EPT+ u can find plenty of stuff related to MLG winter arena here on TL.
There is enough advertisement here on liquid for free atm.
TL doing there best to support MLG as best as they can in my opinion. 100% MLG 'Fault' with this drama.
Credits to TL!
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Gumbotwins
Netherlands256 Posts
+ u can find plenty of stuff related to MLG winter arena here on TL. There is enough advertisement here on liquid for free atm. TL doing there best to support MLG as best as they can in my opinion. 100% MLG 'Fault' with this drama. Credits to TL! | ||
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00Visor
4337 Posts
On February 23 2012 23:18 Gumbotwins wrote: I honestly think ROG will have more viewers then MLG, Maybe its time for another "foreign" tourny to get there deserved attention. ROG is free. They will easily have a multiple amount of viewers. Thats not a bold statement  . | ||
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pbkim
United States24 Posts
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
Also, TL is clearly trying to pander to its users while being diplomatic when it simultaneously says that "we had reservations with a PPV model with no free stream option" and "[t]his doesn't mean we disagree with MLG trying this PPV model out." TL is trying to have its cake and eat it too with that contradiction. TL's admins no doubt took note of the results of their poll on the home page and made this decision accordingly. | ||
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werynais
Germany1780 Posts
That's ridiculous. Good decision from TL  | ||
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
On February 23 2012 23:32 pbkim wrote: + Show Spoiler + There has been a lot of controversy in regard to the new PPV model that MLG, for the first time, attemtped to apply into a 2-day internet streaming only tournament. I think that this will be a very high quality in terms of its content, as MLG is flying out the top class players around the world and casters, especially when MLG had run some awesome events in the last season. However, it is a bad business attempt in my opinion for the following reasons: 1. Price 20$. Okay. People pay more than 100$ a year to watch NBA on its internet stream. People pay about the same price as Winter Arena for GSL/month. Then why is MLG Winter Arena over-priced? This tournament is just freaking 2-day tournament and its not even the main event like NBA Playoffs, for example. It is basically like a qualifier with high prize pool for its next actual event; MLG Winter Championship Ohio. Also, MLG Winter Arena is not a open live-event where they have spectators and journalists, who make the event more exciting and more respectable. While I fully understand that small MLG office can't accomodate people else than the players, and that they have to develop some sort of profitable business models to keep their investors interested, but eSports simply isn't big enough to charge 20$ for such small amount of contents, but not the actual quality. 2. Publicity MLG scheduled the event on the same date as the Winter Assembly in Paris. Although it might be that MLG already had this in plan, the date for the Winter Assembly had been announced long time ago even the MLG season 2011 has ended. If MLG wants makes the new PPV model to work as a valid business model, the tournament has to be the time when people have no other option but MLG Winter Arena. I'm sure MLG had a chance to reschedule things especially since the tournament is happening in their own office anyway. I'm a eSports fanatic, and may be a MLG ass-kisser like someone have described people like me as. I'm planning on watching both of the tournaments eventhough it would cost me the unreasonable amount because I'm a no-life, and need-to-get-laid pethetic as described by other fellow TL member for people watching multiple video game streams at a time over the weekends. However, I'm not happy how MLG approached to us, the fans, as to announce the stream will cost 20$ to watch just two-weeks before the events. I mean, as many other eSports fans here, I have my own stuffs to do and some friends to hang-out with, and I put off my other plans to watch "Supposed-to-be Free" MLG stream. All the sudden MLG says okay now we have to charge you 20$. I'm still going to watch it, duh, but I can't be too happy with they've made me pay now when its just 2 weeks before the event. Conclusion: Please, don't say stuffs like, "if you support eSports, put your money into this" when you're making a highly unfavorable business model for customers. I understand there are many reasons behind in the course of launching this tournament, but come on. You could have at least give us the explanations for these seemingly unreasonable way of running a tournament. That's what SNS is for. While it is inevitable to make profitable business model to get investors's interests, failing to do so will investors rather withdraw their money from the industry. I hope to MLG undestands this and improves on their business model in next tournaments to come You do realize this post has nothing to do with the OP, right? There are other threads for this discussion. | ||
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ceaRshaf
Romania4926 Posts
On February 23 2012 23:35 Doodsmack wrote: Strongly disagree with this decision. If TL wants its calendar to be an "information source" to TL users, it makes no sense to not include information about a major SC2 event that's going on. In fact TL is doing its users a disservice by not providing as much notification of the event as possible. The idea that the lack of an embedded free stream means that a calendar link would lack utility for TL users is trivial in my eyes. Simply putting a link to MLG's site would be very simple...it's not direct advertising and again, the purpose of a calendar is to notify people of what events are going on. Also, TL is clearly trying to pander to its users while being diplomatic when it simultaneously says that "we had reservations with a PPV model with no free stream option" and "[t]his doesn't mean we disagree with MLG trying this PPV model out." TL is trying to have its cake and eat it too with that contradiction. TL's admins no doubt took note of the results of their poll on the home page and made this decision accordingly. It's exactly direct advertising since other than letting people know that there is an event MLG going on the users gain nothing. And the purpose of the calendar is to see what events are happening at any moment, events that have a free stream so that everybody on TL can watch. TL calendar is for everyone not for the ones that can actually buy passes. And MLG Adams and Sundances declarations that they have already reaches their expectations have a big smell of bullshit. "Let's make it sound successful so people can still come and we don't have to sell our homes" | ||
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Gumbotwins
Netherlands256 Posts
On February 23 2012 23:35 Doodsmack wrote: Strongly disagree with this decision. If TL wants its calendar to be an "information source" to TL users, it makes no sense to not include information about a major SC2 event that's going on. In fact TL is doing its users a disservice by not providing as much notification of the event as possible. The idea that the lack of an embedded free stream means that a calendar link would lack utility for TL users is trivial in my eyes. Simply putting a link to MLG's site would be very simple...it's not direct advertising and again, the purpose of a calendar is to notify people of what events are going on. Also, TL is clearly trying to pander to its users while being diplomatic when it simultaneously says that "we had reservations with a PPV model with no free stream option" and "[t]his doesn't mean we disagree with MLG trying this PPV model out." TL is trying to have its cake and eat it too with that contradiction. TL's admins no doubt took note of the results of their poll on the home page and made this decision accordingly. TL has a link describiding the actual time/date @ TeamliquidPro. U can even click the link and get into the calender and see the actual event + information. Though they dont have a link to there stream, which is more they ok to do since they didn't pay. | ||
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
On February 23 2012 23:38 ceaRshaf wrote: It's exactly direct advertising since other than letting people know that there is an event MLG going on the users gain nothing. And the purpose of the calendar is to see what events are happening at any moment, events that have a free stream so that everybody on TL can watch. TL calendar is for everyone not for the ones that can actually buy passes. And MLG Adams and Sundances declarations that they have already reaches their expectations have a big smell of bullshit. "Let's make it sound successful so people can still come and we don't have to sell our homes" The purpose of calendars is to provide information about what's going on. TL users gain information by knowing that the Arena is going on. That's not direct advertising, it's just putting information on a calendar. | ||
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Cascade
Australia5405 Posts
On February 23 2012 23:38 ceaRshaf wrote: And MLG Adams and Sundances declarations that they have already reaches their expectations have a big smell of bullshit. "Let's make it sound successful so people can still come and we don't have to sell our homes" As mentioned earlier, it is advertisement. He would most likely post something similar no matter how the sales went. Maybe he would use actual numbers if they had actually sold a lot though?  Who knows... | ||
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ceaRshaf
Romania4926 Posts
On February 23 2012 23:43 Doodsmack wrote: The purpose of calendars is to provide information about what's going on. TL users gain information by knowing that the Arena is going on. That's not direct advertising, it's just putting information on a calendar. That's the news sections and Tournament forum. The calendar tells you what events happen, that are accessible for everyone. That's how it's at the moment. | ||
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Iyerbeth
England2410 Posts
On February 23 2012 19:25 syllogism wrote: While I actually read the OP, I actually admit that I came into it expecting it to be about the utility vs information, but I now see that it is more about the fact that TL needs to sustain itself and therefore does not want to provide free advertising. This is a reasonable position and I withdraw my complaints. It is, however, perplexing how many people are thanking TL for the decision. I know that many people are thanking them because they see it as a blow to the PPV model they don't like. I personally thanked them for taking the time to come up with a policy that directly means it's more likely that as time goes on TL will stay as a great resource site for Starcraft without becoming overburdened with advertisements, especially while not benefitting from them. It was a well thought out policy which was well communicated to us and thus, thanks were in order. | ||
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smr
Germany4808 Posts
I hope that we're gonna have a small symbol similar to the race icons to identify ppv-only events IF some organizer is going to pay for the calendar spot. | ||
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Magnious
United States68 Posts
On February 23 2012 23:23 nooboon wrote: It is. TL was willing to put put the stream link and put the event in the calender but MLG did not want to be charged for it. So TL decided not to put up the stream listing. This is an issue of advertisement of free events vs PPV events. Tournament organizers decision to pay for their competitors flight and accommodations should have no effect on what gets advertised. Sure it would be nice if TL listed MLG's winter arena but TL are not bound to do so. I agree with everything that you stated here. Especially the last sentence. I just wish that they decided to do things differently, and helping this experiment go further to see if it can actually be a profitable venture for MLG, instead of sparking up more drama and debate. | ||
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Xalorian
Canada433 Posts
On February 23 2012 23:35 Doodsmack wrote: Strongly disagree with this decision. If TL wants its calendar to be an "information source" to TL users, it makes no sense to not include information about a major SC2 event that's going on. In fact TL is doing its users a disservice by not providing as much notification of the event as possible. The idea that the lack of an embedded free stream means that a calendar link would lack utility for TL users is trivial in my eyes. Simply putting a link to MLG's site would be very simple...it's not direct advertising and again, the purpose of a calendar is to notify people of what events are going on. In fact, before reading this post I naturally assumed that every single SC2 event goes onto TL's calendar. Also, TL is clearly trying to pander to its users while being diplomatic when it simultaneously says that "we had reservations with a PPV model with no free stream option" and "[t]his doesn't mean we disagree with MLG trying this PPV model out." TL is trying to have its cake and eat it too with that contradiction. TL's admins no doubt took note of the results of their poll on the home page and made this decision accordingly. You don't understand or you just don't read properly? TL can't just give away free advertisement to event that force their viewers to pay, it's ridiculous. If MLG want to be advertised by TL, then they need to pay for it. It's just logical. TL is not a charity business. You talk about TL wanting to "have it's cake and eat it too", what about MLG that don't want to charge for ads then, when they charge their viewers? When you add a free event to a calendar, you are giving information to your users. If you add a PPV only event to your calendar, you are giving ads to the event. Basicaly, MLG wants free ads from TL. TL is a business too, you know. | ||
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Deadstrider
Netherlands258 Posts
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najreteip
Belgium4158 Posts
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sonkaliniz
United States178 Posts
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Klonere
Ireland4123 Posts
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United States198 Posts
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