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On February 01 2012 05:49 mcc wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2012 05:13 s4life wrote:On February 01 2012 05:11 Otolia wrote:On February 01 2012 05:05 drgoats wrote:On February 01 2012 04:57 s4life wrote:On February 01 2012 04:36 Auren wrote:On February 01 2012 04:24 s4life wrote:
Is this still going on? I wouldn't be surprised if some people went full retard over this and tried to justify Stephano's actions. He deserves a few bans in the next LAN tournaments imho. You probably shouldn't read the thread lol. There were some people even praising him for it and saying they gained respect for him for forfeiting the finals of a tournament. Oh wow, that's pretty f-ed up. I probably should stay away from this then heh. I feel e-sports has waaaaays to go in order to become legit. I mean if this shit happens without any serious repercussions, sponsors wouldn't exactly feel compelled to invest in prize money in tournaments if the participating players could just choose to log off before playing the finals. chao. Well he was offered the opportunity to play right away if I recall but he passed on it. (the guy above me beat me to it) Even if he wasn't given that opportunity, I would have told him to go rest for an hour and I will contact him when his match is ready. There are ways to overcome his tiredness and to continue. As his friend I would have realized the significance of playing that match, not only because of what he can win but also so that we can avoid drama like this. Stephano doesn't care about Drama, he never has, he never will. When you see him for real you wonder how he can play that fast and be so stoned ... Apparently, that's not the only thing he doesn't care for... Which just shows he is better adjusted than all of us.
Sure, if you don't care for anything you are the best adjusted person in the world. Logic applied vacuously in this case heh. You can still be a total asshole though.
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ONOG definitely made the right call. I'll definitely tune in again to their next event.
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On February 01 2012 05:50 Ghanburighan wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2012 05:44 m4inbrain wrote:On February 01 2012 05:33 Ghanburighan wrote:On February 01 2012 05:27 Therapist. wrote:
In no other sport is one required to play into the late hours of the night. He's also a secondary school student and probably had school in the morning. Cut him a break. Slave drivers want him to stay up playing Starcraft 24 hours a day... Le Mans 24h race would like a word with you... I hate to repeat myself over and over again, but he chose to play that tournament knowing the schedule, for the winner Kas it was even worse as he was 1 timezone further, he chose to play another tournament before this one himself, he delayed the tournament himself and he only played a wimpy 11 games total that evening. You know that there is more than one driver per car in a 24h race, right? That you have 3 driver per team and car? Not that i want to defend Stephano, but the 24h race would like to be left out of it, because its a bad example.  Grab another example then. But the drivers only take breaks, and the best ones drive up to 14 hours out of those 24. Also, the point is not to say that we want SC2 24h a day, but THE RAPIST asked for an example of a sport where people do sports in the middle of the night. And, by necessity, a 24h race will require some driver to drive in the wee hours of the night... Good example, no?
I dont need another example, i dont approve what Stephano did. 10 out of 24h btw leaves roughly 8 hours sleep, which is perfectly fine.
I think he meant examples for athletes doing stuff for more than 10h+. If i change my sleep-rythm (awake at night, sleeping the day), it would be no difference for me driving at night. You know what i mean?
The tennismatch which went till 4' am is the better example i think.
Or the best example i can think of: Ivan Nikolic versus Goran Arsovic. A Chessmatch, which went over 20 hours, straight, without delay.
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On February 01 2012 05:36 Ryps wrote:
I dont know why mods still keep this thread open, there's nothing good coming from it, only people expressing their hate towards Stephano. There surely must be a more important topic than a player forfeiting a tournament.
There were about 5 threads for what Naniwa did (which is no where near as shitty as what stephano did), so be grateful there is only one where people can vent.
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On February 01 2012 05:56 m4inbrain wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2012 05:50 Ghanburighan wrote:On February 01 2012 05:44 m4inbrain wrote:On February 01 2012 05:33 Ghanburighan wrote:On February 01 2012 05:27 Therapist. wrote:
In no other sport is one required to play into the late hours of the night. He's also a secondary school student and probably had school in the morning. Cut him a break. Slave drivers want him to stay up playing Starcraft 24 hours a day... Le Mans 24h race would like a word with you... I hate to repeat myself over and over again, but he chose to play that tournament knowing the schedule, for the winner Kas it was even worse as he was 1 timezone further, he chose to play another tournament before this one himself, he delayed the tournament himself and he only played a wimpy 11 games total that evening. You know that there is more than one driver per car in a 24h race, right? That you have 3 driver per team and car? Not that i want to defend Stephano, but the 24h race would like to be left out of it, because its a bad example. Grab another example then. But the drivers only take breaks, and the best ones drive up to 14 hours out of those 24. Also, the point is not to say that we want SC2 24h a day, but THE RAPIST asked for an example of a sport where people do sports in the middle of the night. And, by necessity, a 24h race will require some driver to drive in the wee hours of the night... Good example, no? I dont need another example, i dont approve what Stephano did. 10 out of 24h btw leaves roughly 8 hours sleep, which is perfectly fine. I think he meant examples for athletes doing stuff for more than 10h+. If i change my sleep-rythm (awake at night, sleeping the day), it would be no difference for me driving at night. You know what i mean? The tennismatch which went till 4' am is the better example i think. Or the best example i can think of: Ivan Nikolic versus Goran Arsovic. A Chessmatch, which went over 20 hours, straight, without delay.
Your examples are great too.
I was just invalidating THE RAPIST's claim: "In no other sport is one required to play into the late hours of the night." which has nothing to do with how many hours of sleep one gets. It's all about the actual hour of occurrence.
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Too all the people saying this is not a big deal or Stephano is being criticized too harshly. I dare you do the same thing at work or school. Tell your boss you are too tired to come to work because you just got off from your other job. You know today's the project deadline, but you are just too damn tired to work. If it doesn't get pushed back tomorrow, then I won't show up at all.
Life sucks. Deal with it like an adult, not some immature baby.
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On February 01 2012 05:58 ilikeredheads wrote:
Too all the people saying this is not a big deal or Stephano is being criticized too harshly. I dare you do the same thing at work or school. Tell your boss you are too tired to come to work because you just got off from your other job. You know today's the project deadline, but you are just too damn tired to work. If it doesn't get pushed back tomorrow, then I won't show up at all.
Life sucks. Deal with it like an adult, not some immature baby.
Me and Stephano... we ARE the boss. It's the spectator that is worried. Remember PUMA? He was like... sorry team, sorry manager, switching to EG ~ I'm my own man.
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On February 01 2012 05:56 m4inbrain wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2012 05:50 Ghanburighan wrote:On February 01 2012 05:44 m4inbrain wrote:On February 01 2012 05:33 Ghanburighan wrote:On February 01 2012 05:27 Therapist. wrote:
In no other sport is one required to play into the late hours of the night. He's also a secondary school student and probably had school in the morning. Cut him a break. Slave drivers want him to stay up playing Starcraft 24 hours a day... Le Mans 24h race would like a word with you... I hate to repeat myself over and over again, but he chose to play that tournament knowing the schedule, for the winner Kas it was even worse as he was 1 timezone further, he chose to play another tournament before this one himself, he delayed the tournament himself and he only played a wimpy 11 games total that evening. You know that there is more than one driver per car in a 24h race, right? That you have 3 driver per team and car? Not that i want to defend Stephano, but the 24h race would like to be left out of it, because its a bad example. Grab another example then. But the drivers only take breaks, and the best ones drive up to 14 hours out of those 24. Also, the point is not to say that we want SC2 24h a day, but THE RAPIST asked for an example of a sport where people do sports in the middle of the night. And, by necessity, a 24h race will require some driver to drive in the wee hours of the night... Good example, no? I dont need another example, i dont approve what Stephano did. 10 out of 24h btw leaves roughly 8 hours sleep, which is perfectly fine. I think he meant examples for athletes doing stuff for more than 10h+. If i change my sleep-rythm (awake at night, sleeping the day), it would be no difference for me driving at night. You know what i mean? The tennismatch which went till 4' am is the better example i think.Or the best example i can think of: Ivan Nikolic versus Goran Arsovic. A Chessmatch, which went over 20 hours, straight, without delay.
And completely irrelevant to this situation.
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On February 01 2012 06:02 Longshank wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2012 05:56 m4inbrain wrote:On February 01 2012 05:50 Ghanburighan wrote:On February 01 2012 05:44 m4inbrain wrote:On February 01 2012 05:33 Ghanburighan wrote:On February 01 2012 05:27 Therapist. wrote:
In no other sport is one required to play into the late hours of the night. He's also a secondary school student and probably had school in the morning. Cut him a break. Slave drivers want him to stay up playing Starcraft 24 hours a day... Le Mans 24h race would like a word with you... I hate to repeat myself over and over again, but he chose to play that tournament knowing the schedule, for the winner Kas it was even worse as he was 1 timezone further, he chose to play another tournament before this one himself, he delayed the tournament himself and he only played a wimpy 11 games total that evening. You know that there is more than one driver per car in a 24h race, right? That you have 3 driver per team and car? Not that i want to defend Stephano, but the 24h race would like to be left out of it, because its a bad example. Grab another example then. But the drivers only take breaks, and the best ones drive up to 14 hours out of those 24. Also, the point is not to say that we want SC2 24h a day, but THE RAPIST asked for an example of a sport where people do sports in the middle of the night. And, by necessity, a 24h race will require some driver to drive in the wee hours of the night... Good example, no? I dont need another example, i dont approve what Stephano did. 10 out of 24h btw leaves roughly 8 hours sleep, which is perfectly fine. I think he meant examples for athletes doing stuff for more than 10h+. If i change my sleep-rythm (awake at night, sleeping the day), it would be no difference for me driving at night. You know what i mean? The tennismatch which went till 4' am is the better example i think.Or the best example i can think of: Ivan Nikolic versus Goran Arsovic. A Chessmatch, which went over 20 hours, straight, without delay. And completely irrelevant to this situation.
So you bolded one of the three situations. What exactly was your point again?
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On February 01 2012 05:52 s4life wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2012 05:49 mcc wrote:On February 01 2012 05:13 s4life wrote:On February 01 2012 05:11 Otolia wrote:On February 01 2012 05:05 drgoats wrote:On February 01 2012 04:57 s4life wrote:On February 01 2012 04:36 Auren wrote:On February 01 2012 04:24 s4life wrote:
Is this still going on? I wouldn't be surprised if some people went full retard over this and tried to justify Stephano's actions. He deserves a few bans in the next LAN tournaments imho. You probably shouldn't read the thread lol. There were some people even praising him for it and saying they gained respect for him for forfeiting the finals of a tournament. Oh wow, that's pretty f-ed up. I probably should stay away from this then heh. I feel e-sports has waaaaays to go in order to become legit. I mean if this shit happens without any serious repercussions, sponsors wouldn't exactly feel compelled to invest in prize money in tournaments if the participating players could just choose to log off before playing the finals. chao. Well he was offered the opportunity to play right away if I recall but he passed on it. (the guy above me beat me to it) Even if he wasn't given that opportunity, I would have told him to go rest for an hour and I will contact him when his match is ready. There are ways to overcome his tiredness and to continue. As his friend I would have realized the significance of playing that match, not only because of what he can win but also so that we can avoid drama like this. Stephano doesn't care about Drama, he never has, he never will. When you see him for real you wonder how he can play that fast and be so stoned ... Apparently, that's not the only thing he doesn't care for... Which just shows he is better adjusted than all of us. Sure, if you don't care for anything you are the best adjusted person in the world. Logic applied vacuously in this case heh. You can still be a total asshole though.
It's a big jump from not caring about drama and bunch of forum posters to everything.
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On February 01 2012 05:58 ilikeredheads wrote:
Too all the people saying this is not a big deal or Stephano is being criticized too harshly. I dare you do the same thing at work or school. Tell your boss you are too tired to come to work because you just got off from your other job. You know today's the project deadline, but you are just too damn tired to work. If it doesn't get pushed back tomorrow, then I won't show up at all.
Life sucks. Deal with it like an adult, not some immature baby.
Your analogy fails as the tournament is not his employer.
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At some point you have to question whether the people perpetuating this thread care a little too much about Starcraft. After all, 70 pages is enough and no new points are being made.
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On February 01 2012 06:05 mcc wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2012 05:58 ilikeredheads wrote:
Too all the people saying this is not a big deal or Stephano is being criticized too harshly. I dare you do the same thing at work or school. Tell your boss you are too tired to come to work because you just got off from your other job. You know today's the project deadline, but you are just too damn tired to work. If it doesn't get pushed back tomorrow, then I won't show up at all.
Life sucks. Deal with it like an adult, not some immature baby. Your analogy fails as the tournament is not his employer.
Indeed, the tournament is only the person paying him to perform the task of playing.
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On February 01 2012 06:03 m4inbrain wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2012 06:02 Longshank wrote:On February 01 2012 05:56 m4inbrain wrote:On February 01 2012 05:50 Ghanburighan wrote:On February 01 2012 05:44 m4inbrain wrote:On February 01 2012 05:33 Ghanburighan wrote:On February 01 2012 05:27 Therapist. wrote:
In no other sport is one required to play into the late hours of the night. He's also a secondary school student and probably had school in the morning. Cut him a break. Slave drivers want him to stay up playing Starcraft 24 hours a day... Le Mans 24h race would like a word with you... I hate to repeat myself over and over again, but he chose to play that tournament knowing the schedule, for the winner Kas it was even worse as he was 1 timezone further, he chose to play another tournament before this one himself, he delayed the tournament himself and he only played a wimpy 11 games total that evening. You know that there is more than one driver per car in a 24h race, right? That you have 3 driver per team and car? Not that i want to defend Stephano, but the 24h race would like to be left out of it, because its a bad example. Grab another example then. But the drivers only take breaks, and the best ones drive up to 14 hours out of those 24. Also, the point is not to say that we want SC2 24h a day, but THE RAPIST asked for an example of a sport where people do sports in the middle of the night. And, by necessity, a 24h race will require some driver to drive in the wee hours of the night... Good example, no? I dont need another example, i dont approve what Stephano did. 10 out of 24h btw leaves roughly 8 hours sleep, which is perfectly fine. I think he meant examples for athletes doing stuff for more than 10h+. If i change my sleep-rythm (awake at night, sleeping the day), it would be no difference for me driving at night. You know what i mean? The tennismatch which went till 4' am is the better example i think.Or the best example i can think of: Ivan Nikolic versus Goran Arsovic. A Chessmatch, which went over 20 hours, straight, without delay. And completely irrelevant to this situation. So you bolded one of the three situations. What exactly was your point again?
That what happens in an Australian Open Grand Final is not even remotely comparable to a small online tournament of no importance or consequence. Had it been a Blizzcon or GSL final you can bet your ass Stephano would have played till his eyes bled.
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On January 31 2012 05:52 Zooper31 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2012 05:45 Otolia wrote:
Another person with a wrongfully placed sense of entitlement. Moving on ... Basically another Naniwa type incedent where the player thinks about himself before thinking about the tournament or fans.
Except Naniwa actually showed up so its completely different. Might wanna notice the differences in situations before you speak bud just saying.
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On February 01 2012 06:05 mcc wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2012 05:58 ilikeredheads wrote:
Too all the people saying this is not a big deal or Stephano is being criticized too harshly. I dare you do the same thing at work or school. Tell your boss you are too tired to come to work because you just got off from your other job. You know today's the project deadline, but you are just too damn tired to work. If it doesn't get pushed back tomorrow, then I won't show up at all.
Life sucks. Deal with it like an adult, not some immature baby. Your analogy fails as the tournament is not his employer.
An analogy is a comparison between two unlike things. A tournament may not technically be your employer in the normal sense, but it's still someone paying you to do something.
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tournment need to make player sign a contract so this won't happen, but I understand from step point of view as well.
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On February 01 2012 06:03 mcc wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2012 05:52 s4life wrote:On February 01 2012 05:49 mcc wrote:On February 01 2012 05:13 s4life wrote:On February 01 2012 05:11 Otolia wrote:On February 01 2012 05:05 drgoats wrote:On February 01 2012 04:57 s4life wrote:On February 01 2012 04:36 Auren wrote:On February 01 2012 04:24 s4life wrote:
Is this still going on? I wouldn't be surprised if some people went full retard over this and tried to justify Stephano's actions. He deserves a few bans in the next LAN tournaments imho. You probably shouldn't read the thread lol. There were some people even praising him for it and saying they gained respect for him for forfeiting the finals of a tournament. Oh wow, that's pretty f-ed up. I probably should stay away from this then heh. I feel e-sports has waaaaays to go in order to become legit. I mean if this shit happens without any serious repercussions, sponsors wouldn't exactly feel compelled to invest in prize money in tournaments if the participating players could just choose to log off before playing the finals. chao. Well he was offered the opportunity to play right away if I recall but he passed on it. (the guy above me beat me to it) Even if he wasn't given that opportunity, I would have told him to go rest for an hour and I will contact him when his match is ready. There are ways to overcome his tiredness and to continue. As his friend I would have realized the significance of playing that match, not only because of what he can win but also so that we can avoid drama like this. Stephano doesn't care about Drama, he never has, he never will. When you see him for real you wonder how he can play that fast and be so stoned ... Apparently, that's not the only thing he doesn't care for... Which just shows he is better adjusted than all of us. Sure, if you don't care for anything you are the best adjusted person in the world. Logic applied vacuously in this case heh. You can still be a total asshole though. It's a big jump from not caring about drama and bunch of forum posters to everything.
I am just using your -bogus- argument and make an extreme example out of it. Being better adjusted isn't really relevant to the discussion.
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On February 01 2012 06:09 Catatonic wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2012 05:52 Zooper31 wrote:On January 31 2012 05:45 Otolia wrote:
Another person with a wrongfully placed sense of entitlement. Moving on ... Basically another Naniwa type incedent where the player thinks about himself before thinking about the tournament or fans. Except Naniwa actually showed up so its completely different. Might wanna notice the differences in situations before you speak bud just saying.
You have got to be kidding me? 1a enter gg enter alt+f4 versus alt+f4 is different I guess.
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