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juicyjames *
Profile Joined August 2011
United States3815 Posts
February 14 2012 07:12 GMT
#1821
On February 14 2012 16:08 Gentso wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2012 16:04 Spaceneil8 wrote:
On February 14 2012 16:02 Gentso wrote:
How many MLG's are there in one year? Like 5? That's already $100 to watch Starcraft... How many GSL tournaments are there, like 5 also? (As you can see, I'm very casual about watching Starcraft, one of the reasons I refuse to pay!) That's another $75. $175 to watch the best Starcraft for a year, are you joking me! And if this is successful you can bet that other tournies will do the same nonsense and we'll be forced to pay over $200 a year to watch Starcraft.

No offense MLG, I hope you fail. I hope you fail hard.

This is just an arena event. The main events will still be free.


o_O

How many arena events are there in one year?

http://twitter.com/#!/MLGSundance/status/169196693739421696

"We plan on have 7 arenas."
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Femari
Profile Joined June 2011
United States2900 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-14 07:13:29
February 14 2012 07:12 GMT
#1822
On February 14 2012 16:11 Roxor9999 wrote:
I don't get why gold members don't access. They payed to have more content and as reward they get slapped with another bill!

Yeah that's the only issue I have with it. Gold shouldn't be paying for it as they've already paid for their shit. I mean they're already putting money into it so I don't get why that happens.


On February 14 2012 16:12 juicyjames wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2012 16:08 Gentso wrote:
On February 14 2012 16:04 Spaceneil8 wrote:
On February 14 2012 16:02 Gentso wrote:
How many MLG's are there in one year? Like 5? That's already $100 to watch Starcraft... How many GSL tournaments are there, like 5 also? (As you can see, I'm very casual about watching Starcraft, one of the reasons I refuse to pay!) That's another $75. $175 to watch the best Starcraft for a year, are you joking me! And if this is successful you can bet that other tournies will do the same nonsense and we'll be forced to pay over $200 a year to watch Starcraft.

No offense MLG, I hope you fail. I hope you fail hard.

This is just an arena event. The main events will still be free.


o_O

How many arena events are there in one year?

http://twitter.com/#!/MLGSundance/status/169196693739421696

"We plan on have 7 arenas."

Wait what the

Why the hell do you call one Arena the "Winter Arena" then?
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BandonBanshee
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada437 Posts
February 14 2012 07:12 GMT
#1823
This is getting too crazy...Not even putting up a FREE LQ stream? That's bullshit. Between GSL and MLG's basic packages it's almost $100 to watch Starcraft.
schimmetje
Profile Joined August 2010
Netherlands1104 Posts
February 14 2012 07:12 GMT
#1824
On February 14 2012 16:09 Femari wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2012 16:08 Gentso wrote:
On February 14 2012 16:04 Spaceneil8 wrote:
On February 14 2012 16:02 Gentso wrote:
How many MLG's are there in one year? Like 5? That's already $100 to watch Starcraft... How many GSL tournaments are there, like 5 also? (As you can see, I'm very casual about watching Starcraft, one of the reasons I refuse to pay!) That's another $75. $175 to watch the best Starcraft for a year, are you joking me! And if this is successful you can bet that other tournies will do the same nonsense and we'll be forced to pay over $200 a year to watch Starcraft.

No offense MLG, I hope you fail. I hope you fail hard.

This is just an arena event. The main events will still be free.


o_O

How many arena events are there in one year?

Four. Winter Arena, Spring Arena, Summer Arena, Fall Arena. All with their own championships.

Arena is simply like a second qualifier, but with prize money.


That's $80 then.

Also "just pool some money with friends" is a weird way to sell your product.
Change to MY nostalgia? UNACCEPTABLE! Monkey paaaw!
SlashSP
Profile Joined December 2010
13 Posts
February 14 2012 07:13 GMT
#1825
will not pay for this, fuck you mlg

since when has esports ever charged for any event across any spectrum on a stream?

if you want to publicize your e-sport i suggest not alienating the people who watch it...
jeeneeus
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1168 Posts
February 14 2012 07:14 GMT
#1826
So there's going to be vods one week after the event for free. I don't understand why everyone is crying so hard. You can just watch assembly live and then watch the winter arena afterwards.
krisss
Profile Joined November 2010
Luxembourg305 Posts
February 14 2012 07:14 GMT
#1827
On February 14 2012 15:45 Femari wrote:
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On February 14 2012 15:39 y0su wrote:
On February 14 2012 15:21 Femari wrote:
On February 14 2012 15:16 KiNGxXx wrote:
On February 14 2012 15:13 Femari wrote:
I dont see why this is such an issue unless the majority of people on TL do not have friends

Get a few friends, throw some money together, pay for it, watch a ton of starcraft, have fun. Pretty simple.

It's not that much. Also this will be help them pay for paying for everything for the players.

Having friends is not the same as "having friends who like Starcraft and want to watch it". This argument is just silly. You can say it for everything: Too expansive, well, share it with friends!

So they have no friends that would lend them a few bucks either?

Poor choice of friends.


First, I really hope you don't choose friends based on their ability to loan you money.
Second, borrowing for entertainment is usually a bad idea.
Third, no one is questioning why mlg want's money (original quoted post).

First, I choose friends based on personality.
Second, borrowing $2-$3 from a few friends isn't going to do anything terrible for one weekend every few months.
Third, they have to pay for the players getting there free of charge don't they?


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On February 14 2012 15:43 krisss wrote:
On February 14 2012 15:31 Femari wrote:
On February 14 2012 15:25 DR.Ham wrote:
On February 14 2012 15:21 Femari wrote:
On February 14 2012 15:16 KiNGxXx wrote:
On February 14 2012 15:13 Femari wrote:
I dont see why this is such an issue unless the majority of people on TL do not have friends

Get a few friends, throw some money together, pay for it, watch a ton of starcraft, have fun. Pretty simple.

It's not that much. Also this will be help them pay for paying for everything for the players.

Having friends is not the same as "having friends who like Starcraft and want to watch it". This argument is just silly. You can say it for everything: Too expansive, well, share it with friends!

So they have no friends that would lend them a few bucks either?

Poor choice of friends.


So, your suggesting he begs for money off his friends rather than watching some free alternatives or skipping the event?

Who said anything about begging? I'm pointing out how ridiculous the disgust at $20 is. It's not unobtainable. Yes there is an alternative of Assembly, but lets assume this person would prefer watching players like Mvp and Nestea like I would. You should be able to ask a few friends for a few bucks that you can pay off on later dates because you're their friends and it's only $5 max. I'm sure you could easily find 5 people willing to part $3 and pay the other $5 yourself.

It's so easy to get $20. It's not hard at all. I could get $20 in a day easy just by seeing if anyone had $1.

I'm saying don't give up cause you see $20 and go "That's ridiculous" when you look at all it's paying for, including getting the players there. If you have 10 friends, I'm sure $2 is something they can part with and not care about. All depends on how good of a friend you are to them though and how good of a friend they are.


yeah, im sure they will keep you forever as a friend when every time a major SC2 touney is, you beg them for money like a drug addict.

ITS NOT ABOUT GETTING TOGETHER 20 dollars.

its about geeting together 20 bucks for a 3 day Sc2 tournament, lol.

Implying that all major tournaments are all $20. Good job there bud. GOM has PPV events and that's about it from off the top of my head.

You can get $20 from strangers too by the way. "Hey does anyone have a buck?" then move to the next area and repeat. Just gotta put effort in it.


If everyone in this thread was thinking like you, every1 would buy an 20 dollar pass. If every1 buys a 20 dollar pass, why should the other tournament organizers not do the same? Just think bud.
life is like fighting a dinosaur.. it's pretty hard.
Femari
Profile Joined June 2011
United States2900 Posts
February 14 2012 07:14 GMT
#1828
On February 14 2012 16:12 schimmetje wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2012 16:09 Femari wrote:
On February 14 2012 16:08 Gentso wrote:
On February 14 2012 16:04 Spaceneil8 wrote:
On February 14 2012 16:02 Gentso wrote:
How many MLG's are there in one year? Like 5? That's already $100 to watch Starcraft... How many GSL tournaments are there, like 5 also? (As you can see, I'm very casual about watching Starcraft, one of the reasons I refuse to pay!) That's another $75. $175 to watch the best Starcraft for a year, are you joking me! And if this is successful you can bet that other tournies will do the same nonsense and we'll be forced to pay over $200 a year to watch Starcraft.

No offense MLG, I hope you fail. I hope you fail hard.

This is just an arena event. The main events will still be free.


o_O

How many arena events are there in one year?

Four. Winter Arena, Spring Arena, Summer Arena, Fall Arena. All with their own championships.

Arena is simply like a second qualifier, but with prize money.


That's $80 then.

Also "just pool some money with friends" is a weird way to sell your product.

Scratch that I was wrong there. I put too much faith in Sundance and his saying they'd move to a seasonal format and his calling the upcoming arena the "Winter Arena"
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VirgilSC2
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States6151 Posts
February 14 2012 07:15 GMT
#1829
Just a cross-post of my thoughts from EGAlex's thread:

Just to put some things in perspective, I did a little digging back, and there was NOTHING that would lead anyone to believe MLG's Winter Arena was NOT part of the "2012 Pro Circuit"

In this interview, the MLG Winter Arena Online Qualifiers, MLG Winter Arena, and MLG Winter Championship are all referred to as part of the 2012 Pro Circuit.

In all previous mentions of the Winter Arena (bar the initial mention of prize pools being separate from the Championship Events) no differentiation was made between the Winter Arena and Winter Championship as far as the Pro Circuit is concerned.

I think MLG should have announced this either:
a) With the announcement of the new 2012 Pro Circuit [and Arenas, since apparently they are not part of the Pro Circuit]
or
b) With the re-vamp of the MLG Subscription Program.

Everything about this just screams "exploitation through misinformation" in my mind.
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jmbthirteen
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States10734 Posts
February 14 2012 07:17 GMT
#1830
Its funny gold members think they should get another 7 tournaments at no extra cost.
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ETisME
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
12782 Posts
February 14 2012 07:17 GMT
#1831
On February 14 2012 16:04 Femari wrote:
Not only that, it means in the future they can put more prize money into the scene.

We don't know that
and seriously? if I am asked by my fd to borrow $2-$5 4 times a year, what kind of impression do you think he is going to leave me? I would prefer having friends that can sort out their own finance and more organised.

plus you think people are over reacting to a 20 bucks? That's not for you to decide. People react according to their situation, not your situation. Not everyone wants to save up 20bucks for something that used to be free. I for one hate it as I can only watch may be 5 matches overall.
Is this pricing model even well-designed? How about those gold members that got screwed?
其疾如风,其徐如林,侵掠如火,不动如山,难知如阴,动如雷震。
XRaDiiX
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada1730 Posts
February 14 2012 07:19 GMT
#1832
20$ for one tournament that is friqin unbelievable IMO. I bet they decided to announce the price point after showing all the games through the online qualifiers to entice everyone to want to see who eventually becomes the victor.

There is no way is worth it to pay 20$ for this tournament unless you have a lot of money GSL is a much better thing to put your money into...
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sixfour
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
England11062 Posts
February 14 2012 07:19 GMT
#1833
On February 14 2012 16:11 Nimic wrote:
What a great way of getting people to spend more money even after they have bought Gold Membership; label new events something else!


yeah, it sounds vaguely similar to what a certain korean-based organisation does. arena of legends anyone?

price point appears to have been shot way too high. i'd probably chip in $5 if:

- i knew i'd be able to see a lot of the euro's games
- knew there was a no tasteless guarantee
- wasn't coincidentally another major event the same weekend

and i'm fairly sure more than four times the people would pay $5 than would pay $20. heck, set it up as min $5 and pay what you think it's worth.
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sotaporo
Profile Joined June 2011
Finland195 Posts
February 14 2012 07:22 GMT
#1834
to me one weekend mlg tournament ain't worth 20$ atleast if its same quality as it has been before. hope their actual stream quality would be better cos it has been pretty shitty even on ultra
Parcelleus
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia1662 Posts
February 14 2012 07:22 GMT
#1835
Welcome to my ignore-list MLG/Sundance. What a miserable lot. They have the privilege of hosting SC2 tournie's, other folks like GOM, Dreamhack know this privilege and understand how important it is to generate viewers for their FREE steams.

Looks like MLG have alot to learn. Will it be too late though ?

At this rate, I forsee MLG struggling to make it to 2013.
*burp*
baby elephant
Profile Joined April 2011
273 Posts
February 14 2012 07:22 GMT
#1836
$20 to watch koreans stomp on noobs? i'll stick to GSL.
papaz
Profile Joined December 2009
Sweden4149 Posts
February 14 2012 07:22 GMT
#1837
This is not something I would pay for.

Good luck MLG.
Gargara
Profile Joined January 2011
Romania150 Posts
February 14 2012 07:22 GMT
#1838
Bad for europeans, I really enjoy MLG, and as much as I was tempted to buy a premium pass before, now I'm not. I can't stay up to watch them and I'm not really going to watch the replays. Before I would cach the early games, that were ok in my timezone, but now its meh...
NekoFlandre
Profile Joined March 2011
United States497 Posts
February 14 2012 07:23 GMT
#1839
Whatever MLG.

You were good, but rofl rofl.........PPV....yea.
Kitty Flandre....even more scary..
VirgilSC2
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States6151 Posts
February 14 2012 07:24 GMT
#1840
On February 14 2012 16:19 sixfour wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2012 16:11 Nimic wrote:
What a great way of getting people to spend more money even after they have bought Gold Membership; label new events something else!


yeah, it sounds vaguely similar to what a certain korean-based organisation does. arena of legends anyone?

price point appears to have been shot way too high. i'd probably chip in $5 if:

- i knew i'd be able to see a lot of the euro's games
- knew there was a no tasteless guarantee
- wasn't coincidentally another major event the same weekend

and i'm fairly sure more than four times the people would pay $5 than would pay $20. heck, set it up as min $5 and pay what you think it's worth.

Arena of Legends is quite different.

GOM said, upfront, that Special Events (like Arena of Legends) would not be part of the regular GSL Season Ticket, as they are not related in any way to the current, past, or upcoming GSL Season.

MLG, on the other hand, hinted and implied (perhaps even stated) that the Winter Arena was part of the 2012 Circuit. The MLG Winter Arena directly feeds in to the Winter Championship event.
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