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Krallman
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden713 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-23 19:38:38
February 23 2012 19:38 GMT
#581
Just a question off topic, are you able to be online several people at the same account at once?
Im better than Stefan
leecH
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany385 Posts
February 23 2012 19:39 GMT
#582
On February 24 2012 04:33 LordJerith wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 23 2012 13:02 Hot_Bid wrote:
On February 23 2012 12:56 Ghanburighan wrote:
I understand the viewpoint, but I do not agree with the final decision nor the way it was conducted now.

TL as always tries to be transparent but there are questions here that need to be answered. If MLG offered referral program participation and TL refused and TL offered advertising space and MLG refused, then it seems to me that it's a question of money rather than principle. Didn't MLG offer enough money through the referral program and TL wanted more for advertising? Unless we know those numbers, it's hard to take this announcement at face value.

Secondly, it seems an impossible task for MLG (or anyone) to " find a revenue model that allows them to keep running successful events." if PPV will immediately cause costs to increase and reduce their community advertising. We know that TL is the hub for all things to SC2 and not being showcased here will damage their event.

Although, I don't think TL is the cause of these problems. I can imagine that MLG did not talk to TL quite as much as they could have, nor has MLG gone to great lengths to actually pay for these services (which, to be honest, are taken for granted by many). On the other hand, the Winter Arena must be one of the most frequently mentioned topics on TL at the moment, so perhaps removing the calendar option is mostly a demonstration of attitude than an actually painful lesson being taught to MLG.

Neither of these conversations (the referral program or the calendar spot) reached the point where we were negotiating prices at all. We declined to be a part of the referral program for the reasons we stated, and they did not feel we should charge anything for the calendar entry.


Really?! MLG never once asked, "How much would this cost?"


i have hard time understanding this aswell. are they all sitting in a room smoking cigars drinking scotch an laughing at teamliquid? i wonder how much people will just randomly find out during the tournament "oh fuck it´s this weekend. id buy that but its already one day in so..."

at first i was angry at mlg now im just feeling sad for them.
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
February 23 2012 19:39 GMT
#583
On February 24 2012 04:33 LordJerith wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 23 2012 13:02 Hot_Bid wrote:
On February 23 2012 12:56 Ghanburighan wrote:
I understand the viewpoint, but I do not agree with the final decision nor the way it was conducted now.

TL as always tries to be transparent but there are questions here that need to be answered. If MLG offered referral program participation and TL refused and TL offered advertising space and MLG refused, then it seems to me that it's a question of money rather than principle. Didn't MLG offer enough money through the referral program and TL wanted more for advertising? Unless we know those numbers, it's hard to take this announcement at face value.

Secondly, it seems an impossible task for MLG (or anyone) to " find a revenue model that allows them to keep running successful events." if PPV will immediately cause costs to increase and reduce their community advertising. We know that TL is the hub for all things to SC2 and not being showcased here will damage their event.

Although, I don't think TL is the cause of these problems. I can imagine that MLG did not talk to TL quite as much as they could have, nor has MLG gone to great lengths to actually pay for these services (which, to be honest, are taken for granted by many). On the other hand, the Winter Arena must be one of the most frequently mentioned topics on TL at the moment, so perhaps removing the calendar option is mostly a demonstration of attitude than an actually painful lesson being taught to MLG.

Neither of these conversations (the referral program or the calendar spot) reached the point where we were negotiating prices at all. We declined to be a part of the referral program for the reasons we stated, and they did not feel we should charge anything for the calendar entry.


Really?! MLG never once asked, "How much would this cost?"


I answered this on Twitter :B Let's talk here instead of clogging my twitter!
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
Kralic
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada2628 Posts
February 23 2012 19:40 GMT
#584
On February 24 2012 04:31 Vagabond wrote:
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On February 24 2012 04:24 farvacola wrote:
The hordes of Europeans in this thread who do nothing to hide their desire to see MLG fail are hurting esports. The us vs them mentality is starting to take root, and doom may be upon us.

This is not a us vs them debate... MLG did not want to pay for TL to be put on the Calander for thier ppv event. expecting it to be free like all gold members thought the winter arena would be to them


I am a gold member and I didn't expect to be entitled to it for free, it was clearly a new product and something different from the usual pro circuit events.
Brood War forever!
101998
Profile Joined December 2010
United States318 Posts
February 23 2012 19:40 GMT
#585
Sounds like a lot of drama for no reason. Hot_bid is troll_master_01 though, so I guess I should expect him to excrete pointless drama at every opportunity.
Zorkmid
Profile Joined November 2008
4410 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-23 19:44:13
February 23 2012 19:42 GMT
#586
On February 24 2012 04:39 leecH wrote:
at first i was angry at mlg now im just feeling sad for them.


MLG Adam said on SoTG #63 that they were exponentially ahead of where they expected to be in terms of sales of passes.

I don't think there's any need to feel sad for them. I suspect they're going to do very well this weekend.
MercilessMonkey
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada150 Posts
February 23 2012 19:42 GMT
#587
On February 24 2012 04:40 101998 wrote:
Sounds like a lot of drama for no reason. Hot_bid is troll_master_01 though, so I guess I should expect him to excrete pointless drama at every opportunity.


I don't think a reasonable post explaining the actions of TL is starting drama. There are multiple much more dramatic threads about the MLG PPV than this one.
Spectralx
Profile Joined November 2010
United States198 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-23 19:45:44
February 23 2012 19:45 GMT
#588
gl
Spectral - Paralyzed Quadriplegic Gamer
ES_JohnClark
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1121 Posts
February 23 2012 19:46 GMT
#589
So.. this could just be a rumor..but comes from a very reliable source..

The amount requested by TL was 10k????

The only reason I bring this up is because I support TL's decisions, I am against how MLG handled the PPV..but if the 10K is the amount.. then I have to now disagree with TL's decision! That amount of money would be purely a 'money grab' and make what TL did here look very poor.

Can anyone confirm this amount. Any comment from TL? I love what TL is doing here and I agree with their stance on this.. but for 10K..that's absurd.

Still Naked!
robzgod
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
78 Posts
February 23 2012 19:48 GMT
#590
I'm just going to leave this here.

http://e.images.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/15093972.jpg
"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't - you're right."
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18856 Posts
February 23 2012 19:49 GMT
#591
On February 24 2012 04:46 csn_JohnClark wrote:
So.. this could just be a rumor..but comes from a very reliable source..

The amount requested by TL was 10k????

The only reason I bring this up is because I support TL's decisions, I am against how MLG handled the PPV..but if the 10K is the amount.. then I have to now disagree with TL's decision! That amount of money would be purely a 'money grab' and make what TL did here look very poor.

Can anyone confirm this amount. Any comment from TL? I love what TL is doing here and I agree with their stance on this.. but for 10K..that's absurd.


Transparency! We must have it, as it would appear the lines are being drawn in the sand.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
RvB
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Netherlands6272 Posts
February 23 2012 19:50 GMT
#592
On February 24 2012 04:42 Zorkmid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 24 2012 04:39 leecH wrote:
at first i was angry at mlg now im just feeling sad for them.


MLG Adam said on SoTG #63 that they were exponentially ahead of where they expected to be in terms of sales of passes.

I don't think there's any need to feel sad for them. I suspect they're going to do very well this weekend.


We don't know how much sales they expected and we don't know how much 'exponentially ahead' is. We don't have any numbers and it's pretty weird to just trust everything they say.
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-23 19:51:23
February 23 2012 19:50 GMT
#593
On February 24 2012 04:46 csn_JohnClark wrote:
So.. this could just be a rumor..but comes from a very reliable source..

The amount requested by TL was 10k????

The only reason I bring this up is because I support TL's decisions, I am against how MLG handled the PPV..but if the 10K is the amount.. then I have to now disagree with TL's decision! That amount of money would be purely a 'money grab' and make what TL did here look very poor.

Can anyone confirm this amount. Any comment from TL? I love what TL is doing here and I agree with their stance on this.. but for 10K..that's absurd.



My God, why do you talk for Jerith? They already said that no talks of money was ever made before this reliable source ever spoke up. It's all now "he said/she said" and since TL already said nothing was made, I doubt they'd go back on their word if there was any truth to this source.

You won't get a public confirmation with a name rofl. Don't advocate for transparency and confirmation when you won't reveal source, too contradictory
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Geo.Rion
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
7377 Posts
February 23 2012 19:52 GMT
#594
On February 24 2012 04:48 robzgod wrote:
I'm just going to leave this here.

http://e.images.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/15093972.jpg

did u register so you can post that?
bring a source or something at least. btw 10k sure sounds a lot but it's not an ungodly ammount of money for adverismenet
"Protoss is a joke" Liquid`Jinro Okt.1. 2011
ThisIsJimmy
Profile Joined July 2004
United States546 Posts
February 23 2012 19:56 GMT
#595
All money issues aside, this is just a dick move by TL. Just put it on the calendar and don't link the stream. It is MLG... the largest most hyped tournament in North America all last year.

Nearly every Starcraft fan cares about it and for that reason alone it should be there. It should be that simple.
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THM
Profile Joined November 2010
Bulgaria1131 Posts
February 23 2012 19:56 GMT
#596
Great decision TL!
robzgod
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
78 Posts
February 23 2012 19:56 GMT
#597
On February 24 2012 04:52 Geo.Rion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 24 2012 04:48 robzgod wrote:
I'm just going to leave this here.

http://e.images.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/15093972.jpg

did u register so you can post that?
bring a source or something at least. btw 10k sure sounds a lot but it's not an ungodly ammount of money for adverismenet


No, I registered a few days ago to post in the Health and Fitness section.

"Whether you think you can, or you think you can't - you're right."
Kralic
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada2628 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-23 19:57:29
February 23 2012 19:56 GMT
#598
I would rather trust a source from either of the organisations involved instead of from an outside "source" that should have nothing to do with these "negotiations". Seems like an attention grab by vVv if they were the "reliable" source. Unless they provide solid proof, it is stupid to start a rumour like that.
Brood War forever!
JoeSchmoe
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada2058 Posts
February 23 2012 19:58 GMT
#599
On February 24 2012 04:46 csn_JohnClark wrote:
So.. this could just be a rumor..but comes from a very reliable source..

The amount requested by TL was 10k????

The only reason I bring this up is because I support TL's decisions, I am against how MLG handled the PPV..but if the 10K is the amount.. then I have to now disagree with TL's decision! That amount of money would be purely a 'money grab' and make what TL did here look very poor.

Can anyone confirm this amount. Any comment from TL? I love what TL is doing here and I agree with their stance on this.. but for 10K..that's absurd.



I also heard from this other very reliable source that TL was going to pay 10k for MLG to put the PPV on their calendar! crazy right?
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
February 23 2012 19:59 GMT
#600
On February 24 2012 04:56 Kralic wrote:
I would rather trust a source from either of the organisations involved instead of from an outside "source" that should have nothing to do with these "negotiations". Seems like an attention grab by vVv if they were the "reliable" source. Unless they provide solid proof, it is stupid to start a rumour like that.


1,000% agreed. I'm all for theories and possibilities. But you look less credible coming out blatantly like this then to do a little more digging rather than relying on a "source"
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