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Dright
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BBshakenbake
Sweden13 Posts
On February 13 2012 01:06 davefp wrote: "It's like Facebook, but for Progamers" That's what it looks like to me. I'm skeptical. Well, the only resemblance to Facebook is the profiles and the Flattrs I guess. Profiles are necessary to compile all the users content in one place and Flattrs is just a really simple way of making donations. We believe that the donation system will have to be really simple for people to actually use it. Please do give us some actual feedback on how we could make this work from your point of view. That's the whole reason behind this post, as we will gather as much input from the community as possible before we continue to develop the platform any further. | ||
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Deleuze
United Kingdom2102 Posts
All I can say is that this project is going to require an insane, and I mean INSANE, amount of work to pull off. While the grass roots ethos is of course very nice, if this is to be successful it will need to come topic down - you will need to approach the content providers themselves to see if they really need and are interested in this venture. Looking on the Live Stream bar to my right all of the featured streams are either big sponsored/ticketed tournaments or big team players; they all have sources of income that essentially are derived in the same way as Flattr - popularity equals payment. I guess your target market will be the content providers of the middle range streamers &c that are unable to secure regular income. At the other end, there are the consumers which you also need to attract, and no matter how you phrase it you will need to attract these away from TL or to have some kind of integration within the site - I think this is unlikely. Otherwise it will be a case of a user watching a stream from say twitch embedded into TL, then for the user to jump to your site to like it and make the 'microdonation' - which I doubt anyone will do. I am understanding this correctly, right? Also, the phrase 'social microtransactions' makes me wanna be sick - whether this is the future of tinternet or not it just makes me shiver. That you give your press release via a verbose post on the TL SC2 forum itself speaks volumes.... | ||
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smwatkin
Canada399 Posts
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BBshakenbake
Sweden13 Posts
On February 13 2012 01:42 Deleuze wrote: Hmm, I know that a topic like this is going to attract a major amount of skepticism... All I can say is that this project is going to require an insane, and I mean INSANE, amount of work to pull off. While the grass roots ethos is of course very nice, if this is to be successful it will need to come topic down - you will need to approach the content providers themselves to see if they really need and are interested in this venture. Looking on the Live Stream bar to my right all of the featured streams are either big sponsored/ticketed tournaments or big team players; they all have sources of income that essentially are derived in the same way as Flattr - popularity equals payment. I guess your target market will be the content providers of the middle range streamers &c that are unable to secure regular income. At the other end, there are the consumers which you also need to attract, and no matter how you phrase it you will need to attract these away from TL or to have some kind of integration within the site - I think this is unlikely. Otherwise it will be a case of a user watching a stream from say twitch embedded into TL, then for the user to jump to your site to like it and make the 'microdonation' - which I doubt anyone will do. I am understanding this correctly, right? Also, the phrase 'social microtransactions' makes me wanna be sick - whether this is the future of tinternet or not it just makes me shiver. That you give your press release via a verbose post on the TL SC2 forum itself speaks volumes.... Hi Deleuze, thank you for some great feedback. We are definitely aware of the amount of work this kind of project will require, and yes, it scares us a bit. But at the same time we are really thrilled because if we succeed we will actually have helped the community. This is also the main reason for us not going full throttle in the development of this project - as we will need to hear what the community actually think about something like this. We will need to hear input from the consumers, the contributors, TL and basically every part of the community before we even think of proceeding with this. You are correct about middle range streamers and other community members doing a lot for the community but not getting any direct financial support for their work, being the target group for this project. We have also considered the fact that it is not optimal to have a third party site divided from the actual content. You are absolutely right, people would prefer to support the contributor right at the source and an integration with TL would be the best thing ever. We have some technical solutions, but they don't really matter right now. The thing that actually matters is getting a lot of attention from the community. If we get a lot of positive feedback from community here, we have something to show for the major content providers and sites like TL. If we can prove that this is something the community actually wants, we can start integration discussions with TL and other sites. Without the voice of the community backing us up, discussions with the top tier would probably be pointless. Note that integration with other sites is something that is possible with Flattr, hence the choice to make it the base of the platform. Please do consider this as the concept it is, and not a final product. This is just and idea we have which we put some work behind to be able to present it. It's something we do because we think it's fun and it has the potential of being really useful. | ||
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BBshakenbake
Sweden13 Posts
On February 13 2012 01:53 smwatkin wrote: sounds like a good project. What's the ETA? Thank you! There is no current ETA as everything is depending on the feedback we get from the community. But no matter what this is a huge project and will require a lot of developing and testing. If this is something that seems like a good idea to the community, we will try to publish a beta as soon as possible (x months). But as I said, this all comes down to how the community embraces the concept and how much constructive feedback/help we get  | ||
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KellRell
United States12 Posts
I maintain a library of convoluted bookmarks to various media, guides, and links within the Starcraft community, spread across both games, SC1 and SC2, multiple maps, patch versions, races, websites, playlists in websites, etc. This is not a sufficient system but is the closest thing I have come up with to deal with exactly the problem you're describing. I cannot overstate how excited I am for this project and how much I wish I could contribute to its maturation. It would save me so much time, stress, and energy if we could efficiently catalog the repository of scattered, impossibly difficult to locate, and amazing user created content in this community. | ||
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HaXXspetten
Sweden15718 Posts
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StarGalaxy
Germany744 Posts
i am not sure if the stream example is the best idea so. Even some GM players who stream have difficulties to get more than a couple of people to watch. I mean it's kinda understandable if i have to choose from so many tournaments and pro players (who a better or more entertaining) i won't watch any random stream. I don't see that changing even if they are represented better with your platform. For what i see the platform working is stuff like starcraft art, little aps or progams, really high content articles like this one e.g.: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=266019 or very well presented strategy guides. EDIT: (after second read) well you actually mentioned my points aswell in the op. sry must have missed that. | ||
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YouthSC
United Kingdom355 Posts
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TBone-
United States2309 Posts
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StarGalaxy
Germany744 Posts
On February 13 2012 03:16 TBone- wrote: Why should I use this service over team liquid's calendar and stream links? can you donate on TL? Will you read threads that are on page xxx? | ||
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ceaRshaf
Romania4926 Posts
On February 13 2012 02:32 BBshakenbake wrote: Thank you! There is no current ETA as everything is depending on the feedback we get from the community. But no matter what this is a huge project and will require a lot of developing and testing. If this is something that seems like a good idea to the community, we will try to publish a beta as soon as possible (x months). But as I said, this all comes down to how the community embraces the concept and how much constructive feedback/help we get Usually the community is negative until you show them something. So pitching the idea to the community might not be the best thing. | ||
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LOLingBuddha
Netherlands697 Posts
i dunno. i guess we'll have to wait and see. | ||
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ETisME
12476 Posts
But it will take a lot of content to attract people to use it. I could see that even without the donations, it could be ideal for not well-known SC2 content providers to start up an account here but progamers, big names like husky are the ones that will make the site big. It will need good layout, points to separate itself from TL and reddit, something that keeps the fans coming back. Anyway, GL to it. Will try out the beta if it ever comes out | ||
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skipgamer
Australia701 Posts
TL has been great for SC2, it really has, I don't think the SC2 scene would be anywhere near what it is without TL. So many great content producers were saying that this is THE community for SC, and so the fans came. If you could develop a place where content producers could say fans should go that covers not only one game, but all games, and in turn a place where people new to watching game-based media in general could go to watch content, and learn about gaming though all different types of content, it would be incredible, and a boon to the gaming community at large far beyond the starcraft community. Anyway, I don't know if this is within your scope as you say your main goal is to increase direct monetization opportunities for content producers in the Starcraft community, so I'm assuming you will be more focused on the financial side of things. I just think it would be great personally to increase the scope of the project, if not at first, at least in time. | ||
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CursedFeanor
Canada539 Posts
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hobosrus
United States99 Posts
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lastkarrde
New Zealand66 Posts
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TBone-
United States2309 Posts
On February 13 2012 03:18 OrbitalPlane wrote: can you donate on TL? Will you read threads that are on page xxx? Are you talking about stream threads? As I do read those. And yeah the donate thing would be pretty cool, I believe streaming on Afreeca does a similar model for brood war koreans. | ||
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