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On March 12 2012 03:07 skeldark wrote: Still on this drama? That's strange! Normally you guys move on pretty fast. Did you not find a new victim already?
I herd rumors about a replay pack that "exposes" other players for using racial slander.
Might be pretty scary if it is released. Wonder if the reactions will be the same because some of these players are more "Liked" than Orb.
Honestly this needs to happen so that teams like EG are forced to confront their hypocrisy.
Cuz let's face it, Idra gets a free pass when he calls people faggots but Orb gets instantly dropped for saying Nigger, to me I find both words equally offensive and there is literally no difference between Orb and Idra BMing. EG will use any half-baked excuse they can to avoid causing problems for their cash-cow Idra and will disown someone like Orb with no reservation because he doesn't make them as much money, simple as that, EG has no moral or ethical concerns on this issue it's purely about money money money. [Go figure their team as a whole existsmore as a product placement marketing team than a SC2 team].
Oh well, this just annoys me because it's blatent favortism which I can't stand, get yourself a real set of ethical rules to abide by instead of just sticking your dick wherever the money is. I've lost any respect I've had for EG by this point.
You know, Idra has never tried to cover up him saying the word faggot and what not. Orb did. That is the main issue Alex had with the scenario and I don't think people realize it. Orb said some naughty words when he got angry, people on reddit dug it up to get him in trouble, and he proceeded to lie about it and say it wasn't him. That is the issue that caused him getting dropped. I really doubt EG would have kicked him for saying that shit over a year ago, especially if he fessed up and apologized instead of attempting to brush it under the rug.
1) Orb was dropped for his poor behavior, not for lying. He owned up to the other screenshots and stated on multiple times that the first screenshot was not him, but the other ones were.
2) EG kicked him out for shit over a year ago because people were pressuring their sponsors because Reddit is full of angry crusading vengeful nerds that want to witch hunt because they feel entitled to, and no one at Reddit or TL decided to attempt to stop them.
you can edit replay text... to have ppl say what didn't occur and then run said replay like that and screen what you desire
On March 12 2012 03:07 skeldark wrote: Still on this drama? That's strange! Normally you guys move on pretty fast. Did you not find a new victim already?
I herd rumors about a replay pack that "exposes" other players for using racial slander.
Might be pretty scary if it is released. Wonder if the reactions will be the same because some of these players are more "Liked" than Orb.
Honestly this needs to happen so that teams like EG are forced to confront their hypocrisy.
Cuz let's face it, Idra gets a free pass when he calls people faggots but Orb gets instantly dropped for saying Nigger, to me I find both words equally offensive and there is literally no difference between Orb and Idra BMing. EG will use any half-baked excuse they can to avoid causing problems for their cash-cow Idra and will disown someone like Orb with no reservation because he doesn't make them as much money, simple as that, EG has no moral or ethical concerns on this issue it's purely about money money money. [Go figure their team as a whole existsmore as a product placement marketing team than a SC2 team].
Oh well, this just annoys me because it's blatent favortism which I can't stand, get yourself a real set of ethical rules to abide by instead of just sticking your dick wherever the money is. I've lost any respect I've had for EG by this point.
You know, Idra has never tried to cover up him saying the word faggot and what not. Orb did. That is the main issue Alex had with the scenario and I don't think people realize it. Orb said some naughty words when he got angry, people on reddit dug it up to get him in trouble, and he proceeded to lie about it and say it wasn't him. That is the issue that caused him getting dropped. I really doubt EG would have kicked him for saying that shit over a year ago, especially if he fessed up and apologized instead of attempting to brush it under the rug.
1) Orb was dropped for his poor behavior, not for lying. He owned up to the other screenshots and stated on multiple times that the first screenshot was not him, but the other ones were.
2) EG kicked him out for shit over a year ago because people were pressuring their sponsors because Reddit is full of angry crusading vengeful nerds that want to witch hunt because they feel entitled to, and no one at Reddit or TL decided to attempt to stop them.
Why are you just blatantly lying? The most recent time he said "nigger" in the pictures was like a week before all this shit started to happen. Even the least recent one wasn't a year ago.
On March 12 2012 03:07 skeldark wrote: Still on this drama? That's strange! Normally you guys move on pretty fast. Did you not find a new victim already?
I herd rumors about a replay pack that "exposes" other players for using racial slander.
Might be pretty scary if it is released. Wonder if the reactions will be the same because some of these players are more "Liked" than Orb.
Honestly this needs to happen so that teams like EG are forced to confront their hypocrisy.
Cuz let's face it, Idra gets a free pass when he calls people faggots but Orb gets instantly dropped for saying Nigger, to me I find both words equally offensive and there is literally no difference between Orb and Idra BMing. EG will use any half-baked excuse they can to avoid causing problems for their cash-cow Idra and will disown someone like Orb with no reservation because he doesn't make them as much money, simple as that, EG has no moral or ethical concerns on this issue it's purely about money money money. [Go figure their team as a whole existsmore as a product placement marketing team than a SC2 team].
Oh well, this just annoys me because it's blatent favortism which I can't stand, get yourself a real set of ethical rules to abide by instead of just sticking your dick wherever the money is. I've lost any respect I've had for EG by this point.
You know, Idra has never tried to cover up him saying the word faggot and what not. Orb did. That is the main issue Alex had with the scenario and I don't think people realize it. Orb said some naughty words when he got angry, people on reddit dug it up to get him in trouble, and he proceeded to lie about it and say it wasn't him. That is the issue that caused him getting dropped. I really doubt EG would have kicked him for saying that shit over a year ago, especially if he fessed up and apologized instead of attempting to brush it under the rug.
1) Orb was dropped for his poor behavior, not for lying. He owned up to the other screenshots and stated on multiple times that the first screenshot was not him, but the other ones were.
2) EG kicked him out for shit over a year ago because people were pressuring their sponsors because Reddit is full of angry crusading vengeful nerds that want to witch hunt because they feel entitled to, and no one at Reddit or TL decided to attempt to stop them.
you can edit replay text... to have ppl say what didn't occur and then run said replay like that and screen what you desire
Yeah, honestly faking screenshots like that is easy as fuck, would take me like 10 minutes to forge statements like that.
On March 12 2012 03:07 skeldark wrote: Still on this drama? That's strange! Normally you guys move on pretty fast. Did you not find a new victim already?
I herd rumors about a replay pack that "exposes" other players for using racial slander.
Might be pretty scary if it is released. Wonder if the reactions will be the same because some of these players are more "Liked" than Orb.
Honestly this needs to happen so that teams like EG are forced to confront their hypocrisy.
Cuz let's face it, Idra gets a free pass when he calls people faggots but Orb gets instantly dropped for saying Nigger, to me I find both words equally offensive and there is literally no difference between Orb and Idra BMing. EG will use any half-baked excuse they can to avoid causing problems for their cash-cow Idra and will disown someone like Orb with no reservation because he doesn't make them as much money, simple as that, EG has no moral or ethical concerns on this issue it's purely about money money money. [Go figure their team as a whole existsmore as a product placement marketing team than a SC2 team].
Oh well, this just annoys me because it's blatent favortism which I can't stand, get yourself a real set of ethical rules to abide by instead of just sticking your dick wherever the money is. I've lost any respect I've had for EG by this point.
You know, Idra has never tried to cover up him saying the word faggot and what not. Orb did. That is the main issue Alex had with the scenario and I don't think people realize it. Orb said some naughty words when he got angry, people on reddit dug it up to get him in trouble, and he proceeded to lie about it and say it wasn't him. That is the issue that caused him getting dropped. I really doubt EG would have kicked him for saying that shit over a year ago, especially if he fessed up and apologized instead of attempting to brush it under the rug.
1) Orb was dropped for his poor behavior, not for lying. He owned up to the other screenshots and stated on multiple times that the first screenshot was not him, but the other ones were.
2) EG kicked him out for shit over a year ago because people were pressuring their sponsors because Reddit is full of angry crusading vengeful nerds that want to witch hunt because they feel entitled to, and no one at Reddit or TL decided to attempt to stop them.
Why are you just blatantly lying? The most recent time he said "nigger" in the pictures was like a week before all this shit started to happen. Even the least recent one wasn't a year ago.
Exaggeration. The pictures that had him stating it are all fairly old though, at least the ones he owned up to. Also, I'm fairly certain the cannon rushing picture was dated a year back.
Most of those are super old screen shot. That's really retarded. So IdrA get multiples warning for WORST shits, and Orb get fired instantly?
We should all contact your sponsors and tell them how inconsistent and hypocrit you guys are with the community. Because, let's face it, that's the only things EG seems to care about : money. money. money.
On March 11 2012 14:57 MaestroSC wrote: this thread just shows how many people are not full fledge members of the workforce.
I agree 100%
There seems to be a lot of discussion about the use of a word and whether someone should be rationally upset by it. I suspect that debate to continue. However, none of this changes the reality that employees are consistently fired when using a racially charged term or phrase. Agree with it or not, these are the rules you must follow if you want to keep your job.
The n-word isn't the only language getting people in trouble:
ESPN editor fired when his non-racist phrase was interpreted as racist: http://articles.nydailynews.com/2012-02-20/news/31081058_1_lin-story-jeremy-lin-racial-slur The phrase was "chink in the armor" when referring to an Asian basketball player's poor performance. This poor choice of words not only cost the editor his job, but also got a reporter suspended for the same tragically poor wording (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_Bretos).
I'm sure I can spend the rest of the afternoon finding various stories and press releases, but I think I made my point. These are the rules businesses follow and these are the results when an employee breaks them. Whether EG wanted to fire Orb or not, there is a large precedent defending their action.
On March 12 2012 06:50 Xalorian wrote: Most of those are super old screen shot. That's really retarded. So IdrA get multiples warning for WORST shits, and Orb get fired instantly?
We should all contact your sponsors and tell them how inconsistent and hypocrit you guys are with the community. Because, let's face it, that's the only things EG seems to care about : money. money. money.
You are the reason I feel sad for myself, as i realise I have nothing to do but reading this thread and these horrible posters.
But you are right, Team should pay their players with love and unicorn pictures.
While I don't enjoy Orb's commentating or stream antics too much, this seems a little silly. If you were to dig in to many gamer's past you'd most likely find worse and more offensive language. Although you may give Idra a stern talking to when he calls people faggots or gives the bird to a camera at mlg, you haven't fire the guy. Everyone is screaming it, and this DOES feel like a double standard. If you dropped orb because of sponsor pressures, that makes sense. I just don't like the idea that someone can get canned for how they have acted in the past. If you were to do background checks on all your employees/pro gamers I'm sure you'd have to fire a great majority of them.
On March 11 2012 14:57 MaestroSC wrote: this thread just shows how many people are not full fledge members of the workforce.
I agree 100%
There seems to be a lot of discussion about the use of a word and whether someone should be rationally upset by it. I suspect that debate to continue. However, none of this changes the reality that employees are consistently fired when using a racially charged term or phrase. Agree with it or not, these are the rules you must follow if you want to keep your job.
The n-word isn't the only language getting people in trouble:
ESPN editor fired when his non-racist phrase was interpreted as racist: http://articles.nydailynews.com/2012-02-20/news/31081058_1_lin-story-jeremy-lin-racial-slur The phrase was "chink in the armor" when referring to an Asian basketball player's poor performance. This poor choice of words not only cost the editor his job, but also got a reporter suspended for the same tragically poor wording (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_Bretos).
I'm sure I can spend the rest of the afternoon finding various stories and press releases, but I think I made my point. These are the rules businesses follow and these are the results when an employee breaks them. Whether EG wanted to fire Orb or not, there is a large precedent defending their action.
You are totally correct when you are at your job dont say harsh words like you are expect to. How ever Orb was not at his employers at the time. Even then if you can find articles with the same situation why would you do that to one person and not enforce the same amount one person versus another, especially since Idra is way more the poster child of eg?
This is what I'm getting. If orb just apologized for his behavior in the past and did not bm recently, he would not have gotten fired. But, he tried to cover it up with a lie + he did bm with slang recently, thus he got fired.
On March 11 2012 14:57 MaestroSC wrote: this thread just shows how many people are not full fledge members of the workforce.
I agree 100%
There seems to be a lot of discussion about the use of a word and whether someone should be rationally upset by it. I suspect that debate to continue. However, none of this changes the reality that employees are consistently fired when using a racially charged term or phrase. Agree with it or not, these are the rules you must follow if you want to keep your job.
The n-word isn't the only language getting people in trouble:
ESPN editor fired when his non-racist phrase was interpreted as racist: http://articles.nydailynews.com/2012-02-20/news/31081058_1_lin-story-jeremy-lin-racial-slur The phrase was "chink in the armor" when referring to an Asian basketball player's poor performance. This poor choice of words not only cost the editor his job, but also got a reporter suspended for the same tragically poor wording (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_Bretos).
I'm sure I can spend the rest of the afternoon finding various stories and press releases, but I think I made my point. These are the rules businesses follow and these are the results when an employee breaks them. Whether EG wanted to fire Orb or not, there is a large precedent defending their action.
Good thing Orb was retroactively punished for actions that were committed way prior to his arrival at EG.
On March 12 2012 07:08 SpecialistSc wrote:
This is what I'm getting. If orb just apologized for his behavior in the past and did not bm recently, he would not have gotten fired. But, he tried to cover it up with a lie + he did bm with slang recently, thus he got fired.
It seems logical path to me O_O.
Orb was fired for his behaviors prior to his arrival to EG. He was not punished for lying, in fact Alex even clearly stated so in his long drawn out statement.
On March 12 2012 07:00 pepsimaxibon wrote: so the thread has simmered down to the point where the remaining dregs are all nutjob conspiracy children.
it was all orb, he lost it on ladder and he tried to cover his ass by raging at everyone, bullshitting his employer and throwing the word slander around. scoots made a comment on l03 to the effect of "if it turns out he's lying to us, he's out on his ass".
if you want to guarantee getting over a sensitive issue, make sure you lie through your teeth to the person signing your cheques.
Actually the major problem people have isn't the firing. It's that Mr. Garfield dressed up as the racial white knight trying to reap PR benefits from the reddit crusade, while at the same time he has players on contract that say the same things (dota2 team stream) or similar things just slandering a different minority (Idra).
But that's a point mostly forgotten over the glee of a successful witch hunt.
Literally don't know how people can compare Orb to Idra. Idra is a SUPERSTAR of eports and the amount of regocnition that he's given EG is incredible. Orb was a new member to their production, they seen potential in him. Idra however is their biggest star and gives them the absolute most recognition as a team and for their sponsors, sure he's said the odd "faggot" during games but do you really think that EG care from a business model? Idra made EG (for sc2) as much as EG made Idra, there would be a huge hole in EG without him.
On March 11 2012 14:57 MaestroSC wrote: this thread just shows how many people are not full fledge members of the workforce.
I agree 100%
There seems to be a lot of discussion about the use of a word and whether someone should be rationally upset by it. I suspect that debate to continue. However, none of this changes the reality that employees are consistently fired when using a racially charged term or phrase. Agree with it or not, these are the rules you must follow if you want to keep your job.
The n-word isn't the only language getting people in trouble:
ESPN editor fired when his non-racist phrase was interpreted as racist: http://articles.nydailynews.com/2012-02-20/news/31081058_1_lin-story-jeremy-lin-racial-slur The phrase was "chink in the armor" when referring to an Asian basketball player's poor performance. This poor choice of words not only cost the editor his job, but also got a reporter suspended for the same tragically poor wording (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_Bretos).
I'm sure I can spend the rest of the afternoon finding various stories and press releases, but I think I made my point. These are the rules businesses follow and these are the results when an employee breaks them. Whether EG wanted to fire Orb or not, there is a large precedent defending their action.
Don Imus never said nigger. Here is the transcript: IMUS: That's some rough girls from Rutgers. Man, they got tattoos and—
McGUIRK: Some hard-core hos.
IMUS: That's some nappy-headed hos. I'm gonna tell you that now, man, that's some—whew. And the girls from Tennessee, they all look cute, you know, so, like—kinda like—I don't know.
McGUIRK: A Spike Lee thing.
IMUS: Yeah.
McGUIRK: The Jigaboos vs. the Wannabes—that movie that he had.
He said nappy-headed hos. Which is insulting to a bunch of people that he never met, sure. Should there have been such a huge outcry from the public about it though that ended up getting him fired? Face it, people hear the word and make it a far bigger deal then it really is. We really should grow the fuck up as a society and not let these words bother us so much.
On March 12 2012 07:35 Athroix wrote: Literally don't know how people can compare Orb to Idra. Idra is a SUPERSTAR of eports and the amount of regocnition that he's given EG is incredible. Orb was a new member to their production, they seen potential in him. Idra however is their biggest star and gives them the absolute most recognition as a team and for their sponsors, sure he's said the odd "faggot" during games but do you really think that EG care from a business model? Idra made EG (for sc2) as much as EG made Idra, there would be a huge hole in EG without him.
If the statement had been down to business along the lines of "Orb dropped the ball and is no longer an asset. As a professional organization we had to release him." I would agree. But if you create a wall of text how evil racism has gone underground and has infiltrated our minds secretly and how EG is the shining beacon of PC, then you have to drop Idra.
On March 12 2012 07:35 Athroix wrote: Literally don't know how people can compare Orb to Idra. Idra is a SUPERSTAR of eports and the amount of regocnition that he's given EG is incredible. Orb was a new member to their production, they seen potential in him. Idra however is their biggest star and gives them the absolute most recognition as a team and for their sponsors, sure he's said the odd "faggot" during games but do you really think that EG care from a business model? Idra made EG (for sc2) as much as EG made Idra, there would be a huge hole in EG without him.
If the statement had been down to business along the lines of "Orb dropped the ball and is no longer an asset. As a professional organization we had to release him." I would agree. But if you create a wall of text how evil racism has gone underground and has infiltrated our minds secretly and how EG is the shining beacon of PC, then you have to drop Idra.
dude, why are you still here? just let this thread go. You have posted seweral times that you don't like EG, ok we get it. Can you pls stop now? besides, if the statement would have been down to business, wouldn't there be a shit ton more people (including you) cry that EG doesn't care about racism just about the money?
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