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On February 14 2012 15:31 Femari wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2012 15:25 DR.Ham wrote:On February 14 2012 15:21 Femari wrote:On February 14 2012 15:16 KiNGxXx wrote:On February 14 2012 15:13 Femari wrote:
I dont see why this is such an issue unless the majority of people on TL do not have friends
Get a few friends, throw some money together, pay for it, watch a ton of starcraft, have fun. Pretty simple.
It's not that much. Also this will be help them pay for paying for everything for the players. Having friends is not the same as "having friends who like Starcraft and want to watch it". This argument is just silly. You can say it for everything: Too expansive, well, share it with friends! So they have no friends that would lend them a few bucks either? Poor choice of friends. So, your suggesting he begs for money off his friends rather than watching some free alternatives or skipping the event? Who said anything about begging? I'm pointing out how ridiculous the disgust at $20 is. It's not unobtainable. Yes there is an alternative of Assembly, but lets assume this person would prefer watching players like Mvp and Nestea like I would. You should be able to ask a few friends for a few bucks that you can pay off on later dates because you're their friends and it's only $5 max. I'm sure you could easily find 5 people willing to part $3 and pay the other $5 yourself. It's so easy to get $20. It's not hard at all. I could get $20 in a day easy just by seeing if anyone had $1. I'm saying don't give up cause you see $20 and go "That's ridiculous" when you look at all it's paying for, including getting the players there. If you have 10 friends, I'm sure $2 is something they can part with and not care about. All depends on how good of a friend you are to them though and how good of a friend they are.
Honestly, your posts are laughably ignorant, that I just want to politely recommend you stop making these kinds of suggestions. From what I am reading, you are suggesting that you go around asking friends for money so that you can watch some sc2. Just think about that one for a second. Think about giving 5 dollars to a friend every month so that he can watch an opera (or something you are not interested in) every month. Would you honestly do it? Well... it actually doesn't matter what you would do... the overwhelming majority of people would not repeatedly just give away money to friends for something so trivial.
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On February 14 2012 15:50 ichnaschekot wrote:
I think MLG is overlooking a crucial point: There are viewers from all over the world. For example in Germany (where I live) PPV is not popular at all. The one big PPV channel has been suffering for many years now, even switching its name trying to get more viewers.
In the US PPV is the standard and people are more open to pay for content on TV. This might include many viewers of MLG but I'm quite positive that a lot of viewers also come from other countries, where they are just not willing to pay, just because they aren't used to it.
I personally won't pay.
Exactly the same here. Exactly.
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I may watch if I have time.
I'm fortunate that $20 is neither here nor there for me but it seems weird to charge so much when GSL, the cream of the crop that broadcasts so many top, top level matches is only $15.
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On February 14 2012 15:51 y0su wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2012 15:45 Femari wrote:On February 14 2012 15:39 y0su wrote:On February 14 2012 15:21 Femari wrote:On February 14 2012 15:16 KiNGxXx wrote:On February 14 2012 15:13 Femari wrote:
I dont see why this is such an issue unless the majority of people on TL do not have friends
Get a few friends, throw some money together, pay for it, watch a ton of starcraft, have fun. Pretty simple.
It's not that much. Also this will be help them pay for paying for everything for the players. Having friends is not the same as "having friends who like Starcraft and want to watch it". This argument is just silly. You can say it for everything: Too expansive, well, share it with friends! So they have no friends that would lend them a few bucks either? Poor choice of friends. First, I really hope you don't choose friends based on their ability to loan you money. Second, borrowing for entertainment is usually a bad idea. Third, no one is questioning why mlg want's money (original quoted post). First, I choose friends based on personality. Second, borrowing $2-$3 from a few friends isn't going to do anything terrible for one weekend every few months. Third, they have to pay for the players getting there free of charge don't they? On February 14 2012 15:43 krisss wrote:On February 14 2012 15:31 Femari wrote:On February 14 2012 15:25 DR.Ham wrote:On February 14 2012 15:21 Femari wrote:On February 14 2012 15:16 KiNGxXx wrote:On February 14 2012 15:13 Femari wrote:
I dont see why this is such an issue unless the majority of people on TL do not have friends
Get a few friends, throw some money together, pay for it, watch a ton of starcraft, have fun. Pretty simple.
It's not that much. Also this will be help them pay for paying for everything for the players. Having friends is not the same as "having friends who like Starcraft and want to watch it". This argument is just silly. You can say it for everything: Too expansive, well, share it with friends! So they have no friends that would lend them a few bucks either? Poor choice of friends. So, your suggesting he begs for money off his friends rather than watching some free alternatives or skipping the event? Who said anything about begging? I'm pointing out how ridiculous the disgust at $20 is. It's not unobtainable. Yes there is an alternative of Assembly, but lets assume this person would prefer watching players like Mvp and Nestea like I would. You should be able to ask a few friends for a few bucks that you can pay off on later dates because you're their friends and it's only $5 max. I'm sure you could easily find 5 people willing to part $3 and pay the other $5 yourself. It's so easy to get $20. It's not hard at all. I could get $20 in a day easy just by seeing if anyone had $1. I'm saying don't give up cause you see $20 and go "That's ridiculous" when you look at all it's paying for, including getting the players there. If you have 10 friends, I'm sure $2 is something they can part with and not care about. All depends on how good of a friend you are to them though and how good of a friend they are. yeah, im sure they will keep you forever as a friend when every time a major SC2 touney is, you beg them for money like a drug addict. ITS NOT ABOUT GETTING TOGETHER 20 dollars. its about geeting together 20 bucks for a 3 day Sc2 tournament, lol. Implying that all major tournaments are all $20. Good job there bud. GOM has PPV events and that's about it from off the top of my head. You can get $20 from strangers too by the way. "Hey does anyone have a buck?" then move to the next area and repeat. Just gotta put effort in it. Then why would you say Show nested quote +On February 14 2012 15:13 Femari wrote:
So they have no friends that would lend them a few bucks either?
Poor choice of friends. ?
On February 14 2012 15:21 Femari wrote:Who said anything about begging? I'm pointing out how ridiculous the disgust at $20 is. It's not unobtainable. Yes there is an alternative of Assembly, but lets assume this person would prefer watching players like Mvp and Nestea like I would. You should be able to ask a few friends for a few bucks that you can pay off on later dates because you're their friends and it's only $5 max. I'm sure you could easily find 5 people willing to part $3 and pay the other $5 yourself.
It's so easy to get $20. It's not hard at all. I could get $20 in a day easy just by seeing if anyone had $1.
I'm saying don't give up cause you see $20 and go "That's ridiculous" when you look at all it's paying for, including getting the players there. If you have 10 friends, I'm sure $2 is something they can part with and not care about. All depends on how good of a friend you are to them though and how good of a friend they are.
Already went in depth with what I meant.
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Wow, when I went to bed I don't remember this topic even being here yet, well done internets. If you're collecting data Sundance, I really don't mind paying something for an MLG weekend but in light of what others (including your own membership packages) offer for a similar amount and comparing that to the amount of SC2 that goes around at the moment, one has to wonder if this is a smart idea. I will not be buying for 20 anyway, but it will be an interesting experiment to watch.
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$20 is not much and i will be paying, but you know something is terribly wrong when the biggest tournament out there(GSL) has free video streaming and this is a PPV event.
My point is, the only tournament who could be PPV and be perfectly justified is GSL.
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I can't help but imagine what would happen if UEFA decided to do the same thing MLG does with the Champions League. We'd have Europe-wide riots and public executions. I just hope this move doesn't imply an effort to make a quick buck off a fad cause i don't see Esports as so many people call them thriving and becoming widely accessible if the most prestigious tournaments of the Western world become PPV.
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How many MLG's are there in one year? Like 5? That's already $100 to watch Starcraft... How many GSL tournaments are there, like 5 also? (As you can see, I'm very casual about watching Starcraft, one of the reasons I refuse to pay!) That's another $75. $175 to watch the best Starcraft for a year, are you joking me! And if this is successful you can bet that other tournies will do the same nonsense and we'll be forced to pay over $200 a year to watch Starcraft.
No offense MLG, I hope you fail. I hope you fail hard.
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I think I pay $10 for my GSL and get a months worth of games. $20 for a weekend? I'd like to but I think in the end I won't.
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On February 14 2012 15:52 Chicane wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2012 15:31 Femari wrote:On February 14 2012 15:25 DR.Ham wrote:On February 14 2012 15:21 Femari wrote:On February 14 2012 15:16 KiNGxXx wrote:On February 14 2012 15:13 Femari wrote:
I dont see why this is such an issue unless the majority of people on TL do not have friends
Get a few friends, throw some money together, pay for it, watch a ton of starcraft, have fun. Pretty simple.
It's not that much. Also this will be help them pay for paying for everything for the players. Having friends is not the same as "having friends who like Starcraft and want to watch it". This argument is just silly. You can say it for everything: Too expansive, well, share it with friends! So they have no friends that would lend them a few bucks either? Poor choice of friends. So, your suggesting he begs for money off his friends rather than watching some free alternatives or skipping the event? Who said anything about begging? I'm pointing out how ridiculous the disgust at $20 is. It's not unobtainable. Yes there is an alternative of Assembly, but lets assume this person would prefer watching players like Mvp and Nestea like I would. You should be able to ask a few friends for a few bucks that you can pay off on later dates because you're their friends and it's only $5 max. I'm sure you could easily find 5 people willing to part $3 and pay the other $5 yourself. It's so easy to get $20. It's not hard at all. I could get $20 in a day easy just by seeing if anyone had $1. I'm saying don't give up cause you see $20 and go "That's ridiculous" when you look at all it's paying for, including getting the players there. If you have 10 friends, I'm sure $2 is something they can part with and not care about. All depends on how good of a friend you are to them though and how good of a friend they are. Honestly, your posts are laughably ignorant, that I just want to politely recommend you stop making these kinds of suggestions. From what I am reading, you are suggesting that you go around asking friends for money so that you can watch some sc2. Just think about that one for a second. Think about giving 5 dollars to a friend every month so that he can watch an opera (or something you are not interested in) every month. Would you honestly do it? Well... it actually doesn't matter what you would do... the overwhelming majority of people would not repeatedly just give away money to friends for something so trivial.
Think about this. There are only 4 arenas in a year. 4. One per season. You will be able to pay for it some times and other times you might be a little low on cash. If you have nice friends they'll give you a few bucks for one weekend to pay back a bit later. This is the only way to watch the Arenas. Other events you don't have to pay for. So is it so ridiculous to on occasion ask for $2-$5 from a few friends to pay back a bit later? I loan my friends a few bucks when they need it. If my friend is short on money to see a movie I give him a few bucks to pay for it. It's nothing. MLG isn't asking for $50. It's $20. Something that one, pays for the players to get there without having to pay at all, which gives poorer players the opportunity to get to events. Not only that, it means in the future they can put more prize money into the scene. If you aren't interested in the players enough to pay $20 then it's your decision, but if you cannot get a mere $20 to watch this you either have terrible friends or live in the middle of nowhere.
Four times a year at most you ask for $2-$5. Oh wow so expensive~ I'm sure your friends will hate you for it and want to alienate you for it. If you have no barcraft in your area, and you want to watch it badly, you should have a few nice friends or even strangers willing to give you a few bucks. Honestly this whole outrage over the price is stupid. It's an extra event. It's another AoL. That's it. You either watch it or you don't, but don't say you can't get the money to watch it.
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On February 14 2012 16:02 Gentso wrote:
How many MLG's are there in one year? Like 5? That's already $100 to watch Starcraft... How many GSL tournaments are there, like 5 also? (As you can see, I'm very casual about watching Starcraft, one of the reasons I refuse to pay!) That's another $75. $175 to watch the best Starcraft for a year, are you joking me! And if this is successful you can bet that other tournies will do the same nonsense and we'll be forced to pay over $200 a year to watch Starcraft.
No offense MLG, I hope you fail. I hope you fail hard.
This is just an arena event. The main events will still be free.
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Does anyone remember how MLG promised great things for 2012 and now its seems like.
"Gimme your money or no stream"
Bait and switch IMO. I know what i'm watching that weekend and its not MLG its probably assembly.
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On February 14 2012 16:04 Femari wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2012 15:52 Chicane wrote:On February 14 2012 15:31 Femari wrote:On February 14 2012 15:25 DR.Ham wrote:On February 14 2012 15:21 Femari wrote:On February 14 2012 15:16 KiNGxXx wrote:On February 14 2012 15:13 Femari wrote:
I dont see why this is such an issue unless the majority of people on TL do not have friends
Get a few friends, throw some money together, pay for it, watch a ton of starcraft, have fun. Pretty simple.
It's not that much. Also this will be help them pay for paying for everything for the players. Having friends is not the same as "having friends who like Starcraft and want to watch it". This argument is just silly. You can say it for everything: Too expansive, well, share it with friends! So they have no friends that would lend them a few bucks either? Poor choice of friends. So, your suggesting he begs for money off his friends rather than watching some free alternatives or skipping the event? Who said anything about begging? I'm pointing out how ridiculous the disgust at $20 is. It's not unobtainable. Yes there is an alternative of Assembly, but lets assume this person would prefer watching players like Mvp and Nestea like I would. You should be able to ask a few friends for a few bucks that you can pay off on later dates because you're their friends and it's only $5 max. I'm sure you could easily find 5 people willing to part $3 and pay the other $5 yourself. It's so easy to get $20. It's not hard at all. I could get $20 in a day easy just by seeing if anyone had $1. I'm saying don't give up cause you see $20 and go "That's ridiculous" when you look at all it's paying for, including getting the players there. If you have 10 friends, I'm sure $2 is something they can part with and not care about. All depends on how good of a friend you are to them though and how good of a friend they are. Honestly, your posts are laughably ignorant, that I just want to politely recommend you stop making these kinds of suggestions. From what I am reading, you are suggesting that you go around asking friends for money so that you can watch some sc2. Just think about that one for a second. Think about giving 5 dollars to a friend every month so that he can watch an opera (or something you are not interested in) every month. Would you honestly do it? Well... it actually doesn't matter what you would do... the overwhelming majority of people would not repeatedly just give away money to friends for something so trivial. Think about this. There are only 4 arenas in a year. 4. One per season. You will be able to pay for it some times and other times you might be a little low on cash. If you have nice friends they'll give you a few bucks for one weekend to pay back a bit later. This is the only way to watch the Arenas. Other events you don't have to pay for. So is it so ridiculous to on occasion ask for $2-$5 from a few friends to pay back a bit later? I loan my friends a few bucks when they need it. If my friend is short on money to see a movie I give him a few bucks to pay for it. It's nothing. MLG isn't asking for $50. It's $20. Something that one, pays for the players to get there without having to pay at all, which gives poorer players the opportunity to get to events. Not only that, it means in the future they can put more prize money into the scene. If you aren't interested in the players enough to pay $20 then it's your decision, but if you cannot get a mere $20 to watch this you either have terrible friends or live in the middle of nowhere. Four times a year at most you ask for $2-$5. Oh wow so expensive~ I'm sure your friends will hate you for it and want to alienate you for it. If you have no barcraft in your area, and you want to watch it badly, you should have a few nice friends or even strangers willing to give you a few bucks. Honestly this whole outrage over the price is stupid. It's an extra event. It's another AoL. That's it. You either watch it or you don't, but don't say you can't get the money to watch it.
The American debt crisis personified.
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On February 14 2012 15:15 domane wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2012 15:07 Milkis wrote:On February 14 2012 14:59 Brosy wrote:
The problem shouldn't be that MLG is charging for this event, but the way they are handling it.
-They announce 4 days before the event that it will be PPV.
-Gold members are not included
-Sundance has tweeted that MLG will have a package put together for the rest (6 more) of the arenas so people can buy passes in bulk.
They should have implemented a system where if they are making a series of 7 events PPV than have the premium package available before they start. Also to announce that an event is PPV 4 days before the even is completely unprofessional from a business stand point. $20 may not be a large amount of money but when the majority of the viewer base is younger, and unlikely to have established careers, giving short notice on any expense is considerably inconsiderate. They probably started with 20 dollars cause it's always nicer on PR to lower price than to raise prices. So you "experiment" with the higher price first in this case I suppose. It would be interesting if MLG has another step planned and lowers the price to $10 at the last minute. Something like "due to the overwhelming feedback from the community" blah blah blah
that my friend.. is exactly what you can expect  It's been done before..
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20 dollars isn't a lot of money, but that's not even really the point.
The point is there's both a free alternative during the same weekend AND the premier league (GSL) doesn't even charge nearly as much for even more content. That and even GSL has a free alternative.
Maybe one day, but for a single weekend event at this point in time, 20 bucks is just beyond what I'd be willing to pay for Starcraft. Sorry.
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On February 14 2012 16:04 Spaceneil8 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2012 16:02 Gentso wrote:
How many MLG's are there in one year? Like 5? That's already $100 to watch Starcraft... How many GSL tournaments are there, like 5 also? (As you can see, I'm very casual about watching Starcraft, one of the reasons I refuse to pay!) That's another $75. $175 to watch the best Starcraft for a year, are you joking me! And if this is successful you can bet that other tournies will do the same nonsense and we'll be forced to pay over $200 a year to watch Starcraft.
No offense MLG, I hope you fail. I hope you fail hard. This is just an arena event. The main events will still be free.
o_O
How many arena events are there in one year?
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On February 14 2012 16:08 Gentso wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2012 16:04 Spaceneil8 wrote:On February 14 2012 16:02 Gentso wrote:
How many MLG's are there in one year? Like 5? That's already $100 to watch Starcraft... How many GSL tournaments are there, like 5 also? (As you can see, I'm very casual about watching Starcraft, one of the reasons I refuse to pay!) That's another $75. $175 to watch the best Starcraft for a year, are you joking me! And if this is successful you can bet that other tournies will do the same nonsense and we'll be forced to pay over $200 a year to watch Starcraft.
No offense MLG, I hope you fail. I hope you fail hard. This is just an arena event. The main events will still be free. o_O How many arena events are there in one year?
Four. Winter Arena, Spring Arena, Summer Arena, Fall Arena. All with their own championships.
Arena is simply like a second qualifier, but with prize money.
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How they can justify $20 for one event, when GSL will give you a year for $70 is beyond me. This price point is seriously out of whack.
MLG is not a 3D-movie that costs $200 million to produce. MLG is not a million-dollar prizefight between two boxers who fight three times a year. Stop comparing yourselves to that. You can't justify that price point at all.
You might be able to justify yourself as something like the Australian Open...which I can watch for free.
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I don't get why gold members don't access. They payed to have more content and as reward they get slapped with another bill!
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What a great way of getting people to spend more money even after they have bought Gold Membership; label new events something else!
I bought Gold to support MLG, but I'll be damn sure to think harder about it next time. Though it might not be a very hard decision.
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