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Brockbfball1563
United States6 Posts
On February 24 2012 04:52 Geo.Rion wrote: did u register so you can post that? bring a source or something at least. btw 10k sure sounds a lot but it's not an ungodly ammount of money for adverismenet Considering it says he registered a week ago, I find it hard to believe he joined for this reason. | ||
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Hrrrrm
United States2081 Posts
On February 24 2012 04:42 Zorkmid wrote: MLG Adam said on SoTG #63 that they were exponentially ahead of where they expected to be in terms of sales of passes. I don't think there's any need to feel sad for them. I suspect they're going to do very well this weekend. Do you really think they would say they are doing horrible and no one has bought their passes if that were the case? Of course not because that would create a negative vibe around the event and make people on the fence hesitate that they would be watching an event that no one else is watching. They want to create a positive vibe and you do that by saying what they have. Unless they are providing hard numbers understand everything that comes out of them is PR. It's no different than politics at this point. | ||
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Dexx
Germany175 Posts
On the other hand, I think it was about money as well. TL earns money for traffic and ads while they have stream window. PPV denies that kind of revenue obviously. MLG didn't want to share the cake, then TL went away and MLG did not try to make them come back. | ||
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robzgod
78 Posts
On February 24 2012 04:56 ThisIsJimmy wrote: All money issues aside, this is just a dick move by TL. Just put it on the calendar and don't link the stream. It is MLG... the largest most hyped tournament in North America all last year. Nearly every Starcraft fan cares about it and for that reason alone it should be there. It should be that simple. Agreed, although TL might be salty for MLG charging PPV, they're really doing eSports a disservice by not supporting this tournament. By supporting this decision, you're not supporting the growth in eSports which is what MLG is trying to do. PPV is a step in the right direction and will eventually become the new norm. | ||
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farvacola
United States18869 Posts
On February 24 2012 05:03 robzgod wrote: Agreed, although TL might be salty for MLG charging PPV, they're really doing eSports a disservice by not supporting this tournament. By supporting this decision, you're not supporting the growth in eSports which is what MLG is trying to do. PPV is a step in the right direction and will eventually become the new norm. Thats just it, this was an opportunity for two organizations with similar goals in mind to come to an agreement and avoid conflict where there needn't be any. Instead, TL seems to think that supporting MLG is no longer in their interest, and this is not good. | ||
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Torenhire
United States11681 Posts
On February 24 2012 04:48 robzgod wrote: I'm just going to leave this here. http://e.images.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/15093972.jpg you do realize that a) you're not supposed to post like this b) your meme doesn't even make any sense?? Nice try though. Also where the heck are you pulling this "10k" business. You have yet to come out and say your "reliable source" so we're just supposed to believe you? Haha, yeah okay. | ||
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gruff
Sweden2276 Posts
On February 24 2012 04:33 LordJerith wrote: Really?! MLG never once asked, "How much would this cost?" Yeah, seems a bit weird. In that case both parties just draw a line in the sand and that was that. Maybe MLG just don't value the calendar link too much so they didn't bother. | ||
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phanto
Sweden708 Posts
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Takezou
United States320 Posts
On February 24 2012 04:48 robzgod wrote: I'm just going to leave this here. http://e.images.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/15093972.jpg Especially if you are from vVv gaming staff then this is a really dumb post to make. All you are doing is starting drama in a childish way and representing your team in a bad light. | ||
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Xalorian
Canada433 Posts
On February 24 2012 05:05 farvacola wrote: Thats just it, this was an opportunity for two organizations with similar goals in mind to come to an agreement and avoid conflict where there needn't be any. Instead, TL seems to think that supporting MLG is no longer in their interest, and this is not good. What? No. TL calendar and live stream never was a place where you could see a calendar with every fucking single SC2 events and content possible on it. It was a place where you could see a list of free embebded stream, quickly and easily. It's not "a dick move", nor a try to kill eSports or MLG. And for god sake, PPV is not the future of eSport, it's bullshit. Seriously, MLG handled that one so poorly, it's not even funny. TL took a fair stance. If you are doing a PPV only event,you need to pay to be part of the new featured stream list, including the featured PPV event. TL just draw a line... a line that make sense and that is reasonable. MLG want to grow by going PPV... cool for them. TL want to grow by charging money to the event that want to be featured on the Calendar and stream... how is that unfair? Do you know another website that give free ads to PPV content for the sake of it? So MLG can charge money for their events but TL can't charge for their advertisement space? Come on already, this is completly retarded. I am not against MLG nor PPV. I will probably buy a ticket tomorow, because I feel like watching all those games live. If you want to go PPV, fine, that's cool... but then don't expect people to advertise your product for free. This make no senses, at all. And TL did way more for eSport that MLG. Actually, MLG is having success only because of TL and SC2. | ||
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leecH
Germany385 Posts
On February 24 2012 04:42 Zorkmid wrote: MLG Adam said on SoTG #63 that they were exponentially ahead of where they expected to be in terms of sales of passes. I don't think there's any need to feel sad for them. I suspect they're going to do very well this weekend. theyll do as i suspect. i can confrim this after the event when i state that it went as i had expected it to go. but i get it. i get what you want to say. ive seen all podcasts with MLG people popping out all of a sudden. does change absolutly nothing about my oppinion on the topic. and i´ve heard nothing more then blablablabla PR blablabla PR.. thing is.. why would you say that its already a failure beforehand? lets just say, for the sake of this arguement, that MLG already know they haven´t sell enough tickets. there is no fracking reason to admit it BEFORE the event. they would sell even less if theyd do so. you cant take anything seriously what wnyone from MLG says in public. it would be insane if you would admin it beforehand that it wont be a sucess you would sshh costumers away. so my point is not MLG going to fail. my point is you cant refere to something someone from this company stated in a podcast. i read newspapers. i have a major in bullshit detection. teamliquid > MLG ps. "inside source" is such crap. everyone can do this. i have an inside source saying Sundance likes to sleep in a pijama with ponies on it. | ||
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robzgod
78 Posts
On February 24 2012 05:05 Torenhire wrote: you do realize that a) you're not supposed to post like this b) your meme doesn't even make any sense?? Nice try though. Also where the heck are you pulling this "10k" business. You have yet to come out and say your "reliable source" so we're just supposed to believe you? Haha, yeah okay. TL could post that they're supporting Al-Qaeda and you all would agree. Sheep. User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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Fraynetrain
United States7 Posts
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
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JoeSchmoe
Canada2058 Posts
On February 24 2012 05:03 robzgod wrote: Agreed, although TL might be salty for MLG charging PPV, they're really doing eSports a disservice by not supporting this tournament. By supporting this decision, you're not supporting the growth in eSports which is what MLG is trying to do. PPV is a step in the right direction and will eventually become the new norm. stop making crude generalizations about how TL is destroying e-sports by not supporting MLG. PPV will not be the norm. all evidence indicates otherwise. I love how people have somehow adopted the impression that MLG are losing money and are the good guys in all this trying to salvage e-sports. are they really? they are still one of the most well sponsored tournaments and yet offered one of the smallest prize pools in all of e-sports. You think they're just going to drop sponsors if the PPV model proves successful? yeah right. as far as I'm concerned, they're just abusing their popularity to extract more money from fans. | ||
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RvB
Netherlands6324 Posts
On February 24 2012 05:14 robzgod wrote: TL could post that they're supporting Al-Qaeda and you all would agree. Sheep. You're amazing at making an ass out of yourself. | ||
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ES_JohnClark
United States1121 Posts
On February 24 2012 04:50 Torte de Lini wrote: My God, why do you talk for Jerith? They already said that no talks of money was ever made before this reliable source ever spoke up. It's all now "he said/she said" and since TL already said nothing was made, I doubt they'd go back on their word if there was any truth to this source. You won't get a public confirmation with a name rofl. Don't advocate for transparency and confirmation when you won't reveal source, too contradictory It was not Jerith that I heard that amount from. I am just asking. The person that I heard it from could have very well heard it from someone else.. this is why I ask. I really don't have a clue.. but would very much like to find out. Honestly though.. if TL comes out and says "hey.. its non of your business"... then I am more then fine with that answer, because it really is non of our business. However, if the amount is 10K, regardless of what response TL gives.. then I just feel like it is an absurd amount of money and kind of changing the entire 'feel' of this thread and the entire situation. Just my inquiring mind sir. | ||
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Aldin_D2x
Canada55 Posts
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Flondra
Canada56 Posts
On February 24 2012 05:18 JoeSchmoe wrote: stop making crude generalizations about how TL is destroying e-sports by not supporting MLG. PPV will not be the norm. all evidence indicates otherwise. I love how people have somehow adopted the impression that MLG are losing money and are the good guys in all this trying to salvage e-sports. are they really? they are still one of the most well sponsored tournaments and yet offered one of the smallest prize pools in all of e-sports. You think they're just going to drop sponsors if the PPV model proves successful? yeah right. as far as I'm concerned, they're just abusing their popularity to extract more money from fans. Wasn't MLG in the red after each event, and what evidence is there that people are making a bunch of money off of SC2 right now? | ||
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Vansetsu
United States1454 Posts
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