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On March 08 2012 04:38 LuckoftheIrish wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2012 04:04 Superneenja wrote:
If you don't like Dragon or what he may or may not have done, then dont support him... that's all I'm going to say about that.
One thing I always wondered about was what was Dragon's contract situation with SlayerS. It seems like they didn't regard his talent that high even after the GSL appearance. He always mentioned moving into the team house but never did... maybe they just didn't treat him that well?..you can see by Jessica's twitter posts the type of respect they had for him apparently. This would be a different matter if he breached his contract or something of that sort, but it doesn't sound like the case...SlayerS probably didn't think he was worth what he thought he was worth, remember that from a business prospective viewers mean a lot, and he was having over 1.5k fairly consistently.
My opinion was that SlayerS tried to low ball him, or took him for granted, and Mill came and scooped him up.
Always been a Dragon fan, just for the fun stuff he does...sometimes SC2 gets too serious. Thanks for being clear that you're giving an opinion. There are too many posters, IMO, who don't know the line between facts and opinions. Mine is a bit different. Dragon's originally stated reason for leaving was that he was retiring from pro gaming (for the second time). Less than two weeks later, he announced that he was looking for a team. That's pretty shady, and I can definitely understand why Jessica is upset. If she actually did respect Dragon as a dude and as a player, then that would make his method of leaving - retiring, coming back and signing with a different team, all within a month - that much more upsetting.
Thanks!
I'm not sure if it was shady or not, if he was under some contract then I would consider it shady and this issue would have double the pages. But I don't think this was the case. Anyone would jump at a good opportunity, and I think that's exactly what happened here. Personally I think he could have made good money just streaming, but like many players viewers want to associate them with a team and if its a good team people respect them more... and in this case Millenium shot out the right number to get Dragons interest. Genuinely I think he was going to quit, he wasn't really participating in anything much less taking his practice seriously..but now I think he has an opportunity to win NA/EU tournaments, make money from his contract and from his streaming as well as get back into form to one day go back to Korea and wreck... If i was him I would be gunning for all the SlayerS players, just as motivation to kick some ass.
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That's a good theory but the chronology doesn't quite fit, IMO.
SlayerS announced that he was retiring. Then he publically announced that he was actively looking for a new team. It doesn't seem like he was retired, then Millenium offered him a contract to bring him out of retirement. Instead, it suggests to me that he 'retired,' like he's done before, then went looking for a different opportunity. Further, I think if he'd been honest about it, then Jessica wouldn't be upset; she's been extremely positive about Golden, who left at the same time to openly look for a foreign team.
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Hoped to see him playing for EG, he would troll IdrA the whole day 
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Nice was wondering when he would find a team
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Wooh Dragon! Definitely my favorite streamer haha, hope he really starts showing results for Millennium.
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Bad communicate on the part of Dragon led to this situation. If he communicated probably, Jessica wouldn't be upset as she is perfectly fine with Golden and Sleep.
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He'll earn way more money at Millennium.
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On March 08 2012 05:30 Leberwurstbrot wrote:Hoped to see him playing for EG, he would troll IdrA the whole day
dragon and slayers have pretty bad blood now so no way EG would ever take him in
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Dragon is shit
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On March 08 2012 09:01 tQSky wrote:
Dragon is shit
I think you missed a "the" inbetween "is" and "shit"
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I guess Dragon and "Emperor" cannot mix... Anyway best of luck to Dragon
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gogo power dragon. win ipl ma dude!!!!
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I really like dragon, and am very glad that he's found another team. It's just another team people. But also, yeah, he should stop "retiring" does the name "Bret Favre" ring a bell?  Not that I minded him on the vikings though... I'll be looking forward to seeing Dragon play, and hopefully he'll compete in more tourneys, he's an amazing player and maybe this time he'll feel more comfortable with this team and stay a bit longer. And if Blizzard would just put LAN in SC2 we wouldn't have this stream cheating nonsense ever......
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I'm a fan of Dragon, not a fan of Millenium. I wish him he best though.
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Haha I love this guy, and best of luck in millenium!
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Sweet, never would have thought of this pairing but I thinks it will work out great for all, also cool Dragon going to france hope he will still stream alot from the teamhouse.
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On March 07 2012 04:51 battyone wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2012 04:50 Taiko88 wrote:On March 07 2012 04:47 battyone wrote:
And the moral of the story is: your career isn't ruined by being a cheater and promising to never play professionally again. Funny, you wouldn't say something like that about Dimaga or TT1 or a host of others, but you decide to give us your useless opinion on this matter. Please go troll elsewhere. Not trolling, just not going to jump on the <3 Dragon bandwagon, just like I didn't jump on the crucify katu bandwagon. Seems like a lot of this goodwill torwards him was born from that anyway.
Why is it that every time a group of people like something, there are always unique snowflakes that 'refuse to jump on the bandwagon'
And actually, most fans of Dragon stem from him being an entertaining and fun streamer, considering he had 3-5k+ viewers regularly BEFORE the katu incident.
But haters gonna hate and people gonna make inane comments. 
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On March 08 2012 13:32 TheyCallMePops wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2012 04:51 battyone wrote:On March 07 2012 04:50 Taiko88 wrote:On March 07 2012 04:47 battyone wrote:
And the moral of the story is: your career isn't ruined by being a cheater and promising to never play professionally again. Funny, you wouldn't say something like that about Dimaga or TT1 or a host of others, but you decide to give us your useless opinion on this matter. Please go troll elsewhere. Not trolling, just not going to jump on the <3 Dragon bandwagon, just like I didn't jump on the crucify katu bandwagon. Seems like a lot of this goodwill torwards him was born from that anyway. Why is it that every time a group of people like something, there are always unique snowflakes that 'refuse to jump on the bandwagon' And actually, most fans of Dragon stem from him being an entertaining and fun streamer, considering he had 3-5k+ viewers regularly BEFORE the katu incident. But haters gonna hate and people gonna make inane comments.
Why do people have to jump on the bandwagon full of fanboyisim? Maybe there's just people that genuinely don't like what you like.
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On March 08 2012 13:32 TheyCallMePops wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2012 04:51 battyone wrote:On March 07 2012 04:50 Taiko88 wrote:On March 07 2012 04:47 battyone wrote:
And the moral of the story is: your career isn't ruined by being a cheater and promising to never play professionally again. Funny, you wouldn't say something like that about Dimaga or TT1 or a host of others, but you decide to give us your useless opinion on this matter. Please go troll elsewhere. Not trolling, just not going to jump on the <3 Dragon bandwagon, just like I didn't jump on the crucify katu bandwagon. Seems like a lot of this goodwill torwards him was born from that anyway. Why is it that every time a group of people like something, there are always unique snowflakes that 'refuse to jump on the bandwagon' And actually, most fans of Dragon stem from him being an entertaining and fun streamer, considering he had 3-5k+ viewers regularly BEFORE the katu incident. But haters gonna hate and people gonna make inane comments.
What was the Katu incident?
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On March 08 2012 13:44 Danzo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2012 13:32 TheyCallMePops wrote:On March 07 2012 04:51 battyone wrote:On March 07 2012 04:50 Taiko88 wrote:On March 07 2012 04:47 battyone wrote:
And the moral of the story is: your career isn't ruined by being a cheater and promising to never play professionally again. Funny, you wouldn't say something like that about Dimaga or TT1 or a host of others, but you decide to give us your useless opinion on this matter. Please go troll elsewhere. Not trolling, just not going to jump on the <3 Dragon bandwagon, just like I didn't jump on the crucify katu bandwagon. Seems like a lot of this goodwill torwards him was born from that anyway. Why is it that every time a group of people like something, there are always unique snowflakes that 'refuse to jump on the bandwagon' And actually, most fans of Dragon stem from him being an entertaining and fun streamer, considering he had 3-5k+ viewers regularly BEFORE the katu incident. But haters gonna hate and people gonna make inane comments. Why do people have to jump on the bandwagon full of fanboyisim? Maybe there's just people that genuinely don't like what you like.
I think you're confusing being a fanboy with liking a player. There are like 40 SC2 players that I really enjoy and hope that their careers flourish because they have great personalities, interesting player, or some other factor that draws me to them. For someone to post in a thread celebrating a player they like's success is not "jumping on a bandwagon." It's just genuine excitement for the opportunities to see that player in a competitive setting more and see their mark on eSports.
People can not like a player, but there's this trend on the internet among internet users in general that draws these imaginary lines about players they dislike and their fanbase. I would argue that no one (or very few people) are as fanatical about Dragon as people are (haters and fans alike) about idra, or iNcontroL, or MarineKing. And yet no one calls people out for "bandwagoning" on these players, and people are called "fanboys" simply for enjoying a player's stream and wishing him success.
You're pidgeonholing a whole group of people into this label just so you can dismiss their interest or somehow consider them beneath you and worthy of your ridicule. It's so incredibly disgusting (and a bit funny) to watch people pick and choose their hatred/likes and then pretend as if they're unique and everyone else is just a conformist bandwagoning with the crowd. If you don't like Dragon because he cheated once in the past, that's completely up to you. But you also have to justify not liking Dimaga, TT1, Haypro (even though it was a mistake), and lots of other pros. If you don't like him for his streaming style, then don't watch him! But don't try and put yourself "above" his fans and mock/minisculize (is that a word? My english kinda sucks) their interest in a player's accomplishments. We're all just here to support the players we enjoy.
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