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I never thought MC would leave oGs...
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On January 16 2012 02:12 Vorenius wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2012 18:09 inamorato wrote:On January 15 2012 18:04 MattBarry wrote:On January 15 2012 17:59 inamorato wrote:On January 15 2012 16:16 Golgotha wrote:On January 15 2012 15:18 Xxavi wrote:
I am a big MC fan, but not sure how he will fare without constant practice in teamhouse. I know, you can practice on ladder, but not sure if it will be same.
Perhaps MC wanted to be with his girlfriend more, on top of whatever salary SK offered him.
Another thing is, if MC doesn't get as much money as he can get now, I think once SC BW A-team players switch, MC will have low chance, may be none at all, to win any big prize. I think those days are close. it is NOT the same at all. he cannot replace the korean practice house environment with what he has with SK. not even close. tbh this is not good for mc but man it is hard to turn down big money. Yeah because I'm sure all of the OGs players would turn down a game with MC or all of the entire pro Starcraft league in general. I have never heard of a case of players from team A thanking players from team B by helping them practice to beat a player. Just because you don't live in a team house doesn't mean you lose all of your connection to the Starcraft community. He isn't going to lose any practice partners because of his departure from OGs, to think so is cynical and coming from a small minded vindictive attitude. So I'm reading your post thinking "Yeah, this guy has got it right" But damn man, that last sentence is bit harsh don't you think? Well it isn't meant to be interpreted that way but it seems that people on this forum put themselves in the bodies of OGs players and think "Oh I hate MC for leaving and taking advantage of an enormous opportunity I will never practice will him again", and that's just not how it works. He will still have plenty of people to practice will IF he chooses to. Now him leaving the house may allow certain character defects to take precedence which may effect his play negatively. But his play won't be affected in the lack of practice partners, that I can assure. To me that is a vindictive attitude, and that's just not how it works. I apologize if I come off harsh but the ignorance of most of the posters is above and beyond. Even if he does play with his former team mate from time to time, it should be obvious that it's no longer a priority of their to keep playing with him. If Supernove has to practise TvT for an upcomming GSL game, do you think TOP will say "I can't man I'm playing with this former team mate of ours."? Of course not, he'll help his team mate out first and foremost. Will TOP help MC out when he has nothing else to do? Probably, but MC's practise possibilities are at best diminished. Even disregarding that, and assuming MC can practise with oGs all he wants, nothing can compare to living 24/7 with other gamers, discussing SC2 all day long, and the motivation that comes from living in a competitive environment. Then again all that might just be becasue I'm a small minded cynic with a vindictive attitude (and because I'm killing esports). Right?
Not to mention, you simply don't know how it works!
Nah I think you are spot on. He may or may not have the same practice partners, but like you say it will be on a different level than when inside the oGs house/team. Moving out of the house is one thing, but leaving the whole teamhouse enviroment(as in not training or visiting it) is another. Dunno, hope everything goes well for him, but I doubt this will turn out well for his career(obv. his wallet might bloom though).
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On January 16 2012 02:30 Zarahtra wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2012 02:12 Vorenius wrote:On January 15 2012 18:09 inamorato wrote:On January 15 2012 18:04 MattBarry wrote:On January 15 2012 17:59 inamorato wrote:On January 15 2012 16:16 Golgotha wrote:On January 15 2012 15:18 Xxavi wrote:
I am a big MC fan, but not sure how he will fare without constant practice in teamhouse. I know, you can practice on ladder, but not sure if it will be same.
Perhaps MC wanted to be with his girlfriend more, on top of whatever salary SK offered him.
Another thing is, if MC doesn't get as much money as he can get now, I think once SC BW A-team players switch, MC will have low chance, may be none at all, to win any big prize. I think those days are close. it is NOT the same at all. he cannot replace the korean practice house environment with what he has with SK. not even close. tbh this is not good for mc but man it is hard to turn down big money. Yeah because I'm sure all of the OGs players would turn down a game with MC or all of the entire pro Starcraft league in general. I have never heard of a case of players from team A thanking players from team B by helping them practice to beat a player. Just because you don't live in a team house doesn't mean you lose all of your connection to the Starcraft community. He isn't going to lose any practice partners because of his departure from OGs, to think so is cynical and coming from a small minded vindictive attitude. So I'm reading your post thinking "Yeah, this guy has got it right" But damn man, that last sentence is bit harsh don't you think? Well it isn't meant to be interpreted that way but it seems that people on this forum put themselves in the bodies of OGs players and think "Oh I hate MC for leaving and taking advantage of an enormous opportunity I will never practice will him again", and that's just not how it works. He will still have plenty of people to practice will IF he chooses to. Now him leaving the house may allow certain character defects to take precedence which may effect his play negatively. But his play won't be affected in the lack of practice partners, that I can assure. To me that is a vindictive attitude, and that's just not how it works. I apologize if I come off harsh but the ignorance of most of the posters is above and beyond. Even if he does play with his former team mate from time to time, it should be obvious that it's no longer a priority of their to keep playing with him. If Supernove has to practise TvT for an upcomming GSL game, do you think TOP will say "I can't man I'm playing with this former team mate of ours."? Of course not, he'll help his team mate out first and foremost. Will TOP help MC out when he has nothing else to do? Probably, but MC's practise possibilities are at best diminished. Even disregarding that, and assuming MC can practise with oGs all he wants, nothing can compare to living 24/7 with other gamers, discussing SC2 all day long, and the motivation that comes from living in a competitive environment. Then again all that might just be becasue I'm a small minded cynic with a vindictive attitude (and because I'm killing esports). Right? Not to mention, you simply don't know how it works! Nah I think you are spot on. He may or may not have the same practice partners, but like you say it will be on a different level than when inside the oGs house/team. Moving out of the house is one thing, but leaving the whole teamhouse enviroment(as in not training or visiting it) is another. Dunno, hope everything goes well for him, but I doubt this will turn out well for his career(obv. his wallet might bloom though).
Not only did I never really agree with this viewpoint, I am no longer even willing to give it any more chances. I think the exact opposite is true. If I am MC and a serious gaming team iss willing to sponsor me and provide everything I need to live comfortably and play in as many tournament as possible, I no longer have to worry about logistics or stress about my future. Therefor I am able to focus on the game without any anxiety over whether or not this will be working out for me. Can you imagine how many sc2 pros dont even make a comfortable living and put in just as much if not more time than mc? Now that MC is established and has serious support, I think he will be motivated to really show SK that he was worth the pickup and to show all of you doubters that this was the best decision for him. LIke them or hate them, SK is probably the most succesful proteam in terms of cahmpionships across a variety of games, they achieve this by A. Signing only the very best players and B. Providing those players everything they need to make their gaming the #1 priority. SK players are some of the most experienced veterans in progaming and are on a whole nother level than a lot of other teams. MC will be fine, mark my words.
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On January 16 2012 03:22 stratmatt wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2012 02:30 Zarahtra wrote:On January 16 2012 02:12 Vorenius wrote:On January 15 2012 18:09 inamorato wrote:On January 15 2012 18:04 MattBarry wrote:On January 15 2012 17:59 inamorato wrote:On January 15 2012 16:16 Golgotha wrote:On January 15 2012 15:18 Xxavi wrote:
I am a big MC fan, but not sure how he will fare without constant practice in teamhouse. I know, you can practice on ladder, but not sure if it will be same.
Perhaps MC wanted to be with his girlfriend more, on top of whatever salary SK offered him.
Another thing is, if MC doesn't get as much money as he can get now, I think once SC BW A-team players switch, MC will have low chance, may be none at all, to win any big prize. I think those days are close. it is NOT the same at all. he cannot replace the korean practice house environment with what he has with SK. not even close. tbh this is not good for mc but man it is hard to turn down big money. Yeah because I'm sure all of the OGs players would turn down a game with MC or all of the entire pro Starcraft league in general. I have never heard of a case of players from team A thanking players from team B by helping them practice to beat a player. Just because you don't live in a team house doesn't mean you lose all of your connection to the Starcraft community. He isn't going to lose any practice partners because of his departure from OGs, to think so is cynical and coming from a small minded vindictive attitude. So I'm reading your post thinking "Yeah, this guy has got it right" But damn man, that last sentence is bit harsh don't you think? Well it isn't meant to be interpreted that way but it seems that people on this forum put themselves in the bodies of OGs players and think "Oh I hate MC for leaving and taking advantage of an enormous opportunity I will never practice will him again", and that's just not how it works. He will still have plenty of people to practice will IF he chooses to. Now him leaving the house may allow certain character defects to take precedence which may effect his play negatively. But his play won't be affected in the lack of practice partners, that I can assure. To me that is a vindictive attitude, and that's just not how it works. I apologize if I come off harsh but the ignorance of most of the posters is above and beyond. Even if he does play with his former team mate from time to time, it should be obvious that it's no longer a priority of their to keep playing with him. If Supernove has to practise TvT for an upcomming GSL game, do you think TOP will say "I can't man I'm playing with this former team mate of ours."? Of course not, he'll help his team mate out first and foremost. Will TOP help MC out when he has nothing else to do? Probably, but MC's practise possibilities are at best diminished. Even disregarding that, and assuming MC can practise with oGs all he wants, nothing can compare to living 24/7 with other gamers, discussing SC2 all day long, and the motivation that comes from living in a competitive environment. Then again all that might just be becasue I'm a small minded cynic with a vindictive attitude (and because I'm killing esports). Right? Not to mention, you simply don't know how it works! Nah I think you are spot on. He may or may not have the same practice partners, but like you say it will be on a different level than when inside the oGs house/team. Moving out of the house is one thing, but leaving the whole teamhouse enviroment(as in not training or visiting it) is another. Dunno, hope everything goes well for him, but I doubt this will turn out well for his career(obv. his wallet might bloom though). Not only did I never really agree with this viewpoint, I am no longer even willing to give it any more chances. I think the exact opposite is true. If I am MC and a serious gaming team iss willing to sponsor me and provide everything I need to live comfortably and play in as many tournament as possible, I no longer have to worry about logistics or stress about my future. Therefor I am able to focus on the game without any anxiety over whether or not this will be working out for me. Can you imagine how many sc2 pros dont even make a comfortable living and put in just as much if not more time than mc? Now that MC is established and has serious support, I think he will be motivated to really show SK that he was worth the pickup and to show all of you doubters that this was the best decision for him. LIke them or hate them, SK is probably the most succesful proteam in terms of cahmpionships across a variety of games, they achieve this by A. Signing only the very best players and B. Providing those players everything they need to make their gaming the #1 priority. SK players are some of the most experienced veterans in progaming and are on a whole nother level than a lot of other teams. MC will be fine, mark my words.
I'll hold you to that. Then, even if my favourite player goes downhill, I'll still have the self-satisfaction of being right to fall back on.
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On January 16 2012 02:30 Zarahtra wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2012 02:12 Vorenius wrote:On January 15 2012 18:09 inamorato wrote:On January 15 2012 18:04 MattBarry wrote:On January 15 2012 17:59 inamorato wrote:On January 15 2012 16:16 Golgotha wrote:On January 15 2012 15:18 Xxavi wrote:
I am a big MC fan, but not sure how he will fare without constant practice in teamhouse. I know, you can practice on ladder, but not sure if it will be same.
Perhaps MC wanted to be with his girlfriend more, on top of whatever salary SK offered him.
Another thing is, if MC doesn't get as much money as he can get now, I think once SC BW A-team players switch, MC will have low chance, may be none at all, to win any big prize. I think those days are close. it is NOT the same at all. he cannot replace the korean practice house environment with what he has with SK. not even close. tbh this is not good for mc but man it is hard to turn down big money. Yeah because I'm sure all of the OGs players would turn down a game with MC or all of the entire pro Starcraft league in general. I have never heard of a case of players from team A thanking players from team B by helping them practice to beat a player. Just because you don't live in a team house doesn't mean you lose all of your connection to the Starcraft community. He isn't going to lose any practice partners because of his departure from OGs, to think so is cynical and coming from a small minded vindictive attitude. So I'm reading your post thinking "Yeah, this guy has got it right" But damn man, that last sentence is bit harsh don't you think? Well it isn't meant to be interpreted that way but it seems that people on this forum put themselves in the bodies of OGs players and think "Oh I hate MC for leaving and taking advantage of an enormous opportunity I will never practice will him again", and that's just not how it works. He will still have plenty of people to practice will IF he chooses to. Now him leaving the house may allow certain character defects to take precedence which may effect his play negatively. But his play won't be affected in the lack of practice partners, that I can assure. To me that is a vindictive attitude, and that's just not how it works. I apologize if I come off harsh but the ignorance of most of the posters is above and beyond. Even if he does play with his former team mate from time to time, it should be obvious that it's no longer a priority of their to keep playing with him. If Supernove has to practise TvT for an upcomming GSL game, do you think TOP will say "I can't man I'm playing with this former team mate of ours."? Of course not, he'll help his team mate out first and foremost. Will TOP help MC out when he has nothing else to do? Probably, but MC's practise possibilities are at best diminished. Even disregarding that, and assuming MC can practise with oGs all he wants, nothing can compare to living 24/7 with other gamers, discussing SC2 all day long, and the motivation that comes from living in a competitive environment. Then again all that might just be becasue I'm a small minded cynic with a vindictive attitude (and because I'm killing esports). Right? Not to mention, you simply don't know how it works! Nah I think you are spot on. He may or may not have the same practice partners, but like you say it will be on a different level than when inside the oGs house/team. Moving out of the house is one thing, but leaving the whole teamhouse enviroment(as in not training or visiting it) is another. Dunno, hope everything goes well for him, but I doubt this will turn out well for his career(obv. his wallet might bloom though).
I don't know if you're from BW or something, but this kind of stuff happened all the time in WC3. In fact, most of the top Korean WC3 players used to/ are playing for foreign team with no facility or training house.
Sure, thing might get hard when players are not in team house environment, but it's not that that hard as long as people has discipline. They still practice with same people on bnet, other players will still visit their houses to help out with practice just like in WC3,..v.v.v.v..v
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On January 16 2012 00:53 mordk wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2012 18:09 inamorato wrote:On January 15 2012 18:04 MattBarry wrote:On January 15 2012 17:59 inamorato wrote:On January 15 2012 16:16 Golgotha wrote:On January 15 2012 15:18 Xxavi wrote:
I am a big MC fan, but not sure how he will fare without constant practice in teamhouse. I know, you can practice on ladder, but not sure if it will be same.
Perhaps MC wanted to be with his girlfriend more, on top of whatever salary SK offered him.
Another thing is, if MC doesn't get as much money as he can get now, I think once SC BW A-team players switch, MC will have low chance, may be none at all, to win any big prize. I think those days are close. it is NOT the same at all. he cannot replace the korean practice house environment with what he has with SK. not even close. tbh this is not good for mc but man it is hard to turn down big money. Yeah because I'm sure all of the OGs players would turn down a game with MC or all of the entire pro Starcraft league in general. I have never heard of a case of players from team A thanking players from team B by helping them practice to beat a player. Just because you don't live in a team house doesn't mean you lose all of your connection to the Starcraft community. He isn't going to lose any practice partners because of his departure from OGs, to think so is cynical and coming from a small minded vindictive attitude. So I'm reading your post thinking "Yeah, this guy has got it right" But damn man, that last sentence is bit harsh don't you think? Well it isn't meant to be interpreted that way but it seems that people on this forum put themselves in the bodies of OGs players and think "Oh I hate MC for leaving and taking advantage of an enormous opportunity I will never practice will him again", and that's just not how it works. He will still have plenty of people to practice will IF he chooses to. Now him leaving the house may allow certain character defects to take precedence which may effect his play negatively. But his play won't be affected in the lack of practice partners, that I can assure. To me that is a vindictive attitude, and that's just not how it works. I apologize if I come off harsh but the ignorance of most of the posters is above and beyond. Nope. In my opinion, the truth is regardless of having pretty much the same practice partners (which he obviously will), when you lose the team house you lose the discipline, you lose the constant SC environment, and very importantly, you lose your coach. There's a lot more to practicing for something than playing practice games. This applies to anything in life.
Apparently you're not very disciplined in reading. If you read the middle paragraph you would conclude that your quoting of my statements was irrelevant. But then again you're probably not in school, so the same parameters apply.
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On January 16 2012 02:12 Vorenius wrote:Show nested quote +On January 15 2012 18:09 inamorato wrote:On January 15 2012 18:04 MattBarry wrote:On January 15 2012 17:59 inamorato wrote:On January 15 2012 16:16 Golgotha wrote:On January 15 2012 15:18 Xxavi wrote:
I am a big MC fan, but not sure how he will fare without constant practice in teamhouse. I know, you can practice on ladder, but not sure if it will be same.
Perhaps MC wanted to be with his girlfriend more, on top of whatever salary SK offered him.
Another thing is, if MC doesn't get as much money as he can get now, I think once SC BW A-team players switch, MC will have low chance, may be none at all, to win any big prize. I think those days are close. it is NOT the same at all. he cannot replace the korean practice house environment with what he has with SK. not even close. tbh this is not good for mc but man it is hard to turn down big money. Yeah because I'm sure all of the OGs players would turn down a game with MC or all of the entire pro Starcraft league in general. I have never heard of a case of players from team A thanking players from team B by helping them practice to beat a player. Just because you don't live in a team house doesn't mean you lose all of your connection to the Starcraft community. He isn't going to lose any practice partners because of his departure from OGs, to think so is cynical and coming from a small minded vindictive attitude. So I'm reading your post thinking "Yeah, this guy has got it right" But damn man, that last sentence is bit harsh don't you think? Well it isn't meant to be interpreted that way but it seems that people on this forum put themselves in the bodies of OGs players and think "Oh I hate MC for leaving and taking advantage of an enormous opportunity I will never practice will him again", and that's just not how it works. He will still have plenty of people to practice will IF he chooses to. Now him leaving the house may allow certain character defects to take precedence which may effect his play negatively. But his play won't be affected in the lack of practice partners, that I can assure. To me that is a vindictive attitude, and that's just not how it works. I apologize if I come off harsh but the ignorance of most of the posters is above and beyond. Even if he does play with his former team mate from time to time, it should be obvious that it's no longer a priority of their to keep playing with him. If Supernove has to practise TvT for an upcomming GSL game, do you think TOP will say "I can't man I'm playing with this former team mate of ours."? Of course not, he'll help his team mate out first and foremost. Will TOP help MC out when he has nothing else to do? Probably, but MC's practise possibilities are at best diminished. Even disregarding that, and assuming MC can practise with oGs all he wants, nothing can compare to living 24/7 with other gamers, discussing SC2 all day long, and the motivation that comes from living in a competitive environment. Then again all that might just be becasue I'm a small minded cynic with a vindictive attitude (and because I'm killing esports). Right?
Read the above post I just wrote to the former.
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He still has a lot of people to practice with, he will be fine.
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[QUOTE]On January 15 2012 17:59 inamorato wrote:
[QUOTE]On January 15 2012 16:16 Golgotha wrote:
[QUOTE]On January 15 2012 15:18 Xxavi wrote:
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I have never heard of a case of players from team A thanking players from team B by helping them practice to beat a player.
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check jakji thanking MC for practice partener when he beat OZ in semifinals . and this thing is like 2 months old 
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wow sad day i liked him in oGs
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On January 16 2012 05:46 xsnac wrote:check jakji thanking MC for practice partener when he beat OZ in semifinals . and this thing is like 2 months old
Whoosh
He was being sarcastic. It happens all the time.
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holy shit came to TL looking for news about artosis having a baby and found this.
/JAWDROP
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Never saw this coming, he looks pretty slick in that new team jersey!
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*looking at TL homepage*
*finds this thread*
WHAT....?!?!
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On January 14 2012 00:52 SFX wrote:
I'm Jack's overwhelming shock.
haha that was a good one :D:D
Im happy for him because SK is great company and will give him good support espacially rice bc they seemed quite cool with ech other at HSC4 . Lets see how the new training environment will work out for him though...
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Saw something like this coming - SK was bound to screw someone over. Hard luck oGs, should've done your research.
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hopefuly sk makes a pro house
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Man, such a huge move to be away from oGs. Like oGs has balls man, you know, they're oGs. They're a standard badass proteam. Like respect to SK, but I wouldn't have seen them become sole sponsor of MC.
Love to see SK build a decent team. Need more team rivalry for team leagues etc
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At HSC IV he said that korean player strong point is to have a team house and pratice/share lot togheter...what about that?! I think if this is true, he'll have a slowly and sad fall...
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=( oGs (original gangsters) MC was the coolest ever
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