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bucckevin
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Femari
United States2900 Posts
On February 14 2012 16:17 ETisME wrote: We don't know that and seriously? if I am asked by my fd to borrow $2-$5 4 times a year, what kind of impression do you think he is going to leave me? I would prefer having friends that can sort out their own finance and more organised. plus you think people are over reacting to a 20 bucks? That's not for you to decide. People react according to their situation, not your situation. Not everyone wants to save up 20bucks for something that used to be free. I for one hate it as I can only watch may be 5 matches overall. Is this pricing model even well-designed? How about those gold members that got screwed? In this economy I wouldn't be surprised if someone needed a few dollars at some point in the year. I mean I really only ask what the money is for. If my friend needed a few dollars and said "Hey man, I need a few dollars to be able to pay to watch this huge event that I'm really excited for, can you spare a few dollars?" I'd get out my wallet and grab a few dollars (depending on how much I have) and lend him the money. I mean I work full time so I have a bit more money than others do but I'm not an ass who is going to say "Tough luck close friend, you should've gotten a job or should find another hobby." We were spoiled with free stuff. But if you want better quality stuff you should expect to pay more. That's life in a nutshell. | ||
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Ketch
Netherlands7285 Posts
On February 14 2012 07:54 Grumbels wrote: Please don't let this become a 100 page thread filled with bitter arguments and complaints. :o Hehe, almost there. On topic: I personally could afford the $20, but with my limited time available I will just watch only Assembly for free probably.... Those times are better for me anyway, as I'm from Europe... | ||
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jsemmens
United States439 Posts
1. Let's compare ourselves to real sports. Any given weekend, I can turn on professional Basketball, Football, Baseball, or whatever else is on entirely for free. I don't even need to have cable, it's 100% free. Playoffs, regular season, whatever; still free. So, if I want to introduce a friend of mine to my favorite basketball team I can tell him to turn on the game next weekend. If the eSports market becomes what Sundance says it should, and every tournament that isn't a daily cup is PPV, how are we, as eSports fans supposed to get our friends into the sports? I'm not saying it would be impossible, but it will definitely be harder if I have to tell my friend that being an eSports fan means shelling out $20 for every event. This leads into my second point. 2. If all the tournaments become PPV only, being a Starcraft fan will forever be banished to being part of a small clique of the diehard fans. It will never be able to grow into a big sport like it has in South Korea (and it's not PPV there, btw). Try to squeeze the cash out of the fans now, and this "eSports thing" will be reduced to only the people willing to pay alot of money. So, MLG can tell us that there aren't enough fans to support events via advertising so there has to be subscription fees. In reality, what MLG is saying is that they're to impatient to wait for eSports to get big enough and they just want to cash out now. It's all fine with me. Clearly, Sundance doesn't understand how the eSports market is going to develop, but it's ok because I can watch plenty of other tournaments that provide their content for free. And, when eSports becomes the real deal someday, MLG will have been completely forgotten and Sundance will be kicking himself for not sticking it out for the long haul. | ||
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caradoc
Canada3022 Posts
On February 14 2012 16:15 VirgilSC2 wrote: Just a cross-post of my thoughts from EGAlex's thread: Just to put some things in perspective, I did a little digging back, and there was NOTHING that would lead anyone to believe MLG's Winter Arena was NOT part of the "2012 Pro Circuit" In this interview, the MLG Winter Arena Online Qualifiers, MLG Winter Arena, and MLG Winter Championship are all referred to as part of the 2012 Pro Circuit. In all previous mentions of the Winter Arena (bar the initial mention of prize pools being separate from the Championship Events) no differentiation was made between the Winter Arena and Winter Championship as far as the Pro Circuit is concerned. I think MLG should have announced this either: a) With the announcement of the new 2012 Pro Circuit [and Arenas, since apparently they are not part of the Pro Circuit] or b) With the re-vamp of the MLG Subscription Program. Everything about this just screams "exploitation through misinformation" in my mind. I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt and say I don't think it's purposeful exploitation through misinformation, but rather last minute decisions being made without realizing the PR implications. He popped the 'how about PPV' question on twitter a couple weeks ago-- Sundance isn't an idiot about PR, and if a PPV structure was thought about well in advance, announcements about it likely would have been incorporated into previous press releases rather than risking the backlash. | ||
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Chriscras
Korea (South)2812 Posts
On February 14 2012 08:32 Liquid`NonY wrote: their horrible outfits make them the worst casters in the world. harsh but true Nony you fast forward through all the banter anyways  <3 | ||
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VirgilSC2
United States6151 Posts
On February 14 2012 16:28 caradoc wrote: I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt and say I don't think it's purposeful exploitation through misinformation, but rather last minute decisions being made without realizing the PR implications. He popped the 'how about PPV' question on twitter a couple weeks ago-- Sundance isn't an idiot about PR, and if a PPV structure was thought about well in advance, announcements about it likely would have been incorporated into previous press releases rather than risking the backlash. In that case it's pretty important to note that the Winter Arena (and the Online Qualifiers) is referred to as part of the 2012 Pro Circuit. On February 14 2012 15:56 BronzeKnee wrote: This is what my Gold Membership was supposed to provide when I bought it: "Access to HQ Pro Circuit Streams" Sources: http://forums.majorleaguegaming.com/topic/258885-mlg-gold-membership-gift-cards/ http://reflectzyn.com/competitive-gaming/2011/06/22/mlg-memberships-a-progressive-step-for-competitive-gaming/ Except now it only provides: "Access to MLG Pro Circuit Championship Broadcasts in HD" Source: http://assets0.www.mlg-cdn.com/membership Don't tell me that the Winter Arena isn't part of the MLG Circuit for 2012 and that it isn't filled with professional players, because it is both. They just changed the names around. And this my friends, is called bait and switch, and it is illegal. Bait-and-switch is a form of fraud, most commonly used in retail sales but also applicable to other contexts. First, customers are "baited" by advertising for a product or service at a low price; second, the customers discover that the advertised good is not available and are "switched" to a costlier product. Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bait-and-switch ![[image loading]](http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/7641/wintercircuit.png) Just some food for thought. | ||
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LittLeD
Sweden7973 Posts
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krisss
Luxembourg305 Posts
On February 14 2012 16:22 baby elephant wrote: $20 to watch koreans stomp on noobs? i'll stick to GSL. hahaha, thats a nice way to put it xD | ||
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rod-
Norway379 Posts
I will buy it since 20 is not that much to me, but they should be careful when doing stuff like this. There main consumers are people from 15-30, a group that normally don't have a big budget. I hope as many people will buy it tho, would really suck if mlg shuts these arena events down. | ||
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JustPassingBy
10776 Posts
On February 14 2012 16:25 Ketch wrote: Hehe, almost there. On topic: I personally could afford the $20, but with my limited time available I will just watch only Assembly for free probably.... Those times are better for me anyway, as I'm from Europe... This. It's not like people from europe are able to follow the whole winter Arena anyways. In the same regard, a special discount just for people living in different time zones sounds equally ridiculous. I guess what I am trying to say is that when MLG makes such a decision (charging much for a very short, very condensed event), they better be aware that viewers from other time zones are much less inclined to buy their product than their domestic viewers. | ||
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XRaDiiX
Canada1730 Posts
On February 14 2012 16:30 VirgilSC2 wrote: In that case it's pretty important to note that the Winter Arena (and the Online Qualifiers) is referred to as part of the 2012 Pro Circuit. Just some food for thought. That is pretty incriminating especially if that was the intention they had all-along.. To bait and switch. | ||
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Integra
Sweden5626 Posts
On February 14 2012 16:01 BronzeKnee wrote: Wrong. http://www.majorleaguegaming.com/news/the-first-details-about-the-mlg-2012-pro-circuit "The 2012 MLG Pro Circuit will be made up of four distinct Seasons, each with their own Live Championship Event." The circuit is the entire season, the championship event is just the conclusion in MLG's own words. Orginally Gold Members were given "Access to HQ Pro Circuit Streams" for one year, and it changed to "Access to MLG Pro Circuit Championship Broadcasts in HD". "The 2012 MLG Pro Circuit is a series of live events running throughout 2012. This is the third year to include StarCraft 2, a game that continues to rise in prominence in MLG events." http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2012_MLG_Pro_Circuit That is bait and switch. I should receive access to all Pro Circuit events with my Gold Membership until it expires. It's also misleading marketing. You tell someone that if they buy this you will get this and that and then you actually don't and you have to pay extra for it. | ||
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caradoc
Canada3022 Posts
On February 14 2012 16:30 VirgilSC2 wrote: In that case it's pretty important to note that the Winter Arena (and the Online Qualifiers) is referred to as part of the 2012 Pro Circuit. Just some food for thought. yeah, I hear ya, it's definitely not good for gold memberships. | ||
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tdt
United States3179 Posts
On February 14 2012 16:22 baby elephant wrote: $20 to watch koreans stomp on noobs? i'll stick to GSL. So succinct. Do you have a fan club? xD | ||
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Lncognit0
United States97 Posts
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Sea_Food
Finland1612 Posts
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Ilzhahkha
9 Posts
With this said, I probably wont pay for this arena but that's only because I don't have enough time this weekend. | ||
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Vul
United States685 Posts
Edit: MLG seems to be under the impression that PPV is a successful model? Is that because of the UFC or something? I don't watch UFC so I don't know if they use PPV. The only major sport that I know of that uses PPV is boxing, and boxing is in sharp decline. Football, basketball, baseball, hockey, tennis, etc. etc. are all free to watch in the U.S. and use standard advertising. | ||
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MetalMarine
United States1559 Posts
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