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Gusenbauer
Profile Joined May 2011
Austria19 Posts
February 28 2012 13:48 GMT
#121
omg that's awesome! really looking forward to...
I sincerely hope there will be VoDs as well?
smwatkin
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada399 Posts
February 28 2012 14:13 GMT
#122
this is an awesome idea for a series. VODS!!
Felnarion
Profile Joined December 2011
442 Posts
February 28 2012 14:26 GMT
#123
I am really, really looking forward to this series, I hope you guys do good things with it.
ThatBronyGuy
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States169 Posts
February 28 2012 14:39 GMT
#124
Excellent idea! I think it is a pretty fitting subject to talk about at any time, but now more so because of MLG and their PPV decision. It would be great to hear about experiences and thinking behind some of the pioneers in this relatively new space. I'll be watching for sure as I'm more attuned to the business side rather than the actual playing.

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P.S. Is anyone accepting resumes?
RayBeans
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany331 Posts
February 28 2012 14:49 GMT
#125
Sounds pretty interesting.
eSports with friends & HSV esports e.V. - Hamburg!
xZiGGY
Profile Joined August 2010
United Kingdom801 Posts
February 28 2012 15:01 GMT
#126
excessive hyperbole and mildly sarcastic narrative /scoff :/
Meh.
strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
February 28 2012 15:01 GMT
#127
Just wanted to also mention my support for this. I feel like in an industry like esports with newly emerging business models, the fans and public are more of a part of the business side of things than in more established industries, so it makes sense to have something like this to get information and perspective out there. One thing I would second from the thread abov is the suggestion to invite one or more players on to talk about the player side of things; I guess that might not be possible, however, since a lot of the things they could talk about would probably be covered by confidentiality agreements.
"It's the torso" "only more so!"
Trowa127
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom1230 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-28 15:57:07
February 28 2012 15:54 GMT
#128
On February 28 2012 13:15 Bagration wrote:
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On February 28 2012 11:43 Trowa127 wrote:
Please ask David Ting how much money (if any, but I think most people around here know they must have) IPL has lost since season 1. I'd be really interested to hear even a ballpark figure because I think IGN artificially pricing their products so incredibly low is not good for the sustainability of the scene at all (unless they think this investment will pay off in the medium to long term which I can't see happening, at least in the case of sc2). They are effectively killing off leagues who need to charge higher premiums to survive.

Will tune in.


I would not say that IPL is starting any price wars or undercutting any competition. Sure MLG had its PPV Arena, but its main event in Columbus is still going to be free. Besides, competition is good for the scene, as it forces the tournaments to constantly improve their products. Finally, one can argue that the scene right now is oversaturated, with too many tournaments all competing for the same viewers at the same time, and by having a fewer, stronger tournaments would be better than many small tournaments.

IPL has lost a significant amount of money, I believe David Ting once said in an interview more than 6 figures. However, with IGN fielding the overhead costs, they are basically treating that as an advertising expense, as IGN has bought a lot of goodwill from the SC2 and LoL communities. Mr Ting also mentioned that his goal was to make IPL break even for the next year.


That is exactly my point. They are artificially pricing their product at very low levels as Newscorp probably see 'esports' as a growth market and are willing to fork out some cash for exposure in a potentially lucrative sector. You saw the MLG PPV thread, there were a lot of people commenting on how you can get a month of IPL content for $5 so they wouldn't be paying for MLG (not defending MLG's pricing here, just illustrating a point); think about the message this sends out to leagues without the backing of multi-billion dollar corporations willing to drop six or seven figures in a year for no real return.

What I'm trying to say, is that if other leagues start folding because they can't make money, and IGN eventually decides IPL isn't paying off and shut the whole thing down, we go from over saturation to very few leagues at all. Its just not sustainable.

For the record this isn't me slating IPL at all. Its a great quality product and is obviously good value (how can it not be when they lose six figures on IPL3 alone?). I just don't see many people worrying about the future of broadcast sc2.
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Swap
Profile Joined February 2008
Sweden144 Posts
February 28 2012 15:54 GMT
#129
Great concept! We normal players and audience probably have a quite screwed picture of how e-sport events works..
he he... ja
Jampackedeon
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2053 Posts
February 28 2012 15:58 GMT
#130
Great lineup, great cast. Really excited and will definitely be tuning in to this different style of podcast. I really appreciate seeing a new tack on SC2 podcasts beyond casters/players!!
Logros
Profile Joined September 2010
Netherlands9913 Posts
February 28 2012 16:17 GMT
#131
Awesome, will look forward to this.
Teodice
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Sweden641 Posts
February 28 2012 17:31 GMT
#132
Awesome that you will have VODs! Will you also go for making just MP3 as well? Would help me alot to have the time to really check it out due high amount of work!

This will be really inspiring!
You will still be here tomorrow, but your dreams may not
divito
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada1213 Posts
February 28 2012 17:40 GMT
#133
On February 29 2012 00:54 Trowa127 wrote:
That is exactly my point. They are artificially pricing their product at very low levels as Newscorp probably see 'esports' as a growth market and are willing to fork out some cash for exposure in a potentially lucrative sector. You saw the MLG PPV thread, there were a lot of people commenting on how you can get a month of IPL content for $5 so they wouldn't be paying for MLG (not defending MLG's pricing here, just illustrating a point); think about the message this sends out to leagues without the backing of multi-billion dollar corporations willing to drop six or seven figures in a year for no real return.

What I'm trying to say, is that if other leagues start folding because they can't make money, and IGN eventually decides IPL isn't paying off and shut the whole thing down, we go from over saturation to very few leagues at all. Its just not sustainable.

For the record this isn't me slating IPL at all. Its a great quality product and is obviously good value (how can it not be when they lose six figures on IPL3 alone?). I just don't see many people worrying about the future of broadcast sc2.

It really depends on what IGN's real goal is. They may not be looking at a strictly monetary return for their IPL project. For years, WCG has been backed as a marketing arm for Samsung (and whichever other companies tag on for the year by buying some booth space). Either way, IGN/IPL could be looked at in the same light, unless they have some other overarching plan that hasn't been fully seen just yet.
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sN-Baloo
Profile Joined November 2010
France19 Posts
February 28 2012 17:54 GMT
#134
Nice idea. Will definitely tune in !
TheTurk
Profile Joined January 2011
United States732 Posts
February 28 2012 18:01 GMT
#135
This is really cool.
Hope to learn a lot from it.
Starcraft is a lifestyle.
Trowa127
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom1230 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-28 18:07:46
February 28 2012 18:07 GMT
#136
On February 29 2012 02:40 divito wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 29 2012 00:54 Trowa127 wrote:
That is exactly my point. They are artificially pricing their product at very low levels as Newscorp probably see 'esports' as a growth market and are willing to fork out some cash for exposure in a potentially lucrative sector. You saw the MLG PPV thread, there were a lot of people commenting on how you can get a month of IPL content for $5 so they wouldn't be paying for MLG (not defending MLG's pricing here, just illustrating a point); think about the message this sends out to leagues without the backing of multi-billion dollar corporations willing to drop six or seven figures in a year for no real return.

What I'm trying to say, is that if other leagues start folding because they can't make money, and IGN eventually decides IPL isn't paying off and shut the whole thing down, we go from over saturation to very few leagues at all. Its just not sustainable.

For the record this isn't me slating IPL at all. Its a great quality product and is obviously good value (how can it not be when they lose six figures on IPL3 alone?). I just don't see many people worrying about the future of broadcast sc2.

It really depends on what IGN's real goal is. They may not be looking at a strictly monetary return for their IPL project. For years, WCG has been backed as a marketing arm for Samsung (and whichever other companies tag on for the year by buying some booth space). Either way, IGN/IPL could be looked at in the same light, unless they have some other overarching plan that hasn't been fully seen just yet.


I agree with you here. As far as I can see, IPL seems to be about exposure of the IGN brand. A problem arises if other big name sponsors don't also start investing in the scene; who here really wants IPL to be the only big sc2 league?

Anyway, I've gone a bit off topic here. As I stated before I'm really looking forward to this show.

Good job guys.
Bling, MC, Snute, HwangSin, Deranging (<3) fan. 'Full name - ESP ORTS' Vote hotbid. Vote ESPORTS.
xxAoPxx
Profile Joined January 2012
Germany25 Posts
February 28 2012 18:22 GMT
#137
Sounds very exciting. Certainly not a look at any numbers, but at least help in understanding the business aspects.
Adellund
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Denmark92 Posts
February 28 2012 19:16 GMT
#138
I am so hooked on the Joystick-E logo for some oblivious reason.... :D
If you put RoRo on your anti-team you should be ashamed!
SgtPepper
Profile Joined November 2010
United States568 Posts
February 28 2012 21:41 GMT
#139
Sound really interesting. Glad to hear a new perspective.
"After I reconquer Ba Sing Se, I'm going to reconquer my tea shop! And I'm going to play Pai Sho every day."
a9arnn
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States1537 Posts
February 28 2012 21:47 GMT
#140
Oh wow, this seems awesome! I can't wait to watch :D, would love to hear from some more of these guys, and Chobopeon back in a show :D!
VOD finder guy for sc2ratings.com/ ! aka: ogndrahcir, a9azn2 | Go ZerO, Stork, Sea, and KawaiiRice :D | nesc2league.com/forum/index.php | youtube.com/watch?v=oaGtjWL5mZo
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