On March 09 2012 02:10 Mordiford wrote: Lose in the first round of Code A, still make it to Up/Downs.
The GSL's invites are honestly embarrassing at this point, it just shits on the value of competition.
The other guys that lost in the first round of Code A? Haha, sucks that you're not white!
Regardless of whether the Korean players appear to be fine with it, it's not fair competition. You're giving someone something that they failed to get, in the very season that they failed to get it. Nothing against Huk, but him getting a free spot in the Up/Downs after losing the very sets that get you to the Up/Downs is idiotic.
Huk got 3rd at MLG. It's not like Idra who hasn't accomplished anything in months.
MC had a similar path. But he fell from Code S to Code B when it was nearly impossible to do so. First, get last in your Ro32 group. Then play terribly in your Up and Down Group. Then, lose in the first round of Code A. But then he gets seeded right into pool play at MLG and gets a Code S spot. MMA also got a Code S spot soon after falling from Code A.
Huk's not even getting a Code S seed, merely an up and down seed. The amount of hate that Huk receives now is apalling, it's as if he was a stream cheater like Deezer or something.
I already said I have absolutely nothing against Huk.
MC and MMA are completely different cases. They both won an MLG when the prize was specifically stated to be a Code S seed way before. This is an arbitrary assignment just because GOM wants to have Huk back in the GSL in the same season he got knocked out. I don't see how you can make that comparison at all, one is a pre-defined prize, one is an arbitrary hand-out.
On March 07 2012 21:11 tapk69 wrote: So naniwa gone ? Idra gone ? wtf..
You are...surprised that Idra is gone? Did he even win a game during his most recent GSL run? The guy is having trouble at weaker tournaments like MLG and IEM and needs to regroup. Why waste his time flying out there for another beating, just so people who enjoy him losing bump up GOM's ratings for one day?
his code s group was lucky, nestea, and mvp. name a few foreigners that u think have a good chance of coming out of that group. even lucky demolished naniwa in code a before. at least idra took a game off of lucky and made it a pretty close series. he also didnt look that bad against nestea (forgot if he lost 0-2 or 1-2).
if ur argument is that idra didnt deserve the code s seed in the first place and that it was waste then maybe u have a point. if u wanna say that based on idras play in the GSL he is a bad player than that is just wrong. the majority of foreigners have performed much much worse than idra has. he lost to nestea, lucky, and zenextreme (?? not sure on this but he lost to a pretty skilled protoss)
I already said I have absolutely nothing against Huk.
MC and MMA are completely different cases. They both won an MLG when the prize was specifically stated to be a Code S seed way before. This is an arbitrary assignment just because GOM wants to have Huk back in the GSL in the same season he got knocked out. I don't see how you can make that comparison at all, one is a pre-defined prize, one is an arbitrary hand-out.
Mc don't won a MLG btw, was Huk.
And it was specifically stated for gom before this happen, the seed system in up and down (for foreigners based in last results).
Btw i find more weird the case of Polt than the case of Huk, falling to code b and probably get Code S seed same season.
You can say, "I don't like the system", that's fine, but dot say its arbitrary when huk clearly deserves the foreigner seed established (better results being foreigner in the last months and willing to play in the next season).
On March 08 2012 14:20 dekarp wrote: I keep seeing Creator's name pop up for things... didn't MarineKing say in his RO24 Code A victory interview that Creator quit progaming and is going to focus on his studies? Mistranslation? Finishing out obligations? Anyone have any info on this?
That was Core.
Creator is probably the next big Protoss star.
Oh.
That's not embarrassing, don't worry guys, I'm fine.
On March 09 2012 02:10 Mordiford wrote: Lose in the first round of Code A, still make it to Up/Downs.
The GSL's invites are honestly embarrassing at this point, it just shits on the value of competition.
The other guys that lost in the first round of Code A? Haha, sucks that you're not white!
Regardless of whether the Korean players appear to be fine with it, it's not fair competition. You're giving someone something that they failed to get, in the very season that they failed to get it. Nothing against Huk, but him getting a free spot in the Up/Downs after losing the very sets that get you to the Up/Downs is idiotic.
Huk got 3rd at MLG. It's not like Idra who hasn't accomplished anything in months.
MC had a similar path. But he fell from Code S to Code B when it was nearly impossible to do so. First, get last in your Ro32 group. Then play terribly in your Up and Down Group. Then, lose in the first round of Code A. But then he gets seeded right into pool play at MLG and gets a Code S spot. MMA also got a Code S spot soon after falling from Code A.
Huk's not even getting a Code S seed, merely an up and down seed. The amount of hate that Huk receives now is apalling, it's as if he was a stream cheater like Deezer or something.
I already said I have absolutely nothing against Huk.
MC and MMA are completely different cases. They both won an MLG when the prize was specifically stated to be a Code S seed way before. This is an arbitrary assignment just because GOM wants to have Huk back in the GSL in the same season he got knocked out. I don't see how you can make that comparison at all, one is a pre-defined prize, one is an arbitrary hand-out.
I'm trying to point out to people that Huk's seed to the Up and Down is reasonable. Huk is not in Code S, he has to earn it now. GSL has already established precedence by giving Code S seeds to the MLG top 3 highest non-Code S player, so for them to merely give Huk an Up and Down seed may not be explicitly defined, but it is not unfair whatsoever. Yes, the decision is arbitrary, but this isn't an outrageous pick by any means.
Of course GOM wants Huk back in the GSL, but they also want guys like Boxer, Nada, July and Yellow (not so successful on that last one ) in the GSL playing. But Huk's not out of his league in the GSL. He fell to Code A because he got 3rd in his group in the Ro16, losing to the eventual finalist that season in Leenock. He's not like Idra right now, who is on a horrendous losing trend for the past few months. I believe that he can compete at GSL level, that he earned the seed by getting 3rd at MLG, and that rather than attribute his success to him being "white", we give him a chance to get back into Code S by competing in the Up and Downs.
As for the attacks on Huk, I am not singling you out. But the people who claim that he "lucked" his way into 3rd are really starting to annoy me. Beating Oz 2-0 at a live event is suddenly luck? I guess MVP just had a lucky 2011, right?
Predictions Group A: Keen, Squirtle Group B: Leenock, Ganzi Group C: TheStC, sC Group D: Lucky, Killer (or Lucky Brown if Killer is plays jetlagged) Group E: Creator, Supernova
Is it only me that feel like Huk Dosent deserv a code S spot? I mean he is good and all, but i feel like all he does is mass gateway allin, and that he's not in shape right now, but what do i know, thats just my observation.
On March 09 2012 02:10 Mordiford wrote: Lose in the first round of Code A, still make it to Up/Downs.
The GSL's invites are honestly embarrassing at this point, it just shits on the value of competition.
The other guys that lost in the first round of Code A? Haha, sucks that you're not white!
Regardless of whether the Korean players appear to be fine with it, it's not fair competition. You're giving someone something that they failed to get, in the very season that they failed to get it. Nothing against Huk, but him getting a free spot in the Up/Downs after losing the very sets that get you to the Up/Downs is idiotic.
Huk got 3rd at MLG. It's not like Idra who hasn't accomplished anything in months.
MC had a similar path. But he fell from Code S to Code B when it was nearly impossible to do so. First, get last in your Ro32 group. Then play terribly in your Up and Down Group. Then, lose in the first round of Code A. But then he gets seeded right into pool play at MLG and gets a Code S spot. MMA also got a Code S spot soon after falling from Code A.
Huk's not even getting a Code S seed, merely an up and down seed. The amount of hate that Huk receives now is apalling, it's as if he was a stream cheater like Deezer or something.
I already said I have absolutely nothing against Huk.
MC and MMA are completely different cases. They both won an MLG when the prize was specifically stated to be a Code S seed way before. This is an arbitrary assignment just because GOM wants to have Huk back in the GSL in the same season he got knocked out. I don't see how you can make that comparison at all, one is a pre-defined prize, one is an arbitrary hand-out.
Both MC and MMA were seeded directly into the MLG group play, which is MUCH easier than playing from the open bracket (it's astounding how much easier that makes it, which, btw, Naniwa winning that MLG at the start of the year was so incredible), and they didn't have to play at all to earn points for their group play spots, so yeah, I'd consider that the equivalent of being seeded into Ups and Downs.
We want to make it clear that we do not condone NaNiwa’s actions during his match against NesTea. We understand that GOMTV’s decision to revoke NaNiwa’s Code S spot for the next GSL season was not one that was made lightly. He has decided against participating in the coming GSL season as a statement of his sincere regret and in the hopes that he may have a future opportunity to compete in GSL against the world’s best. NaNiwa will continue to play for Quantic, and we will also continue to stand by NaNiwa as he learns and grows as a result of his mistakes.
This is from Quantic's post + Nani's statement following the probe rush. The season that he sat out was Season 1 but nothing about sitting out subsequent seasons and certainly not a whole year.
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) in the GSL playing. But Huk's not out of his league in the GSL. He fell to Code A because he got 3rd in his group in the Ro16, losing to the eventual finalist that season in Leenock. He's not like Idra right now, who is on a horrendous losing trend for the past few months. I believe that he can compete at GSL level, that he earned the seed by getting 3rd at MLG, and that rather than attribute his success to him being "white", we give him a chance to get back into Code S by competing in the Up and Downs.
