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On April 24 2012 07:29 rotegirte wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2012 06:52 EienShinwa wrote:On April 23 2012 19:02 Thylacine wrote:On April 23 2012 06:01 Darksoldierr wrote:On April 23 2012 05:58 Chessz wrote:On April 23 2012 02:38 treekiller wrote:
DotA doesnt count as War3. Sorry. except myself and other friends (some of whom weren't into RTS before sc2) have gone back to playing warcraft 3 with eachother and they just recently bought battle chests. it's not just dota Run Kitty Run, oh good old times Chipmunk Linkin Park songs while you sprinted with your kitty in between all those scary wolves and saved other players who had perished. Those were the days, really... My Fucking God do you guys remember the LotR games? Footmen? WMW? HLW? Holy SHIT I remember all the games with "re#insert-number-here". Jesus, I would spend hours and hours playing the custom games on Warcraft 3 because of the amazing community and fucking innovative games it had. SCII? Can't find a decent map or have that experience playing with the same people over and over. Every custom game feels robotic and 90% of the time the people in the custom game with you don't even talk. Sigh. oh my, HLW, I played that fanatically. I have to admit, I never touched the single player or even 1v1 ladder. But got stuck in customs ever since.
Unfortunately, "talking" can be someone's strategy. Responding to an innocent GLHF can throw you off on your build. Or innocent banter could leave you to lose focus and miss that cannon rush in your base.
I'm sure one of these scenarios has happened to you. lol.
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On April 01 2012 03:50 EienShinwa wrote:
I know this might be a little off topic, but surely the lead for UI design of Bnet 2.0 has been fired yes?
The entire staff that was suppose to develop Battle.Net 2.0 has been fired. Just look at their jobs page:http://eu.blizzard.com/en-gb/company/careers/directory.html#region=Global So don't expect Blizzard improving the Battle.Net 2.0 UI until they filled all the Leads and Seniors positions...
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thank god finally someone(up there as a sc2 broadcaster) realized how awesome the UI from a game that still in beta is miles better than WoL. blizzard cannot blame people leaving sc2 but themselves.
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On April 24 2012 12:01 Integra wrote:Show nested quote +On April 01 2012 03:50 EienShinwa wrote:
I know this might be a little off topic, but surely the lead for UI design of Bnet 2.0 has been fired yes? The entire staff that was suppose to develop Battle.Net 2.0 has been fired. Just look at their jobs page: http://eu.blizzard.com/en-gb/company/careers/directory.html#region=Global So don't expect Blizzard improving the Battle.Net 2.0 UI until they filled all the Leads and Seniors positions...
The whole Battle.net team fired is just a rumor that is unlikely true. Yes some may have left the company, some moved to other projects and some maybe even fired. But I doubt there has been large changes. Thought according to LinkedIn the previous project director for Bnet Greg Canessa has left the company and now serving as "Vice President, Mobile at Activision Blizzard" (previous position Project Director, Battle.net at Blizzard Entertainment).
There has been lots of Bnet related positions open for several months. For example most of the 21 positions that they are trying to fill now were already open 1.5 months ago. I have been following the jobs page for some time and it seems to take lots of time for a Bnet position to become filled.
Edit: It seems Canessa may have left the company already in late 2010 according to this post: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=323310¤tpage=29#574 The post also contains some other interesting info regarding Bnet team (validity unknown).
Edit 2: Recent article what G. Canessa is doing nowadays: http://venturebeat.com/2012/04/05/activision-dives-into-free-to-play-mobile-games-with-skylanders-cloud-patrol-for-the-iphone/
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On April 24 2012 06:52 EienShinwa wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2012 19:02 Thylacine wrote:On April 23 2012 06:01 Darksoldierr wrote:On April 23 2012 05:58 Chessz wrote:On April 23 2012 02:38 treekiller wrote:
DotA doesnt count as War3. Sorry. except myself and other friends (some of whom weren't into RTS before sc2) have gone back to playing warcraft 3 with eachother and they just recently bought battle chests. it's not just dota Run Kitty Run, oh good old times Chipmunk Linkin Park songs while you sprinted with your kitty in between all those scary wolves and saved other players who had perished. Those were the days, really... My Fucking God do you guys remember the LotR games? Footmen? WMW? HLW? Holy SHIT I remember all the games with "re#insert-number-here". Jesus, I would spend hours and hours playing the custom games on Warcraft 3 because of the amazing community and fucking innovative games it had. SCII? Can't find a decent map or have that experience playing with the same people over and over. Every custom game feels robotic and 90% of the time the people in the custom game with you don't even talk. Sigh.
Remember everything. My favorite was ''Island troll tribes'' and run kitty run. Will never forget how social and incredibly fun the games were...
Nostalgia overwhelming
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Just for the heads up, I just go on a bit of a rant here...
While it is still important that they improve the UI (which I believe they are looking to do as they are looking for new Bnet employees from what I recall seeing) I feel like a lot of damage has already been done.
A game that could have lured in so many people by showing the vast amount of custom games that could be played with a proper custom game search (not based on popularity, but based on who is hosting at the moment) as well as having a very social element may have kept so many more players around. The reason I played wc3 for so long, and the reason it is one of my top 2 favorite games--if not the top one--is because of custom games, and likely to a larger degree just sitting in chat channels (almost always clan channels) and just chatting with people between games.
I was so excited for SC2 when I could relive the experience in a new and fresh game where the graphics and modding capabilities would be improved, as well as potentially having extra social benefits, but now I don't ever play SC2 unless it is with friends. I don't have any friends that I don't know in person on SC2 now, while I was always at the friends list limit in WC3.
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On April 24 2012 15:08 Thylacine wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2012 06:52 EienShinwa wrote:On April 23 2012 19:02 Thylacine wrote:On April 23 2012 06:01 Darksoldierr wrote:On April 23 2012 05:58 Chessz wrote:On April 23 2012 02:38 treekiller wrote:
DotA doesnt count as War3. Sorry. except myself and other friends (some of whom weren't into RTS before sc2) have gone back to playing warcraft 3 with eachother and they just recently bought battle chests. it's not just dota Run Kitty Run, oh good old times Chipmunk Linkin Park songs while you sprinted with your kitty in between all those scary wolves and saved other players who had perished. Those were the days, really... My Fucking God do you guys remember the LotR games? Footmen? WMW? HLW? Holy SHIT I remember all the games with "re#insert-number-here". Jesus, I would spend hours and hours playing the custom games on Warcraft 3 because of the amazing community and fucking innovative games it had. SCII? Can't find a decent map or have that experience playing with the same people over and over. Every custom game feels robotic and 90% of the time the people in the custom game with you don't even talk. Sigh. Remember everything. My favorite was ''Island troll tribes'' and run kitty run. Will never forget how social and incredibly fun the games were... Nostalgia overwhelming
You guys are making me sad.  Some of my personal favorites (though you can argue they weren't all actually good games) were Sheep tag, Freeze Tag, Wintermaul/WMW, Cube TD, Gem TD and Elimination Tournament (which has a place in my heart XD). I could keep listing them, but there isn't much of a point. Thanks for the nostalgic thoughts though. :D
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I definitely agree with this, this has been an issue the community has brought up almost as often as the three-letter-acronym-that-shall-not-be-named, and the points on WC3 really invokes how simple the improved U.I. can be implemented.
I do have hope however (albeit very small), as remembering LuckyFool's famous, "Starcraft: 7 years in 7 minutes" video. I do so hope that we will look back upon this interface (and several aspects of the game perhaps) in the not too distant future and breathe a sigh of nostalgic relief, saying, "Man, how far we have come."
One can dream.
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I've always assumed that the lack of UI progress was because of Diablo 3. I expect there to be a big BNET 2.0 patch when D3 comes out in May. But, this is coming from a person who has not even tried the D3 Beta.
Is BNET better in the D3 Beta than in WOL?
Hope when they ramp up HOTS, they focus on this.
OR, I hope Valve makes a 3 race RTS :D :D :D
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On April 24 2012 17:21 Don.681 wrote:
I've always assumed that the lack of UI progress was because of Diablo 3. I expect there to be a big BNET 2.0 patch when D3 comes out in May. But, this is coming from a person who has not even tried the D3 Beta.
Is BNET better in the D3 Beta than in WOL?
Hope when they ramp up HOTS, they focus on this.
OR, I hope Valve makes a 3 race RTS :D :D :D
No, it's actually worse. D3 Beta sports half a dozen "public" channels (Trade, Class-specific) that noone bothers to join, and then there's your general chat window that displays game messages and whispers from friends / other people. SC2's current interface is better than that of the D3 Beta. Of course there's the difference in game approach with D3 basically being a glorified single player experience, but still. Had I not played most of the free Beta weekend with friends over TS, I'd have had zero social interaction.
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just wow, dota2 has a great UI unlike sc2
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So basically, D3 community made a fuss over the chat and one way or another they will get some changes, but SC2 still won't be touched. God, I hope that HoTS will bring some serious changes, because I will not forgive Blizzard spending so much money on games, where gamers' opinion doesn't even matter.
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On April 24 2012 17:28 Shockk wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2012 17:21 Don.681 wrote:
I've always assumed that the lack of UI progress was because of Diablo 3. I expect there to be a big BNET 2.0 patch when D3 comes out in May. But, this is coming from a person who has not even tried the D3 Beta.
Is BNET better in the D3 Beta than in WOL?
Hope when they ramp up HOTS, they focus on this.
OR, I hope Valve makes a 3 race RTS :D :D :D
No, it's actually worse. D3 Beta sports half a dozen "public" channels (Trade, Class-specific) that noone bothers to join, and then there's your general chat window that displays game messages and whispers from friends / other people. SC2's current interface is better than that of the D3 Beta. Of course there's the difference in game approach with D3 basically being a glorified single player experience, but still. Had I not played most of the free Beta weekend with friends over TS, I'd have had zero social interaction.
Yes. There is 8 public channels, which can each serve max 100 users at the time. There is no ability to create private channels. Some of the general channels such as 'trade', 'searching for group' were often full during the open beta (no dedicated 'general chat' channel). Most likely at least the general ones will be full most of the time when D3 hits retail. There is also no spam control on the channels - Anyone can spam the whole chat buffer full in a second by pasting long lines and there is no ignore functionality.
I wrote more about D3 Bnet UI features a month ago here (no notable changes since regarding chat): http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=308482¤tpage=79#1572
The other d3 Bnet UI features are quite simplified and there are layout problems too. In general Bnet UI features of Diablo 3 are worse than SC2's.
On April 24 2012 20:01 Deimos0 wrote:
So basically, D3 community made a fuss over the chat and one way or another they will get some changes, but SC2 still won't be touched. God, I hope that HoTS will bring some serious changes, because I will not forgive Blizzard spending so much money on games, where gamers' opinion doesn't even matter.
The question is when. No changes regarding D3 chat are expected before release: http://diablo.incgamers.com/blog/comments/no-changes-to-chat-before-release
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I forgot about this. At least they received different response than "it is on our wish list" or something like that. I hope that D3 community will get what they want - it would be nice precedence in contacts with Blizzard.
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The entire bnet team being fired would actually be great news, as maybe they were fired for it being such an epic disaster.
Greg Canessa lead them off a cliff IMO.
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Bashiok's post on Diablo 3 is interesting
We understand the requests, and have seen some of the creative suggestions, but we’re in the home stretch and aren’t looking to delay the release of the game further. Honestly speaking only a small portion of players will care if the chat channels are like they are, or if they’re more like the huge screen-dominating feature in D2. We have to apply value to the additional time it would take to address a small amount of requests for a change, and it just doesn’t outweigh releasing the game.
I think based on Battlenet 0.2 and D3's UI, it's safe to say that gone are the days of 'it will be released when it is released and not before.'
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On February 03 2012 05:03 GGzerG wrote:
Yea I agree but this is like beating the dead horse bro, what do you mean "we don't care?" , Do you realize how many threads there is on this already? Everybody cares! I think we will just have to wait till HOTS man, I think WoL to HOTS will be like Starcraft1 to Broodwar, epic and a lot better. Gl hf !
oh Yee of too much faith 
edit: sorry for the double post (see above) TL mobile app gave me some weird error and i sent the data twice
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On April 25 2012 07:42 Falling wrote:Bashiok's post on Diablo 3 is interesting Show nested quote +We understand the requests, and have seen some of the creative suggestions, but we’re in the home stretch and aren’t looking to delay the release of the game further. Honestly speaking only a small portion of players will care if the chat channels are like they are, or if they’re more like the huge screen-dominating feature in D2. We have to apply value to the additional time it would take to address a small amount of requests for a change, and it just doesn’t outweigh releasing the game. I think based on Battlenet 0.2 and D3's UI, it's safe to say that gone are the days of 'it will be released when it is released and not before.'
I really don't want to be the one to point this out, but Blizzard is sounding like fucking Activision right now. Shitting out games left and right. I'll be severely disappointed if HotS comes out late this year or early next year. Because I know that's way too fucking short of a development time for a game to have the Blizzard logo on it.
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I haven't read all 85 pages of this thread. (duh ...)
But, if it helps at all, I will add my my own thoughts to the cacophony of voices that are in opposition to Bnet 2.0
*Redundant criticism forthcoming*
My biggest grievance with the existing Bnet is the complete and utter lack of community. It is dead (D-E-D), dead!
There is certainly a plethora of features that are missing from this iteration of Bnet (Replays with friends etc ...)
but honestly, you log on and just simply feel ...
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alone
Fix it
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