Patch 1.4.3 - Preview Blog - Page 124

On February 11 2012 16:01 tauon wrote:
I strongly believe they should've changed the build time of a barracks by a random number between -5 and 5 seconds!

On February 11 2012 15:55 ONEofUS wrote:
people should use there brain and think about what they want to post here
MMA won vs DRG on Shakuras without a ghost hmm
terran win ratio was never under 50 % and maybe you watched some gsl it was called gom tvt
ok now we have 3 terran 4 toss and 1 zerg in round of 8
we will see in some weeks what will happen and how terran is response to the nerf!

On February 11 2012 16:25 R!! wrote:

Except terran is the only race doing the reacting, terran doesn't have the potential to win because they've hidden their tech in the late game, now wonder what happens if a zerg manages to hide a tech switch to blords while the terran was expecting ultras because he scanned the cavern, I guess that's an autoloss( because marauders apparently can't shoot air!), the same goes for assuming blords, good luck using vikings vs ultras.So unless we can constantly throw scans everywhere, we need ghosts to counter every T3 unit, whilst building the 'proper' conter, any other answer simply doesn't cut it and it's not like ghosts are anywhere near exceptional at what they do.

On February 11 2012 16:25 R!! wrote:

Except terran is the only race doing the reacting, terran doesn't have the potential to win because they've hidden their tech in the late game, now wonder what happens if a zerg manages to hide a tech switch to blords while the terran was expecting ultras because he scanned the cavern, I guess that's an autoloss( because marauders apparently can't shoot air!), the same goes for assuming blords, good luck using vikings vs ultras.So unless we can constantly throw scans everywhere, we need ghosts to counter every T3 unit, whilst building the 'proper' conter, any other answer simply doesn't cut it and it's not like ghosts are anywhere near exceptional at what they do.

On February 11 2012 15:24 ThaSlayer wrote:

Massing ghosts isnt as easy as most people would think.
Do watch MVP's game vs curious on daybreak this gsl.
Furthermore, what other options will Terran have against T3 zergs?

On February 11 2012 16:30 tomatriedes wrote:


Zerg will have to react too. Once viking numbers get too high they need to switch out of BLs. Once marauder numbers are too high they need to switch out of ultras. Ghosts are not out of the game- they are still super-effective at EMPing and sniping infestors and without infestors both bls and ultras are pretty trash.

It's blizzard's fault that snipe is OP now. They made Ghosts cheaper in patch 1.3.3 specifically to encourage players to get them. Now they're making them useless because players got them and they turned out to be too good. Just admit your mistake and make them more expensive again instead of ruining the unit with yet another nerf.

Here's what that David Kim had to say at the time:

Ghost
Cost changed from 150/150 to 200/100
This cost change was a strategic, high-level change. We wanted ghosts to have a place in as many of the existing unit compositions out there as possible. For example: we wanted at least a few ghosts to come into play with the standard armies we currently see in each matchup. We feel ghost EMP is a vital tool at the highest skill levels, and we didn’t like how players had to choose between ghosts or something else. Therefore, we decided to keep the total costs the same while decreasing the gas cost so that they can more easily be added to whichever army terran players are currently using.

We realize having to manage so many units (including the ghost) can be difficult for many players, but at the same time we felt ghosts are only really vital at the highest skill levels because their counter-units are also micro-intensive.
http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/blog/2776510

On February 11 2012 15:33 ddrddrddrddr wrote:
Corruptor infestor are pretty good against vikings... maybe you should snipe the infestors?

On February 11 2012 16:49 carloselcoco wrote:
I saw this comment in the comments section in the StarCraft 2 site and i thought it was well worth sharing!

On February 11 2012 16:47 kofman wrote:
This is ridiculous. 45 damage to 25 damage? Thats a HUGE nerf, and it makes ghosts drastically less effective. A number like 30 would have been much more reasonable. I don't think blizzard is ever going to stop nerfing terran, terran has been nerfed in every single patch since the game came out. its not neccesary either, just look at the numbers of terrans compared to the other races on ladder, terrans are already a small minority, and will become even worse represented.

On February 11 2012 16:59 MalakhWing wrote:


Pardon if I am mistaken, but I have never seen numbers stating that terran were a minority, and if they are I can only assume it is by an insignificant amount statistically. That is also disregarding that the game is being balanced for the top tier of play which the ladder doesn't actually represent race wise in this sense. Regardless it does seem like a big nerf, but other than effectively killing off all chances of the new Idra and Artosis episode of Unbalanced: The Ghost Edition, I say we just have to wait it out with their internal testing. Chances are Blizzard really just wants a cheaper alternative to use against infestors besides emp for when there isn't enough mana instead of being a counter to the tier 3 zerg units.

On February 11 2012 16:59 MalakhWing wrote:


Pardon if I am mistaken, but I have never seen numbers stating that terran were a minority, and if they are I can only assume it is by an insignificant amount statistically. That is also disregarding that the game is being balanced for the top tier of play which the ladder doesn't actually represent race wise in this sense. Regardless it does seem like a big nerf, but other than effectively killing off all chances of the new Idra and Artosis episode of Unbalanced: The Ghost Edition, I say we just have to wait it out with their internal testing. Chances are Blizzard really just wants a cheaper alternative to use against infestors besides emp for when there isn't enough mana instead of being a counter to the tier 3 zerg units.

On February 11 2012 16:56 Shebuha wrote:
Mules change = yay
Snipe change = we shall see
Phoenix change = ummm okay?
APM change = yay

We complain about what Blizzard does and doesn't do a lot, which is certainly fine to do and we gotta acknowledge that they are doing a fine job. I feel good about this patch in general! Most of the issues and gripes I have with the game are more metagamey and 'people haven't figured the game out yet and do retarded shit' than balance now, so props to Blizz for balancing quite well.
Also, I really hated the change of measurement of APM and I'm glad it's back. I thought it was really stupid to suddenly change what APM was for the sake of.... nothing.