttons."I'm terribly sorry to put it so crudely, because i'm sure this guy is passionate about it, but i'll be a monkey's uncle if he gets the job.
if you read back (he edited out the entire quote I posted to just add that) I agreed with that, what I was even arguing about was how he stated the changes were "redimdamt" and he said something along the lines of why change the system simplistic nature for a more complicated UI (which it would actually be the reverse)
I never argued that the job hes seeking is actually incorrect for what he's showing.
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It's baffling that these kinds of things weren't implemented in the first place. No offence to OP, but the proposed changes are intuitive and should have been thought of the first thing around.
Also, watch replays with friends needs to be added, no question.
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This makes me want to kill myself more than that Kony video.
The changes you proposed are very very limited.
A complete re-hall of the whole UI is needed in my opinion. With all the stuff there adding in, in HotS i think a complete UI design is needed as its going to make it even more confusing and annoying to get your head around.
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On March 17 2012 05:16 faulty wrote:
It's baffling that these kinds of things weren't implemented in the first place. No offence to OP, but the proposed changes are intuitive and should have been thought of the first thing around.
This too. They are not 'groundbreaking'.
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On March 17 2012 05:26 mcblayer wrote:
This makes me want to kill myself more than that Kony video.
You are being extremely melodramatic. The proposed changes are not even remotely bad enough to warrant this kind of response.
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Really nice upgrades, really like everything he did with it. Everything makes a lot more sense with his edits, hopefully blizz takes a look at this
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On March 17 2012 05:35 Mr.Pyro wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2012 05:16 faulty wrote:
It's baffling that these kinds of things weren't implemented in the first place. No offence to OP, but the proposed changes are intuitive and should have been thought of the first thing around.
This too. They are not 'groundbreaking'.
Hi, I'm the real you, I hope you can change for the both of us.
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