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LordJerith
United States92 Posts
On February 24 2012 23:54 floor exercise wrote: I am Lord Jerith, sworn liege of King Ansandi. For too long you have stood in our way, the esports throne will be ours Team Liquid Sorry, but I am a mere lord who fancies himself too much a rabble-rouser to be King ;-) | ||
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fabiano
Brazil4644 Posts
By the way, not sure if it is appropriate to post here, but I believe that half of the relative success of SC2 is due to Team Liquid. Were not for TSL3, King of the Beta, TL constant and complete coverage of events since the beginning, the stream list and other features, I highly doubt SC2 popularity would be what it is today, especially among the competitive community. I really feel sad because there won't be more BW TSLs, no more BW Day[9] Daylies, no more BW Nony, Ret, hell... even IdrA bitching about carriers I miss, or Artosis making BW videotutorials, but I never felt entitled to demand them to stick to what I think they should. TL chose to follow and give SC2 a chance, and with that TL became bigger and bigger. They know what they are doing. | ||
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XRaDiiX
Canada1730 Posts
Question: does anyone know if the ASUS ROG 2012 Winter Assembly is paying for flights to there for players? | ||
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SnoLys
149 Posts
On February 24 2012 23:52 LordJerith wrote: I am not saying it was not clarified. Come on now. .. lol. . . you went to law school, let's not play games. You asked MLG for a lot of money. They said no. We can debate the $10K, or you and MLG can tell us what it really was. Simple. At least, we all agree that you initially asked MLG for what they perceived to be "a lot of money." The more important question here is why not support the MLG PPV and then, if the model works, ask for $$$, as I think you would then have more support. In the end, I do think we should move forward. Will you be in Columbus? If so, we can maybe share a drink, and I can assure that you that I don't hate anyone. Just ask Sundance the heat I used to give him and Adam about not having chairs at his events. :-) So before you were standing by your source 100%, however the only part of your statement that was a rumor was a lie. Nice source. And you keeping pushing to TL duty to support MLG. MLG said that they are a business, so they should be treated as one. TL has rules in how the calendar works, since this event is outside those rules, TL treated MLG like they wanted to be treated. You want advertising, you pay for it. And no, they don't to provide the price that was asked, both sides dealt with the situation, however you decided to spread rumors and create unnecessary drama. | ||
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SugarBear
United States842 Posts
On February 24 2012 23:48 avcer wrote: All of that might be true, even though I doubt that you would have a lot of users agreeing on calling the way in which TL treats MLG as "open hostility". But that is really beside the point. What I wonder about is why Adam chose to comment on the issue the way he did and what he hoped might be gained by it. Mind you, that does not mean that business relations might not be strained but why not keep it behind the scenes? Why have such an accusatory subtext and not take five minutes longer to come up with a statement that might not do further damage? To me, this just reads as yet another instance of MLG handling an issue in a rather suboptimal fashion that might have been handled better quite easily. Well, I can't speak for MLG, but I imagine the intent was to provide an official statement to the effect of "MLG is not a bunch of cheap assholes who won't pay a fair price for advertising then charge you $20 for premium content, regardless what Team Liquid official tells you otherwise". | ||
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IcariumJhag
United States21 Posts
The people who according to you are supposed to have asked for 10k are denying it right in front of you. MLG is also denying that it was actually 10k, your whole argument was based on that. This is besides the point but TL.net can literally make or break an SC2 event. If its not featured here, for the most part it does not exist. MLG is at least fortunate they have a bit of name recognition and honestly I wouldn't even bother with their events if it wasn't for the free promotion they get here. At the end of the day, listing the PPV event on the calendar or anywhere on this site is advertising, plain and simple. MLG should be paying for it and if they are all butt hurt because things were always free...guess what like Sundance keeps saying its a "business"...I am sure he gets it. | ||
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
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LordJerith
United States92 Posts
On February 25 2012 00:05 SnoLys wrote: So before you were standing by your source 100%, however the only part of your statement that was a rumor was a lie. Nice source. And you keeping pushing to TL duty to support MLG. MLG said that they are a business, so they should be treated as one. TL has rules in how the calendar works, since this event is outside those rules, TL treated MLG like they wanted to be treated. You want advertising, you pay for it. And no, they don't to provide the price that was asked, both sides dealt with the situation, however you decided to spread rumors and create unnecessary drama. Well. . . I could only repeat what I have already said. I do stand by source 100%. TL denies it. MLG says it was "a lot of money." If you feel it was ok for TL to ask MLG for "a lot of money," so be it. I do not. And it's OK to disagree. | ||
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LordJerith
United States92 Posts
On February 25 2012 00:07 IcariumJhag wrote: Dude Lord Jerith are you for real? The people who according to you are supposed to have asked for 10k are denying it right in front of you. MLG is also denying that it was actually 10k, your whole argument was based on that. This is besides the point but TL.net can literally make or break an SC2 event. If its not featured here, for the most part it does not exist. MLG is at least fortunate they have a bit of name recognition and honestly I wouldn't even bother with their events if it wasn't for the free promotion they get here. At the end of the day, listing the PPV event on the calendar or anywhere on this site is advertising, plain and simple. MLG should be paying for it and if they are all butt hurt because things were always free...guess what like Sundance keeps saying its a "business"...I am sure he gets it. MLG denied it was $10K? I missed that. Link? | ||
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nihlon
Sweden5581 Posts
On February 25 2012 00:00 avcer wrote: Right. Which is an incredibly strange stance to take, especially after the fiasco that preceded the whole thing. All I got out of MLG_Adam's post was that they didn't want to spend much money to get their stream into the calender and that he would prefered that we move on discussing the actual tournament instead. | ||
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Novalisk
Israel1818 Posts
I don't really care who offered what first and who's fault this is. I just want the event(not the PPV stream) up on the TL calendar, for my LR thread and brackets f5'ing. | ||
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MostDifferent
Norway124 Posts
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Manifesto7
Osaka27158 Posts
On February 25 2012 00:09 LordJerith wrote: MLG denied it was $10K? I missed that. Link? The only person that has said anything about 10k is you. MLG doesn't have to spend it's time denying everything you type. You have said your piece, now it is time for you stop posting in this thread. Thanks. | ||
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fortheGG
United Kingdom1002 Posts
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LordJerith
United States92 Posts
On February 25 2012 00:15 Manifesto7 wrote: The only person that has said anything about 10k is you. MLG doesn't have to spend it's time denying everything you type. You have said your piece, now it is time for you stop posting in this thread. Thanks. Is it? Really? Time for me to stop? Are you telling me to stop? And if I chose not to. . . please inform me of the consequences, so I can make the right choice. User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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Cascade
Australia5405 Posts
On February 25 2012 00:16 LordJerith wrote: Is it? Really? Time for me to stop? Are you telling me to stop? And if I chose not to. . . please inform me of the consequences, so I can make the right choice. Well, you are not temp banned yet, so I guess he will just let you go on and come off as needy for attention?  edit: ok, nm. | ||
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Condor Hero
United States2931 Posts
On February 25 2012 00:15 fortheGG wrote: Interesting read but unless we know the figures there really is no way to judge whether TL or MLG are the ones in the wrong. lol why does the figure matter? Random Starcraft fan: "$20 is too much for one event." Sundance: "We gotta start somewhere." TL: "Pay x amount if there is no free live stream." MLG: "Too much, we should get it for free anyways." For the record, I'm not an MLG hater I already got my pass but this is very black/white for me. If MLG can't afford it for w/e reason then that's fine but it shouldn't expect it to be free. | ||
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fortheGG
United Kingdom1002 Posts
On February 25 2012 00:19 Cascade wrote: Well, you are not temp banned yet, so I guess he will just let you go on and come off as needy for attention? Guess not, funny how this reminds me of the Idra fiasco | ||
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fortheGG
United Kingdom1002 Posts
On February 25 2012 00:22 Condor Hero wrote: lol why does the figure matter? Random Starcraft fan: "$20 is too much for one event." Sundance: "We gotta start somewhere." TL: "Pay x amount if there is no free live stream." MLG: "Too much, we should get it for free anyways." I don't want to use the 10k, but say if they did ask TL for x$ to be listed on the calendar when other streams get it for free. There is a big difference if x was 200k and if it was 100$, especially since they tried to make the point that they are struggling financially. | ||
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Novalisk
Israel1818 Posts
On February 25 2012 00:22 Condor Hero wrote: lol why does the figure matter? Random Starcraft fan: "$20 is too much for one event." Sundance: "We gotta start somewhere." TL: "Pay x amount if there is no free live stream." MLG: "Too much, we should get it for free anyways." For the record, I'm not an MLG hater I already got my pass but this is very black/white for me. If MLG can't afford it for w/e reason then that's fine but it shouldn't expect it to be free. Source that MLG wanted it for free? | ||
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). The price that was initially quoted was a lot of money. How much was originally offered will remain between MLG and TL, but I will say it was not an insignificant amount by any means and further negotiation did not happen because we were pretty far apart on what was proposed and what we were willing to spend. All that being said, we respect TL's position on this matter. MLG is gearing up to run an amazing show this weekend. Whether you think we're doing the right thing or not with this PPV effort, I hope those that tune in have a great experience. 
