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On March 11 2012 01:16 Otak wrote: Situation completely blown out of proportion. Why do you think that the word nigger is such a big deal? It's a word and they only have meaning if you let them.
We know you had to save face in front of your sponsors but don't make out like you actually care THAT much about the words nigger or faggot.
And if you do, well....
if you honestly took the time to read the whole post ( which I am 90% certain you did not ) I think you would understand that (he does care that much)
I read the whole thing and in my opinion it's complete horseshit - it was purely to please sponsors in my mind and it would take more than a wall of text to convince me otherwise.
Also, if Nigger is like Nazi here, then this is blown out of proportion. Only people who are "soar" about "nazi" are germans, and even they are starting to not give a shit when called nazi´s.
Sorry mate. Thats bullshit². And yeah, im german.
It´s not, I know plenty Germans that don´t give a shit anymore. The only place where being called a "nazi" is stigmatized, is Germany, and it´s changing slowly. You can face it or not, but it´s just a fact. I have German relatives, and the older you are, the more stigmatized it is, but as I said Germans are changing slowly and it´s becoming less and less stigmatized. There are articles about this, as time goes on, the word Nazi simply starts to have less and less stigma around it, and it´s happening in Germany, just a lot slower then in the rest of EU, but compare being called a nazi today in Germany, and then calling someone a nazi in Germany in the 1960´s, or even mentioning Nazi´s in the 1950´s/1960´s and after you´ve done that you can try again claiming what I said was bullshit.
Okay, to be clear here. I live in germany. For over 30 years now. I tell you, youre talking bullshit. Because you are. I dont care if you have distant relatives here, you obviously dont really talk that much to them (or, they are 17 years old kids who dont give a fuck about anything).
Maybe you should try to talk a bit less, and look a bit more into german politics (where every now and then the theme "nazi" brews up, mostly sided by antisemethics). Of course, people like the NPD (nationaldemocratic party germany/deutschland) wont give a fuck if you call them nazis (at least some, but funny enough, some of them went to court even after being called a nazi). But i invite you to read up on their controversy, after that we talk again. But then per PM please, because that has not really to do with the thread here.
PS: Nazi != Neo-Nazi, maybe you got something mixed up there, because Neo-Nazi is a term oftenly used by news-anchors for example. That does not mean that "nazi" is a fine word here in germany (or getting there).
On March 11 2012 02:59 Djzapz wrote: I love that people's definition of "handling this professionally" completely ignores that IdrA currently does significantly worse things and no action is being taken. Professional ye' say? In the scope of making profits, sure.
Care to explain ? What is Idra currently doing that is so bad ? Also I do think this was handled very professionnally, the problem here is that most people seem to think that everything should be handled the same way, whatever the context - professionnal or family like - which is plain wrong.
EDIT : Let me rephrase that. Joking around with friends (which orb did not) in one thing, and in that context I could not care less about the use of some words, but you should be prepared to be punished should it be known.
On March 11 2012 02:59 Djzapz wrote: I love that people's definition of "handling this professionally" completely ignores that IdrA currently does significantly worse things and no action is being taken. Professional ye' say? In the scope of making profits, sure.
Care to explain ? What is Idra currently doing that is so bad ? Also I do think this was handled very professionnally, the problem here is that most people seem to think that everything should be handled the same way, whatever the context - professionnal or family like - which is plain wrong.
What has Orb done currently that warranted the firing?
On March 11 2012 02:59 Djzapz wrote: I love that people's definition of "handling this professionally" completely ignores that IdrA currently does significantly worse things and no action is being taken. Professional ye' say? In the scope of making profits, sure.
Care to explain ? What is Idra currently doing that is so bad ? Also I do think this was handled very professionnally, the problem here is that most people seem to think that everything should be handled the same way, whatever the context - professionnal or family like - which is plain wrong.
What has Orb done currently that warranted the firing?
On March 11 2012 02:59 Djzapz wrote: I love that people's definition of "handling this professionally" completely ignores that IdrA currently does significantly worse things and no action is being taken. Professional ye' say? In the scope of making profits, sure.
Care to explain ? What is Idra currently doing that is so bad ? Also I do think this was handled very professionnally, the problem here is that most people seem to think that everything should be handled the same way, whatever the context - professionnal or family like - which is plain wrong.
What has Orb done currently that warranted the firing?
On March 11 2012 02:59 Djzapz wrote: I love that people's definition of "handling this professionally" completely ignores that IdrA currently does significantly worse things and no action is being taken. Professional ye' say? In the scope of making profits, sure.
Care to explain ? What is Idra currently doing that is so bad ? Also I do think this was handled very professionnally, the problem here is that most people seem to think that everything should be handled the same way, whatever the context - professionnal or family like - which is plain wrong.
As I mentioned earlier, Idra has more than once used the words "faggot" during games. Notably, a few months ago, IdrA was answering fan questions on his personal stream after some games. Someone asked him what he thought of Canadians, and he said something to the effect that he has no issue with Canadians, but there's "something off" about French-Canadians. He seemed pretty disgusted with us. And that's not the first time he was racist to us, when he basically said that Kiwikaki would use a "gay" strategy since he's French-Canadian. That's not to mention all the general BM and flipping off Huk and flipping him off DURING A TOURNAMENT.
But since you insist on the word "currently", all of this is more recent than what Orb has done - and what bad things did Orb currently do? You're just as guilty as EG of having a gross double standard and you know it.
I understand. Really, I was once booted from a guild in WoW because I said something absurd in trade chat.
The main thing to be considered here, is that not every adult out there will take kindly to seeing their peers BM. The other thing is that this is a learning lesson for Orb. He's very critical and often overly harsh after each match he casts, so seeing this kind of behavior just explains more about himself then anything.
I bm sometimes, and 100% of the times it's a reflection of my own self frustration.
On March 11 2012 02:59 Djzapz wrote: I love that people's definition of "handling this professionally" completely ignores that IdrA currently does significantly worse things and no action is being taken. Professional ye' say? In the scope of making profits, sure.
Care to explain ? What is Idra currently doing that is so bad ? Also I do think this was handled very professionnally, the problem here is that most people seem to think that everything should be handled the same way, whatever the context - professionnal or family like - which is plain wrong.
As I mentioned earlier, Idra has more than once used the words "faggot" during games. Notably, a few months ago, IdrA was answering fan questions on his personal stream after some games. Someone asked him what he thought of Canadians, and he said something to the effect that he has no issue with Canadians, but there's "something off" about French-Canadians. He seemed pretty disgusted with us. And that's not the first time he was racist to us, when he basically said that Kiwikaki would use a "gay" strategy since he's French-Canadian. That's not to mention all the general BM and flipping off Huk and flipping him off DURING A TOURNAMENT.
But since you insist on the word "currently", all of this is more recent than what Orb has done - and what bad things did Orb currently do? You're just as guilty as EG of having a gross double standard and you know it.
Please don't tell me what I am supposed to be or know. Also, I haven't seen Idra's BM recently, on the contrary, he even ggs out of games, it seems like. If your examples are months ago, then it does not mean "currently" for me. And I don't think BM and flipping people off are on the same level as racist words. I'd be much harsher on EG if I thought it was.
EDIT : As for homophobic words, I hate them, but I don't think "faggot" has the same weight as "nigger", however bad it still is.
On March 11 2012 02:59 Djzapz wrote: I love that people's definition of "handling this professionally" completely ignores that IdrA currently does significantly worse things and no action is being taken. Professional ye' say? In the scope of making profits, sure.
Care to explain ? What is Idra currently doing that is so bad ? Also I do think this was handled very professionnally, the problem here is that most people seem to think that everything should be handled the same way, whatever the context - professionnal or family like - which is plain wrong.
As I mentioned earlier, Idra has more than once used the words "faggot" during games. Notably, a few months ago, IdrA was answering fan questions on his personal stream after some games. Someone asked him what he thought of Canadians, and he said something to the effect that he has no issue with Canadians, but there's "something off" about French-Canadians. He seemed pretty disgusted with us. And that's not the first time he was racist to us, when he basically said that Kiwikaki would use a "gay" strategy since he's French-Canadian. That's not to mention all the general BM and flipping off Huk and flipping him off DURING A TOURNAMENT.
But since you insist on the word "currently", all of this is more recent than what Orb has done - and what bad things did Orb currently do? You're just as guilty as EG of having a gross double standard and you know it.
Please don't tell me what I am supposed to be or know. Also, I haven't seen Idra's BM recently, on the contrary, he even ggs out of games, it seems like. If your examples are months ago, then it does not mean "currently" for me. And I don't think BM and flipping people off are on the same level as racist words. I'd be much harsher on EG if I thought it was.
How do you reach such a level of delusion where the usage of the word "nigger" OUT OF CONTEXT a year ago is worse than the obvious hatred of French-Canadians a few months ago?
Are French-Canadians that fucking irrelevant to you?
"Nigger" out of context is an irrelevant word. Hatred of my people is a negative sentiment, which actually matters. Orb doesn't dislike black people. IdrA openly hates French-Canadians.
On March 11 2012 02:59 Djzapz wrote: I love that people's definition of "handling this professionally" completely ignores that IdrA currently does significantly worse things and no action is being taken. Professional ye' say? In the scope of making profits, sure.
Care to explain ? What is Idra currently doing that is so bad ? Also I do think this was handled very professionnally, the problem here is that most people seem to think that everything should be handled the same way, whatever the context - professionnal or family like - which is plain wrong.
As I mentioned earlier, Idra has more than once used the words "faggot" during games. Notably, a few months ago, IdrA was answering fan questions on his personal stream after some games. Someone asked him what he thought of Canadians, and he said something to the effect that he has no issue with Canadians, but there's "something off" about French-Canadians. He seemed pretty disgusted with us. And that's not the first time he was racist to us, when he basically said that Kiwikaki would use a "gay" strategy since he's French-Canadian. That's not to mention all the general BM and flipping off Huk and flipping him off DURING A TOURNAMENT.
But since you insist on the word "currently", all of this is more recent than what Orb has done - and what bad things did Orb currently do? You're just as guilty as EG of having a gross double standard and you know it.
Please don't tell me what I am supposed to be or know. Also, I haven't seen Idra's BM recently, on the contrary, he even ggs out of games, it seems like. If your examples are months ago, then it does not mean "currently" for me. And I don't think BM and flipping people off are on the same level as racist words. I'd be much harsher on EG if I thought it was.
Well Alex Garfield obviously feels homophobia is on the same level, yet IdrA is left in the team while using the word "faggot". The Orb pics were taken from 1 year old VODs. Here's some footage from IdrA from September 5th to 13th.
On March 11 2012 02:59 Djzapz wrote: I love that people's definition of "handling this professionally" completely ignores that IdrA currently does significantly worse things and no action is being taken. Professional ye' say? In the scope of making profits, sure.
Care to explain ? What is Idra currently doing that is so bad ? Also I do think this was handled very professionnally, the problem here is that most people seem to think that everything should be handled the same way, whatever the context - professionnal or family like - which is plain wrong.
As I mentioned earlier, Idra has more than once used the words "faggot" during games. Notably, a few months ago, IdrA was answering fan questions on his personal stream after some games. Someone asked him what he thought of Canadians, and he said something to the effect that he has no issue with Canadians, but there's "something off" about French-Canadians. He seemed pretty disgusted with us. And that's not the first time he was racist to us, when he basically said that Kiwikaki would use a "gay" strategy since he's French-Canadian. That's not to mention all the general BM and flipping off Huk and flipping him off DURING A TOURNAMENT.
But since you insist on the word "currently", all of this is more recent than what Orb has done - and what bad things did Orb currently do? You're just as guilty as EG of having a gross double standard and you know it.
Please don't tell me what I am supposed to be or know. Also, I haven't seen Idra's BM recently, on the contrary, he even ggs out of games, it seems like. If your examples are months ago, then it does not mean "currently" for me. And I don't think BM and flipping people off are on the same level as racist words. I'd be much harsher on EG if I thought it was.
Are you intentionally only reading and commenting on the parts without the blatant "racism?" This entire post is about how Idra is BM and racist and you only ackowledge the part about him flipping someone off and say that wasn't racist. That's like looking at Orb saying "you nigger maphacker bitch" and saying well he called him a map hacker, that's not racist. WTF dude?
edit- changed about to without in first part cause I'm an idiot.
On March 11 2012 02:59 Djzapz wrote: I love that people's definition of "handling this professionally" completely ignores that IdrA currently does significantly worse things and no action is being taken. Professional ye' say? In the scope of making profits, sure.
Care to explain ? What is Idra currently doing that is so bad ? Also I do think this was handled very professionnally, the problem here is that most people seem to think that everything should be handled the same way, whatever the context - professionnal or family like - which is plain wrong.
As I mentioned earlier, Idra has more than once used the words "faggot" during games. Notably, a few months ago, IdrA was answering fan questions on his personal stream after some games. Someone asked him what he thought of Canadians, and he said something to the effect that he has no issue with Canadians, but there's "something off" about French-Canadians. He seemed pretty disgusted with us. And that's not the first time he was racist to us, when he basically said that Kiwikaki would use a "gay" strategy since he's French-Canadian. That's not to mention all the general BM and flipping off Huk and flipping him off DURING A TOURNAMENT.
But since you insist on the word "currently", all of this is more recent than what Orb has done - and what bad things did Orb currently do? You're just as guilty as EG of having a gross double standard and you know it.
Please don't tell me what I am supposed to be or know. Also, I haven't seen Idra's BM recently, on the contrary, he even ggs out of games, it seems like. If your examples are months ago, then it does not mean "currently" for me. And I don't think BM and flipping people off are on the same level as racist words. I'd be much harsher on EG if I thought it was.
How do you reach such a level of delusion where the usage of the word "nigger" OUT OF CONTEXT a year ago is worse than the obvious hatred of French-Canadians a few months ago?
Are French-Canadians that fucking irrelevant to you?
"Nigger" out of context is an irrelevant word. Hatred of my people is a negative sentiment, which actually matters. Orb doesn't dislike black people. IdrA openly hates French-Canadians.
First of all, "nigger" has a context for orb, he clearly used the word to look down on someone he is angry with. So there's all the context I need. If he used it to say hi to a friend "what's up nigger", context would be different because he didn't use it to look down on someone. Second, I remember Idra speaking on French Canadians, but I did not hear it as open hatred like you present it.
That came across as a little pretentious. I can't tell what you actually believe and what you want us to hear. It really sounded like a robot was reading directly out of a human resource manual for risk management.
I understand your choice to remove Orb and I've got no pitchforks about that, but to make this post when IdrA had been running his mouth against gays prior to signing with EG and kept that up until recently shows the reality of the situation and that is: Orb was expendable.
On March 11 2012 02:59 Djzapz wrote: I love that people's definition of "handling this professionally" completely ignores that IdrA currently does significantly worse things and no action is being taken. Professional ye' say? In the scope of making profits, sure.
Care to explain ? What is Idra currently doing that is so bad ? Also I do think this was handled very professionnally, the problem here is that most people seem to think that everything should be handled the same way, whatever the context - professionnal or family like - which is plain wrong.
As I mentioned earlier, Idra has more than once used the words "faggot" during games. Notably, a few months ago, IdrA was answering fan questions on his personal stream after some games. Someone asked him what he thought of Canadians, and he said something to the effect that he has no issue with Canadians, but there's "something off" about French-Canadians. He seemed pretty disgusted with us. And that's not the first time he was racist to us, when he basically said that Kiwikaki would use a "gay" strategy since he's French-Canadian. That's not to mention all the general BM and flipping off Huk and flipping him off DURING A TOURNAMENT.
But since you insist on the word "currently", all of this is more recent than what Orb has done - and what bad things did Orb currently do? You're just as guilty as EG of having a gross double standard and you know it.
Please don't tell me what I am supposed to be or know. Also, I haven't seen Idra's BM recently, on the contrary, he even ggs out of games, it seems like. If your examples are months ago, then it does not mean "currently" for me. And I don't think BM and flipping people off are on the same level as racist words. I'd be much harsher on EG if I thought it was.
How do you reach such a level of delusion where the usage of the word "nigger" OUT OF CONTEXT a year ago is worse than the obvious hatred of French-Canadians a few months ago?
Are French-Canadians that fucking irrelevant to you?
"Nigger" out of context is an irrelevant word. Hatred of my people is a negative sentiment, which actually matters. Orb doesn't dislike black people. IdrA openly hates French-Canadians.
First of all, "nigger" has a context for orb, he clearly used the word to look down on someone he is angry with. So there's all the context I need. If he used it to say hi to a friend "what's up nigger", context would be different because he didn't use it to look down on someone. Second, I remember Idra speaking on French Canadians, but I did not hear it as open hatred like you present it.
Clearly, huh? The game where it was said the person on the other team called him a nigger SIX (6) times before he responded. To say he clearly used it in any specific way is just speculation. I don't know about you, but one thing I notice when I'm playing HoN is that if one person calls another "kid" or "noob" or "_insert_word_here_" the most common response is whatever the first offender said. I think you're drawing conclusions that are impossible to do. It's people like you who keep words like nigger in the forefront. Getting all hot and sweaty anytime someone says it so you can get all agitated and flail your arms around.
On March 11 2012 02:59 Djzapz wrote: I love that people's definition of "handling this professionally" completely ignores that IdrA currently does significantly worse things and no action is being taken. Professional ye' say? In the scope of making profits, sure.
Care to explain ? What is Idra currently doing that is so bad ? Also I do think this was handled very professionnally, the problem here is that most people seem to think that everything should be handled the same way, whatever the context - professionnal or family like - which is plain wrong.
What has Orb done currently that warranted the firing?
You don't seem to understand that orb CURRENTLY lied about his BMing, he CURRENTLY did the BMing that he lied about even after being proven that it was him, and he CURRENTLY called everyone that was calling him out on it slandering retards.
On March 11 2012 03:26 m4inbrain wrote: Okay, to be clear here. I live in germany. For over 30 years now. I tell you, youre talking bullshit. Because you are. I dont care if you have distant relatives here, you obviously dont really talk that much to them (or, they are 17 years old kids who dont give a fuck about anything).
Maybe you should try to talk a bit less, and look a bit more into german politics (where every now and then the theme "nazi" brews up, mostly sided by antisemethics). Of course, people like the NPD (nationaldemocratic party germany/deutschland) wont give a fuck if you call them nazis (at least some, but funny enough, some of them went to court even after being called a nazi). But i invite you to read up on their controversy, after that we talk again. But then per PM please, because that has not really to do with the thread here.
PS: Nazi != Neo-Nazi, maybe you got something mixed up there, because Neo-Nazi is a term oftenly used by news-anchors for example. That does not mean that "nazi" is a fine word here in germany (or getting there).
I do not give a flying fk if you live in Germany or not. I don´t have distant relatives there, my dad is half German and my grandmother is a German as well. Good example of the difference between generations, my grandmother survived Dresden, I don´t even dare talking about nazi´s and that stuff to her. However my dad simply dislikes it, you see the difference? The fact that you have these 17 year olds that don´t have the same feelings towards the word, just shows it´s losing some of it´s stigma.
If you want to say that calling someone a "nazi" is the same now as it was in the 1960´s, then you are simply ignorant and not worth wasting my time in replying to you. Things are changing, 17 year olds that you claim don´t give a fuck about anything, are more calm about being called "nazi´s" then 17 year old´s would have been 30 years ago. Same thing with 30 year olds, they are also calmer now then they were 30 years ago, simply because some of the stigma has been removed from the word, time has healed the word a bit, although it still holds that "stigma" level in Germany, just like I said in my original post. You act like I am saying that it´s lost all it´s Stigma, I havn´t said that anywhere, I just said it´s lost some of it´s stigma, it´s less "terrible" then it was 30 years ago. If you are unable to fully comprehend English or you just can´t face the fact that the word has lost almost all it´s stigma in most of Europe, and some of it´s stigma in Germany, then I don´t care for your reply´s because there is no point in arguing with someone who can´t just face facts. You can claim 2+3=10 as much as you want, doesn´t make it right.
On March 11 2012 02:59 Djzapz wrote: I love that people's definition of "handling this professionally" completely ignores that IdrA currently does significantly worse things and no action is being taken. Professional ye' say? In the scope of making profits, sure.
Care to explain ? What is Idra currently doing that is so bad ? Also I do think this was handled very professionnally, the problem here is that most people seem to think that everything should be handled the same way, whatever the context - professionnal or family like - which is plain wrong.
As I mentioned earlier, Idra has more than once used the words "faggot" during games. Notably, a few months ago, IdrA was answering fan questions on his personal stream after some games. Someone asked him what he thought of Canadians, and he said something to the effect that he has no issue with Canadians, but there's "something off" about French-Canadians. He seemed pretty disgusted with us. And that's not the first time he was racist to us, when he basically said that Kiwikaki would use a "gay" strategy since he's French-Canadian. That's not to mention all the general BM and flipping off Huk and flipping him off DURING A TOURNAMENT.
But since you insist on the word "currently", all of this is more recent than what Orb has done - and what bad things did Orb currently do? You're just as guilty as EG of having a gross double standard and you know it.
Please don't tell me what I am supposed to be or know. Also, I haven't seen Idra's BM recently, on the contrary, he even ggs out of games, it seems like. If your examples are months ago, then it does not mean "currently" for me. And I don't think BM and flipping people off are on the same level as racist words. I'd be much harsher on EG if I thought it was.
How do you reach such a level of delusion where the usage of the word "nigger" OUT OF CONTEXT a year ago is worse than the obvious hatred of French-Canadians a few months ago?
Are French-Canadians that fucking irrelevant to you?
"Nigger" out of context is an irrelevant word. Hatred of my people is a negative sentiment, which actually matters. Orb doesn't dislike black people. IdrA openly hates French-Canadians.
First of all, "nigger" has a context for orb, he clearly used the word to look down on someone he is angry with. So there's all the context I need. If he used it to say hi to a friend "what's up nigger", context would be different because he didn't use it to look down on someone. Second, I remember Idra speaking on French Canadians, but I did not hear it as open hatred like you present it.
Well I hear what Idra said as outright hatred or at the VERY LEAST dislike of French Canadians. Meanwhile, you're right - Orb used the word to look down on someone. But it was an interchangeable term, which could also have been: cunt, dick, asshole, faggot, etc.
If you see a sentiment of hatred of black people in Orb's, I think you're wrong. I call people faggots, and I'm not a homophobe. Meanwhile, IdrA is truly racist toward French Canadians, and you're deluded if you don't see that.
Orb: Not racist, got fired Idra: At least a little racist, not fired
And if you took a minute to think about why you feel the way you do, you'd understand that it's because you're conditioned to be especially disgusted by the word nigger.
On March 11 2012 02:59 Djzapz wrote: I love that people's definition of "handling this professionally" completely ignores that IdrA currently does significantly worse things and no action is being taken. Professional ye' say? In the scope of making profits, sure.
Care to explain ? What is Idra currently doing that is so bad ? Also I do think this was handled very professionnally, the problem here is that most people seem to think that everything should be handled the same way, whatever the context - professionnal or family like - which is plain wrong.
What has Orb done currently that warranted the firing?
You don't seem to understand that orb CURRENTLY lied about his BMing, he CURRENTLY did the BMing that he lied about even after being proven that it was him, and he CURRENTLY called everyone that was calling him out on it slandering retards.
Lied about BM? Dude, not even the president of the US got fired for lying while in office, so please take your righteous indignation bullshit someplace else.
And Orb did the BMin 1 year ago, while he was not emplyoed by EG.
On March 11 2012 03:26 m4inbrain wrote: Okay, to be clear here. I live in germany. For over 30 years now. I tell you, youre talking bullshit. Because you are. I dont care if you have distant relatives here, you obviously dont really talk that much to them (or, they are 17 years old kids who dont give a fuck about anything).
Maybe you should try to talk a bit less, and look a bit more into german politics (where every now and then the theme "nazi" brews up, mostly sided by antisemethics). Of course, people like the NPD (nationaldemocratic party germany/deutschland) wont give a fuck if you call them nazis (at least some, but funny enough, some of them went to court even after being called a nazi). But i invite you to read up on their controversy, after that we talk again. But then per PM please, because that has not really to do with the thread here.
PS: Nazi != Neo-Nazi, maybe you got something mixed up there, because Neo-Nazi is a term oftenly used by news-anchors for example. That does not mean that "nazi" is a fine word here in germany (or getting there).
I do not give a flying fk if you live in Germany or not. I don´t have distant relatives there, my dad is half German and my grandmother is a German as well. Good example of the difference between generations, my grandmother survived Dresden, I don´t even dare talking about nazi´s and that stuff. However my dad simply dislikes it, you see the difference? The fact that you have these 17 year olds that don´t have the same feelings towards the word, just shows it´s losing some of it´s stigma.
If you want to say that calling someone a "nazi" is the same now as it was in the 1960´s, then you are simply ignorant and not worth wasting my time in replying to you. Things are changing, 17 year olds that you claim don´t give a fuck about anything, are more calm about being called "nazi´s" then 17 year old´s would have been 30 years ago. Same thing with 30 year olds, they are also calmer now then they were 30 years ago, simply because some of the stigma has been removed from the word, time has healed the word a bit, although it still holds that "stigma" level in Germany, just like I said in my original post. You act like I am saying that it´s lost all it´s Stigma, I havn´t said that anywhere, I just said it´s lost some of it´s stigma, it´s less "terrible" then it was 30 years ago. If you are unable to fully comprehend English or you just can´t face the fact that the word has lost almost all it´s stigma in most of Europe, and some of it´s stigma in Germany, then I don´t care for your reply´s because there is no point in arguing with someone who can´t just face facts. You can claim 2+3=10 as much as you want, doesn´t make it right.
My wife is sensitive to being called a Nazi. To her family at least, it is extremely offensive. Her grandfather had his entire family taken from him and put in a concentration camp. he was told if he didn't fight for the Nazi's they would all be killed so he joined the Nazi's and fought the allies. Over half of his family died while in concentration camps. They are still slandered for the choice to fight for the Nazi's and are all very sensitve to it. There are a lot more families with similar situations and I'm sure that they are still upset about the term. My wife wasn't allive and never met the ones who killed her family but it still bothers her. there are still a lot of people alive today that would have much larger families if it wasn't for the Nazi party so I'm sure that most people still hate it when you call them that.
On March 11 2012 02:59 Djzapz wrote: I love that people's definition of "handling this professionally" completely ignores that IdrA currently does significantly worse things and no action is being taken. Professional ye' say? In the scope of making profits, sure.
Care to explain ? What is Idra currently doing that is so bad ? Also I do think this was handled very professionnally, the problem here is that most people seem to think that everything should be handled the same way, whatever the context - professionnal or family like - which is plain wrong.
What has Orb done currently that warranted the firing?
You don't seem to understand that orb CURRENTLY lied about his BMing, he CURRENTLY did the BMing that he lied about even after being proven that it was him, and he CURRENTLY called everyone that was calling him out on it slandering retards.
Lied about BM? Dude, not even the president of the US got fired for lying while in office, so please take your righteous indignation bullshit someplace else.
And Orb did the BMin 1 year ago, while he was not emplyoed by EG.
Because the president is treated differently. If you have a job right now, go do something that would piss off your employer, and lie about it, and then see how long you last. And from what I read the BM that he lied about isn't 1 year old, but was actually after he joined EG, he just lied about it being him and pretended like it was someone else.
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