Well that's a poor taste of trolling, tbh you can't call that trolling anymore and Katu crossed that line.
Bringing disrespect and discredit to a person and wild accusations about the past not my taste in humor dude.

Might be good to take some time off.

Longshank

1648 Posts

February 28 2012 17:22 GMT

#423

On February 29 2012 02:07 Mouz.Lee wrote:
What im saying is...Before every1 takes a stab @ Katu could some1 atleast watch the replay of the game to confirm what he is saying whether its tru or not...

Never in any game of masters or higher have i seen a terran build 3 pf before roaches incoming>with 0 scout(havent seen it myself just heard this) also where to find replay of the game in question? this would be helpful in determining?

And how did those 3 cc work out for him? That decision lead to an auto-loss against what he was up against. Stop being stupid.

Mouz.Lee

United States43 Posts

February 28 2012 17:22 GMT

#424

and with the accusations you know some1 will...

TechnoSchaman

United States156 Posts

February 28 2012 17:23 GMT

#425

his comments were unbelievably....mild. He just stated that Dragon has a bad history, who the fuck cares. I bet half the people in the thread didnt watch or listen to the cast. Casters insult players all the time when they do dumb shit. Once he starts trolling, "oh hes GOT to be stream cheating, hes building a factory, and NO terrans do that" even his co caster knows hes trolling. calm the fuck down everyone, how can you take this so seriously

Mouz.Lee

United States43 Posts

February 28 2012 17:23 GMT

#426

im not stupid what he was trying to do is 3 PLANETARY FORTRESS
in which you would have to know what coming to even think of...THEY TAKE AGES TO BUILD

Venomsflame

United States613 Posts

February 28 2012 17:24 GMT

#427

I don't get the issue... He commented that a known stream cheater might be stream cheating and apologized that same night(which I don't really think he had to). Yeah he went on and on about it which was annoying from a listener's perspective but certainly not infuriating like most of you seem to think. I guess because Dragon streams on TL sometimes people are willing to defend him in something like this. Too harsh punishment in my eyes.

Rylaji

Sweden580 Posts

February 28 2012 17:24 GMT

#428

On February 29 2012 01:25 VirgilSC2 wrote:
Wow......just wow.

Honestly, as a tournament organizer that employs Katu for a pair of high profile events, I find myself in a tough position regarding all of this. I think Katu is a fantastic caster with a lot of potential, however some of the things he said, even if unintentionally, were highly inappropriate and unprofessional.

As a response to this action, he will be taking some time off from casting both the EWM and the KSL for the time being. While this leaves me, as a tournament organizer, unable to broadcast the event he was scheduled for today I feel it's a step that needs to be made. I hope our viewers can understand this, and adjust to the revised schedule for this week, where we will broadcast Saturday and Sunday as well, leading up to the LAN finals on Monday.

On the other hand, it's very tough for me to put any support behind Dragon for this issue. Dragon is a past offender, and is allowed his current fan-base as the result of a promise made after he was caught. I think the community needs to realize that, following his apology he reneged on his words and participated in the GSL, caused a commotion, stepped back apologized again, and is now reneging on his words yet again. I think the offer from Playhem to send Dragon to IPL 4, while noble, is the wrong way to respond to an issue regarding a player who should not be participating in any tournaments without at least a public statement saying he is withdrawing his previous verbal contract with the community. It's one thing to stream your play, and earn a little money. Hell, ~~sAviOr~~ He-Who-Shall-Not-Be-Named was streaming on Afreeca for a while and I don't think many people had a problem with that. Should Dragon choose to accept the trip to IPL 4, I for one will be personally disappointed.

TL;DR: Katu will not be casting my events for the near future, sorry for anyone who was going to tune in today. What Katu did was wrong, and what Dragon is doing is wrong as well. Stop witch-hunting and being biased.

To be clear here, Dragon afaik didn't say he was going ANYWHERE. So to assume he is doing anything is just wrong.

Aberu

United States968 Posts

February 28 2012 17:24 GMT

#429

Sounds like Katu only said this because he remembered the times where Dragon had controversy around him for cheating. Everybody flipping out didn't even know about that and were just fans of dragon who got offended. Isn't it Dragon who put himself in this position in the first place by cheating? If ten years from now CombatEX gets into a tournament and people don't all hate him anymore, and a caster rips on him for being bad mannered and a cheater, wouldn't people be wrong for calling for blood?

Mouz.Lee

United States43 Posts

February 28 2012 17:24 GMT

#430

you are ignorant Longshank. how you like that ?

ODKStevez

Ireland1225 Posts

February 28 2012 17:27 GMT

#431

On February 29 2012 02:23 Mouz.Lee wrote:
im not stupid what he was trying to do is 3 PLANETARY FORTRESS
in which you would have to know what coming to even think of...THEY TAKE AGES TO BUILD

Are you retarded? He does the same 3 command center build every game and he did not see the roaches coming hence he build the command center. If you even know the basics, you need an e-bay to even start a pf. Please stop posting Trash and if you want proof, go look at every game he plays on that stream. He makes 3 command centers to play economical.

Mouz.Lee

United States43 Posts

February 28 2012 17:28 GMT

#432

calling some1 stupid doesnt make your point any better I want a replay or something

Dommk

Australia4865 Posts

February 28 2012 17:28 GMT

#433

On February 29 2012 02:13 Pokebunny wrote:
Not sure if people saw, but in the PlayhemTV thread, one o the founders did say Katu will no longer be associated with Playhem.

Honestly, I'll be disappointed with Playhem if they actually choose drop Katu over something like this.

It doesn't sit well with me when people/companies/teams drop the people they have chosen to take under their wing like a bad habit as soon as it looks negatively on them or things aren't going exactly as they have seen it...

This, In my eyes is very similar to the Naniwa situation. Quantic gained a lot of kudos (at least from me) when they chose to stick behind Naniwa and rough it out.

In the end, I just truly hope this is what Playhem thinks is the right decision and not just them wanting to find a scapegoat to avoid all the negative press.

Loxley

Netherlands2480 Posts

February 28 2012 17:28 GMT

#434

On February 29 2012 02:23 TechnoSchaman wrote:
his comments were unbelievably....mild. He just stated that Dragon has a bad history, who the fuck cares. I bet half the people in the thread didnt watch or listen to the cast. Casters insult players all the time when they do dumb shit. Once he starts trolling, "oh hes GOT to be stream cheating, hes building a factory, and NO terrans do that" even his co caster knows hes trolling. calm the fuck down everyone, how can you take this so seriously

He got provoked later on, further engaging the drama. I get your point but trolling as a professional caster should be done cautiously. And never troll/start referring to the No-No of all No-No's: Cheating.
You know he got (dragon)fans watching, people cheering the other guy that feel just as screwed if he was infact really cheating. Anyway, trolling about a player you are casting - implying that he's cheating- doesn't go down well. Really kinda stupid now i think of it. Just plain stupid if his intend was nothing more than trolling..

Trolling is an art (if done right) not an excuse. I could name 9834 topics that would never be used as a troll, just because you know your viewers won't get it or overreact to a controversial topic.