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00Visor
4337 Posts
On March 08 2012 08:30 dAPhREAk wrote: ridiculous to give seeds to people who just failed out. I agree. I support giving further seeds to foreigners. But its a bit pointless to give it to someone who just dropped out. So in the end it didnt even matter if Huk tried in Code A. I bet this looks a bit strange for the Korean players as well. | ||
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Bagration
United States18282 Posts
On March 08 2012 10:00 00Visor wrote: I agree. I support giving further seeds to foreigners. But its a bit pointless to give it to someone who just dropped out. So in the end it didnt even matter if Huk tried in Code A. I bet this looks a bit strange for the Korean players as well. Not that strange. Huk did get 3rd at the last MLG event. MMA was recently knocked into Code B when he got his MLG code s seed, as well as MC. MC fell from Code S to Code B during a time when it was very difficult to do so (last in groups, then lose Up and Down, then lose in first round). | ||
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-niL
Canada1131 Posts
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Luepert
United States1934 Posts
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Shellshock
United States97276 Posts
On March 08 2012 10:11 Bagration wrote: Not that strange. Huk did get 3rd at the last MLG event. MMA was recently knocked into Code B when he got his MLG code s seed, as well as MC. MC fell from Code S to Code B during a time when it was very difficult to do so (last in groups, then lose Up and Down, then lose in first round). Exactly. I don't know why people are making such a big fuss over huk getting an up and down seed. He's not being seeded directly into code S or anything. Hypothetical: Let's pretend the MLG/GSL exchange program still existed. Huk placed in the top 3. Ahead of him were DRG and Marineking. Last year, this would have earned Huk a code S seed. He's not even getting a seed that high. People were fine when MC and MMA got their Code S seeds from MLG performance. I don't see how this is any different | ||
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feanor1
United States1899 Posts
On March 08 2012 10:11 Bagration wrote: Not that strange. Huk did get 3rd at the last MLG event. MMA was recently knocked into Code B when he got his MLG code s seed, as well as MC. MC fell from Code S to Code B during a time when it was very difficult to do so (last in groups, then lose Up and Down, then lose in first round). MMA and MCs seed were different as MLG and GSL established a system to get seeding into Code S that was very clear. Now it is much more ambiguous in that they invite you if they want to and they think your deserve it. | ||
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XinAn
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esaul17
Canada547 Posts
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Leifish
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BackSideAttack
1103 Posts
On March 08 2012 09:03 shell wrote: What's wrong with the seed? They created this rules to be a Global Starcraft League like their name. If they decide to give a spot to foreigners what's wrong with that? Don't you like the invites the Koreans are given in all foreign tournaments? They even pay for trips and acommodation and now it's wrong for GSL to give a spot or two? It's not like GSL pays for anything or the flights. Man this type of talk bothers me. The koreans are given everything and HuK that is more then proven GSL material and sacrifices alot to be in Korea can't compete because it's free? Why should Polt be given a spot then? Maybe then gave it to stephano and he said no, why shouldn't the best foreigner that is in Korea accept it? Maybe they should make a tournament for all the foreigners and the winner takes the spot but i don't think it's fair that GSL doesn't do a effort to allow a foreigner to participate, it helps and improves the scene in various ways and it keeps things interesting and fresh for better viewship. My point in the end it's harder on foreigners to travel to another country for months then a Korean flying in for some days. For some it might be considered a previledge but for young guys playing a game for money it must be hard. First of all names are not everything. Just because the GSL is called the GLOBAL starleague, doesn't mean that they have to be global. Look at the NASL: the NORTH AMERICAN starleague turns into a mostly Korean tournament. Second, your statement that GSL doesn't pay for anything is just plain wrong. Foreigners that come to Korea get to stay at a practice house financed by GOM. Third, Polt actually won something, whereas Huk got 3rd place by getting through a relatively easy bracket. In the end Huk lost to the same players that Naniwa lost to, just later on because of bracket luck. If anything, Naniwa, despite placing lower, did better just because of the players he defeated. Fourth, Gom seeds are for foreigners who make the hard trek to Korea; that is true. However, Huk LIVES in Korea and has been living there for an extended period of time. If anything, he's probably more used to Korea at this point than any other country. Only his first seed is justified to help him get acclimated and incentivize his coming. However, future seeds, especially after he just dropped out, is pointless. Fifth, if you haven't noticed, when a Korean goes to a foreign tournament, they aren't seeded directly into the second round, other than MLG last season. In MLG's case its to prevent Koreans from dominating the open brackets and discourage up and coming players from trying to get through. In every other instance, Koreans start on the same ground as every other player. In GSL code A is NOT the first round; the QUALIFIERS are. You shouldn't get seeded into Code A just because your a foreigner. If you fail the FIRST time, you should not be given a second chance, especially if your going to stay there for the forseeable future. Lastly, you argue as if the system is fair. It is absolutely not fair, especially from a competitor's standpoint. Its not fair to the Koreans. What Gom is doing is a business decision. From that standpoint it's reasonable. However from a fairness standpoint, it will never be fair. | ||
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Kerwin
United States220 Posts
On March 08 2012 09:16 Too_MuchZerg wrote: GOMTV should change their format how they do it currently. Here is my humble try: 1. Make it that TOP32 (or TOP16) players but only 3-4 day event max 2. Qualifiers to that tournament runs at Weekly at GOMTV where half spots are given (runs 1½-2 months). 3. Rest are invites where majority is top foreigners and rest is top koreans. Pros: - Foreigners are more willing to participate when its only few days rather than months - GOMTV can focus more on team leagues - Frees up koreans for foreign tournaments (less schedule conflicts) - No more Code A Cons: - GSL loses ratings due to people not bother watching qualifiers instead watches main event - No more Code A What you fail to consider is that the GSL is on television in Korea... their format is simply better for TV and there is almost no counter-argument. With your format we'd be losing out on tons of tons of games, of the games that are played we wouldn't be able to watch them. It makes sense for them to spread out their league and have expanded Code A. | ||
DivinO
United States4796 Posts
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bennyaus
Australia1833 Posts
On March 08 2012 11:47 Leifish wrote: Let's be honest here, Huk kind of lucked his way into that 3rd place thanks to Minigun, Socke, Ret, and an incredibly lucky series against Oz. Really? Beating Ret and Oz is 'lucked his way'. Ret is at the very least Code A level, based on recent performances. Guy consistently performs in team leagues and beat MVP in straight up games, and PvP might be luck based, but he beat Oz and consistently beats Code S protoss (at least enough to suggest he is on par in PvP). Give me a break. The guy did really well in the GSL up until the last season, probably the best a foreigner has ever done consistently, with the exception being Jinro's back to back Ro4 run. Up and Down is the perfect stage for him to showcase where he stands. If he wins enough games, he proves he is Code S level all along. If he is bad like some people think, he will get knocked out and lose his Code A game. Either way, nobody loses... he isn't taking a Code S spot unless he deserves it (unlike IdrA/Sen in last GSL), and he deserves it way more than they did. | ||
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Bagration
United States18282 Posts
On March 08 2012 11:47 Leifish wrote: Let's be honest here, Huk kind of lucked his way into that 3rd place thanks to Minigun, Socke, Ret, and an incredibly lucky series against Oz. In the end though, it is all about results. And I'm tired of people attributing Huk's 2-0 win over Oz as simply luck. Beating a top PvP player twice, and people give him no credit. The Huk hate is really starting to get annoying. It's like saying that MMA's GSL October victory is invalid because he did barely advance from his Ro32 group (2nd), barely beat asd in the Ro16 (2-1), barely beat Clide in the Ro8 (3-2), simply got lucky against Happy in the semis. And of course, he only beat MVP because MVP was tired from a day of competing at Blizzcon. He got 3rd place at a major tournament. He got an Up and Down seed. Based off of precedence with the MLG seeds, there isn't really anything unfair about this. | ||
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Shellshock
United States97276 Posts
On March 08 2012 11:51 BackSideAttack wrote: Third, Polt actually won something, whereas Huk got 3rd place by getting through a relatively easy bracket. In the end Huk lost to the same players that Naniwa lost to, just later on because of bracket luck. If anything, Naniwa, despite placing lower, did better just because of the players he defeated. This doesn't mean Polt isn't going to get a Seed. Korean players are still eligible for the direct Code S seed which Polt deserves more than an up and down seed when both options are laid out | ||
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PotatoDT
United States4 Posts
I will miss him. | ||
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zev318
Canada4306 Posts
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Dapper_Cad
United Kingdom964 Posts
Looking forward to group D Rooting for Boxer and July because you godda love underdogs. | ||
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Azzur
Australia6267 Posts
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00Visor
4337 Posts
On March 08 2012 11:13 feanor1 wrote: MMA and MCs seed were different as MLG and GSL established a system to get seeding into Code S that was very clear. Now it is much more ambiguous in that they invite you if they want to and they think your deserve it. Exactly. MMA and MC qualified for the seed. GOM had to give it. That doesnt apply to Huk. | ||
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