EPTOn March 08 2012 07:26 GenesisX wrote:
Why did Sen forfeit?
Why did Sen forfeit?
SEn doesn't live in korea, he has matches of TeSL in Taiwan every weekend.
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okcall
Taiwan28 Posts
SEn doesn't live in korea, he has matches of TeSL in Taiwan every weekend. | ||
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Mordiford
4448 Posts
The GSL's invites are honestly embarrassing at this point, it just shits on the value of competition. The other guys that lost in the first round of Code A? Haha, sucks that you're not white! Regardless of whether the Korean players appear to be fine with it, it's not fair competition. You're giving someone something that they failed to get, in the very season that they failed to get it. Nothing against Huk, but him getting a free spot in the Up/Downs after losing the very sets that get you to the Up/Downs is idiotic. | ||
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Markwerf
Netherlands3728 Posts
On March 09 2012 02:10 Mordiford wrote: Lose in the first round of Code A, still make it to Up/Downs. The GSL's invites are honestly embarrassing at this point, it just shits on the value of competition. The other guys that lost in the first round of Code A? Haha, sucks that you're not white! Regardless of whether the Korean players appear to be fine with it, it's not fair competition. You're giving someone something that they failed to get, in the very season that they failed to get it. Nothing against Huk, but him getting a free spot in the Up/Downs after losing the very sets that get you to the Up/Downs is idiotic. Any big competition in the world has unfair placing to provide for a more varied field of competitors. So it is a little unfair but the overall competition will be more attractive as a result and the best players are still present.. | ||
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Mordiford
4448 Posts
On March 09 2012 02:13 Markwerf wrote: Any big competition in the world has unfair placing to provide for a more varied field of competitors. So it is a little unfair but the overall competition will be more attractive as a result and the best players are still present.. I'm not entirely sure about that, generally the competitions I follow are somewhat of a meritocracy. Also, it's one thing to have say, a singled out spot for NA through a qualifier, or something of that nature, and entirely different to arbitrarily hand out spots to players. Huk lost this season, this very season he dropped out of Code A, and now he's getting the reward that everyone else who dropped out was working for. So basically, his ro48 match didn't even matter, he got to the Up/Downs anyway. | ||
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tapk69
Portugal264 Posts
Huk is in Korea for quite a while , its much harder to be a foreigner in Korea playing a 2 month tourney than a Korean coming to Europe to own some dudes during 2 days by playing like they play on ladder.. The language barrier must be quite insane there , not having your friends and family present is so hard for young people. Not even GOMTV wants a Korean Overdose , that would be the nail in the coffin of the GSL in Europe and USA. He deserves the spot in the up/downs (you may even name him the Sen replacement ) , i would understand the rage if he went directly to Code S but he still has to play and qualify ... Korea vs World much better for everyone , even Koreans .. | ||
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tapk69
Portugal264 Posts
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Mordiford
4448 Posts
On March 09 2012 02:28 tapk69 wrote: Ok so Huk lost and you want him in Code B? Huk is in Korea for quite a while , its much harder to be a foreigner in Korea playing a 2 month tourney than a Korean coming to Europe to own some dudes during 2 days by playing like they play on ladder.. The language barrier must be quite insane there , not having your friends and family present is so hard for young people. Not even GOMTV wants a Korean Overdose , that would be the nail in the coffin of the GSL in Europe and USA. He deserves the spot in the up/downs (you may even name him the Sen replacement ) , i would understand the rage if he went directly to Code S but he still has to play and qualify ... Korea vs World much better for everyone , even Koreans .. Not sure what coming to Europe for short tournaments has to do with anything, we're not talking about an exchange program or anything at this point. Yes, Huk lost so I want him to be in Code B for this season, he can attempt to qualify for Code A next season, just like everyone else who lost in the Ro48. You don't see a problem with him failing to win the set that everyone who got into the Up/Downs won, and getting into the Up/Downs anyway? It's ridiculously unfair, if he won that set, tough luck for his opponent they have to play Code B, if he loses, doesn't matter he gets the same reward anyways. Yes, being in a foreign country for extended periods of time is hard, but once again I don't see how that's relevant. He's living in Korea, he has the same access to the GSL as other people. The invites to various qualifiers(direct Code S invites seem retarded to me in every regard) initially made sense to me as a way of bringing in foreigners who didn't live in Korea and didn't want to make the trip just to risk playing in Code B, a Code A or Up/Down invite for good performance abroad allows them to bypass that. Huk's case makes no sense other than, "Life's hard, give him a seed". | ||
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shockaslim
United States1104 Posts
On March 09 2012 02:28 tapk69 wrote: Ok so Huk lost and you want him in Code B? Huk is in Korea for quite a while , its much harder to be a foreigner in Korea playing a 2 month tourney than a Korean coming to Europe to own some dudes during 2 days by playing like they play on ladder.. The language barrier must be quite insane there , not having your friends and family present is so hard for young people. Not even GOMTV wants a Korean Overdose , that would be the nail in the coffin of the GSL in Europe and USA. He deserves the spot in the up/downs (you may even name him the Sen replacement ) , i would understand the rage if he went directly to Code S but he still has to play and qualify ... Korea vs World much better for everyone , even Koreans .. I think it's rage worthy now that he gets to go into up and downs. He has been in GSL longer than A LOT of Koreans, yet he gets a special seeding because he is a foreigner? Sorry, Huk's my dude but that straight up isn't fair and he doesn't deserve anything. He dropped out just like everyone else in code A, he can re-qualify like they have to as well. | ||
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vandelayindustries
United States290 Posts
On March 09 2012 02:31 tapk69 wrote: European Champions Cup also gives spots to newbie clubs , and for a champions league most of the clubs present there were 3th , 4th even 5th in their home competitions ... So we could also say they give spots to clubs that aren´t the real best of Europe , and there are better clubs in the Uefa cup than champions sometimes. The competition wasn't always structured to allow non-champions though—that was something that happened due to the influx of money in the sport... Some would argue that it has lost some of its integrity. | ||
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Tarotis
Germany1931 Posts
On March 09 2012 02:38 shockaslim wrote: I think it's rage worthy now that he gets to go into up and downs. He has been in GSL longer than A LOT of Koreans, yet he gets a special seeding because he is a foreigner? Sorry, Huk's my dude but that straight up isn't fair and he doesn't deserve anything. He dropped out just like everyone else in code A, he can re-qualify like they have to as well. He thinks just like you did (atleast he tweeted that. However, with EG being abig busieness, he probably wasn't allowed to say no. | ||
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tapk69
Portugal264 Posts
Just accept this , because GSL with koreans only will have much less foreigner viewers and interest .. I dont see the Korean crowd compensating for the foreigner crowd if this happened. | ||
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zezamer
Finland5701 Posts
On March 09 2012 02:28 tapk69 wrote: Korea vs World much better for everyone , even Koreans .. I'd rather see good korean vs korean match than a foreigner vs korean match where the foreigner gets stomped. There isn't a foreigner who could win a game in code S atm | ||
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Diogenes
United States132 Posts
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tapk69
Portugal264 Posts
On March 09 2012 03:06 zezamer wrote: I'd rather see good korean vs korean match than a foreigner vs korean match where the foreigner gets stomped. There isn't a foreigner who could win a game in code S atm you must be trolling... Koreans lose to foreigners in every tourney , even GSL champions lose to foreigners... Naniwa , Huk , Stephano , Ret and other players are very capable of winning against Koreans ! Koreans are better , yes thats true , but they are not unbeatable. | ||
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Saber_Rider
Sweden361 Posts
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CosmicSpiral
United States15275 Posts
On March 09 2012 03:12 tapk69 wrote: you must be trolling... Koreans lose to foreigners in every tourney , even GSL champions lose to foreigners... Naniwa , Huk , Stephano , Ret and other players are very capable of winning against Koreans ! Koreans are better , yes thats true , but they are not unbeatable. Foreigners except HuK have a terrible record in the GSL, and HuK can't even crack .500. | ||
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zezamer
Finland5701 Posts
On March 09 2012 03:12 tapk69 wrote: you must be trolling... Koreans lose to foreigners in every tourney , even GSL champions lose to foreigners... Naniwa , Huk , Stephano , Ret and other players are very capable of winning against Koreans ! Koreans are better , yes thats true , but they are not unbeatable. When is the last time foreigner has won a bo3 in code s/a. | ||
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Mordiford
4448 Posts
On March 09 2012 03:10 Diogenes wrote: Gomtv and the gsl is a business. Starcraft II is the minor leagues in korea versus the major league of starcraft one. If they want to give out seeds to foreigners to attract more viewers from north america and europe, that is their right. The fans should be happy. More foreigners get to see their favorite players compete and gomtv attracts a larger audience as does sc ii in general. It does suck for koreans but gsl's purpose is to grow its business and make money. If they get enough extra viewers they can increase the prize pool and tournament sizes anyways so that nobody is really hurt in the long run. Who knows, maybe they could finally upgrade their streams not to have horrible blur and offer a true hd resolution. You're essentially making two arguments here and neither of them are particularly good. No reasonable person is questioning GOM's rights to do whatever they want with their league, so the fact they it's their right to give out seeds if they want to is irrelevant. The question being raised is whether it is right or fair to give out seeds the way they're doing right now, specifically to a player(Huk) who just dropped out of the very same tournament. I don't think it's fair for the reasons I've stated before in this thread. If they had a wild-card tournament to replace Sen, with a bunch of the players who were knocked out in the Ro48, that would be one thing, but Sen's spot is not what's being replaced. It's a invite spot, that's going to a player who failed to qualify for the very position he's getting invited to. The second portion of your post is loaded with "should"s and "what if"s that are really sketchy. I don't see why fans should be happy that the premiere tournament in Starcraft 2 is compromising fair competition to give favor to popular players. The fact that GOM is a business has little to do with the fairness of what they're doing and the the benefits that you list are a stretch and an unknown. Besides, I don't think it's worth it to damage competition for views in the premiere tournament in Starcraft 2. | ||
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ragnorr
Denmark6097 Posts
On March 09 2012 04:48 zezamer wrote: When is the last time foreigner has won a bo3 in code s/a. GSL season 1? Sen won his code A match Ro48 | ||
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Bagration
United States18282 Posts
On March 09 2012 02:10 Mordiford wrote: Lose in the first round of Code A, still make it to Up/Downs. The GSL's invites are honestly embarrassing at this point, it just shits on the value of competition. The other guys that lost in the first round of Code A? Haha, sucks that you're not white! Regardless of whether the Korean players appear to be fine with it, it's not fair competition. You're giving someone something that they failed to get, in the very season that they failed to get it. Nothing against Huk, but him getting a free spot in the Up/Downs after losing the very sets that get you to the Up/Downs is idiotic. Huk got 3rd at MLG. It's not like Idra who hasn't accomplished anything in months. MC had a similar path. But he fell from Code S to Code B when it was nearly impossible to do so. First, get last in your Ro32 group. Then play terribly in your Up and Down Group. Then, lose in the first round of Code A. But then he gets seeded right into pool play at MLG and gets a Code S spot. MMA also got a Code S spot soon after falling from Code A. Huk's not even getting a Code S seed, merely an up and down seed. The amount of hate that Huk receives now is apalling, it's as if he was a stream cheater like Deezer or something. | ||
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