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On December 31 2011 06:46 Angelbelow wrote:Show nested quote +On December 31 2011 06:45 Phobbers wrote:On December 31 2011 06:41 Lobotomist wrote:
I guess the big question is where he'll train. the teamless Koreans that get picked up by foreign teams often seem sorta like the lone wolf types who are breaking out of the Korean team house system. Seems somewhat unlikely that he'll be in the slayers house. How long are huk and Idra going to be there? I think Idra is only staying there for another month or so, I believe he mentioned that in one of the numerous interviews he got when the news came out, but I wouldn't quote me on that. HuK tends to enjoy the Korean practice regimen by the looks of it, so he might stay there for quite some time. Also, I don't think JYP leaving TSL was because of his dislike of the gaming house idea, but once again, I'm just guessing here. He mentions that he wants to stay for at least 3 months and then hes going to feel out MLG/IPL's schedule. ah, ok. I remembered Idra saying that he was going to be in the slayers house for a couple months, I guess I assumed eg was getting their own house or they were all moving somewhere else. I suppose jyp probably will be in the slayers house.g. Good luck to him
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Personaly I thought of SangHo (Killer) rather than JYP joining EG of the two, but still a great adition to EG's roster! Congratulations to both sides and I can't wait to see JYP in HomeStory Cup IV!!
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Not an EG fan, but I do like JYP. I guess it's just another instance of liking the player, disliking the team (also a fan of HuK and IdrA).
As much as I dislike PuMa's TvP, it appears to be pretty damn strong, so hopefully he can improve JYP's PvT from being crap (he's currently on a 14-loss PvT loss streak)
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On December 31 2011 05:30 GleaM wrote:
xDxDxD <3 EG <3 JYP <3 macro Protoss <3 this move!!!
So let's see... in a Korean style all-kill format...
HuK
DeMusliM
IdrA
JYP
PuMa...
You scared? I am.
The only players there that are considered "scary" in the korean scene, are Puma and JYP, although theyve never done well in any top Korean tournaments, theyre still good players. Can they all kill a Korean team though? No. They're no Dongraegu.
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Wow, if EG's entire A-team stay in Korea they'd be a solid team in the GSTL lolo let's see how the new pickup does in Code S ^_^
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On December 31 2011 06:48 Canucklehead wrote:Show nested quote +On December 31 2011 06:38 Phobbers wrote:On December 31 2011 06:30 hyptonic wrote:On December 31 2011 06:21 Phobbers wrote:On December 31 2011 06:20 hyptonic wrote:On December 31 2011 06:11 Phobbers wrote:On December 31 2011 06:07 VirgilSC2 wrote:On December 31 2011 06:06 Phobbers wrote:On December 31 2011 06:03 THM wrote:On December 31 2011 05:40 itiswhatitis wrote:
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So much falsehood it makes my brain hurt. Watch Demuslim's stream sometime, just because you don't know he's a great player doesn't mean he isn't. And HuK & Idra are 2 of the few foreigners to ever be in Code S, it's a very small club. Saying they are "mediocre" is pretty ignorant and silly. I actually completely agree with the guy that said Idra and Huk are mediocre by Korean standards. Get your definitions straight. They key here is "in Korea" or by korean standards. If they're not mediocre, what are they? Are they on the level of top korean pros, such as MVP, Nestea, MMA, MC, Leenock, DRG and Foxer? Or maybe you call top level all of the players in the GSL? Because I don't. I call the best players in the GSL top players, the medium level mediocre players, and the lower level low level. I don't think anyone but their biggest and most blind fans would say that they are on the level of top korean pros (my definition), as they clearly are not. Their results are also such of typical mediocre korean pros - What does Idra have accomplished in the Korean scene? One Ro8 a long time ago is the best I can think of. And Huk? A Ro8 again, plus a few of seasons in which he did not fall off of Code S. Clide didn't fall out of Code S for many many seasons, is he a top korean pro? I don't think so. You can call Huk consistent in GSL, but you cannot call him anything more than a mediocre performer by korean standards. Sure, if you look at them by foreign standards, they are at the top. But korean standards is way different. You still consider MKP a top Korean pro? Uhhh.....why wouldn't you? As of late? I would not couple him with names like MMA MVP DRG. He is an amazing player yes, but he has been kinda "eh" these days. Well I guess being #2 on Korean GM with a 80% win rate over 350 games means nothing then. Ladder ≠ Lan, next please? If we're talking about recent LANs....he took 2nd place at WCG Korea losing to MVP 1-2 in the finals. Since September he is 24-8 in LAN matches... September is quite some time ago sir. Notice how I said "as of late", I myself am a MKP fan and he is a fantastic player. But I would say with how things are going recently, he is not a tip top pro with the likes of MVP and MMA. His recent Code S runs have been eh, and his performances at the last two MLGs were bleh. His code s runs have sucked true, but don't know how you can say that about his mlg ones. Orlando, he made it through open bracket and then won his group and finished 5th or 6th. Providence, mkp lost to sc, but then beasted his way through the losers bracket beating sc in an extended series rematch and then eventually falling to mvp, who he never beats. His record at orlando was 16-8 and his record at providence was 20-6. As mkp's number 1 fanboy, I wouldn't call him top tier because his TvT is awful, but he's above mediocre too.
We agree slightly more than you think. I don't consider him top tier anymore, but he is indeed a step above mediocre, I would never call him that. I still view him to be the best bio player around town. His micro is still scary.
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On December 31 2011 07:04 Scrubby-onE wrote:Show nested quote +On December 31 2011 05:30 GleaM wrote:
xDxDxD <3 EG <3 JYP <3 macro Protoss <3 this move!!!
So let's see... in a Korean style all-kill format...
HuK
DeMusliM
IdrA
JYP
PuMa...
You scared? I am. The only players there that are considered "scary" in the korean scene, are Puma and JYP, although theyve never done well in any top Korean tournaments, theyre still good players. Can they all kill a Korean team though? No. They're no Dongraegu.
PuMa hasnt done much in the Korean scene.. hard to argue against that. But he did have an all-kill once in the GSTL. PuMa will be putting more effort into competing in the GSL (hes only tried to qualify once before this) so we'll see if he can make it through the qualifiers and get code A.
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wow gratz EG, nice pickup 
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On December 31 2011 07:06 Phobbers wrote:Show nested quote +On December 31 2011 06:48 Canucklehead wrote:On December 31 2011 06:38 Phobbers wrote:On December 31 2011 06:30 hyptonic wrote:On December 31 2011 06:21 Phobbers wrote:On December 31 2011 06:20 hyptonic wrote:On December 31 2011 06:11 Phobbers wrote:On December 31 2011 06:07 VirgilSC2 wrote:On December 31 2011 06:06 Phobbers wrote:On December 31 2011 06:03 THM wrote:
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I actually completely agree with the guy that said Idra and Huk are mediocre by Korean standards. Get your definitions straight. They key here is "in Korea" or by korean standards. If they're not mediocre, what are they? Are they on the level of top korean pros, such as MVP, Nestea, MMA, MC, Leenock, DRG and Foxer? Or maybe you call top level all of the players in the GSL? Because I don't. I call the best players in the GSL top players, the medium level mediocre players, and the lower level low level.
I don't think anyone but their biggest and most blind fans would say that they are on the level of top korean pros (my definition), as they clearly are not.
Their results are also such of typical mediocre korean pros - What does Idra have accomplished in the Korean scene? One Ro8 a long time ago is the best I can think of. And Huk? A Ro8 again, plus a few of seasons in which he did not fall off of Code S. Clide didn't fall out of Code S for many many seasons, is he a top korean pro? I don't think so.
You can call Huk consistent in GSL, but you cannot call him anything more than a mediocre performer by korean standards.
Sure, if you look at them by foreign standards, they are at the top. But korean standards is way different.
You still consider MKP a top Korean pro? Uhhh.....why wouldn't you? As of late? I would not couple him with names like MMA MVP DRG. He is an amazing player yes, but he has been kinda "eh" these days. Well I guess being #2 on Korean GM with a 80% win rate over 350 games means nothing then. Ladder ≠ Lan, next please? If we're talking about recent LANs....he took 2nd place at WCG Korea losing to MVP 1-2 in the finals. Since September he is 24-8 in LAN matches... September is quite some time ago sir. Notice how I said "as of late", I myself am a MKP fan and he is a fantastic player. But I would say with how things are going recently, he is not a tip top pro with the likes of MVP and MMA. His recent Code S runs have been eh, and his performances at the last two MLGs were bleh. His code s runs have sucked true, but don't know how you can say that about his mlg ones. Orlando, he made it through open bracket and then won his group and finished 5th or 6th. Providence, mkp lost to sc, but then beasted his way through the losers bracket beating sc in an extended series rematch and then eventually falling to mvp, who he never beats. His record at orlando was 16-8 and his record at providence was 20-6. As mkp's number 1 fanboy, I wouldn't call him top tier because his TvT is awful, but he's above mediocre too. We agree slightly more than you think. I don't consider him top tier anymore, but he is indeed a step above mediocre, I would never call him that. I still view him to be the best bio player around town. His micro is still scary.
I'd say MMA has proven he's better than MKP when it comes to Bio. Especially in TvT, nobody can match up to his Bio TvT. And I think he's shown he can do mech TvT as well.
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EG = Yankees..... Buy all the best players, lose the world series. GG
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On December 31 2011 07:06 Phobbers wrote:Show nested quote +On December 31 2011 06:48 Canucklehead wrote:On December 31 2011 06:38 Phobbers wrote:On December 31 2011 06:30 hyptonic wrote:On December 31 2011 06:21 Phobbers wrote:On December 31 2011 06:20 hyptonic wrote:On December 31 2011 06:11 Phobbers wrote:On December 31 2011 06:07 VirgilSC2 wrote:On December 31 2011 06:06 Phobbers wrote:On December 31 2011 06:03 THM wrote:
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I actually completely agree with the guy that said Idra and Huk are mediocre by Korean standards. Get your definitions straight. They key here is "in Korea" or by korean standards. If they're not mediocre, what are they? Are they on the level of top korean pros, such as MVP, Nestea, MMA, MC, Leenock, DRG and Foxer? Or maybe you call top level all of the players in the GSL? Because I don't. I call the best players in the GSL top players, the medium level mediocre players, and the lower level low level.
I don't think anyone but their biggest and most blind fans would say that they are on the level of top korean pros (my definition), as they clearly are not.
Their results are also such of typical mediocre korean pros - What does Idra have accomplished in the Korean scene? One Ro8 a long time ago is the best I can think of. And Huk? A Ro8 again, plus a few of seasons in which he did not fall off of Code S. Clide didn't fall out of Code S for many many seasons, is he a top korean pro? I don't think so.
You can call Huk consistent in GSL, but you cannot call him anything more than a mediocre performer by korean standards.
Sure, if you look at them by foreign standards, they are at the top. But korean standards is way different.
You still consider MKP a top Korean pro? Uhhh.....why wouldn't you? As of late? I would not couple him with names like MMA MVP DRG. He is an amazing player yes, but he has been kinda "eh" these days. Well I guess being #2 on Korean GM with a 80% win rate over 350 games means nothing then. Ladder ≠ Lan, next please? If we're talking about recent LANs....he took 2nd place at WCG Korea losing to MVP 1-2 in the finals. Since September he is 24-8 in LAN matches... September is quite some time ago sir. Notice how I said "as of late", I myself am a MKP fan and he is a fantastic player. But I would say with how things are going recently, he is not a tip top pro with the likes of MVP and MMA. His recent Code S runs have been eh, and his performances at the last two MLGs were bleh. His code s runs have sucked true, but don't know how you can say that about his mlg ones. Orlando, he made it through open bracket and then won his group and finished 5th or 6th. Providence, mkp lost to sc, but then beasted his way through the losers bracket beating sc in an extended series rematch and then eventually falling to mvp, who he never beats. His record at orlando was 16-8 and his record at providence was 20-6. As mkp's number 1 fanboy, I wouldn't call him top tier because his TvT is awful, but he's above mediocre too. We agree slightly more than you think. I don't consider him top tier anymore, but he is indeed a step above mediocre, I would never call him that. I still view him to be the best bio player around town. His micro is still scary.
If he improved his decision making and macro he could easily get back near the top. His micro is just so good it bails him out of some really stupid engagements.
Good luck to EG and JYP. Can't wait to see him at Homestory Cup
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On December 31 2011 07:13 dabom88 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 31 2011 07:06 Phobbers wrote:On December 31 2011 06:48 Canucklehead wrote:On December 31 2011 06:38 Phobbers wrote:On December 31 2011 06:30 hyptonic wrote:On December 31 2011 06:21 Phobbers wrote:On December 31 2011 06:20 hyptonic wrote:On December 31 2011 06:11 Phobbers wrote:On December 31 2011 06:07 VirgilSC2 wrote:On December 31 2011 06:06 Phobbers wrote:
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You still consider MKP a top Korean pro? Uhhh.....why wouldn't you? As of late? I would not couple him with names like MMA MVP DRG. He is an amazing player yes, but he has been kinda "eh" these days. Well I guess being #2 on Korean GM with a 80% win rate over 350 games means nothing then. Ladder ≠ Lan, next please? If we're talking about recent LANs....he took 2nd place at WCG Korea losing to MVP 1-2 in the finals. Since September he is 24-8 in LAN matches... September is quite some time ago sir. Notice how I said "as of late", I myself am a MKP fan and he is a fantastic player. But I would say with how things are going recently, he is not a tip top pro with the likes of MVP and MMA. His recent Code S runs have been eh, and his performances at the last two MLGs were bleh. His code s runs have sucked true, but don't know how you can say that about his mlg ones. Orlando, he made it through open bracket and then won his group and finished 5th or 6th. Providence, mkp lost to sc, but then beasted his way through the losers bracket beating sc in an extended series rematch and then eventually falling to mvp, who he never beats. His record at orlando was 16-8 and his record at providence was 20-6. As mkp's number 1 fanboy, I wouldn't call him top tier because his TvT is awful, but he's above mediocre too. We agree slightly more than you think. I don't consider him top tier anymore, but he is indeed a step above mediocre, I would never call him that. I still view him to be the best bio player around town. His micro is still scary. I'd say MMA has proven he's better than MKP when it comes to Bio. Especially in TvT, nobody can match up to him.
You forgot Polt
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On December 31 2011 05:30 DKR wrote:http://www.myeg.net/newyear/ I like the photoshop of his head onto an EG players body the most about this announcement
Agree
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On December 31 2011 07:04 Scrubby-onE wrote:Show nested quote +On December 31 2011 05:30 GleaM wrote:
xDxDxD <3 EG <3 JYP <3 macro Protoss <3 this move!!!
So let's see... in a Korean style all-kill format...
HuK
DeMusliM
IdrA
JYP
PuMa...
You scared? I am. The only players there that are considered "scary" in the korean scene, are Puma and JYP, although theyve never done well in any top Korean tournaments, theyre still good players. Can they all kill a Korean team though? No. They're no Dongraegu.
Pretty sure Korean players fear Idra the mos out of that group. They think very highly of him. MKP and Puma are both on record saying he is the scariest Zerg out there, even more so than any Korean.
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What are the rules for teams to compete in the GSTL?
As far as i can tell from liquipedia they all use a bo9 format meaning you'll need 5 players minimum...
Once DeMusliM haeds out for his Code A Up/Downs you'll have the following EG players in Korea....
HuK
IdrA
PuMa
JYP
DeMusliM
Clearly NOT ideal to ONLY have five but... promise?
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On December 31 2011 07:15 Shellshock1122 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 31 2011 07:13 dabom88 wrote:On December 31 2011 07:06 Phobbers wrote:On December 31 2011 06:48 Canucklehead wrote:On December 31 2011 06:38 Phobbers wrote:On December 31 2011 06:30 hyptonic wrote:On December 31 2011 06:21 Phobbers wrote:On December 31 2011 06:20 hyptonic wrote:On December 31 2011 06:11 Phobbers wrote:On December 31 2011 06:07 VirgilSC2 wrote:
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Uhhh.....why wouldn't you?
As of late? I would not couple him with names like MMA MVP DRG. He is an amazing player yes, but he has been kinda "eh" these days. Well I guess being #2 on Korean GM with a 80% win rate over 350 games means nothing then. Ladder ≠ Lan, next please? If we're talking about recent LANs....he took 2nd place at WCG Korea losing to MVP 1-2 in the finals. Since September he is 24-8 in LAN matches... September is quite some time ago sir. Notice how I said "as of late", I myself am a MKP fan and he is a fantastic player. But I would say with how things are going recently, he is not a tip top pro with the likes of MVP and MMA. His recent Code S runs have been eh, and his performances at the last two MLGs were bleh. His code s runs have sucked true, but don't know how you can say that about his mlg ones. Orlando, he made it through open bracket and then won his group and finished 5th or 6th. Providence, mkp lost to sc, but then beasted his way through the losers bracket beating sc in an extended series rematch and then eventually falling to mvp, who he never beats. His record at orlando was 16-8 and his record at providence was 20-6. As mkp's number 1 fanboy, I wouldn't call him top tier because his TvT is awful, but he's above mediocre too. We agree slightly more than you think. I don't consider him top tier anymore, but he is indeed a step above mediocre, I would never call him that. I still view him to be the best bio player around town. His micro is still scary. I'd say MMA has proven he's better than MKP when it comes to Bio. Especially in TvT, nobody can match up to him. You forgot Polt
Polt's results have been worse than MMA's for months.
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pf EG
really disappointed
they dont even try to be the best foreigner team anymore
mouz wins without competition now i guess (maybe empire)
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On December 31 2011 07:13 Symbiote wrote:
EG = Yankees..... Buy all the best players, lose the world series. GG
The Yankees have won 27 world series. That is more than double of any team... Results are what defines a team and discrediting them because they can afford better players is not right. However, the salary system which the MLG works off of can be a bit sketchy. However, Sc2 teams don't have any laws, so let the best team win.
I see EG dominating the sc2 scene in the upcoming year. People who discredit them because they "bought" players are just jealous that their favorite team cannot afford to buy good players.
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EPT
