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Hello everyone! After a great first season the Korean Weekly is BACK and ready to roll for 2012!!!! We will be expanding the tournament in several ways, and thanks to the genrosity of Twitch TV for Season 2 the Korean Weekly will be expanding!
The most important change will be in the Monthly Finals, which have been scrapped in favor of the ESV TV/Twitch TV Grand Prix events.
The ESV TV/Twitch TV Grand Prix events will feature a much more extensive roster of players, upping the number to 36 per event. Most importantly the prize pool has been increased to $2,000 USD per event!!!!
With this change there will be several other effects. One will be that 8 weeklies will seed into the Grand Prix instead of previously there was only 4 per finals. This will allow a much more diverse player base, as well as allowing for a double group stage format. The winners of the dual group stage will advance into a 8 man, single elimination tournament for all the glory and prizes!
In addition there will be 4 invites players per event that will invites. 2 will be foreigner invites, and 2 will be previous champions of the Finals/Grand Prix's.
We hope with this increased prize pool the Korean Weekly will continue to be one of the very premiere weekly events in the world, and a real trend setter.
I cannot personally say how much I appreciate all the love and support we received this past year, and I will continue to do everything I can to make this tournament the best!
I will be rolling out more details in this thread once our production guy gets back into town and can make me some cool diagrams and such, so make sure and stay tuned to this thread as it WILL be updated.
Thank you again everyone!
Edit: About Code A slot
The lack of Code A was actually something I decided. When I was asking advice from some people about CoCa/Byun someone I respect as a tourney admin A LOT said this to me Show nested quote + It's the same problem you have with players forefeiting for teammates constantly gotta fix the source of the problem not the behavior. I could not agree more. The system works, Jjajki is a GSL Champion, I don't want to break it but as long as Code A is there I am stuck either breaking the format or having the non stop risk of CoCa/Byun. So that's why I wanted to increase the monetary prize pool. I am looking at this time at working on seeding into foreign events like Dreamhack instead as that has a lot more value to most Koreans. Nothing yet but it's a direction I am trying to head.
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Will there still be Code A seeds?
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On January 01 2012 07:19 dinosrwar wrote:
Will there still be Code A seeds?
Not at this time no.
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This sounds really good. I'm interested to see how the Twitch TV Grand Prix events will play out. Glad they picked you up!
I am curious about the Code A seeding issues. Have you changed anything this season?
[EDIT] Nvm, I need to F5 more XD
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On January 01 2012 07:22 rapidtransit247 wrote:
This sounds really good. I'm interested to see how the Twitch TV Grand Prix events will play out. Glad they picked you up!
I am curious about the Code A seeding issues. Have you changed anything this season?
Thanks! 
The lack of Code A was actually something I decided. When I was asking advice from some people about CoCa/Byun someone I respect as a tourney admin A LOT said this to me
It's the same problem you have with players forefeiting for teammates constantly gotta fix the source of the problem not the behavior.
I could not agree more. The system works, Jjajki is a GSL Champion, I don't want to break it but as long as Code A is there I am stuck either breaking the format or having the non stop risk of CoCa/Byun. So that's why I wanted to increase the monetary prize pool.
I am looking at this time at working on seeding into foreign events like Dreamhack instead as that has a lot more value to most Koreans. Nothing yet but it's a direction I am trying to head.
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Looks good! At least the winners will be getting a little more money and maybe attract some more people.
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On January 01 2012 07:25 Diamond wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2012 07:22 rapidtransit247 wrote:
This sounds really good. I'm interested to see how the Twitch TV Grand Prix events will play out. Glad they picked you up!
I am curious about the Code A seeding issues. Have you changed anything this season? Thanks! The lack of Code A was actually something I decided. When I was asking advice from some people about CoCa/Byun someone I respect as a tourney admin A LOT said this to me Show nested quote + It's the same problem you have with players forefeiting for teammates constantly gotta fix the source of the problem not the behavior. I could not agree more. The system works, Jjajki is a GSL Champion, I don't want to break it but as long as Code A is there I am stuck either breaking the format or having the non stop risk of CoCa/Byun. So that's why I wanted to increase the monetary prize pool. I am looking at this time at working on seeding into foreign events like Dreamhack instead as that has a lot more value to most Koreans. Nothing yet but it's a direction I am trying to head.
I hope you know how smart of a person you are. Or perhaps you just seem really smart to me, I don't know but you are great.
That being said I think these changes are great and what you are doing is awesome.
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I hope this helps with the tournament being the "Taeja Weekly". As fun as it is to watch, it gets kinda dull when you can so easily predict the winner each week.
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Long time viewer of the Korean Weekly here. I love the fact that your "baby" is getting bigger and better in 2012. The improvements and advertisement of the Korean Weekly (on Reddit especially) already draws a decent viewer count every week and is steadily increasing.
This announcement above is awesome, really looking forward to this! Thanks Diamond, amazing work as always! :D
What I'd like to know is, if the partnership with GOM is officially over - there is no longer a Code A seed on the line. Somehow I have the feeling it might have something to do with the incident between CoCa and HongUn, please correct me if I'm wrong. Anyway, hope you get GOM's support back om 2012 because I had the impression the Code A seed encouraged more and more koreans to participate in the Korean Weekly.
For me personally it doesn't really matter. The Korean Weekly is awesome and I will continue to watch and support you regardless.
PS: ...but I have to admit I miss CoCa so much in the Korean Weekly... :'(
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Korean weeklies are the biggest, and one of the few, windows into the world of up and coming korean pros. Thanks a lot for this it's an awesome thing to watch.
Even these less known players show such insane skills.
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Um, that's epic, it's really a shame that there aren't any Code A seeds anymore but I'm sure whoever wins it has enough skill to pass the qualifiers, hopefully it'll continue to be a great production in the new year, so much talent and now a bigger prize pool.
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How are you dealing with the issue of wanting to release replays vs wanting to have more premier Koreans playing?
Are you still planning to release replays, and will this affect the player pool?
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Will Orb continue to cast these? I really hope so, he's an awesome caster.
Good luck in 2012 Diamond and rest of the ESV -folks! Keep the awesome up!
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On January 01 2012 07:50 obsKura wrote:
Long time viewer of the Korean Weekly here. I love the fact that your "baby" is getting bigger and better in 2012. The improvements and advertisement of the Korean Weekly (on Reddit especially) already draws a decent viewer count every week and is steadily increasing.
This announcement above is awesome, really looking forward to this! Thanks Diamond, amazing work as always! :D
What I'd like to know is, if the partnership with GOM is officially over - there is no longer a Code A seed on the line. Somehow I have the feeling it might have something to do with the incident between CoCa and HongUn, please correct me if I'm wrong. Anyway, hope you get GOM's support back om 2012 because I had the impression the Code A seed encouraged more and more koreans to participate in the Korean Weekly.
For me personally it doesn't really matter. The Korean Weekly is awesome and I will continue to watch and support you regardless.
PS: ...but I have to admit I miss CoCa so much in the Korean Weekly... :'(
The partnership with GOM is still alive and kicking. There was many parts to it including promotion that will still be going on. The lack of Code A was my decision.
CoCa is also still qualified for the Grand Prix #1 if I get Cella or Jessica's approval.
On January 01 2012 07:59 Lonyo wrote:
How are you dealing with the issue of wanting to release replays vs wanting to have more premier Koreans playing?
Are you still planning to release replays, and will this affect the player pool?
I am undecided, but I think the current model is not working. I might have to do something where we only release replays that are over 45 days old or something, like I said though, not 100% sure.
On January 01 2012 08:09 namste wrote:Will Orb continue to cast these? I really hope so, he's an awesome caster. Good luck in 2012 Diamond and rest of the ESV -folks! Keep the awesome up!
As much as possible yes, the one thing about him being so awesome is he is pretty in demand now and I cannot pay him the same thing companies like NASL do. He loves the tournament though and I hope to have him on as much as possible.
However NASL in particular refuses to work with me on scheduling, or even talk to me about it to find a common ground so idk exactly.
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Really excited to see the ESV Grand Prix :D
Should be some insane competition. Just curious though, do you know how you're going to handle the player list if Taeja someone breaks into the Top 4 multiple times?
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On January 01 2012 09:41 VirgilSC2 wrote:
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Really excited to see the ESV Grand Prix :D
Should be some insane competition. Just curious though, do you know how you're going to handle the player list if Taeja someone breaks into the Top 4 multiple times?
Yep. Actually two fold.
1: The player that qualifies multiple times is completely ignored aside for the first time they qualified for the highest seed out of the bunch. Go down the list after. This is no different then before.
2: Players that qualify for a top seed multiple times (ie: multiple 1st place finishes) will get the reward of having a completely clear group (2nd seed gets moved to the pool of selectable players) and will pick their entire group first.
So for Grand Prix #1, Taeja will start in Group 1 with 1st seed, and will pick his entire group before any other picks. Crank with a 1st place finish could be right in line also.
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On January 01 2012 09:44 Diamond wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2012 09:41 VirgilSC2 wrote:
WOW
Really excited to see the ESV Grand Prix :D
Should be some insane competition. Just curious though, do you know how you're going to handle the player list if Taeja someone breaks into the Top 4 multiple times? Yep. Actually two fold. 1: The player that qualifies multiple times is completely ignored aside for the first time they qualified for the highest seed out of the bunch. Go down the list after. This is no different then before. 2: Players that qualify for a top seed multiple times (ie: multiple 1st place finishes) will get the reward of having a completely clear group (2nd seed gets moved to the pool of selectable players) and will pick their entire group first. So for Grand Prix #1, Taeja will start in Group 1 with 1st seed, and will pick his entire group before any other picks. Crank with a 1st place finish could be right in line also.
So what happens if there is an odd number of slots? Would you have to have players play like 5-6 place matches?
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On January 01 2012 09:49 VirgilSC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2012 09:44 Diamond wrote:On January 01 2012 09:41 VirgilSC2 wrote:
WOW
Really excited to see the ESV Grand Prix :D
Should be some insane competition. Just curious though, do you know how you're going to handle the player list if Taeja someone breaks into the Top 4 multiple times? Yep. Actually two fold. 1: The player that qualifies multiple times is completely ignored aside for the first time they qualified for the highest seed out of the bunch. Go down the list after. This is no different then before. 2: Players that qualify for a top seed multiple times (ie: multiple 1st place finishes) will get the reward of having a completely clear group (2nd seed gets moved to the pool of selectable players) and will pick their entire group first. So for Grand Prix #1, Taeja will start in Group 1 with 1st seed, and will pick his entire group before any other picks. Crank with a 1st place finish could be right in line also. So what happens if there is an odd number of slots? Would you have to have players play like 5-6 place matches?
We could. However I will go through a list of things like overall win records. So far I think everything is fine, I'm actually working on the current list atm, so give me a few and you will see what's up.
Edit: Errr I was wrong about Crank in a previous post.
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Great! the korean weekly's were always fun to watch
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when does the next korean weekly start? are we gonna be starting off the year with a grand prix?
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What ever happened to the korean weekly seeding into GSL? I remember seeing an announcement about that, but I guess i didn't follow it closely enough. Is that no longer active?
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On January 01 2012 09:57 OnFiRe888 wrote:
when does the next korean weekly start? are we gonna be starting off the year with a grand prix?
First one will be kicking off 1/16.
On January 01 2012 10:01 Nick.TNA wrote:
What ever happened to the korean weekly seeding into GSL? I remember seeing an announcement about that, but I guess i didn't follow it closely enough. Is that no longer active?
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=299474#6
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On January 01 2012 10:01 Nick.TNA wrote:
What ever happened to the korean weekly seeding into GSL? I remember seeing an announcement about that, but I guess i didn't follow it closely enough. Is that no longer active?
Dude, it's like the third post in this thread -_-
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On January 01 2012 10:08 Diamond wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2012 09:57 OnFiRe888 wrote:
when does the next korean weekly start? are we gonna be starting off the year with a grand prix? First one will be kicking off 1/16. Show nested quote +On January 01 2012 10:01 Nick.TNA wrote:
What ever happened to the korean weekly seeding into GSL? I remember seeing an announcement about that, but I guess i didn't follow it closely enough. Is that no longer active? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=299474#6
My apologies, I must have missed that. I really respect what you are doing for the community, and it takes a lot of guts to build your brand without the support of the GSL code A spot. Its going to be harder, but I think you guys have a strong future with the weekly. 
Keep up the good work, I love watching the break through players in your tournys. With the larger prize pool hopefully we will see some of the higher class Code S players play more often .
You should probably edit the info about the Code A slot into the OP though. That way dumbies like me can easily find it and won't ask over and over .
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Ok so here's what the Grand Prix #1 looks like with 4 weeks to go. Note that some players could change based on how the next 4 weeks go and if certain players cannot make it:
Group Stage Part 1Group 1: SlayerS.Taeja  TBA TBA TBA Group 2: SlayerS.Crank TBA TBA TBA Group 3: MvP.GuineaPig TBA TBA TBA Group 4: TSL.Symbol TBA TBA TBA Group 5: TBA TSL.Revival TBA TBA Group 6: TBA ZeNEX.Treme TBA TBA Group 7: TBA SlayerS.CoCa (pending Cella/Jessica approval) TBA TBA Group 8: TBA NsHS.Seal TBA TBA Pool Players: NsHS.Shuttle NsHS.Hoon MvP.Vampire MvP.Monster ZeNEX.Destination MvP.Dream ZeNEX.Avenge NsHS.Sage Group Stage Part 2Seeds NsHS.Jjakji ST.Squirtle Foreign Seed #1 Foreign Seed #2
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Are you going to be taking foreign seeds who are in Korea, or just any foreign player?
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On January 01 2012 10:42 Lonyo wrote:
Are you going to be taking foreign seeds who are in Korea, or just any foreign player?
Likely only foreigners in Korea due to latency concerns and time zone differences. However if a situation comes up where the right option is in NA or EU and can overcome those factors, I would consider it.
Just to be clear though, the ones living in Korea will get priority.
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T_T I thought this would have been something worthy of community news.
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I'm wayyyy confused about the format. 36 Players, with 8 weekly winners, 2 foreign seeds, 2 previous champions...where do the other 24 players come from? How do you do dual-group format with an odd number of players per group? Are some players autoseeded into the RO8?
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The loss of the code A spot is really no big deal. With the expansion of code A to 48 players, getting to the preliminaries isn't as difficult as it used to be. fOrGG qualified for code A without playing a single notable player, for example.
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On January 01 2012 11:21 RoboBob wrote:
I'm wayyyy confused about the format. 36 Players, with 8 weekly winners, 2 foreign seeds, 2 previous champions...where do the other 24 players come from? How do you do dual-group format with an odd number of players per group? Are some players autoseeded into the RO8?
Top 4 from each week (or highest ranked).
When my production guy gets home I'll have a much nicer diagram.
Also the 4 invites (foreigner, previous champs) will seed directly into the second group stage which will be 5 person groups.
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On January 01 2012 11:21 RoboBob wrote:
I'm wayyyy confused about the format. 36 Players, with 8 weekly winners, 2 foreign seeds, 2 previous champions...where do the other 24 players come from? How do you do dual-group format with an odd number of players per group? Are some players autoseeded into the RO8?
The Top 4 of each weekly, so 3 x 8 = 24
There's your missing players
Happy to see Revival and Symbol in the first Grand Prix, hopefully Heart can qualify as well, I don't get to see enough of his play.
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Diamond, I've found that the format or brackets have been difficult to follow on a regular basis. Not only because many times all the weeklies will have a single thread, but often the brackets in the opening post are from the week prior or are not updated. I enjoy watching the games and I've enjoyed Orb's casting a ton but I feel like a dedicated format that the fans can easily follow is necessary for fans to enjoy the ESV weeklies more.
I feel like having someone dedicated to the upkeep of Liquipedia brackets with a simple link to said bracket in a new opening post each week would be superior in every way, but it doesn't seem possible, or not easy anyway, for someone to create Liquipedia brackets that are accurate and timely with the way the weekly and its challonge brackets are currently presented.
Just my two cents and you have my support either way.
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I don't really understand the format. BUT, this was awesome last time, so I have faith that this will kick butt again.
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On January 01 2012 11:40 Vehemus wrote:
Diamond, I've found that the format or brackets have been difficult to follow on a regular basis. Not only because many times all the weeklies will have a single thread, but often the brackets in the opening post are from the week prior or are not updated. I enjoy watching the games and I've enjoyed Orb's casting a ton but I feel like a dedicated format that the fans can easily follow is necessary for fans to enjoy the ESV weeklies more.
I feel like having someone dedicated to the upkeep of Liquipedia brackets with a simple link to said bracket in a new opening post each week would be superior in every way, but it doesn't seem possible, or not easy anyway, for someone to create Liquipedia brackets that are accurate and timely with the way the weekly and its challonge brackets are currently presented.
Just my two cents and you have my support either way.
Starting with the very last Weekly of the year, I've started doing weekly LR threads so it doesn't all get jumbled up in one thread like that. See here
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When does it start Daimond?
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On January 01 2012 12:03 slytown wrote:
When does it start Daimond?
On January 01 2012 10:08 Diamond wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2012 09:57 OnFiRe888 wrote:
when does the next korean weekly start? are we gonna be starting off the year with a grand prix? First one will be kicking off 1/16.
January 16th
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Ok I am heading off to a New Year's Eve party for a couple hours, I will continue on when I get back.
Will probably go till REALLY late so the EU crowd can get some questions in
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Awesome, so happy to see the Korean weekly back, bigger, badder, and better. The decision to remove the Code A slot makes sense, both to minimize players' conflict of interest (win/throw to friend/teammate), but also because the number of players entering Code A from qualifiers will be so much greater in future seasons. The larger prize pool and more inclusive finals sounds great too, particularly two round pool play, since I'm very partial to pool games. Big props to Twitch.tv for throwing their weight behind the weekly (disclaimer: I'm a Twitch employee).
Best of luck going into the New Year, Diamond!
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Sounds awesome, disappointing about code a but oh well. GL for 2012!
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Thank you for continuing these, I always tune in and watch. I especially love it because -Orb- and TaeJa are involved.
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On January 01 2012 12:39 Pugget wrote:
Awesome, so happy to see the Korean weekly back, bigger, badder, and better. The decision to remove the Code A slot makes sense, both to minimize players' conflict of interest (win/throw to friend/teammate), but also because the number of players entering Code A from qualifiers will be so much greater in future seasons. The larger prize pool and more inclusive finals sounds great too, particularly two round pool play, since I'm very partial to pool games. Big props to Twitch.tv for throwing their weight behind the weekly (disclaimer: I'm a Twitch employee).
Best of luck going into the New Year, Diamond!
Yea I am a big fan of group play, and all group play will be a round robin format all bo3.
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On January 01 2012 11:16 Diamond wrote:
T_T I thought this would have been something worthy of community news.
It should be =/, pretty big tourney I say with some great players. i'm really excited to see Crank's progress. Community news or not though, I can't see how people will not want to tune in. Certainly the majority of ESV weekly followers will follow this and the big names in this tourney are bound to attract more.
Good luck though! I hope to see this project continue to grow. Doing a great thing for the sc2 community.
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On January 01 2012 14:42 Acronysis wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2012 11:16 Diamond wrote:
T_T I thought this would have been something worthy of community news. It should be =/, pretty big tourney I say with some great players. i'm really excited to see Crank's progress. Community news or not though, I can't see how people will not want to tune in. Certainly the majority of ESV weekly followers will follow this and the big names in this tourney are bound to attract more. Good luck though! I hope to see this project continue to grow. Doing a great thing for the sc2 community.
Thank you ^^!
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cannot thank you enough for this, incredible work
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On January 01 2012 15:01 Sawofhackness wrote:
cannot thank you enough for this, incredible work
It's my pleasure
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On January 01 2012 14:40 Diamond wrote:
Yea I am a big fan of group play, and all group play will be a round robin format all bo3.
Awesome. I've been looking forward to Bo3 group play in the GSL and it's exciting to see it elsewhere too!
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On January 01 2012 11:16 Diamond wrote:
T_T I thought this would have been something worthy of community news.
Quit whining -.-
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On January 01 2012 16:06 Plexa wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2012 11:16 Diamond wrote:
T_T I thought this would have been something worthy of community news. Quit whining -.-
Oh Plexa you know it's how shit gets done :D!
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On January 01 2012 09:26 Diamond wrote:
However NASL in particular refuses to work with me on scheduling, or even talk to me about it to find a common ground so idk exactly.
This sounds extremely disappointing. I hope it's a communication issue, and not an issue with pretension or pomposity/haughtiness.
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On January 01 2012 16:12 Qaatar wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2012 09:26 Diamond wrote:
However NASL in particular refuses to work with me on scheduling, or even talk to me about it to find a common ground so idk exactly. This sounds extremely disappointing. I hope it's a communication issue, and not an issue with pretension or pomposity/haughtiness.
I have the top 2 guys of NASL on Skype, they would have no issues finding me.
It's ok though, life goes on !
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Thank you, this is my own portion of GSL-level games before I go to sleep. Please keep up the good work, I really like the analytic style of commentary and actually earned alot of respect for Orb after his performance as a caster on this show. Obviously NASL could pay him more but I think the quality of games and production (lol) puts korean weekly way ahead.
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On January 01 2012 16:25 Almetien wrote:
Thank you, this is my own portion of GSL-level games before I go to sleep. Please keep up the good work, I really like the analytic style of commentary and actually earned alot of respect for Orb after his performance as a caster on this show. Obviously NASL could pay more but the quality of games and production (lol) goes elsewhere, sorry to say.
In the end Orb would be insane not to go where the better money is. I understand completely, however he has stated he REALLY wants to keep casting this, just might become a scheduling problem.
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On January 01 2012 16:10 Diamond wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2012 16:06 Plexa wrote:On January 01 2012 11:16 Diamond wrote:
T_T I thought this would have been something worthy of community news. Quit whining -.- Oh Plexa you know it's how shit gets done :D!
Better would be a PM to a mod, no?
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On January 01 2012 16:30 Plexa wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2012 16:10 Diamond wrote:On January 01 2012 16:06 Plexa wrote:On January 01 2012 11:16 Diamond wrote:
T_T I thought this would have been something worthy of community news. Quit whining -.- Oh Plexa you know it's how shit gets done :D! Better would be a PM to a mod, no?
Oh I was joking. Didn't think it was something worth the time to PM a mod. Also last I checked it's actually impossible to see what mods are online so there's that.....
Edit: I'm to beat you to the list of solutions I would or could try, cause I know how this works.
Mods never answer me in IRC
I don't feel like PM'ing every mod on staff to see who's online, even more since I am not a mod thus I cannot send to multiple people at once
There's no way to check who's online short of stalking the closed threads section
Report is not supposed to be used to ping a mod as I was informed earlier today
Heyoka was afk (skype'd him)
Waxangel was offline on skype
Contact us is very unreliable on response times.
Really what else could I have done short of PM'ing EVERYONE, which is just silly?
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On January 01 2012 16:15 Diamond wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2012 16:12 Qaatar wrote:On January 01 2012 09:26 Diamond wrote:
However NASL in particular refuses to work with me on scheduling, or even talk to me about it to find a common ground so idk exactly. This sounds extremely disappointing. I hope it's a communication issue, and not an issue with pretension or pomposity/haughtiness. I have the top 2 guys of NASL on Skype, they would have no issues finding me. It's ok though, life goes on !
Considering it's NASL I am not surprised at all 
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How will 36 players work in a Dual Group Stage format o-o?
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On January 01 2012 16:41 Inflicted_ wrote:
How will 36 players work in a Dual Group Stage format o-o?
32 will be in round 1 (8 4 man groups). Top 2 will advance into stage two which will add the seeds in (4 5 man groups).
The tournament is sort of designed to get harder and harder as it goes on.
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My only fear is that the lack of Code A spot could discourage several top-notch koreans from participating
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On January 01 2012 16:56 Almetien wrote:My only fear is that the lack of Code A spot could discourage several top-notch koreans from participating
Most "top notch" Koreans are already Code A/S. Also if they are not they will be needing money most likely.
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On January 01 2012 16:44 Diamond wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2012 16:41 Inflicted_ wrote:
How will 36 players work in a Dual Group Stage format o-o? 32 will be in round 1 (8 4 man groups). Top 2 will advance into stage two which will add the seeds in (4 5 man groups). The tournament is sort of designed to get harder and harder as it goes on.
Will be the Ro32 group stages be a Round Robin as well or is it the same format as the GSL (Winners match, Losers match, Winner vs Loser).
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On January 01 2012 17:07 Inflicted_ wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2012 16:44 Diamond wrote:On January 01 2012 16:41 Inflicted_ wrote:
How will 36 players work in a Dual Group Stage format o-o? 32 will be in round 1 (8 4 man groups). Top 2 will advance into stage two which will add the seeds in (4 5 man groups). The tournament is sort of designed to get harder and harder as it goes on. Will be the Ro32 group stages be a Round Robin as well or is it the same format as the GSL (Winners match, Losers match, Winner vs Loser).
All round robin.
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On January 01 2012 17:14 Diamond wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2012 17:07 Inflicted_ wrote:On January 01 2012 16:44 Diamond wrote:On January 01 2012 16:41 Inflicted_ wrote:
How will 36 players work in a Dual Group Stage format o-o? 32 will be in round 1 (8 4 man groups). Top 2 will advance into stage two which will add the seeds in (4 5 man groups). The tournament is sort of designed to get harder and harder as it goes on. Will be the Ro32 group stages be a Round Robin as well or is it the same format as the GSL (Winners match, Losers match, Winner vs Loser). All round robin.
What about 'pointless games', will they be played out or just skipped? Considering you took out Code A because of the CoCa/Byun situation, I'd assume it'd be skipped so there won't be any drama.
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On January 01 2012 17:18 Inflicted_ wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2012 17:14 Diamond wrote:On January 01 2012 17:07 Inflicted_ wrote:On January 01 2012 16:44 Diamond wrote:On January 01 2012 16:41 Inflicted_ wrote:
How will 36 players work in a Dual Group Stage format o-o? 32 will be in round 1 (8 4 man groups). Top 2 will advance into stage two which will add the seeds in (4 5 man groups). The tournament is sort of designed to get harder and harder as it goes on. Will be the Ro32 group stages be a Round Robin as well or is it the same format as the GSL (Winners match, Losers match, Winner vs Loser). All round robin. What about 'pointless games', will they be played out or just skipped?
"Pointless" games will have the option to not be played (up to the players) but if the game is meaningful in ANY way (even if it does not directly effect the players of that game) it has to be played.
With a round robin format you should not have many pointless games.
Edit: It seems the boys over in LP have been hard at work.
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/ESV_TV/Grand_Prix_1
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On January 01 2012 17:20 Diamond wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2012 17:18 Inflicted_ wrote:On January 01 2012 17:14 Diamond wrote:On January 01 2012 17:07 Inflicted_ wrote:On January 01 2012 16:44 Diamond wrote:On January 01 2012 16:41 Inflicted_ wrote:
How will 36 players work in a Dual Group Stage format o-o? 32 will be in round 1 (8 4 man groups). Top 2 will advance into stage two which will add the seeds in (4 5 man groups). The tournament is sort of designed to get harder and harder as it goes on. Will be the Ro32 group stages be a Round Robin as well or is it the same format as the GSL (Winners match, Losers match, Winner vs Loser). All round robin. What about 'pointless games', will they be played out or just skipped? "Pointless" games will have the option to not be played (up to the players) but if the game is meaningful in ANY way (even if it does not directly effect the players of that game) it has to be played. With a round robin format you should not have many pointless games. Edit: It seems the boys over in LP have been hard at work. http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/ESV_TV/Grand_Prix_1
That was all me, it's why I've been asking about the format 
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On January 01 2012 17:25 Inflicted_ wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2012 17:20 Diamond wrote:On January 01 2012 17:18 Inflicted_ wrote:On January 01 2012 17:14 Diamond wrote:On January 01 2012 17:07 Inflicted_ wrote:On January 01 2012 16:44 Diamond wrote:On January 01 2012 16:41 Inflicted_ wrote:
How will 36 players work in a Dual Group Stage format o-o? 32 will be in round 1 (8 4 man groups). Top 2 will advance into stage two which will add the seeds in (4 5 man groups). The tournament is sort of designed to get harder and harder as it goes on. Will be the Ro32 group stages be a Round Robin as well or is it the same format as the GSL (Winners match, Losers match, Winner vs Loser). All round robin. What about 'pointless games', will they be played out or just skipped? "Pointless" games will have the option to not be played (up to the players) but if the game is meaningful in ANY way (even if it does not directly effect the players of that game) it has to be played. With a round robin format you should not have many pointless games. Edit: It seems the boys over in LP have been hard at work. http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/ESV_TV/Grand_Prix_1 That was all me, it's why I've been asking about the format
Thank you very much ^^!
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Sucks about the removal of Code A slot, but the higher prize pool totally makes up for it. Good luck ESV and Diamond! :D
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I don't get credit for the creation of the page ?
Just kidding, happy to hear there are bigger events planned. Good luck to all future participants!
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On January 01 2012 17:42 blahz0r wrote:I don't get credit for the creation of the page ? Just kidding, happy to hear there are bigger events planned. Good luck to all future participants!
We all <3 you blahz0r!
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diamond, why are you so cool?
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On January 01 2012 18:01 OnFiRe888 wrote:
diamond, why are you so cool?
Because Michigan is cold as shit right now.
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On January 01 2012 18:04 Diamond wrote:Because Michigan is cold as shit right now.
lol
Just to keep you company:
What do you think of the KSL? Do you think it will become a rival to the korean weekly in terms of "another korean tournament"? I'm just interested in what you think about it and how do you compare it to the korean weekly.
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On January 01 2012 18:09 OnFiRe888 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2012 18:04 Diamond wrote:On January 01 2012 18:01 OnFiRe888 wrote:
diamond, why are you so cool? Because Michigan is cold as shit right now. lol Just to keep you company: What do you think of the KSL? Do you think it will become a rival to the korean weekly in terms of "another korean tournament"? I'm just interested in what you think about it and how do you compare it to the korean weekly.
Honestly have not watched it. My normal sleep schedule is 7AM-1PM EST which makes it unwatchable to me. Might check out some VOD's. Seems like a good thing going on.
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I hope Orb casts it. He is by far the best Korean Weekly caster, imo.
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On January 01 2012 18:09 OnFiRe888 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2012 18:04 Diamond wrote:On January 01 2012 18:01 OnFiRe888 wrote:
diamond, why are you so cool? Because Michigan is cold as shit right now. lol Just to keep you company: What do you think of the KSL? Do you think it will become a rival to the korean weekly in terms of "another korean tournament"? I'm just interested in what you think about it and how do you compare it to the korean weekly.
As someone who watches every single KSL and Korean Weekly, as of right now the two tournaments are really only rivals in the sense that one is backed by Twitch and the other by own3d. They're currently occupying two separate niches, however I could really see both of them evolving to the point where they would be occupying the same niches (especially with the growth both have shown pretty rapidly).
However, what I really like about them both is that they provide more tournaments from Korea outside the GSL. In what I think is a really classy move by own3d as well, they don't broadcast anywhere near the same time as the Korean Weekly, instead seemingly targeting the European audience I believe (even though this means I have to be up at 8 am to watch it -_-)
Having the pleasure of speaking with Diamond on a sporadic basis, and talking to Reis over at the KSL very frequently I can confidently say that they're both really working hard to bring you guys great Korean content on a frequent basis.
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Sounds good to me. Very wise move taking away the code A spot IMO, and the tournament could become even more interesting in the future if a spot in a foreign tournament were to become available.
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Sounds great. I'll be watching! :D
Edit: And I think the possible addition of a seed to a foreign tournament like DH is a great idea, since (from what I've read in interviews and stuff) a lot of Koreans want the chance to participate in tournaments outside Korea.
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make it like facebook, give the players the option to tell you that they don't want to have their replays published if they sign in. Only the ones that care should say no and filtering should be easy by names of the replays then. Could still leave the 45 days rule in as well.
But i don't mind so much, you guys do a great job at organizing so i am sure you will find the best solution.
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Removal of code A spot is like punishing everyone for players who have already been punished. Code A slot is just a prize and there is incentive to throw matches for that as with any prize pool in any tournament. I am dumbstruck that you did this to your tournament. Do you still expect all of these professionals to be as interested in this tournament without what most of them were probably playing in it for? Even I as a viewer am much less interested in this tournament as it just lost so much prestige and known purpose for what these players are battling for. A GSL spot is a big deal and it adds tons of excitement and integrity to what I'm watching to know that they are struggling for exactly what many of these players spend their professional lives struggling for as it is; all of their time as a pro player in korea toward a GSL slot. I know how serious they are about that. And I know that it isn't anything like how serious they will be about what's left here, now.
It's also a disservice to the players to go from offering GSL entry to simply not. That really means a lot to them. Just think about how happy is the young Korean pro who gets into the GSL for the first time.
This is not a decision of great reasoning by any stretch that I can see or conjure, but of fear, being handled with an axe where a scalpel was already used to perfect effect (CoCa's punishment.)
You have got to put the Code A spot back in dude! WTH!
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On January 01 2012 22:48 ToD wrote:
wow, can i play ? ^^
Shhh ToD you're making me look stupid now xD <3
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I actually like the removal of the Code A spot. I'm a big fan of the whole qualifier thing with the area packed full of nerds ready to bust their arses to get into Code A. To me that's ESPORTS right there. Earning a spot from anything else feels like they backdoored their way into GSL.
Looking forward to this. i hope i can catch it. Stupid time zones -_-
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Looking forward to it.
Community maps played by koreans <3.
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On January 01 2012 21:55 Lumi wrote:
Removal of code A spot is like punishing everyone for players who have already been punished. Code A slot is just a prize and there is incentive to throw matches for that as with any prize pool in any tournament. I am dumbstruck that you did this to your tournament. Do you still expect all of these professionals to be as interested in this tournament without what most of them were probably playing in it for? Even I as a viewer am much less interested in this tournament as it just lost so much prestige and known purpose for what these players are battling for. A GSL spot is a big deal and it adds tons of excitement and integrity to what I'm watching to know that they are struggling for exactly what many of these players spend their professional lives struggling for as it is; all of their time as a pro player in korea toward a GSL slot. I know how serious they are about that. And I know that it isn't anything like how serious they will be about what's left here, now.
It's also a disservice to the players to go from offering GSL entry to simply not. That really means a lot to them. Just think about how happy is the young Korean pro who gets into the GSL for the first time.
This is not a decision of great reasoning by any stretch that I can see or conjure, but of fear, being handled with an axe where a scalpel was already used to perfect effect (CoCa's punishment.)
You have got to put the Code A spot back in dude! WTH!
But wouldn't you prefer a spot to dreamhack or mlg over a code A spot? In terms of monetary value and exposure value, going to dreamhack or mlg for a korean is a much better deal i say. Cause right now, to go to foreign tournaments, if you have to be pretty high up in your team ranks to be sent anywhere, and not even all teams do that.
Also, we all know the korean skill level is above the foreigners, think of the better chance they have at dreamhack. So if they end up going farther, they'll get much more exposure and possibly more money.
If something like that could be pulled together by Diamond, the ESV will be the tournament to be at .
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On January 01 2012 23:23 Acronysis wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2012 21:55 Lumi wrote:
Removal of code A spot is like punishing everyone for players who have already been punished. Code A slot is just a prize and there is incentive to throw matches for that as with any prize pool in any tournament. I am dumbstruck that you did this to your tournament. Do you still expect all of these professionals to be as interested in this tournament without what most of them were probably playing in it for? Even I as a viewer am much less interested in this tournament as it just lost so much prestige and known purpose for what these players are battling for. A GSL spot is a big deal and it adds tons of excitement and integrity to what I'm watching to know that they are struggling for exactly what many of these players spend their professional lives struggling for as it is; all of their time as a pro player in korea toward a GSL slot. I know how serious they are about that. And I know that it isn't anything like how serious they will be about what's left here, now.
It's also a disservice to the players to go from offering GSL entry to simply not. That really means a lot to them. Just think about how happy is the young Korean pro who gets into the GSL for the first time.
This is not a decision of great reasoning by any stretch that I can see or conjure, but of fear, being handled with an axe where a scalpel was already used to perfect effect (CoCa's punishment.)
You have got to put the Code A spot back in dude! WTH! But wouldn't you prefer a spot to dreamhack or mlg over a code A spot? In terms of monetary value and exposure value, going to dreamhack or mlg for a korean is a much better deal i say. Cause right now, to go to foreign tournaments, if you have to be pretty high up in your team ranks to be sent anywhere, and not even all teams do that. Also, we all know the korean skill level is above the foreigners, think of the better chance they have at dreamhack. So if they end up going farther, they'll get much more exposure and possibly more money. If something like that could be pulled together by Diamond, the ESV will be the tournament to be at .
A lot of the problem isn't Korean players being unable to attend foreign events due to lack of opportunity. It comes down to the cost of sending players to foreign events for the Korean teams.
With more Korean teams catching on to streaming and foreign events as huge ways to get fans and whatnot, I'm hoping (and in some ways expecting) to see teams have one or two players marked as their foreign attendees (or do how FXO does and work on a rotation).
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I love these tournaments! Getting to see Koreans who we don't normally see is always awesome. Keep up the great work! :D
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Hope Orb is interested in casting too.
He has to be one of my favorite "serious" casters.
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My biggest problem with the weeklies is simply the lack of code s players participating. While its good to see new faces its really hard to build stories, rivalries.. Also you cant really be emotionally invested in players you do not know. I think thats the biggest hurdle Korean Weekies have to face in order to achieve massive growth.
I would prefer a format where you invite current code s players to face off against new talent.
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Well even without Code A, its always nice to have another Korean tournament there to watch out for emergent talent
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On January 02 2012 02:28 careohx wrote:
My biggest problem with the weeklies is simply the lack of code s players participating. While its good to see new faces its really hard to build stories, rivalries.. Also you cant really be emotionally invested in players you do not know. I think thats the biggest hurdle Korean Weekies have to face in order to achieve massive growth.
I would prefer a format where you invite current code s players to face off against new talent.
We would love to have all the Code S players play in the weekly if we could. We hope that with the increased prize pool more and more Code S players will find that playing in the Weeklies is worth the time. That what it normally comes down to in a player's mind is the time worth the money they could win.
On January 01 2012 22:48 ToD wrote:
wow, can i play ? ^^
Yes, Yes you can
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Lookin' good. Teaja Time baby!
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On January 01 2012 21:55 Lumi wrote:
Removal of code A spot is like punishing everyone for players who have already been punished. Code A slot is just a prize and there is incentive to throw matches for that as with any prize pool in any tournament. I am dumbstruck that you did this to your tournament. Do you still expect all of these professionals to be as interested in this tournament without what most of them were probably playing in it for? Even I as a viewer am much less interested in this tournament as it just lost so much prestige and known purpose for what these players are battling for. A GSL spot is a big deal and it adds tons of excitement and integrity to what I'm watching to know that they are struggling for exactly what many of these players spend their professional lives struggling for as it is; all of their time as a pro player in korea toward a GSL slot. I know how serious they are about that. And I know that it isn't anything like how serious they will be about what's left here, now.
It's also a disservice to the players to go from offering GSL entry to simply not. That really means a lot to them. Just think about how happy is the young Korean pro who gets into the GSL for the first time.
This is not a decision of great reasoning by any stretch that I can see or conjure, but of fear, being handled with an axe where a scalpel was already used to perfect effect (CoCa's punishment.)
You have got to put the Code A spot back in dude! WTH!
I don't see it being that huge a deal, and now there is MORE incentive for Code A/S players to play. Like it or not the more Code A/S players the better the ratings (as well as a higher overall game quality).
But most importantly for the same reason the GSL needed to cut out "pointless" games even after Naniwa was punished, if you leave a system that is abusable it will be abused. To prevent the abuse you must take out the things that can be abused.
Further more for most players, getting into a foreign event being unknown is impossible, where you can go and try the Code A qualifiers every month.
Edit: Also actually foreign event invites should be more appealing for foreigners also (sans Jinro) since GOM TV gives ever foreigner and their brother Code A the second they touch down in Korea.
On January 01 2012 22:48 ToD wrote:
wow, can i play ? ^^
Absolutely! Just PM me on here for info, or DesRow has my Skype and such, feel free to get it from him.
On January 02 2012 02:28 careohx wrote:
My biggest problem with the weeklies is simply the lack of code s players participating. While its good to see new faces its really hard to build stories, rivalries.. Also you cant really be emotionally invested in players you do not know. I think thats the biggest hurdle Korean Weekies have to face in order to achieve massive growth.
I would prefer a format where you invite current code s players to face off against new talent.
The hope is the much increased prize pool will draw more Code S players in. However I would disagree, you will find many a person that is pretty invested in Taeja's dominance in this tourney for one example.
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Korean Weekly has always been one of my favorite tournament to follow. Keep up the great work guys.
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It seems like the best way to avoid another byun/coca incedent!
2012 is gonna be awesome! :D
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The players who usually win these events are good enough to earn Code A on their own (if they can avoid a little bad luck in the qualifiers). Having a Code A prize is a little redundant when the level of competition in these events is higher than the qualifiers, in my opinion. Giving more cash or paid trips to foreign events avoids the pointless games and if anything I think more Code S and Code A players would want to play.
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Hmm... if you still want to do something with GSL why not think about some sort of buy in system with regards to code A quals? Maybe a grand prix winner gets to skip the first round of the code A quals or is seeded into top 64/32? Though since the way the GSL works with longer seasons now perhaps a round robin with the 3 winners of 3 months (before code A quals) winner gets seed. Not a huge prize but a nice bonus to those who aren't in the GSL? Not big enough to give up 2k for but just enough to motivate the non GSL players a little bit.
Would also help to remove the bad luck many of the solid players face in the single elim or early portion of the code A quals.
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On January 01 2012 11:16 Diamond wrote:
T_T I thought this would have been something worthy of community news.
Happy now? :D
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On January 02 2012 12:34 red4ce wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2012 11:16 Diamond wrote:
T_T I thought this would have been something worthy of community news. Happy now? :D
Very much so.
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I hope TaeJa keeps dominating this
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On January 02 2012 17:22 Aserrin wrote:
I hope TaeJa keeps dominating this
I talked to him and he's excited to play again!
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Hey Pat, you're a God. That is all. <3
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Nice, I can't wait for ESVtv to come back online, it's my favorite weekly tournament by far. Keep up the good work!
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always tuned in before going to bed.
great to hear you guys are coming back and with a bigger prize as well (:
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This sounds absolutely brilliant! I can't wait till the Korean Weekly returns. I miss TaeJa and orb. T_T
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When will you change the name into Taeja Grand Prix?
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On January 04 2012 21:45 Superouman wrote:
When will you change the name into Taeja Grand Prix?
We all know the true name of this event !
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Anneong! they should also host a korean -idol starcraft 2 competition, i heard Dongwoon loves startcraft.
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On January 05 2012 18:40 Diamond wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2012 21:45 Superouman wrote:
When will you change the name into Taeja Grand Prix? We all know the true name of this event !
What the SNSD Gee Gee weekly?
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miss coca so much... a shame he cant even participate this event after such a long period....
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