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On December 31 2011 13:31 sevhil wrote:
Why does this board go all bizzaro world when it comes to Idra?
Lets start with Lucky, he earned his spot for Code S, by beating the likes of Huk, Monster and Alicia.
MVP and Nestea can play on a level that only MMA can seem to equal at times. If Nestea is on a slump, well he is still better than the rest.
Now Idra, he isn't Code S material, not in the sense that he earned a spot to be either, either through a foreign tournament or getting through Code A. Idra will most likely end up dead last in his group, hasn't been in Korea long enough and his opponents (yes, even Lucky) are superior players.
It's because he's a foreigner. And he also happens to have a rabid fanbase. All of this gets in the way of rationality.
I haven't seen him on a tough competitive scene for a long time so I won't say he's got absolutely 0% chance. He's probably got less than 5% chance though.
NesTea won't lose to Idra in his star matchup, and we all know what MVP does to zergs. I don't know about Lucky, but reaching code S through regular conduit is no easy task at all.
Idra has a tough group, and IMO the only real doubt is whether he's gonna be 3rd or last.
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On December 31 2011 11:36 ]343[ wrote:
lol why are Terrans red and Zergs blue... D:
edit: rofl and Inca is red
All the evil are red, so Terrans and DT'ers 
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Groups look interesting, been liking keen more and more these days. Looks like hell get out of his group...
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On December 31 2011 13:34 Talack wrote:Show nested quote +On December 31 2011 13:30 iky43210 wrote:On December 31 2011 10:43 Vindicare605 wrote:On December 31 2011 10:12 Uhh Negative wrote:On December 31 2011 09:41 Vindicare605 wrote:
Holy shit groups B and C.
CAnt decide which is worse. I'd say C by far. Nestea and MVP alone make it a scary group no matter who else is in it. B is no joke though. The way things have looked lately, I'd say Leenock + Fin = MVP + Nestea. The determining factor really is the other players in each group, and even then things still look pretty even. forGG hadn't done ANYTHING at all. It amuses me people are praising him as god and gives him as much credit as what MVP has achieved. To be honest saying that after an INCREDIBLY short training period he put on a clinic of demolishing 1) a gsl super tournament winner (polt) and 2) a GSL season runner up and former BW champion (july) and 3) demolishing an up and comming protoss hero (oz? can't remember who it was). all in incredibly short and precise manners. Like he didn't just beat polt/july to, he embarassed them and made it look like they had just gotten into code a for the first time. To say this is all nothing at all is incredibly ignorant. He deserves alot of his hype, to say he'll be champion right away isn't exactly correct but he will win a GSL in 2012 guarenteed.
Where did you hear incredibly short training period? I'm pretty sure Artosis said that was a rumour and hes actually been mass playing for 8 months, as in MORE than the average Korean SC2 progamer.
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Group A, B,C are so fucking siiiiiiiiick it's not even funny.
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I don't see why people are making a huge deal about Idra's group relative to Sen's. Yeah, Idra's group is bad, but Sen's group has jjakji and Ganzi, both of whom in my opinion have been looking a lot stronger than Nestea lately. Both Idra and Sen are going to have their work cut out for them.
Edit: Looking back at the groups I gotta say groups B and F also look ridiculously scary.
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On December 31 2011 14:27 Kryptic.610 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 31 2011 13:34 Talack wrote:On December 31 2011 13:30 iky43210 wrote:On December 31 2011 10:43 Vindicare605 wrote:On December 31 2011 10:12 Uhh Negative wrote:On December 31 2011 09:41 Vindicare605 wrote:
Holy shit groups B and C.
CAnt decide which is worse. I'd say C by far. Nestea and MVP alone make it a scary group no matter who else is in it. B is no joke though. The way things have looked lately, I'd say Leenock + Fin = MVP + Nestea. The determining factor really is the other players in each group, and even then things still look pretty even. forGG hadn't done ANYTHING at all. It amuses me people are praising him as god and gives him as much credit as what MVP has achieved. To be honest saying that after an INCREDIBLY short training period he put on a clinic of demolishing 1) a gsl super tournament winner (polt) and 2) a GSL season runner up and former BW champion (july) and 3) demolishing an up and comming protoss hero (oz? can't remember who it was). all in incredibly short and precise manners. Like he didn't just beat polt/july to, he embarassed them and made it look like they had just gotten into code a for the first time. To say this is all nothing at all is incredibly ignorant. He deserves alot of his hype, to say he'll be champion right away isn't exactly correct but he will win a GSL in 2012 guarenteed. Where did you hear incredibly short training period? I'm pretty sure Artosis said that was a rumour and hes actually been mass playing for 8 months, as in MORE than the average Korean SC2 progamer.
The protoss was sage and I think that was his 2nd time ever in code A after losing Ro16 last season.
I dont remember his games against July that well except for thinking that they were pretty bad all around while watching but I do remember the games against Polt and Polt didnt lose because of any special micro or special tactics, he lost because one banshee got into his base and he basically let it kill him in both games. There wasnt anything special about it in the first game it was one banshee on 1 base and in the 2nd game it was 2 banshees and both times Polt just basically forgot how to kill banshees or something.
This is probably why Leenock picked him because he figured out of all the terrans (with Leenocks best MU being ZvT and all) that ForGG was probably the easiest pick since he hasnt had any real impressive games under his belt save for his series against Sage.
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Yes~ Finally I got info on ForGG next live match 
Ah, it is good to be able to see BoxeR and Nada too. Bw times keke.
What is GSL point?
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Lol just noticed op is a new blue account called teamliquid esports. Hought that was pretty funny. Am looking forward to seeing wat other changes are coming for 2012 and tl.net
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On December 30 2011 22:55 psteeleneg wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2011 22:52 Ausare wrote:On December 30 2011 22:37 skrotcyk wrote:On December 30 2011 22:10 Miscellany wrote:
I think MMA and Mvp basically got byes with their draws. I'm surprised Leenock picked forGG, but I guess we'll see how good he truly is now.
Best part has to be there's no "weak group" anymore, everyone is really scary, and (for once), it seems everyone deserves to be in code S wtf are u talking about? leenock didn't pick anyone, groups were random(with 1 player from every tier) wtf are YOU talking about? the winner and runner-up get to pick their tier 4 opponent, jjakji and Leenock got to pick, please get your facts right. That's for NEXT round's group play. Get YOUR facts straight
Like there will defintely be a tier 4 in the ro 16? PLEASE. Stop posting stupidity.
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Did that guy really say Lucky is better than MC or Supernova?
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On December 31 2011 13:55 mordk wrote:Show nested quote +On December 31 2011 13:31 sevhil wrote:
Why does this board go all bizzaro world when it comes to Idra?
Lets start with Lucky, he earned his spot for Code S, by beating the likes of Huk, Monster and Alicia.
MVP and Nestea can play on a level that only MMA can seem to equal at times. If Nestea is on a slump, well he is still better than the rest.
Now Idra, he isn't Code S material, not in the sense that he earned a spot to be either, either through a foreign tournament or getting through Code A. Idra will most likely end up dead last in his group, hasn't been in Korea long enough and his opponents (yes, even Lucky) are superior players. It's because he's a foreigner. And he also happens to have a rabid fanbase. All of this gets in the way of rationality. I haven't seen him on a tough competitive scene for a long time so I won't say he's got absolutely 0% chance. He's probably got less than 5% chance though.NesTea won't lose to Idra in his star matchup, and we all know what MVP does to zergs. I don't know about Lucky, but reaching code S through regular conduit is no easy task at all. Idra has a tough group, and IMO the only real doubt is whether he's gonna be 3rd or last.
If you refrain from watching MLGs, blizzard cups, etc, then don't spout stupid stuff like "he doesn't face competitive players"...
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On December 31 2011 15:03 power-overwhelming wrote:
Did that guy really say Lucky is better than MC or Supernova?
Did you see Lucky's play lately? ( well... Since IPL).
MC and Supernova are slucking pretty hard. MC getting outplayed in every single tournament really.
Supernova isn't all that good eaither anymore.
New blood comes in. You like it or not, here it comes.
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On December 31 2011 15:06 mtn wrote:Show nested quote +On December 31 2011 15:03 power-overwhelming wrote:
Did that guy really say Lucky is better than MC or Supernova? Did you see Lucky's play lately? ( well... Since IPL). MC and Supernova are slucking pretty hard. MC getting outplayed in every single tournament really. Supernova isn't all that good eaither anymore. New blood comes in. You like it or not, here it comes.
What does this even mean? Pretty sure every single person besides the winner gets outplayed in a tournament. This is the first time lucky has made it to Code S and vP is his only good matchup. Dude got 4-0ed by Stephano, he's not better than MC. And how is Blizzard cup ro4 and taking 2 games off DRG "slucking"?
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Looks like Sen and Idra are the only foreigners this time around.
It's quite the accomplishment for a foreigner to even be in Code S, must be very stressful / intimidating, even for a veteran player. Both Idra and Sen have a lot of high profile experience though, so I'll be rooting for them.
Really hoping to see a foreign Terran make it to Code S.
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Group C.....DEATH INCOMING! TT
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On December 31 2011 14:27 Kryptic.610 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 31 2011 13:34 Talack wrote:On December 31 2011 13:30 iky43210 wrote:On December 31 2011 10:43 Vindicare605 wrote:On December 31 2011 10:12 Uhh Negative wrote:On December 31 2011 09:41 Vindicare605 wrote:
Holy shit groups B and C.
CAnt decide which is worse. I'd say C by far. Nestea and MVP alone make it a scary group no matter who else is in it. B is no joke though. The way things have looked lately, I'd say Leenock + Fin = MVP + Nestea. The determining factor really is the other players in each group, and even then things still look pretty even. forGG hadn't done ANYTHING at all. It amuses me people are praising him as god and gives him as much credit as what MVP has achieved. To be honest saying that after an INCREDIBLY short training period he put on a clinic of demolishing 1) a gsl super tournament winner (polt) and 2) a GSL season runner up and former BW champion (july) and 3) demolishing an up and comming protoss hero (oz? can't remember who it was). all in incredibly short and precise manners. Like he didn't just beat polt/july to, he embarassed them and made it look like they had just gotten into code a for the first time. To say this is all nothing at all is incredibly ignorant. He deserves alot of his hype, to say he'll be champion right away isn't exactly correct but he will win a GSL in 2012 guarenteed. Where did you hear incredibly short training period? I'm pretty sure Artosis said that was a rumour and hes actually been mass playing for 8 months, as in MORE than the average Korean SC2 progamer.
iNcontroL has said that as well. He's got, what, four accounts in GM for Season Four? And has played 2000+ games on ladder, plus who knows how many customs? And is living with oGs? He's not had 'an incredibly short training period' at all. He's got a great work ethic and has been practicing just as much as you'd expect a former MSL champion to practice.
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On December 31 2011 14:38 growl wrote:
I don't see why people are making a huge deal about Idra's group relative to Sen's. Yeah, Idra's group is bad, but Sen's group has jjakji and Ganzi, both of whom in my opinion have been looking a lot stronger than Nestea lately. Both Idra and Sen are going to have their work cut out for them.
Edit: Looking back at the groups I gotta say groups B and F also look ridiculously scary.
It's not just about players but matchups. Jjakji is undeniably good at TvZ and TvP but his TvT is unproven against good TvTers like Ganzi and Boxer. This means that although Sen will have a tough time against Ganzi and Jjakji, Jjakji might also have a tough time against Ganzi and Boxer, making Sen's group sort of up for grabs for everyone except Ganzi who has his two better matchups to face.
Idra on the other hand has to face against MVP in one of his best matchups and Nestea in his best matchup. Lucky lost to Stephano 0-4, which is certainly not great, but he has beaten other Zerg players and I imagine will be practicing a lot to be facing Nestea and Idra. No offense to Idra, but he is no Stephano and so it is hard to judge how good he will do against Lucky. The point is that with some luck Sen might make it out. Idra's chances seem very slim.
On December 31 2011 15:12 Olinimm wrote:Show nested quote +On December 31 2011 15:06 mtn wrote:On December 31 2011 15:03 power-overwhelming wrote:
Did that guy really say Lucky is better than MC or Supernova? Did you see Lucky's play lately? ( well... Since IPL). MC and Supernova are slucking pretty hard. MC getting outplayed in every single tournament really. Supernova isn't all that good eaither anymore. New blood comes in. You like it or not, here it comes. What does this even mean? Pretty sure every single person besides the winner gets outplayed in a tournament. This is the first time lucky has made it to Code S and vP is his only good matchup. Dude got 4-0ed by Stephano, he's not better than MC. And how is Blizzard cup ro4 and taking 2 games off DRG "slucking"?
Considering that Lucky single handedly took down the Slayers team at IPL (in which he took out MMA 3-0) and lost 2-1 to Ganzi in close games during Code A, I would hardly call vP his only good match up.
On December 31 2011 15:06 mtn wrote:Show nested quote +On December 31 2011 15:03 power-overwhelming wrote:
Did that guy really say Lucky is better than MC or Supernova? Did you see Lucky's play lately? ( well... Since IPL). MC and Supernova are slucking pretty hard. MC getting outplayed in every single tournament really. Supernova isn't all that good eaither anymore. New blood comes in. You like it or not, here it comes.
Although I disagreed with the guy replying to you, this is still a false statement. MC has been on an upswing. He took out Leenock 3-1 and went to a fifth game with DRG. Considering that MC feels that PvZ is his weakest match up, that says a lot about his play.
Last Code S, Supernova lost a close game to Virus and then a dumb cheese to Jjakji (which he could have won). He then 6-0ed his way back into Code S as if nothing ever happened completely dominating. He also took third place at WCG Korea, losing to MVP (for the second time) but beating Happy, who is certainly no TvT slouch. Yes, he lost a TvP at WCG, but other than that Supernova has been on a rise since GSL October. Supernova at the moment definitely seems like a top 10 Terran. He might not be, or he might even be Top 5 since MVP keeps on taking him out of tournaments, but considering he is also one of the few meching Terrans, he certainly seems to have the potential to take a GSL.
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Aw oGs teamkills incoming
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wow...crazy teamkills for oGs and MVP...but at least that guarantees someone from those team will advance
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