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SushilS
Profile Joined November 2010
2115 Posts
February 24 2012 07:35 GMT
#781
I LOVE YOU TL!
iceiceice: I’m going to make this short; I am the one true tinker player.
Harpolean
Profile Joined October 2010
United Kingdom40 Posts
February 24 2012 08:02 GMT
#782
*Scans the calendar to check if MLG is indeed this weekend, looks confused, then reads this post*

Many thanks, completely understand <3
http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/Harpolean (EU Server Harpolean.169 - Diamond 1v1 Random)
Amai Liu
Profile Joined November 2011
Poland2 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-24 08:34:16
February 24 2012 08:33 GMT
#783
Good job Team Liquid correct decision
keep on the good work
Tryxtira
Profile Joined November 2010
Sweden572 Posts
February 24 2012 10:42 GMT
#784
I understand and respect the decision from TL, however I believe the reasoning has certain flaws. I believed that the calendar was a useful tool for TL-members to be able to see what events are going on when and where. Well, well, I think this sucks but I understand why TL does it.
avcer
Profile Joined February 2012
7 Posts
February 24 2012 11:11 GMT
#785
On February 24 2012 08:56 MLG_Adam wrote:

Hey everyone, was not going to post in this thread, but just wanted to clarify one piece of information (and wow 35 pages...well done ). The price that was initially quoted was a lot of money. How much was originally offered will remain between MLG and TL, but I will say it was not an insignificant amount by any means and further negotiation did not happen because we were pretty far apart on what was proposed and what we were willing to spend. All that being said, we respect TL's position on this matter. MLG is gearing up to run an amazing show this weekend. Whether you think we're doing the right thing or not with this PPV effort, I hope those that tune in have a great experience.

Have a great weekend!



After the whole PR debacle surrounding the event, I am somewhat curious about the motivation to post this. I completely see the need to comment on TL's decision but why in this manner? What spoke against just a couple of formal lines, stating something to the effect of "We're sorry that no agreement could be reached, wish TL the best of luck and hope to continue our cooperation" and instead adopting a passive-aggressive tone? It just so fatally continues the terrible way with which PR issues were treated up to this point that it is truly baffling and I am genuinely interested in the motivation for the particular wording.
PresenceSc2
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia4032 Posts
February 24 2012 11:36 GMT
#786
Are we allowed to have a LR thread?
Stephano//HerO//TaeJa//Squirtle//Bomber
Iyerbeth
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
England2410 Posts
February 24 2012 11:43 GMT
#787
On February 24 2012 20:36 Za7oX wrote:
Are we allowed to have a LR thread?


Yeah.

On February 23 2012 12:54 Hot_Bid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 23 2012 12:53 Imbu wrote:
Perfect right up. It shouldn't be that much of a problem for MLG, all those that were going to watch the finals anyways probably already have gotten the PPV pass.

Will the live report threads still be okay?

Yes the LR threads and news threads will be as usual, even if some people aren't watching we still feel that TL should be a place to discuss things and interact with other fans.
♥ Liquid`Sheth ♥ Liquid`TLO ♥
PresenceSc2
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia4032 Posts
February 24 2012 11:46 GMT
#788
On February 24 2012 20:43 Iyerbeth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 24 2012 20:36 Za7oX wrote:
Are we allowed to have a LR thread?


Yeah.

Show nested quote +
On February 23 2012 12:54 Hot_Bid wrote:
On February 23 2012 12:53 Imbu wrote:
Perfect right up. It shouldn't be that much of a problem for MLG, all those that were going to watch the finals anyways probably already have gotten the PPV pass.

Will the live report threads still be okay?

Yes the LR threads and news threads will be as usual, even if some people aren't watching we still feel that TL should be a place to discuss things and interact with other fans.


TY
Stephano//HerO//TaeJa//Squirtle//Bomber
resilve
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United Kingdom678 Posts
February 24 2012 12:04 GMT
#789
Classy move TL - I like it very much.

Socke Fighting!!!!
BlackDove
Profile Joined February 2010
Sweden11 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-24 12:13:41
February 24 2012 12:09 GMT
#790
Holy shit, big kudos for not taking the easy road and going the "let's just do whatever makes money" route.

Big props. Keep on truckin'

On February 24 2012 20:11 avcer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 24 2012 08:56 MLG_Adam wrote:

Hey everyone, was not going to post in this thread, but just wanted to clarify one piece of information (and wow 35 pages...well done ). The price that was initially quoted was a lot of money. How much was originally offered will remain between MLG and TL, but I will say it was not an insignificant amount by any means and further negotiation did not happen because we were pretty far apart on what was proposed and what we were willing to spend. All that being said, we respect TL's position on this matter. MLG is gearing up to run an amazing show this weekend. Whether you think we're doing the right thing or not with this PPV effort, I hope those that tune in have a great experience.

Have a great weekend!



After the whole PR debacle surrounding the event, I am somewhat curious about the motivation to post this. I completely see the need to comment on TL's decision but why in this manner? What spoke against just a couple of formal lines, stating something to the effect of "We're sorry that no agreement could be reached, wish TL the best of luck and hope to continue our cooperation" and instead adopting a passive-aggressive tone? It just so fatally continues the terrible way with which PR issues were treated up to this point that it is truly baffling and I am genuinely interested in the motivation for the particular wording.


This may just be my view, but I believe it was worded like that intentionally in order to portray TL as a money grubbing parasite, and not as an organization that thinks what MLG is trying to do being patently offensive towards what is the current standard.

Bottom line, whether it's true or not isn't really important. What is important in my opinion, is that the MLG PPV model combusts in a sea of flames and dies as quick as it can.
Chriscras
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Korea (South)2812 Posts
February 24 2012 12:14 GMT
#791
Sooooooo..............

Does anyone know what time MLG Arena starts
"En taro adun, Executor."
avcer
Profile Joined February 2012
7 Posts
February 24 2012 12:17 GMT
#792
On February 24 2012 21:09 BlackDove wrote:

Show nested quote +
On February 24 2012 20:11 avcer wrote:
On February 24 2012 08:56 MLG_Adam wrote:

Hey everyone, was not going to post in this thread, but just wanted to clarify one piece of information (and wow 35 pages...well done ). The price that was initially quoted was a lot of money. How much was originally offered will remain between MLG and TL, but I will say it was not an insignificant amount by any means and further negotiation did not happen because we were pretty far apart on what was proposed and what we were willing to spend. All that being said, we respect TL's position on this matter. MLG is gearing up to run an amazing show this weekend. Whether you think we're doing the right thing or not with this PPV effort, I hope those that tune in have a great experience.

Have a great weekend!



After the whole PR debacle surrounding the event, I am somewhat curious about the motivation to post this. I completely see the need to comment on TL's decision but why in this manner? What spoke against just a couple of formal lines, stating something to the effect of "We're sorry that no agreement could be reached, wish TL the best of luck and hope to continue our cooperation" and instead adopting a passive-aggressive tone? It just so fatally continues the terrible way with which PR issues were treated up to this point that it is truly baffling and I am genuinely interested in the motivation for the particular wording.


This may just be my view, but I believe it was worded like that intentionally in order to portray TL as a money grubbing parasite, and not as an organization that thinks what MLG is trying to do being patently offensive towards what is the current standard.

Bottom line, whether it's true or not isn't really important. What is important in my opinion, is that the MLG PPV model combusts in a sea of flames and dies as quick as it can.


Well, that is obviously the subtext that was implied. But I still wonder what lead to that response - that is, what the intended upside of the wording was - that would make it more than yet another instance of terribly handled PR.
BlackDove
Profile Joined February 2010
Sweden11 Posts
February 24 2012 12:23 GMT
#793
On February 24 2012 21:17 avcer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 24 2012 21:09 BlackDove wrote:

On February 24 2012 20:11 avcer wrote:
On February 24 2012 08:56 MLG_Adam wrote:

Hey everyone, was not going to post in this thread, but just wanted to clarify one piece of information (and wow 35 pages...well done ). The price that was initially quoted was a lot of money. How much was originally offered will remain between MLG and TL, but I will say it was not an insignificant amount by any means and further negotiation did not happen because we were pretty far apart on what was proposed and what we were willing to spend. All that being said, we respect TL's position on this matter. MLG is gearing up to run an amazing show this weekend. Whether you think we're doing the right thing or not with this PPV effort, I hope those that tune in have a great experience.

Have a great weekend!



After the whole PR debacle surrounding the event, I am somewhat curious about the motivation to post this. I completely see the need to comment on TL's decision but why in this manner? What spoke against just a couple of formal lines, stating something to the effect of "We're sorry that no agreement could be reached, wish TL the best of luck and hope to continue our cooperation" and instead adopting a passive-aggressive tone? It just so fatally continues the terrible way with which PR issues were treated up to this point that it is truly baffling and I am genuinely interested in the motivation for the particular wording.


This may just be my view, but I believe it was worded like that intentionally in order to portray TL as a money grubbing parasite, and not as an organization that thinks what MLG is trying to do being patently offensive towards what is the current standard.

Bottom line, whether it's true or not isn't really important. What is important in my opinion, is that the MLG PPV model combusts in a sea of flames and dies as quick as it can.


Well, that is obviously the subtext that was implied. But I still wonder what lead to that response - that is, what the intended upside of the wording was - that would make it more than yet another instance of terribly handled PR.


I guess they feel like they don't have anything to lose.

I mean, not having TL support means that this tournament is going to be relegated to a heavy background, I mean especially with Assembly going on.

So if you can "tell the truth" about the real story behind the lack of support from TL, perhaps the intention is for the community to sound a rallying cry and shout "INJUSTICE" towards MLG's knightly braveheart demeanor.

I don't know. Just a thought.
Hundisilm
Profile Joined July 2011
Estonia99 Posts
February 24 2012 12:41 GMT
#794
Not entirely sure about this. Seems like just being annoying for people who'd want to watch it (probably not a particularly big deal though). It does reduce the functionality of the webpage somewhat (makes it worse ), but I suppose there is the trade-off whether you want to make money from advertising (I'm a tad worried about the price war mentality a bit to be honest).

The reasoning with what the calendar should be (links to streams) seems reasonable enough. It's just not as good as a calendar where more stuff is present. Sundance probably gets it though.
nachtkap
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany195 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-24 13:20:30
February 24 2012 12:50 GMT
#795
On February 24 2012 08:56 MLG_Adam wrote:
but I will say it was not an insignificant amount by any means

.... that MLG is charging for PPV
LordJerith
Profile Joined May 2011
United States92 Posts
February 24 2012 13:59 GMT
#796
1)I have no reason to lie. I have zero motivation to lie or start a rumor.
2) I am not starting a "rumor." My source is reliable, and I would not make such a statement unless I knew it to come from a very reliable source.
3) MLG responded on twitter with "no comment." Having had Sundance on our podcast show 6 times, having MLG Clap, Adam, on twice, if it were false, I have a good felling they would have told me. Besides, if they have this "great" relationship with TL why not defend their "great partner?"

I stand by what I said 100%. If you chose to believe TL on this, that is your choice. In my 5 years of dealings with anyone in eSports my reputation and credibility is not something I feel I have to defend. I am not "starting a rumor." I am telling you that I have it on a solid, reliable source that TL asked MLG for $10K. Period.

Also, HB said that "MLG felt we should not charge." So, I am to believe that they told MLG they were going to charge but price never came up? This further casts doubt on their statement.

You can doubt my source. But let me make it clear I have no dog in this fight. I don't come on forums for attention. This does not nothing to help vVv Gaming. I put no links to the vVv site to drive traffic. Sorry, I don't know a better way to seem more sincere and transparent without violating the relationship I have with my source. I will not do that.

I firmly believe that TL asked MLG for $10K, and I wish both parties would come out with a joint statement saying that it is false, and then we all know for sure.



LordJerith
Profile Joined May 2011
United States92 Posts
February 24 2012 14:06 GMT
#797
[QUOTE]On February 24 2012 20:11 avcer wrote:
[QUOTE]On February 24 2012 08:56 MLG_Adam wrote:

Hey everyone, was not going to post in this thread, but just wanted to clarify one piece of information (and wow 35 pages...well done ). The price that was initially quoted was a lot of money. How much was originally offered will remain between MLG and TL, but I will say it was not an insignificant amount by any means and further negotiation did not happen because we were pretty far apart on what was proposed and what we were willing to spend. All that being said, we respect TL's position on this matter. MLG is gearing up to run an amazing show this weekend. Whether you think we're doing the right thing or not with this PPV effort, I hope those that tune in have a great experience.

Have a great weekend![/QUOTE]


Thanks for helping clear up that a price WAS quoted. I do hope this restores my credibility, and makes it clear that I had no motivation to start any rumors.
Full.tilt
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United Kingdom1709 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-24 14:10:03
February 24 2012 14:08 GMT
#798
On February 24 2012 22:59 LordJerith wrote:
1)I have no reason to lie. I have zero motivation to lie or start a rumor.
2) I am not starting a "rumor." My source is reliable, and I would not make such a statement unless I knew it to come from a very reliable source.
3) MLG responded on twitter with "no comment." Having had Sundance on our podcast show 6 times, having MLG Clap, Adam, on twice, if it were false, I have a good felling they would have told me. Besides, if they have this "great" relationship with TL why not defend their "great partner?"

I stand by what I said 100%. If you chose to believe TL on this, that is your choice. In my 5 years of dealings with anyone in eSports my reputation and credibility is not something I feel I have to defend. I am not "starting a rumor." I am telling you that I have it on a solid, reliable source that TL asked MLG for $10K. Period.

Also, HB said that "MLG felt we should not charge." So, I am to believe that they told MLG they were going to charge but price never came up? This further casts doubt on their statement.

You can doubt my source. But let me make it clear I have no dog in this fight. I don't come on forums for attention. This does not nothing to help vVv Gaming. I put no links to the vVv site to drive traffic. Sorry, I don't know a better way to seem more sincere and transparent without violating the relationship I have with my source. I will not do that.

I firmly believe that TL asked MLG for $10K, and I wish both parties would come out with a joint statement saying that it is false, and then we all know for sure.



HB has said that TL put forward a price but it wasn't 10k and it wasn't negotiated, MLGAdam has said a price was mentioned but it wasn't acceptable to MLG and it wasn't negotiated.

They are first hand statements which have far more weight than hearsay from you.
LordJerith
Profile Joined May 2011
United States92 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-24 14:13:47
February 24 2012 14:12 GMT
#799
On February 24 2012 23:08 Full.tilt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 24 2012 22:59 LordJerith wrote:
1)I have no reason to lie. I have zero motivation to lie or start a rumor.
2) I am not starting a "rumor." My source is reliable, and I would not make such a statement unless I knew it to come from a very reliable source.
3) MLG responded on twitter with "no comment." Having had Sundance on our podcast show 6 times, having MLG Clap, Adam, on twice, if it were false, I have a good felling they would have told me. Besides, if they have this "great" relationship with TL why not defend their "great partner?"

I stand by what I said 100%. If you chose to believe TL on this, that is your choice. In my 5 years of dealings with anyone in eSports my reputation and credibility is not something I feel I have to defend. I am not "starting a rumor." I am telling you that I have it on a solid, reliable source that TL asked MLG for $10K. Period.

Also, HB said that "MLG felt we should not charge." So, I am to believe that they told MLG they were going to charge but price never came up? This further casts doubt on their statement.

You can doubt my source. But let me make it clear I have no dog in this fight. I don't come on forums for attention. This does not nothing to help vVv Gaming. I put no links to the vVv site to drive traffic. Sorry, I don't know a better way to seem more sincere and transparent without violating the relationship I have with my source. I will not do that.

I firmly believe that TL asked MLG for $10K, and I wish both parties would come out with a joint statement saying that it is false, and then we all know for sure.


HB has said that TL put forward a price but it wasn't 10k and it wasn't negotiated, MLGAdam has said a price was mentioned but it wasn't acceptable to MLG and it wasn't negotiated.

They are first hand statements which have far more weight than hearsay from you.


That is not what was initially said. I recommend you go back and look through this thread. Finally, to be clear, hearsay is not the same as a trusted, reliable source. If you feel what I say is hearsay, that is your choice. What I stated was not.
LordJerith
Profile Joined May 2011
United States92 Posts
February 24 2012 14:15 GMT
#800
On February 24 2012 21:14 Chriscras wrote:
Sooooooo..............

Does anyone know what time MLG Arena starts


5:30PM EST (GMT-5). http://pro.majorleaguegaming.com/competitions/29#event_87_broadcast-schedule
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