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quakerix
Profile Joined May 2010
Netherlands172 Posts
February 18 2012 11:45 GMT
#161
I spam the youtube channel link to each zerg in my friendlist and everybody enjoys the content.
e-Sports freelancer
smwatkin
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada399 Posts
February 18 2012 15:58 GMT
#162
thanks for that. As for the theme weeks. We'll switch it up for the next few.
Umpteen
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United Kingdom1570 Posts
February 18 2012 21:21 GMT
#163
Personally: love the theme weeks because I can stay in the same place mentally while watching them all, rather than trying to put each VoD into a different context.
The existence of a food chain is inescapable if we evolved unsupervised, and inexcusable otherwise.
Wilshire093
Profile Joined June 2011
United States31 Posts
February 18 2012 23:17 GMT
#164
So people in the US can't download the replays?
smwatkin
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada399 Posts
February 19 2012 00:26 GMT
#165
why does that site not work? I don't know any file sharing sites
stoicRegret
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada206 Posts
February 19 2012 17:56 GMT
#166
Going live! Playing games with anyone from these forums! PM myself or Shawn to play vs me!

stoicNuvo.332 --> Shawn on NA
Holcan
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada2593 Posts
February 19 2012 18:21 GMT
#167
why would I want to fet 6 pooled !
Reference The Inadvertant Joey, Strong talented orchastrasted intelligent character.
romelako
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States373 Posts
February 19 2012 18:28 GMT
#168
On February 20 2012 03:21 Holcan wrote:
why would I want to fet 6 pooled !


You'd be playing with stoicNuvo, not regret. Regret = 6 pool any no-name.
smwatkin
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada399 Posts
February 19 2012 18:38 GMT
#169
holcan is just a troll
Xorphene
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom492 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-19 18:40:38
February 19 2012 18:40 GMT
#170
On February 19 2012 09:26 smwatkin wrote:
why does that site not work? I don't know any file sharing sites


Should upload the replays to http://drop.sc
T: Polt, Fantasy, Flash, Jjakji. P: HerO, Rain, Grubby, SoS. Z: Jaedong, Scarlett, Snute, Life. Casters: ToD, Apollo, MrBitter, Artosis, Day[9].
smwatkin
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada399 Posts
February 19 2012 18:55 GMT
#171
On February 20 2012 03:40 Xorphene wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 19 2012 09:26 smwatkin wrote:
why does that site not work? I don't know any file sharing sites


Should upload the replays to http://drop.sc


I'll check that out once the stream is done. Thanks for the tip
sanctuz
Profile Joined August 2010
Norway184 Posts
February 20 2012 08:20 GMT
#172
David, have you toyed any with agro hatching against FFE toss ? Like hatching in their main or even at their nat. I've had some success with it at diamond level, but I'm not sure if thats because they have no idea how to handle it or if its really viable.Any thoughts?
Tobberoth
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden6375 Posts
February 20 2012 09:33 GMT
#173
The david vs EGLzGaMeR game 2 is incorrectly uploaded, it's actually the game vs Odyssey.
Hairy
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom1169 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-20 14:23:19
February 20 2012 12:31 GMT
#174
On February 20 2012 17:20 sanctuz wrote:
David, have you toyed any with agro hatching against FFE toss ? Like hatching in their main or even at their nat. I've had some success with it at diamond level, but I'm not sure if thats because they have no idea how to handle it or if its really viable.Any thoughts?

I'm not david, but am another Diamond Zerg
I toyed around with this a lot, even so far as to making a really smooth build for it.
+ Show Spoiler [Proxy Hatch Roach build] +
9 OL
Send proxy drone with ~12th drone (depends on map)
14 pool
15 ol (save larvae!)
15 queen (do NOT inject with first 2x cycles if proxy is happening)
6x lings
20 PROXY HATCH ( ~3:30 )
[drones]
@4:15 roach warren & extractor
@~4:40 hatchery at our natural
@5:10 proxy hatch finishes!
  • The six zerglings should immediately charge to his base and attempt to get past his wall. The cannon should be up at this point; 2 of the 6 lings will die getting past the wall, but 4 should make it through. The zerglings' #1 priority is to defend the proxy hatch
  • Pump roaches from proxy while droning at home. Get ling speed when you have the gas
  • The reason the queen at home skips two injects is because you cannot economically afford to due to the cost of setting up for the proxy roaches.
  • If we cannot proxy, take your own natural and use the queen for injects instead


I loved the build and had some success with it, but I basically concluded it was completely defendable by a Protoss that knows what he is doing:
  • A protoss can immediately place a pylon ---> cannon next to your proxy hatchery, then place a SECOND cannon timed so that it finishes just after your hatchery will (so if you cancel your hatchery, he can cancel his second cannon).
  • Cannons should be placed as close to where larvae will appear as possible (thinking about it, a protoss could probably even WALL IN a zerg's larvae with clever building placement).
  • Protoss should pull ~6 probes to coincide with when your roaches will spawn, to immediately surround and trap roaches in range of the cannons.

When a protoss reacted appropriately, didn't panic and kept building his tech up and chronoboosting probes as he should, at best I ended up equal to him (sometimes I was behind). The 6 zergling proxy defense was my attempted solution to the problem whereby protoss could defend this quite easily, but I found, again, that protoss who knew what they were doing could deflect this (protoss should be properly walled off with a hold position probe to block your lings until zealot arrives).

So I don't do it anymore :[ In my opinion I believe Protoss can deflect this style proxy hatch and come out ahead if they know what they are doing, which makes this a dead strategy to me (even if it works vs most protoss right now). I could try and "hide" the hatchery (I was building it in what I considered to be the best possible position, rather than a "hidden" position), but then I am basically conceding the strategy is non-viable and I am relying on my protoss opponent being bad and not noticing the missing drone or finding the hatchery. There may be merit to "evo chamber blocking" his nexus, or a proxy hatch OUTSIDE of his base, but I don't know about that.

My 2 cents

EDIT: I might shut up. People probably want the opinion from someone that actually knows what they are talking about (i.e. probably not me)
Sometimes I sits and thinks, and sometimes I just sits
smwatkin
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada399 Posts
February 20 2012 14:17 GMT
#175
On February 20 2012 18:33 Tobberoth wrote:
The david vs EGLzGaMeR game 2 is incorrectly uploaded, it's actually the game vs Odyssey.


i looked into that. Doesn't seem to be the case
Tobberoth
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden6375 Posts
February 20 2012 14:32 GMT
#176
On February 20 2012 23:17 smwatkin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 20 2012 18:33 Tobberoth wrote:
The david vs EGLzGaMeR game 2 is incorrectly uploaded, it's actually the game vs Odyssey.


i looked into that. Doesn't seem to be the case

Must have fixed it, or my youtube just crapped out massively somehow and started the wrong video, works for me now.
ixi.genocide
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States981 Posts
February 20 2012 21:59 GMT
#177
I just finished episode 9 and I like it quite a bit. I am going to watch all of your vids and I recommend others to do the same.

I also like the MU spec episode, specifically looking at the variations of plays based on your reactions of your opponents.
smwatkin
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada399 Posts
February 20 2012 22:18 GMT
#178
updated the replay pack links.
6xFPCs
Profile Joined April 2009
United States412 Posts
February 21 2012 07:50 GMT
#179
On February 19 2012 00:58 smwatkin wrote:
As for the theme weeks. We'll switch it up for the next few.


Any hints on what's coming up?

(My money's on ZvR.)
Honcepoi
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany29 Posts
February 21 2012 09:27 GMT
#180
i reallly like your vods helped me to get to masters again after a long period of time. Great VoDs. I wonder why you do not have more viewers.
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