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Hypemeup
Sweden2783 Posts
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lichter
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
On March 08 2012 01:00 MigzR wrote: Again with the false statements, dragon cheated repeatedly? Where has this been confirmed? People like you just use absolute fake and made up statements to try to enforce their already failed arguements And yes, only he should criticise himself, this is sports not society, people cheat constantly over all sorts of sports, dont try to relate this to an actual crime, thats just silly. I agree that people are overreacting over this Dragon drama, but your ill-informed posts are doing him more harm than good. Yes, he cheated, but only one instance is proven so we can't say he did it repeatedly in tournaments. But that doesn't mean he can't be criticized, because as much as you'd like to think sports is in a bubble, all professional sports also abide by the rules of society. Individual sports have their own rules, and in none of these sports is cheating ok. Just because cheating occurs in other sports does not mean it is okay; cheating in other sports is reprimanded heavily, in fact. Dragon deserves a second chance, I agree, but he should prove himself first before society should be expected to forgive him. His stream antics do not hold any value in this case. tl;dr I agree people are being too hard on him and he should be allowed to try to redeem himself, but you sir, are not being very intelligent in your arguments. | ||
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Naccer
Netherlands11 Posts
Anyway gratz on dragon to join team Millennium. Successsss! :D | ||
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Wortie
Netherlands212 Posts
Maybe, it was because there was too much sexual tension between Jessica and Dragon and thats why he left. Now Dragon will have homosex with Stephano and that made her very jealous. | ||
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DaSmooch
Germany9 Posts
 Gz Dragon! Really looking forward to see u in EU! | ||
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voy
Poland348 Posts
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Tiegrr
United States607 Posts
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yesrr
United States26 Posts
On March 08 2012 02:14 Wortie wrote: I'ts funny because if you look at the drama that Jessica makes, you almost begin to wonder why Dragon really left SlayerS... Maybe, it was because there was too much sexual tension between Jessica and Dragon and thats why he left. Now Dragon will have homosex with Stephano and that made her very jealous. this. obviously... | ||
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Sergio1992
Italy522 Posts
On March 07 2012 15:28 NovemberstOrm wrote: True except Dragon is actually skilled unlike Destiny who is a scrub ^^ how you dare to call destiny scrub, you don't even have the ability to define someone ten thousand better than you on sc scrub :| And destiny never cheated. | ||
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Skamtet
Canada634 Posts
On March 08 2012 03:55 Sergio1992 wrote: how you dare to call destiny scrub, you don't even have the ability to define someone ten thousand better than you on sc scrub :| And destiny never cheated. Haha, what. | ||
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Sergio1992
Italy522 Posts
That's what: On March 07 2012 16:32 pbkim wrote: I'm surprised how people take cheating so lightly... You guys are really the ones debasing the value of esports. I used to work for PlayXP(basically Korean counterpart of team liquid.) and I've witnessed with my two eyes that Dragon made a public apology himself on the community. HE ADMITTED THAT HE DID THE STREAM CHEAT AND THAT HE WOULD NEVER BE A PRO PLAYER AGAIN Dragon, despite his promises, once again played for GSL. Fine, people gave him second chance and let him join Slayers. And Dragon left the team without even notifying Jessica. Later when Jessica asked Dragon, Dragon said "I'm going to find other jobs than pro-gaming". And then he lied again. People, look. You don't get to start over when you make a such mistake. Thanks to Jessica and GomTV, he got his second chance. And now he betrayed not only his fans, but those who gave him the second chance. And we give him third chance after seeing him lying twice? Then you guys are making eSports to be taken even less serious than it is right now. And don't call destiny scrub, at least he has dignity like many other pros: he never cheated! . | ||
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Demolicious
Australia38 Posts
Good on him and GL buddy | ||
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Superneenja
United States154 Posts
One thing I always wondered about was what was Dragon's contract situation with SlayerS. It seems like they didn't regard his talent that high even after the GSL appearance. He always mentioned moving into the team house but never did... maybe they just didn't treat him that well?..you can see by Jessica's twitter posts the type of respect they had for him apparently. This would be a different matter if he breached his contract or something of that sort, but it doesn't sound like the case...SlayerS probably didn't think he was worth what he thought he was worth, remember that from a business prospective viewers mean a lot, and he was having over 1.5k fairly consistently. My opinion was that SlayerS tried to low ball him, or took him for granted, and Mill came and scooped him up. Always been a Dragon fan, just for the fun stuff he does...sometimes SC2 gets too serious. | ||
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sVnteen
Germany2238 Posts
milennium has an awesome lineup think they are going to do pretty well in eg mcsl | ||
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MigzR
Portugal89 Posts
On March 08 2012 04:00 Sergio1992 wrote: That's what: And don't call destiny scrub, at least he has dignity like many other pros: he never cheated! .hahahaha | ||
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JustPassingBy
10776 Posts
On March 08 2012 02:22 DaSmooch wrote: Hmmm France isnt that far away from Germany/Krefeld, if any1 gets it what i mean = Here u have a cookie Gz Dragon! Really looking forward to see u in EU! Yeah, but too bad Marseille is on the wrong side of France. | ||
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LuckoftheIrish
United States4791 Posts
On March 08 2012 01:00 MigzR wrote: Again with the false statements, dragon cheated repeatedly? Where has this been confirmed? People like you just use absolute fake and made up statements to try to enforce their already failed arguements And yes, only he should criticise himself, this is sports not society, people cheat constantly over all sorts of sports, dont try to relate this to an actual crime, thats just silly. http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Dragon#Controversy "In the first round of the tournament, he played against TheStC and won. Soon after the match, TheStC wrote in PlayXP that 'Seo Yeon Ji used absurd counter build order without scouting. I know that Seo Yeon Ji is MioWerra’s smurf account and MioWerra has been doing stream-cheating online.' After speaking with TheStC and members of WeRRa, Dragon publicly apologized to TheStC, members of oGs and WeRRa. After Dragon was accused of maphacking, streamcheating and match fixing on PlayXP-forums, he then replied that 'he was sorry for what he had done' but didn't go into detail which parts of the allegations were true. Furthermore he stated that he would 'never dream of other tournaments, televised matches, or pursue a career as a pro-gamer.' "WeRRa’s clan master Gundam and vice clan master Cella also apologized publicly and Dragon was expelled from WeRRa. WeRRa disbanded a month later, after another scandal surrounding its clan master Gundam. "After getting expelled from WeRRa, Dragon joined SlayerS clan. He succeeded in qualifying for GSL 3 In November 2010 which led to a public outcry. Despite public pressure, GOMTV took no action against him. After getting eliminated by NesTea in the first round, he wrote an apology for breaking his earlier promise." So yeah. It's pretty common knowledge that he used to cheat a lot. | ||
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MigzR
Portugal89 Posts
On March 08 2012 04:33 LuckoftheIrish wrote: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Dragon#Controversy "In the first round of the tournament, he played against TheStC and won. Soon after the match, TheStC wrote in PlayXP that 'Seo Yeon Ji used absurd counter build order without scouting. I know that Seo Yeon Ji is MioWerra’s smurf account and MioWerra has been doing stream-cheating online.' After speaking with TheStC and members of WeRRa, Dragon publicly apologized to TheStC, members of oGs and WeRRa. After Dragon was accused of maphacking, streamcheating and match fixing on PlayXP-forums, he then replied that 'he was sorry for what he had done' but didn't go into detail which parts of the allegations were true. Furthermore he stated that he would 'never dream of other tournaments, televised matches, or pursue a career as a pro-gamer.' "WeRRa’s clan master Gundam and vice clan master Cella also apologized publicly and Dragon was expelled from WeRRa. WeRRa disbanded a month later, after another scandal surrounding its clan master Gundam. "After getting expelled from WeRRa, Dragon joined SlayerS clan. He succeeded in qualifying for GSL 3 In November 2010 which led to a public outcry. Despite public pressure, GOMTV took no action against him. After getting eliminated by NesTea in the first round, he wrote an apology for breaking his earlier promise." So yeah. It's pretty common knowledge that he used to cheat a lot. Oh really? The only thing that was confirmed was that he stream cheated, and no one said he stream cheated more than one time good luck next time :/ | ||
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LuckoftheIrish
United States4791 Posts
On March 08 2012 04:04 Superneenja wrote: If you don't like Dragon or what he may or may not have done, then dont support him... that's all I'm going to say about that. One thing I always wondered about was what was Dragon's contract situation with SlayerS. It seems like they didn't regard his talent that high even after the GSL appearance. He always mentioned moving into the team house but never did... maybe they just didn't treat him that well?..you can see by Jessica's twitter posts the type of respect they had for him apparently. This would be a different matter if he breached his contract or something of that sort, but it doesn't sound like the case...SlayerS probably didn't think he was worth what he thought he was worth, remember that from a business prospective viewers mean a lot, and he was having over 1.5k fairly consistently. My opinion was that SlayerS tried to low ball him, or took him for granted, and Mill came and scooped him up. Always been a Dragon fan, just for the fun stuff he does...sometimes SC2 gets too serious. Thanks for being clear that you're giving an opinion. There are too many posters, IMO, who don't know the line between facts and opinions. Mine is a bit different. Dragon's originally stated reason for leaving was that he was retiring from pro gaming (for the second time). Less than two weeks later, he announced that he was looking for a team. That's pretty shady, and I can definitely understand why Jessica is upset. If she actually did respect Dragon as a dude and as a player, then that would make his method of leaving - retiring, coming back and signing with a different team, all within a month - that much more upsetting. MiGzR wrote: Oh really? The only thing that was confirmed was that he stream cheated, and no one said he stream cheated more than one time good luck next time :/ Wait, what? Did you even read that? It's 100% confirmed that he cheated in a tournament. TheSTC and other members of oGs were also certain that he'd been cheating on the ladder. So that's, uh, more than one time. He was also accused of maphacking and match fixing. While those haven't been proven, he also didn't deny them when he issued an apology and retired from pro gaming forever (for the first time). | ||
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JustPassingBy
10776 Posts
On March 08 2012 04:04 Superneenja wrote: If you don't like Dragon or what he may or may not have done, then dont support him... that's all I'm going to say about that. One thing I always wondered about was what was Dragon's contract situation with SlayerS. It seems like they didn't regard his talent that high even after the GSL appearance. He always mentioned moving into the team house but never did... maybe they just didn't treat him that well?..you can see by Jessica's twitter posts the type of respect they had for him apparently. This would be a different matter if he breached his contract or something of that sort, but it doesn't sound like the case...SlayerS probably didn't think he was worth what he thought he was worth, remember that from a business prospective viewers mean a lot, and he was having over 1.5k fairly consistently. My opinion was that SlayerS tried to low ball him, or took him for granted, and Mill came and scooped him up. Always been a Dragon fan, just for the fun stuff he does...sometimes SC2 gets too serious. Well, considering that he never made it into GSL ever since, maybe they were right to not regard his talend that highly? Regarding the other things in your post, you might be right, or might not. | ||
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