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this whole incident reminds me of southpark and the entertainment level is quiet good here as well. Never thought that the southpark people would show a standard version of it and not an extreme version. Well you never stop learning something new.
On March 11 2012 02:59 Djzapz wrote: I love that people's definition of "handling this professionally" completely ignores that IdrA currently does significantly worse things and no action is being taken. Professional ye' say? In the scope of making profits, sure.
Care to explain ? What is Idra currently doing that is so bad ? Also I do think this was handled very professionnally, the problem here is that most people seem to think that everything should be handled the same way, whatever the context - professionnal or family like - which is plain wrong.
What has Orb done currently that warranted the firing?
You don't seem to understand that orb CURRENTLY lied about his BMing, he CURRENTLY did the BMing that he lied about even after being proven that it was him, and he CURRENTLY called everyone that was calling him out on it slandering retards.
Lied about BM? Dude, not even the president of the US got fired for lying while in office, so please take your righteous indignation bullshit someplace else.
And Orb did the BMin 1 year ago, while he was not emplyoed by EG.
Because the president is treated differently. If you have a job right now, go do something that would piss off your employer, and lie about it, and then see how long you last. And from what I read the BM that he lied about isn't 1 year old, but was actually after he joined EG, he just lied about it being him and pretended like it was someone else.
The point (which you are missing) is that it does not matter what he lied about. No one cares about that. Not even the EG CEO, who stated that he was fired for using the word, not for lying. That is the double standard that people are pointing out.
While I definitely agree with the message of this post, I wouldnt exactly call the SC2 community mature. Are there some great people? of course. But there are also people out there who are immature and obnoxious. (lots of whining too). And I agree that homophobic slangs need to be seen as more offensive.
On March 11 2012 02:59 Djzapz wrote: I love that people's definition of "handling this professionally" completely ignores that IdrA currently does significantly worse things and no action is being taken. Professional ye' say? In the scope of making profits, sure.
Care to explain ? What is Idra currently doing that is so bad ? Also I do think this was handled very professionnally, the problem here is that most people seem to think that everything should be handled the same way, whatever the context - professionnal or family like - which is plain wrong.
What has Orb done currently that warranted the firing?
You don't seem to understand that orb CURRENTLY lied about his BMing, he CURRENTLY did the BMing that he lied about even after being proven that it was him, and he CURRENTLY called everyone that was calling him out on it slandering retards.
Lied about BM? Dude, not even the president of the US got fired for lying while in office, so please take your righteous indignation bullshit someplace else.
And Orb did the BMin 1 year ago, while he was not emplyoed by EG.
Because the president is treated differently. If you have a job right now, go do something that would piss off your employer, and lie about it, and then see how long you last. And from what I read the BM that he lied about isn't 1 year old, but was actually after he joined EG, he just lied about it being him and pretended like it was someone else.
From what you read eh? I'm sure you have some really good contacts. Take my hand, I can fly.
On March 11 2012 02:59 Djzapz wrote: I love that people's definition of "handling this professionally" completely ignores that IdrA currently does significantly worse things and no action is being taken. Professional ye' say? In the scope of making profits, sure.
Care to explain ? What is Idra currently doing that is so bad ? Also I do think this was handled very professionnally, the problem here is that most people seem to think that everything should be handled the same way, whatever the context - professionnal or family like - which is plain wrong.
As I mentioned earlier, Idra has more than once used the words "faggot" during games. Notably, a few months ago, IdrA was answering fan questions on his personal stream after some games. Someone asked him what he thought of Canadians, and he said something to the effect that he has no issue with Canadians, but there's "something off" about French-Canadians. He seemed pretty disgusted with us. And that's not the first time he was racist to us, when he basically said that Kiwikaki would use a "gay" strategy since he's French-Canadian. That's not to mention all the general BM and flipping off Huk and flipping him off DURING A TOURNAMENT.
But since you insist on the word "currently", all of this is more recent than what Orb has done - and what bad things did Orb currently do? You're just as guilty as EG of having a gross double standard and you know it.
Please don't tell me what I am supposed to be or know. Also, I haven't seen Idra's BM recently, on the contrary, he even ggs out of games, it seems like. If your examples are months ago, then it does not mean "currently" for me. And I don't think BM and flipping people off are on the same level as racist words. I'd be much harsher on EG if I thought it was.
Well Alex Garfield obviously feels homophobia is on the same level, yet IdrA is left in the team while using the word "faggot". The Orb pics were taken from 1 year old VODs. Here's some footage from IdrA from September 5th to 13th.
Kinda funny how in that entire video the word "faggot" wasn't uttered once. At least watch shit before you link it.
On March 11 2012 02:59 Djzapz wrote: I love that people's definition of "handling this professionally" completely ignores that IdrA currently does significantly worse things and no action is being taken. Professional ye' say? In the scope of making profits, sure.
Care to explain ? What is Idra currently doing that is so bad ? Also I do think this was handled very professionnally, the problem here is that most people seem to think that everything should be handled the same way, whatever the context - professionnal or family like - which is plain wrong.
As I mentioned earlier, Idra has more than once used the words "faggot" during games. Notably, a few months ago, IdrA was answering fan questions on his personal stream after some games. Someone asked him what he thought of Canadians, and he said something to the effect that he has no issue with Canadians, but there's "something off" about French-Canadians. He seemed pretty disgusted with us. And that's not the first time he was racist to us, when he basically said that Kiwikaki would use a "gay" strategy since he's French-Canadian. That's not to mention all the general BM and flipping off Huk and flipping him off DURING A TOURNAMENT.
But since you insist on the word "currently", all of this is more recent than what Orb has done - and what bad things did Orb currently do? You're just as guilty as EG of having a gross double standard and you know it.
Please don't tell me what I am supposed to be or know. Also, I haven't seen Idra's BM recently, on the contrary, he even ggs out of games, it seems like. If your examples are months ago, then it does not mean "currently" for me. And I don't think BM and flipping people off are on the same level as racist words. I'd be much harsher on EG if I thought it was.
Well Alex Garfield obviously feels homophobia is on the same level, yet IdrA is left in the team while using the word "faggot". The Orb pics were taken from 1 year old VODs. Here's some footage from IdrA from September 5th to 13th.
On March 11 2012 02:59 Djzapz wrote: I love that people's definition of "handling this professionally" completely ignores that IdrA currently does significantly worse things and no action is being taken. Professional ye' say? In the scope of making profits, sure.
Care to explain ? What is Idra currently doing that is so bad ? Also I do think this was handled very professionnally, the problem here is that most people seem to think that everything should be handled the same way, whatever the context - professionnal or family like - which is plain wrong.
As I mentioned earlier, Idra has more than once used the words "faggot" during games. Notably, a few months ago, IdrA was answering fan questions on his personal stream after some games. Someone asked him what he thought of Canadians, and he said something to the effect that he has no issue with Canadians, but there's "something off" about French-Canadians. He seemed pretty disgusted with us. And that's not the first time he was racist to us, when he basically said that Kiwikaki would use a "gay" strategy since he's French-Canadian. That's not to mention all the general BM and flipping off Huk and flipping him off DURING A TOURNAMENT.
But since you insist on the word "currently", all of this is more recent than what Orb has done - and what bad things did Orb currently do? You're just as guilty as EG of having a gross double standard and you know it.
Please don't tell me what I am supposed to be or know. Also, I haven't seen Idra's BM recently, on the contrary, he even ggs out of games, it seems like. If your examples are months ago, then it does not mean "currently" for me. And I don't think BM and flipping people off are on the same level as racist words. I'd be much harsher on EG if I thought it was.
Well Alex Garfield obviously feels homophobia is on the same level, yet IdrA is left in the team while using the word "faggot". The Orb pics were taken from 1 year old VODs. Here's some footage from IdrA from September 5th to 13th.
On March 11 2012 03:26 m4inbrain wrote: Okay, to be clear here. I live in germany. For over 30 years now. I tell you, youre talking bullshit. Because you are. I dont care if you have distant relatives here, you obviously dont really talk that much to them (or, they are 17 years old kids who dont give a fuck about anything).
Maybe you should try to talk a bit less, and look a bit more into german politics (where every now and then the theme "nazi" brews up, mostly sided by antisemethics). Of course, people like the NPD (nationaldemocratic party germany/deutschland) wont give a fuck if you call them nazis (at least some, but funny enough, some of them went to court even after being called a nazi). But i invite you to read up on their controversy, after that we talk again. But then per PM please, because that has not really to do with the thread here.
PS: Nazi != Neo-Nazi, maybe you got something mixed up there, because Neo-Nazi is a term oftenly used by news-anchors for example. That does not mean that "nazi" is a fine word here in germany (or getting there).
I do not give a flying fk if you live in Germany or not. I don´t have distant relatives there, my dad is half German and my grandmother is a German as well. Good example of the difference between generations, my grandmother survived Dresden, I don´t even dare talking about nazi´s and that stuff. However my dad simply dislikes it, you see the difference? The fact that you have these 17 year olds that don´t have the same feelings towards the word, just shows it´s losing some of it´s stigma.
If you want to say that calling someone a "nazi" is the same now as it was in the 1960´s, then you are simply ignorant and not worth wasting my time in replying to you. Things are changing, 17 year olds that you claim don´t give a fuck about anything, are more calm about being called "nazi´s" then 17 year old´s would have been 30 years ago. Same thing with 30 year olds, they are also calmer now then they were 30 years ago, simply because some of the stigma has been removed from the word, time has healed the word a bit, although it still holds that "stigma" level in Germany, just like I said in my original post. You act like I am saying that it´s lost all it´s Stigma, I havn´t said that anywhere, I just said it´s lost some of it´s stigma, it´s less "terrible" then it was 30 years ago. If you are unable to fully comprehend English or you just can´t face the fact that the word has lost almost all it´s stigma in most of Europe, and some of it´s stigma in Germany, then I don´t care for your reply´s because there is no point in arguing with someone who can´t just face facts. You can claim 2+3=10 as much as you want, doesn´t make it right.
My wife is sensitive to being called a Nazi. To her family at least, it is extremely offensive. Her grandfather had his entire family taken from him and put in a concentration camp. he was told if he didn't fight for the Nazi's they would all be killed so he joined the Nazi's and fought the allies. Over half of his family died while in concentration camps. They are still slandered for the choice to fight for the Nazi's and are all very sensitve to it. There are a lot more families with similar situations and I'm sure that they are still upset about the term. My wife wasn't allive and never met the ones who killed her family but it still bothers her. there are still a lot of people alive today that would have much larger families if it wasn't for the Nazi party so I'm sure that most people still hate it when you call them that.
It seems pointless to discuss things here. Nobody reads what you write. I didn´t say people like the word "nazi". I said it still holds stigma in Germany. It just doesn´t hold the same stigma level it did 30 years ago. Is it too complicated for people to realize that is what i´m saying, not that there is no stigma surrounding the word? This is integrated into German culture right now, they are ashamed of it, this period in their history. However the word holds less stigma now then it did. Cba to discuss it further.
On March 11 2012 03:26 m4inbrain wrote: Okay, to be clear here. I live in germany. For over 30 years now. I tell you, youre talking bullshit. Because you are. I dont care if you have distant relatives here, you obviously dont really talk that much to them (or, they are 17 years old kids who dont give a fuck about anything).
Maybe you should try to talk a bit less, and look a bit more into german politics (where every now and then the theme "nazi" brews up, mostly sided by antisemethics). Of course, people like the NPD (nationaldemocratic party germany/deutschland) wont give a fuck if you call them nazis (at least some, but funny enough, some of them went to court even after being called a nazi). But i invite you to read up on their controversy, after that we talk again. But then per PM please, because that has not really to do with the thread here.
PS: Nazi != Neo-Nazi, maybe you got something mixed up there, because Neo-Nazi is a term oftenly used by news-anchors for example. That does not mean that "nazi" is a fine word here in germany (or getting there).
I do not give a flying fk if you live in Germany or not. I don´t have distant relatives there, my dad is half German and my grandmother is a German as well. Good example of the difference between generations, my grandmother survived Dresden, I don´t even dare talking about nazi´s and that stuff. However my dad simply dislikes it, you see the difference? The fact that you have these 17 year olds that don´t have the same feelings towards the word, just shows it´s losing some of it´s stigma.
If you want to say that calling someone a "nazi" is the same now as it was in the 1960´s, then you are simply ignorant and not worth wasting my time in replying to you. Things are changing, 17 year olds that you claim don´t give a fuck about anything, are more calm about being called "nazi´s" then 17 year old´s would have been 30 years ago. Same thing with 30 year olds, they are also calmer now then they were 30 years ago, simply because some of the stigma has been removed from the word, time has healed the word a bit, although it still holds that "stigma" level in Germany, just like I said in my original post. You act like I am saying that it´s lost all it´s Stigma, I havn´t said that anywhere, I just said it´s lost some of it´s stigma, it´s less "terrible" then it was 30 years ago. If you are unable to fully comprehend English or you just can´t face the fact that the word has lost almost all it´s stigma in most of Europe, and some of it´s stigma in Germany, then I don´t care for your reply´s because there is no point in arguing with someone who can´t just face facts. You can claim 2+3=10 as much as you want, doesn´t make it right.
Let me help you by quote you.
It´s not, I know plenty Germans that don´t give a shit anymore.
You see what you wrote? There is nothing changing as long as politics and representatives act like they do. Who cares what a 17 years old thinks? Most of the 17s dont even know what the holocaust was, so why should they give a fuck? Is it good now that germany has problems with the social riff-raff and alot of people are uneducated? Why didnt you look up the information i gave you, afraid that it could prove you wrong? I didnt live in the 60s, i lived in the 80s. And from there on (lets take the 90s, because i can remember them pretty clearly) up until now, nothing has changed. And its good that way. And no, it did NOT lost its stigma everywhere else in europe. And i can tell you, i feel offended. Not by "fun-terms" like "grammarnazi" or stuff like that. But if someone tries to insult me by my heritage.
Ill close with this link, use google translate on it. Maybe you get what it actually means, which i honestly dont think. Funny enough that an icelandic guy wants to tell me how things work in the country i was born and live in.
Btw: Nazi will always be an insult. It CANT be not an insult for every sane person. Nazi is a cozyname for "nationalsozialistisch", which in essence mean NSDAP. If you dont know history, its fine, but dont try to lecture someone who actually knows better. Ask your dad where "Nazi" comes from, and if it was okay for him if he would be considered part of that. Other than that, try to look up the informations i gave you - if you dont, youre just a waste of time, sorry to say that.
On March 11 2012 02:59 Djzapz wrote: I love that people's definition of "handling this professionally" completely ignores that IdrA currently does significantly worse things and no action is being taken. Professional ye' say? In the scope of making profits, sure.
Care to explain ? What is Idra currently doing that is so bad ? Also I do think this was handled very professionnally, the problem here is that most people seem to think that everything should be handled the same way, whatever the context - professionnal or family like - which is plain wrong.
As I mentioned earlier, Idra has more than once used the words "faggot" during games. Notably, a few months ago, IdrA was answering fan questions on his personal stream after some games. Someone asked him what he thought of Canadians, and he said something to the effect that he has no issue with Canadians, but there's "something off" about French-Canadians. He seemed pretty disgusted with us. And that's not the first time he was racist to us, when he basically said that Kiwikaki would use a "gay" strategy since he's French-Canadian. That's not to mention all the general BM and flipping off Huk and flipping him off DURING A TOURNAMENT.
But since you insist on the word "currently", all of this is more recent than what Orb has done - and what bad things did Orb currently do? You're just as guilty as EG of having a gross double standard and you know it.
Please don't tell me what I am supposed to be or know. Also, I haven't seen Idra's BM recently, on the contrary, he even ggs out of games, it seems like. If your examples are months ago, then it does not mean "currently" for me. And I don't think BM and flipping people off are on the same level as racist words. I'd be much harsher on EG if I thought it was.
Well Alex Garfield obviously feels homophobia is on the same level, yet IdrA is left in the team while using the word "faggot". The Orb pics were taken from 1 year old VODs. Here's some footage from IdrA from September 5th to 13th.
Kinda funny how in that entire video the word "faggot" wasn't uttered once. At least watch shit before you link it.
"He's French Canadian so he's gunna do fast expand into stupid zealot timing into something else gay." That's racist and homophobic.
It's only racist because there's clearly dislike of French Canadians.
I don't think it's necessarily homophobic in the same way that Orb's vocabulary can't be used to prove that he's racist. Here, the word "gay" is just a derogatory label, and doesn't mean that Idra dislikes homosexuals, even though some people may think that his vocabulary suggests that it is.
I haven't been following much but.. so Orb is getting disciplined just because he said the n word a few times? ..too much fuss about nothing. It doesn't seem like racism, but immaturity.
On March 11 2012 02:59 Djzapz wrote: I love that people's definition of "handling this professionally" completely ignores that IdrA currently does significantly worse things and no action is being taken. Professional ye' say? In the scope of making profits, sure.
Care to explain ? What is Idra currently doing that is so bad ? Also I do think this was handled very professionnally, the problem here is that most people seem to think that everything should be handled the same way, whatever the context - professionnal or family like - which is plain wrong.
As I mentioned earlier, Idra has more than once used the words "faggot" during games. Notably, a few months ago, IdrA was answering fan questions on his personal stream after some games. Someone asked him what he thought of Canadians, and he said something to the effect that he has no issue with Canadians, but there's "something off" about French-Canadians. He seemed pretty disgusted with us. And that's not the first time he was racist to us, when he basically said that Kiwikaki would use a "gay" strategy since he's French-Canadian. That's not to mention all the general BM and flipping off Huk and flipping him off DURING A TOURNAMENT.
But since you insist on the word "currently", all of this is more recent than what Orb has done - and what bad things did Orb currently do? You're just as guilty as EG of having a gross double standard and you know it.
Please don't tell me what I am supposed to be or know. Also, I haven't seen Idra's BM recently, on the contrary, he even ggs out of games, it seems like. If your examples are months ago, then it does not mean "currently" for me. And I don't think BM and flipping people off are on the same level as racist words. I'd be much harsher on EG if I thought it was.
Well Alex Garfield obviously feels homophobia is on the same level, yet IdrA is left in the team while using the word "faggot". The Orb pics were taken from 1 year old VODs. Here's some footage from IdrA from September 5th to 13th.
Kinda funny how in that entire video the word "faggot" wasn't uttered once. At least watch shit before you link it.
"He's French Canadian so he's gunna do fast expand into stupid zealot timing into something else gay." That's racist and homophobic.
"French Canadians... in general... seem a little bit off."
no its not. Its in the same league when someone says: "All Americans are fat". or "The French will surrender like they do all the time" or Asians have small dicks
Its just not hate-driven. its very different from actual real-life impact policies such as: "Gay marriage shouldn't be allowed"
ShcShc, it's a lot more racist than using the word "nigger" out of context. Je viens du Québec aussi. I'm not offended by IdrA's racism toward us anyway, but just think about it, really. -_- come on.
Like I said, Orb: not racist. Idra: dislike of French-Canadians. It's pretty straight forward.
On March 11 2012 03:26 m4inbrain wrote: Okay, to be clear here. I live in germany. For over 30 years now. I tell you, youre talking bullshit. Because you are. I dont care if you have distant relatives here, you obviously dont really talk that much to them (or, they are 17 years old kids who dont give a fuck about anything).
Maybe you should try to talk a bit less, and look a bit more into german politics (where every now and then the theme "nazi" brews up, mostly sided by antisemethics). Of course, people like the NPD (nationaldemocratic party germany/deutschland) wont give a fuck if you call them nazis (at least some, but funny enough, some of them went to court even after being called a nazi). But i invite you to read up on their controversy, after that we talk again. But then per PM please, because that has not really to do with the thread here.
PS: Nazi != Neo-Nazi, maybe you got something mixed up there, because Neo-Nazi is a term oftenly used by news-anchors for example. That does not mean that "nazi" is a fine word here in germany (or getting there).
I do not give a flying fk if you live in Germany or not. I don´t have distant relatives there, my dad is half German and my grandmother is a German as well. Good example of the difference between generations, my grandmother survived Dresden, I don´t even dare talking about nazi´s and that stuff. However my dad simply dislikes it, you see the difference? The fact that you have these 17 year olds that don´t have the same feelings towards the word, just shows it´s losing some of it´s stigma.
If you want to say that calling someone a "nazi" is the same now as it was in the 1960´s, then you are simply ignorant and not worth wasting my time in replying to you. Things are changing, 17 year olds that you claim don´t give a fuck about anything, are more calm about being called "nazi´s" then 17 year old´s would have been 30 years ago. Same thing with 30 year olds, they are also calmer now then they were 30 years ago, simply because some of the stigma has been removed from the word, time has healed the word a bit, although it still holds that "stigma" level in Germany, just like I said in my original post. You act like I am saying that it´s lost all it´s Stigma, I havn´t said that anywhere, I just said it´s lost some of it´s stigma, it´s less "terrible" then it was 30 years ago. If you are unable to fully comprehend English or you just can´t face the fact that the word has lost almost all it´s stigma in most of Europe, and some of it´s stigma in Germany, then I don´t care for your reply´s because there is no point in arguing with someone who can´t just face facts. You can claim 2+3=10 as much as you want, doesn´t make it right.
It´s not, I know plenty Germans that don´t give a shit anymore.
You see what you wrote? There is nothing changing as long as politics and representatives act like they do. Who cares what a 17 years old thinks? Most of the 17s dont even know what the holocaust was, so why should they give a fuck? Is it good now that germany has problems with the social riff-raff and alot of people are uneducated? Why didnt you look up the information i gave you, afraid that it could prove you wrong? I didnt live in the 60s, i lived in the 80s. And from there on (lets take the 90s, because i can remember them pretty clearly) up until now, nothing has changed. And its good that way. And no, it did NOT lost its stigma everywhere else in europe. And i can tell you, i feel offended. Not by "fun-terms" like "grammarnazi" or stuff like that. But if someone tries to insult me by my heritage.
Ill close with this link, use google translate on it. Maybe you get what it actually means, which i honestly dont think. Funny enough that an icelandic guy wants to tell me how things work in the country i was born and live in.
Btw: Nazi will always be an insult. It CANT be not an insult for every sane person. Nazi is a cozyname for "nationalsozialistisch", which in essence mean NSDAP. If you dont know history, its fine, but dont try to lecture someone who actually knows better. Ask your dad where "Nazi" comes from, and if it was okay for him if he would be considered part of that. Other than that, try to look up the informations i gave you - if you dont, youre just a waste of time, sorry to say that.
You are proving my point in every thread I think. I can read that text just fine and it doesn´t proof anything about "nazi" losing it´s stigma.
There is nothing changing as long as politics and representatives act like they do. Who cares what a 17 years old thinks? Most of the 17s dont even know what the holocaust was, so why should they give a fuck?
The fact is that 17 year olds are not as offended by being called nazi´s as 17 year olds were 30 years ago. That matters because these 17 year olds grow up and become 30 year olds one day.
It´s not, I know plenty Germans that don´t give a shit anymore.
What is wrong with that? I know plenty Germans that I call nazi´s and they don´t care and/or throw something back at me. Admittedly, they are all "buddies" of mine, but the statement is still true. And if you can´t handle this true statement, and you base all your answers to me on that statement not the rest of what I wrote, then I say again, don´t care to talk to you because you are first of all not understanding what I´m saying and/or secondly you just talk crap because of your own feelings and/or the political enviroment in Germany, what a joke, the politicians are not either saying "gay" or other words that have even the slightest stigma to them, your arguments are silly and out of context with what i wrote.
Take your time, read my answers again, and then if you still disagree, don´t reply, because you only expose your own ignorance further.
Also, if Nigger is like Nazi here, then this is blown out of proportion. Only people who are "soar" about "nazi" are germans, and even they are starting to not give a shit when called nazi´s.
Sorry mate. Thats bullshit². And yeah, im german.
It´s not, I know plenty Germans that don´t give a shit anymore. The only place where being called a "nazi" is stigmatized, is Germany, and it´s changing slowly. You can face it or not, but it´s just a fact. I have German relatives, and the older you are, the more stigmatized it is, but as I said Germans are changing slowly and it´s becoming less and less stigmatized. There are articles about this, as time goes on, the word Nazi simply starts to have less and less stigma around it, and it´s happening in Germany, just a lot slower then in the rest of EU, but compare being called a nazi today in Germany, and then calling someone a nazi in Germany in the 1960´s, or even mentioning Nazi´s in the 1950´s/1960´s and after you´ve done that you can try again claiming what I said was bullshit.
Careful here. In public, being labled a Nazi is a very big deal here in Germany if you are a public person. Yes, me as a German I don't give a shit in private and when I was in the states, I even joked about the stereotype with my US buddies.
So you are right in a way that in a private environment such as a random ladder game many Germans don't care much if they are called a Nazi, a Nigger or a Retard. In public life it's a whole different story.
On March 11 2012 01:55 Epoch wrote: For all the people that say things like "Eg is making a mistake", "Alex is a hypocrite", and anything similar. It's pretty obvious given the scale of this backlash that he had to fire orb. Orb is nowhere near employable after this and if you can't understand the difference between what orb did and what idra did then why don't you just take a look at the sheer scale of these threads that have been created on the subject. They are HUGE. This is getting way more attention then any bm idra has ever did. So if you can't see that there's a difference then I don't know what to tell you.
The only reason we have such a large thread is because Orb actually got fired. If Idra got kicked off EG for saying faggot we would have a thread that would dwarf this one.
On March 11 2012 02:59 Djzapz wrote: I love that people's definition of "handling this professionally" completely ignores that IdrA currently does significantly worse things and no action is being taken. Professional ye' say? In the scope of making profits, sure.
Care to explain ? What is Idra currently doing that is so bad ? Also I do think this was handled very professionnally, the problem here is that most people seem to think that everything should be handled the same way, whatever the context - professionnal or family like - which is plain wrong.
As I mentioned earlier, Idra has more than once used the words "faggot" during games. Notably, a few months ago, IdrA was answering fan questions on his personal stream after some games. Someone asked him what he thought of Canadians, and he said something to the effect that he has no issue with Canadians, but there's "something off" about French-Canadians. He seemed pretty disgusted with us. And that's not the first time he was racist to us, when he basically said that Kiwikaki would use a "gay" strategy since he's French-Canadian. That's not to mention all the general BM and flipping off Huk and flipping him off DURING A TOURNAMENT.
But since you insist on the word "currently", all of this is more recent than what Orb has done - and what bad things did Orb currently do? You're just as guilty as EG of having a gross double standard and you know it.
Please don't tell me what I am supposed to be or know. Also, I haven't seen Idra's BM recently, on the contrary, he even ggs out of games, it seems like. If your examples are months ago, then it does not mean "currently" for me. And I don't think BM and flipping people off are on the same level as racist words. I'd be much harsher on EG if I thought it was.
Well Alex Garfield obviously feels homophobia is on the same level, yet IdrA is left in the team while using the word "faggot". The Orb pics were taken from 1 year old VODs. Here's some footage from IdrA from September 5th to 13th.
Kinda funny how in that entire video the word "faggot" wasn't uttered once. At least watch shit before you link it.
I didn't say it would contain that neither, the video is just an example of how he can be. He says imbecile, gay, retard. If he says gay in a condescending tone that's homophobia according to you guys right?
NOTE: I don't even care what the fuck IdrA says nor Orb, I don't think either of them should be punished harsly really, I just hate the double standards that EG present here.
Its amusing to me as the game is around longer the more easy people have become offended and the more pitch fork mobs that happen, if this continues imo nobody is going to want to be involved in the SC community.
On March 11 2012 02:59 Djzapz wrote: I love that people's definition of "handling this professionally" completely ignores that IdrA currently does significantly worse things and no action is being taken. Professional ye' say? In the scope of making profits, sure.
Care to explain ? What is Idra currently doing that is so bad ? Also I do think this was handled very professionnally, the problem here is that most people seem to think that everything should be handled the same way, whatever the context - professionnal or family like - which is plain wrong.
As I mentioned earlier, Idra has more than once used the words "faggot" during games. Notably, a few months ago, IdrA was answering fan questions on his personal stream after some games. Someone asked him what he thought of Canadians, and he said something to the effect that he has no issue with Canadians, but there's "something off" about French-Canadians. He seemed pretty disgusted with us. And that's not the first time he was racist to us, when he basically said that Kiwikaki would use a "gay" strategy since he's French-Canadian. That's not to mention all the general BM and flipping off Huk and flipping him off DURING A TOURNAMENT.
But since you insist on the word "currently", all of this is more recent than what Orb has done - and what bad things did Orb currently do? You're just as guilty as EG of having a gross double standard and you know it.
Please don't tell me what I am supposed to be or know. Also, I haven't seen Idra's BM recently, on the contrary, he even ggs out of games, it seems like. If your examples are months ago, then it does not mean "currently" for me. And I don't think BM and flipping people off are on the same level as racist words. I'd be much harsher on EG if I thought it was.
Well Alex Garfield obviously feels homophobia is on the same level, yet IdrA is left in the team while using the word "faggot". The Orb pics were taken from 1 year old VODs. Here's some footage from IdrA from September 5th to 13th.
Kinda funny how in that entire video the word "faggot" wasn't uttered once. At least watch shit before you link it.
I didn't say it would contain that neither, the video is just an example of how he can be. He says imbecile, gay, retard. If he says gay in a condescending tone that's homophobia according to you guys right?
NOTE: I don't even care what the fuck IdrA says nor Orb, I don't think either of them should be punished harsly really, I just hate the double standards that EG present here.
What you seem to fail to understand is the fact that IdrA is a popular player, with a large hater/fanbase who brings in a large amount of viewers with his games and antics. Orb can't say the same, its pretty simple really. With the pressure on sponsors Orb was taking more from EG than he was giving with his behavior.
Business is business sometimes, and this fact alone is valid reason to fire him.
On March 11 2012 02:59 Djzapz wrote: I love that people's definition of "handling this professionally" completely ignores that IdrA currently does significantly worse things and no action is being taken. Professional ye' say? In the scope of making profits, sure.
Care to explain ? What is Idra currently doing that is so bad ? Also I do think this was handled very professionnally, the problem here is that most people seem to think that everything should be handled the same way, whatever the context - professionnal or family like - which is plain wrong.
As I mentioned earlier, Idra has more than once used the words "faggot" during games. Notably, a few months ago, IdrA was answering fan questions on his personal stream after some games. Someone asked him what he thought of Canadians, and he said something to the effect that he has no issue with Canadians, but there's "something off" about French-Canadians. He seemed pretty disgusted with us. And that's not the first time he was racist to us, when he basically said that Kiwikaki would use a "gay" strategy since he's French-Canadian. That's not to mention all the general BM and flipping off Huk and flipping him off DURING A TOURNAMENT.
But since you insist on the word "currently", all of this is more recent than what Orb has done - and what bad things did Orb currently do? You're just as guilty as EG of having a gross double standard and you know it.
Please don't tell me what I am supposed to be or know. Also, I haven't seen Idra's BM recently, on the contrary, he even ggs out of games, it seems like. If your examples are months ago, then it does not mean "currently" for me. And I don't think BM and flipping people off are on the same level as racist words. I'd be much harsher on EG if I thought it was.
Well Alex Garfield obviously feels homophobia is on the same level, yet IdrA is left in the team while using the word "faggot". The Orb pics were taken from 1 year old VODs. Here's some footage from IdrA from September 5th to 13th.
Kinda funny how in that entire video the word "faggot" wasn't uttered once. At least watch shit before you link it.
I didn't say it would contain that neither, the video is just an example of how he can be. He says imbecile, gay, retard. If he says gay in a condescending tone that's homophobia according to you guys right?
NOTE: I don't even care what the fuck IdrA says nor Orb, I don't think either of them should be punished harsly really, I just hate the double standards that EG present here.
What you seem to fail to understand is the fact that IdrA is a popular player, with a large hater/fanbase who brings in a large amount of viewers with his games and antics. Orb can't say the same, its pretty simple really. With the pressure on sponsors Orb was taking more from EG than he was giving with his behavior.
That doesn't mean that double-standards are gone out the window.
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