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RunningInSquares
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States215 Posts
March 08 2012 06:57 GMT
#281
Creator, Supernova, and Happy? Man, I was going to say Boxer and July lucked out with a hurt player, but....
Aserrin
Profile Joined October 2011
Uruguay231 Posts
March 08 2012 07:09 GMT
#282
HuK was seeded to up and downs because he's one of the most popular and talented foreign players, so it's mostly a marketing move.

If his skill isn't up to it he'll bounce back into Code A, so whatever.

It's too bad that they don't have the same criteria with even more skilled players because they aren't as popular, but oh well. I guess everything will reach some sort of order at the end anyways.

Poor BoxeR and his group of death, too. Maybe he can pull his psychological pressure superpowers onto Happy, Supernova and Creator and make them gg 2 minutes into the game.

...one can wish.
Sub40APM
Profile Joined August 2010
6336 Posts
March 08 2012 07:53 GMT
#283
On March 07 2012 21:11 tapk69 wrote:
So naniwa gone ? Idra gone ? wtf..

You are...surprised that Idra is gone? Did he even win a game during his most recent GSL run? The guy is having trouble at weaker tournaments like MLG and IEM and needs to regroup. Why waste his time flying out there for another beating, just so people who enjoy him losing bump up GOM's ratings for one day?
nihlon
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden5581 Posts
March 08 2012 08:18 GMT
#284
On March 08 2012 14:13 chrissummers wrote:
huk is not undeserving, but I think it is still wrong to give him a seed. top koreans are not undeserving either, but did for example bomber get a seed? or polt?
these double standards piss me off.

You can't exactly call it double standards when gom have been very consistent in inviting their players not based on skill.
Banelings are too cute to blow up
Fionn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States23455 Posts
March 08 2012 09:20 GMT
#285
People are forgetting the Up-and-Down seeds aren't the best seeds. There are two Code S seeds to be rewarded still to one of Polt, Naniwa, Violet, other foreigners, etc.
Writerhttps://twitter.com/FionnOnFire
Creager
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany1923 Posts
March 08 2012 09:26 GMT
#286
OMG group E!!!! boxer of course autopick, him vs July will be so bonjwa :>
... einmal mit Profis spielen!
Jinsho
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom3101 Posts
March 08 2012 09:32 GMT
#287
HuK was seeded because he's third at MLG Winter, so no idea why people would say that's not well-deserved.
Witten
Profile Joined January 2011
United States2094 Posts
March 08 2012 10:30 GMT
#288
On March 08 2012 09:16 Too_MuchZerg wrote:
GOMTV should change their format how they do it currently. Here is my humble try:

1. Make it that TOP32 (or TOP16) players but only 3-4 day event max

2. Qualifiers to that tournament runs at Weekly at GOMTV where half spots are given (runs 1½-2 months).

3. Rest are invites where majority is top foreigners and rest is top koreans.

Pros:
- Foreigners are more willing to participate when its only few days rather than months
- GOMTV can focus more on team leagues
- Frees up koreans for foreign tournaments (less schedule conflicts)
- No more Code A

Cons:
- GSL loses ratings due to people not bother watching qualifiers instead watches main event
- No more Code A


We already have that, it's called every foreign event.
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MCDayC
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom14464 Posts
March 08 2012 10:36 GMT
#289
Goddamit Fionn. I liked Creator...
Hopefully these games are good, for me the up down matches are often lacklustre.
VERY FRAGILE, LIKE A BABY PANDA EGG
Summer[AfO]!
Profile Joined December 2009
Sweden11 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-08 12:12:33
March 08 2012 12:08 GMT
#290
Ok guys. We need more Zergs into Code S this season. As we only got 4 so far (Nestea, DRG, Curious and Zenio).

My Heart says:

MVPKeen & BboongBboongPRIME (Cermonies and a good Zerg)
FXOLeenock & MVPSniper (Two rly nice Zerg players)
BumblebeePRIME and MVPsC (Another Zerg + sC is my favorite TvZ-player)
oGsFin & EG.HuK (Fun with a foreigner and I want Fin to be good)
ST_July & SlayerS_Boxer. (NaDa, Boxer and July in the same season, doesn't get much better than that)

If these would all advance and then Naniwa and Polt gets the seeds we would have the most entertaining Code S Lineup ever IMO.
shell
Profile Joined October 2010
Portugal2722 Posts
March 08 2012 12:17 GMT
#291
On March 08 2012 11:51 BackSideAttack wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2012 09:03 shell wrote:
What's wrong with the seed?

They created this rules to be a Global Starcraft League like their name. If they decide to give a spot to foreigners what's wrong with that?

Don't you like the invites the Koreans are given in all foreign tournaments? They even pay for trips and acommodation and now it's wrong for GSL to give a spot or two? It's not like GSL pays for anything or the flights. Man this type of talk bothers me.

The koreans are given everything and HuK that is more then proven GSL material and sacrifices alot to be in Korea can't compete because it's free? Why should Polt be given a spot then? Maybe then gave it to stephano and he said no, why shouldn't the best foreigner that is in Korea accept it?

Maybe they should make a tournament for all the foreigners and the winner takes the spot but i don't think it's fair that GSL doesn't do a effort to allow a foreigner to participate, it helps and improves the scene in various ways and it keeps things interesting and fresh for better viewship.

My point in the end it's harder on foreigners to travel to another country for months then a Korean flying in for some days. For some it might be considered a previledge but for young guys playing a game for money it must be hard.


First of all names are not everything. Just because the GSL is called the GLOBAL starleague, doesn't mean that they have to be global. Look at the NASL: the NORTH AMERICAN starleague turns into a mostly Korean tournament.

Second, your statement that GSL doesn't pay for anything is just plain wrong. Foreigners that come to Korea get to stay at a practice house financed by GOM.

Third, Polt actually won something, whereas Huk got 3rd place by getting through a relatively easy bracket. In the end Huk lost to the same players that Naniwa lost to, just later on because of bracket luck. If anything, Naniwa, despite placing lower, did better just because of the players he defeated.

Fourth, Gom seeds are for foreigners who make the hard trek to Korea; that is true. However, Huk LIVES in Korea and has been living there for an extended period of time. If anything, he's probably more used to Korea at this point than any other country. Only his first seed is justified to help him get acclimated and incentivize his coming. However, future seeds, especially after he just dropped out, is pointless.

Fifth, if you haven't noticed, when a Korean goes to a foreign tournament, they aren't seeded directly into the second round, other than MLG last season. In MLG's case its to prevent Koreans from dominating the open brackets and discourage up and coming players from trying to get through. In every other instance, Koreans start on the same ground as every other player. In GSL code A is NOT the first round; the QUALIFIERS are. You shouldn't get seeded into Code A just because your a foreigner. If you fail the FIRST time, you should not be given a second chance, especially if your going to stay there for the forseeable future.

Lastly, you argue as if the system is fair. It is absolutely not fair, especially from a competitor's standpoint. Its not fair to the Koreans. What Gom is doing is a business decision. From that standpoint it's reasonable. However from a fairness standpoint, it will never be fair.


That's your view on it:

People want to complain for the sake of it, complain all you want.

I don't think like that and fortunatly GOM doesn't also.

Take the spot HuK the majority will support it.
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Wegandi
Profile Joined March 2011
United States2455 Posts
March 08 2012 12:25 GMT
#292
Really wish GOM would use a format like MSL. Ah, well. Go Lim Yo Hwan!
Thank you bureaucrats for all your hard work, your commitment to public service and public good is essential to the lives of so many. Also, for Pete's sake can we please get some gun control already, no need for hand guns and assault rifles for the public
JustPassingBy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
10776 Posts
March 08 2012 12:37 GMT
#293
On March 08 2012 06:19 how2TL wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2012 04:30 JustPassingBy wrote:
On March 08 2012 03:24 Bagration wrote:
On March 08 2012 03:12 GoingGoingGone wrote:
So it seems Polt and Naniwa get Code S...

Predictions:
A: YuGiOh, Keen/BboongBboong
B: Leenock!!!, Ganzi
C: anyone from the trio SC, Maru, theSTC
D: Fin, Lucky
E: Creator, Supernova


Don't assume what the Code S seeds are going to be prematurely.


Solid predictions, nothing more to add from my side.
But I doubt that Naniwa will get a Code S seed, he does not have outstanding tournament results lately that are required to obtain it. In fact, if you go after the tournament results, I'd say Huk deserves the seed (as Top3 and highest non-Code S finisher).


Look at the bracket for Winter Arena and tell me that Huk did any better than Naniwa. Naniwa lost to the same players and beat more Code S Koreans on the way there.

A 3rd place finish doesn't mean very much in a double elimination bracket.


I am talking about tournament results, i.e. at what place they are finished, because that is the criteria after which the code S seeds are officially handed out.
Saber_Rider
Profile Joined March 2012
Sweden361 Posts
March 08 2012 13:38 GMT
#294
Gonna be interesting to see what HuK can do in his group! Would be nice with a foreigner in Code S again.
FFE or die trying
legatus legionis
Profile Joined October 2010
Netherlands559 Posts
March 08 2012 14:04 GMT
#295
On March 08 2012 21:17 shell wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2012 11:51 BackSideAttack wrote:
On March 08 2012 09:03 shell wrote:
What's wrong with the seed?

They created this rules to be a Global Starcraft League like their name. If they decide to give a spot to foreigners what's wrong with that?

Don't you like the invites the Koreans are given in all foreign tournaments? They even pay for trips and acommodation and now it's wrong for GSL to give a spot or two? It's not like GSL pays for anything or the flights. Man this type of talk bothers me.

The koreans are given everything and HuK that is more then proven GSL material and sacrifices alot to be in Korea can't compete because it's free? Why should Polt be given a spot then? Maybe then gave it to stephano and he said no, why shouldn't the best foreigner that is in Korea accept it?

Maybe they should make a tournament for all the foreigners and the winner takes the spot but i don't think it's fair that GSL doesn't do a effort to allow a foreigner to participate, it helps and improves the scene in various ways and it keeps things interesting and fresh for better viewship.

My point in the end it's harder on foreigners to travel to another country for months then a Korean flying in for some days. For some it might be considered a previledge but for young guys playing a game for money it must be hard.


First of all names are not everything. Just because the GSL is called the GLOBAL starleague, doesn't mean that they have to be global. Look at the NASL: the NORTH AMERICAN starleague turns into a mostly Korean tournament.

Second, your statement that GSL doesn't pay for anything is just plain wrong. Foreigners that come to Korea get to stay at a practice house financed by GOM.

Third, Polt actually won something, whereas Huk got 3rd place by getting through a relatively easy bracket. In the end Huk lost to the same players that Naniwa lost to, just later on because of bracket luck. If anything, Naniwa, despite placing lower, did better just because of the players he defeated.

Fourth, Gom seeds are for foreigners who make the hard trek to Korea; that is true. However, Huk LIVES in Korea and has been living there for an extended period of time. If anything, he's probably more used to Korea at this point than any other country. Only his first seed is justified to help him get acclimated and incentivize his coming. However, future seeds, especially after he just dropped out, is pointless.

Fifth, if you haven't noticed, when a Korean goes to a foreign tournament, they aren't seeded directly into the second round, other than MLG last season. In MLG's case its to prevent Koreans from dominating the open brackets and discourage up and coming players from trying to get through. In every other instance, Koreans start on the same ground as every other player. In GSL code A is NOT the first round; the QUALIFIERS are. You shouldn't get seeded into Code A just because your a foreigner. If you fail the FIRST time, you should not be given a second chance, especially if your going to stay there for the forseeable future.

Lastly, you argue as if the system is fair. It is absolutely not fair, especially from a competitor's standpoint. Its not fair to the Koreans. What Gom is doing is a business decision. From that standpoint it's reasonable. However from a fairness standpoint, it will never be fair.


That's your view on it:

People want to complain for the sake of it, complain all you want.

I don't think like that and fortunatly GOM doesn't also.

Take the spot HuK the majority will support it.


Why do you respond to him like that. He has five nicely formatted points. All with proper argumentation to support them. You say: "well that's like your opinion man". I think this is extremely disrespectful. If you are gonna disagree, at least have the decency to explain why, since he also explained it nicely.
I like the fourth point especially this is something I hadn't thought off before. It also seems more in line with the objective of gaining interest from viewer by inviting players from the outside, since those you already have will already be providing something. Be it from qualifiers, getting seeded into Code A. You can then have that player + a new one.
Morningkill
Profile Joined November 2011
Sweden5 Posts
March 08 2012 14:12 GMT
#296
On March 08 2012 21:37 JustPassingBy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2012 06:19 how2TL wrote:
On March 08 2012 04:30 JustPassingBy wrote:
On March 08 2012 03:24 Bagration wrote:
On March 08 2012 03:12 GoingGoingGone wrote:
So it seems Polt and Naniwa get Code S...

Predictions:
A: YuGiOh, Keen/BboongBboong
B: Leenock!!!, Ganzi
C: anyone from the trio SC, Maru, theSTC
D: Fin, Lucky
E: Creator, Supernova


Don't assume what the Code S seeds are going to be prematurely.


Solid predictions, nothing more to add from my side.
But I doubt that Naniwa will get a Code S seed, he does not have outstanding tournament results lately that are required to obtain it. In fact, if you go after the tournament results, I'd say Huk deserves the seed (as Top3 and highest non-Code S finisher).


Look at the bracket for Winter Arena and tell me that Huk did any better than Naniwa. Naniwa lost to the same players and beat more Code S Koreans on the way there.

A 3rd place finish doesn't mean very much in a double elimination bracket.


I am talking about tournament results, i.e. at what place they are finished, because that is the criteria after which the code S seeds are officially handed out.



It was the criteria. Now they chose whoever they want.
GodOfWar
Profile Joined December 2011
870 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-08 15:16:58
March 08 2012 15:10 GMT
#297
to advance

Group A: Keen, Squirtle

Group B: Leenock, GanZi

Group C: Maru, TheStC

Group D: Lucky, Brown

Group E: Creator, BoxeR (gogogo Emperor fighting and taking down SuperNoVa in an epic series :p
Mvp Moon Squirtle
tapk69
Profile Joined January 2011
Portugal264 Posts
March 08 2012 15:15 GMT
#298
On March 08 2012 18:20 Fionn wrote:
People are forgetting the Up-and-Down seeds aren't the best seeds. There are two Code S seeds to be rewarded still to one of Polt, Naniwa, Violet, other foreigners, etc.



You are sure that 2 code S spots will be given right ?

I hope Naniwa and another one gets it ( Idra if he changes to terran ) , not polt , theres like 64 Koreans at the GSL he is just another one that will probably be able to qualify next season , so while this one lasts , he can go to foreign events.
ja foste
Fionn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States23455 Posts
March 08 2012 15:48 GMT
#299
On March 09 2012 00:15 tapk69 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2012 18:20 Fionn wrote:
People are forgetting the Up-and-Down seeds aren't the best seeds. There are two Code S seeds to be rewarded still to one of Polt, Naniwa, Violet, other foreigners, etc.



You are sure that 2 code S spots will be given right ?

I hope Naniwa and another one gets it ( Idra if he changes to terran ) , not polt , theres like 64 Koreans at the GSL he is just another one that will probably be able to qualify next season , so while this one lasts , he can go to foreign events.


Yes.

8 Code S from Season 1
12 from Code A
10 from Up-and-Downs

Which is 30 and the final two will be given to the two international seeds who have the best international tournament results in the recent history.
Writerhttps://twitter.com/FionnOnFire
Jampackedeon
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2053 Posts
March 08 2012 15:52 GMT
#300
Looks like good groups, I'll have a lot of people I'm pulling for (Boxer, Huk, etc!).

May the best player win!
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