People talk about spreading esports so much, yet everyone seems to ignore the elephant in the room. Western pro-gamers need style!
Western concept of a 'pro gamer':
Korean concept of a 'pro gamer':
I believe the pro scene of broodwar has been popularised due to reinvented image of a hardcore gamer, this is largely responsible due to Kespa's regulations of keeping the pros in a exercise regime to keep the players active and healthy looking and encourages them to behave and look a certain way. This caused female fans to become more accepting to esports, after all 50% of the population are girls
The western idea of hardcore gamers being unnatractive and unhealthy is true for the most part! Likely the reason why there are so few female fans in the foreigner scene compared to the asian scene.
The question is, should there be a concious effort to improve the appearance of western pro gamers? let's talk.
On December 30 2011 02:23 Naniwa wrote: im up for photoshoot any time.
Win :D I kinda see where the OP is coming from, but I believe that the scene needs to grow before it is really "necessary" to make the scene seem cool as such. Put more simply, I believe there are bigger priorities for the scene to grow rather than the appearance of our pro's.
The reason korea is like that is because they are extremely focused on looks. Saying that most foreign pros are unhealthy seems like bs as most of them look like your average 20-25 year old. Some are overweight but it's not a majority.
Ehm ... Have you looked at the western SC2 players? They look pretty stylish actually. Even when they're sitting at home and streaming (aside from CombatEx) they tend to look decent. StarCraft 2 is one game where the pros already have style.
On December 30 2011 02:28 karpo wrote: The reason korea is like that is because they are extremely focused on looks. Saying that most foreign pros are unhealthy seems like bs as most of them look like your average 20-25 year old. Some are overweight but it's not a majority.
Admittedly some are very underweight though, which is really bad too, but a lot of the Korean players are like that. I'm a little confused too because you're saying that Korea is more focused on looks, but really the west is extremely focused on looks as well. Hence threads like this.
On December 30 2011 02:29 MVega wrote: Ehm ... Have you looked at the western SC2 players? They look pretty stylish actually. Even when they're sitting at home and streaming (aside from CombatEx) they tend to look decent. StarCraft 2 is one game where the pros already have style.
In general, I think the image of gamers will improve with time as technology as a whole becomes more integrated in our lives. In the short term, some more focused marketing couldn't hurt though.
You cant just magically wave a wand and make western progamers buff and stylish. It has to be something they want to do. Like working out...korean progaming houses have work-out schedules. Western progamers are spread out among tens of countries.
This wont happen anytime soon especially because all of the western "pro gamers" are seemingly completely deluded and think they are really handsome and charming, and also there are so little female fans to help say otherwise.
The thing I dislike about western gamers however is that most of them act like spoiled children, so I wouldn't even care if they did look after themselves...
Korean bw pro gaming had a really good image though, I still like watching bw to see all the awesome teams/players!
On December 30 2011 02:29 MVega wrote: Ehm ... Have you looked at the western SC2 players? They look pretty stylish actually. Even when they're sitting at home and streaming (aside from CombatEx) they tend to look decent. StarCraft 2 is one game where the pros already have style.
On December 30 2011 02:28 karpo wrote: The reason korea is like that is because they are extremely focused on looks. Saying that most foreign pros are unhealthy seems like bs as most of them look like your average 20-25 year old. Some are overweight but it's not a majority.
Admittedly some are very underweight though, which is really bad too, but a lot of the Korean players are like that. I'm a little confused too because you're saying that Korea is more focused on looks, but really the west is extremely focused on looks as well. Hence threads like this.
Western countries are no where near as focused on appearance as Korea is. Everyone will openly judge you for your "sense of style" in Korea, especially among young people's social groups.
On December 30 2011 02:29 MVega wrote: Ehm ... Have you looked at the western SC2 players? They look pretty stylish actually. Even when they're sitting at home and streaming (aside from CombatEx) they tend to look decent. StarCraft 2 is one game where the pros already have style.
On December 30 2011 02:28 karpo wrote: The reason korea is like that is because they are extremely focused on looks. Saying that most foreign pros are unhealthy seems like bs as most of them look like your average 20-25 year old. Some are overweight but it's not a majority.
Admittedly some are very underweight though, which is really bad too, but a lot of the Korean players are like that. I'm a little confused too because you're saying that Korea is more focused on looks, but really the west is extremely focused on looks as well. Hence threads like this.
Western countries are no where near as focused on appearance as Korea is. Everyone will openly judge you for your "sense of style" in Korea, especially among young people's social groups.
I don't see how that's much difference than for many countries. Have you ever been to school?
On December 30 2011 02:22 FrayzZeUsher wrote: The western idea of hardcore gamers being unnatractive and unhealthy is true for the most part! Likely the reason why there are so few female fans in the foreigner scene compared to the asian scene.
The question is, should there be a concious effort to improve the appearance of western pro gamers? let's talk.
why the fuck do we want fans who are only fans for demuslim's hot sexy body? if we want more sc2 fans, i want them to think of the games first, the glistening pecs 2nd
On December 30 2011 02:22 FrayzZeUsher wrote: The western idea of hardcore gamers being unnatractive and unhealthy is true for the most part! Likely the reason why there are so few female fans in the foreigner scene compared to the asian scene.
The question is, should there be a concious effort to improve the appearance of western pro gamers? let's talk.
why the fuck do we want fans who are only fans for demuslim's hot sexy body? if we want more sc2 fans, i want them to think of the games first, the glistening pecs 2nd
More fans = more sponsors = more money = more tournaments/players/sc2awesomness!
Besides screaming cute fan girls are something you can never go wrong with! How I miss hearing the sharp almost ear splitting squeal of fan girls from BW.... fuck I need to start watching pro league again :S
On December 30 2011 02:50 Doc.Rivers wrote: Why on earth are people giving this OP the time of day lol. There are so many reasons why it's a retarded suggestion.
Explain? I don't see why changing the progamer image is retarded.
On December 30 2011 02:29 MVega wrote: Ehm ... Have you looked at the western SC2 players? They look pretty stylish actually. Even when they're sitting at home and streaming (aside from CombatEx) they tend to look decent. StarCraft 2 is one game where the pros already have style.
On December 30 2011 02:28 karpo wrote: The reason korea is like that is because they are extremely focused on looks. Saying that most foreign pros are unhealthy seems like bs as most of them look like your average 20-25 year old. Some are overweight but it's not a majority.
Admittedly some are very underweight though, which is really bad too, but a lot of the Korean players are like that. I'm a little confused too because you're saying that Korea is more focused on looks, but really the west is extremely focused on looks as well. Hence threads like this.
Western countries are no where near as focused on appearance as Korea is. Everyone will openly judge you for your "sense of style" in Korea, especially among young people's social groups.
I don't see how that's much difference than for many countries. Have you ever been to school?
I've been to school, and in the US, people under the age of 18 will judge you for hygiene and health reasons (being fat, unfit, slobby, etc), but only a small minority really has a "sense of style", probably because American youth "fashion" is pretty crap compared to Western Europe and East Asia. In Korea, on the other hand, everyone's expected to keep up with "local trends" in style, which probably holds for a few European countries, but it also has the highest rate of plastic surgery in the world. In Korea, cosmetic stores are as common as coffee shops are in the West and young girls are given coupons or credits for plastic surgery as birthday presents. There are even clinics whose sole purpose is to surgically and medically enhance height growth in children. Korea is more notoriously superficial than probably any other country.
On December 30 2011 02:50 Doc.Rivers wrote: Why on earth are people giving this OP the time of day lol. There are so many reasons why it's a retarded suggestion.
On December 30 2011 02:22 FrayzZeUsher wrote: The western idea of hardcore gamers being unnatractive and unhealthy is true for the most part! Likely the reason why there are so few female fans in the foreigner scene compared to the asian scene.
The question is, should there be a concious effort to improve the appearance of western pro gamers? let's talk.
why the fuck do we want fans who are only fans for demuslim's hot sexy body? if we want more sc2 fans, i want them to think of the games first, the glistening pecs 2nd
So let me get this straight...you DON'T want a bunch of hot girls getting incredibly randy around you at an SC2 tournament? I mean, DeMuslim already has a very attractive girlfriend...he's not going to take them. They're there for you
On December 30 2011 02:22 FrayzZeUsher wrote: The western idea of hardcore gamers being unnatractive and unhealthy is true for the most part! Likely the reason why there are so few female fans in the foreigner scene compared to the asian scene.
The question is, should there be a concious effort to improve the appearance of western pro gamers? let's talk.
why the fuck do we want fans who are only fans for demuslim's hot sexy body? if we want more sc2 fans, i want them to think of the games first, the glistening pecs 2nd
So let me get this straight...you DON'T want a bunch of hot girls getting incredibly randy around you at an SC2 tournament? I mean, DeMuslim already has a very attractive girlfriend...he's not going to take them. They're there for you
What makes you think there will be "a bunch of hot girls getting incredibly randy around you" if a couple pro gamers go jogging some more? You are probably the kind of nerd who screams "OMG SHE'S SO HOT" every time you see any girl affiliated with a video game. You really sound like someone who is never around girls lol.
But the first picture in OP is exactly how pro gamers in west are. Most of them overweight, do not spend any time on their looks, don't go to showers (lan events. smell them.). Anyway, breaking this stereotype will be VERY hard.
On December 30 2011 02:22 FrayzZeUsher wrote: The western idea of hardcore gamers being unnatractive and unhealthy is true for the most part! Likely the reason why there are so few female fans in the foreigner scene compared to the asian scene.
The question is, should there be a concious effort to improve the appearance of western pro gamers? let's talk.
why the fuck do we want fans who are only fans for demuslim's hot sexy body? if we want more sc2 fans, i want them to think of the games first, the glistening pecs 2nd
So let me get this straight...you DON'T want a bunch of hot girls getting incredibly randy around you at an SC2 tournament? I mean, DeMuslim already has a very attractive girlfriend...he's not going to take them. They're there for you
What makes you think there will be "a bunch of hot girls getting incredibly randy around you" if a couple pro gamers go jogging some more? You are probably the kind of nerd who screams "OMG SHE'S SO HOT" every time you see any girl affiliated with a video game. You really sound like someone who is never around girls lol.
If DeMuslim has "glistening pecs" in the proposed scenario then why can't there be actual hot girls in it too?
On December 30 2011 02:26 SKYFISH_ wrote: Yes, we definitely need more 13 yo fangirls on top of the 13 yo fanboys and the progamers do need to look gayer and more androgynous
On December 30 2011 02:22 FrayzZeUsher wrote: The western idea of hardcore gamers being unnatractive and unhealthy is true for the most part! Likely the reason why there are so few female fans in the foreigner scene compared to the asian scene.
The question is, should there be a concious effort to improve the appearance of western pro gamers? let's talk.
why the fuck do we want fans who are only fans for demuslim's hot sexy body? if we want more sc2 fans, i want them to think of the games first, the glistening pecs 2nd
So let me get this straight...you DON'T want a bunch of hot girls getting incredibly randy around you at an SC2 tournament? I mean, DeMuslim already has a very attractive girlfriend...he's not going to take them. They're there for you
What makes you think there will be "a bunch of hot girls getting incredibly randy around you" if a couple pro gamers go jogging some more? You are probably the kind of nerd who screams "OMG SHE'S SO HOT" every time you see any girl affiliated with a video game.
Looking better isn't only good for girls, better looking people get more exposure then ugly people. So look at the bigger picture. You're most likely not gonna become world ESPORT stars looking like the south park guy in the OP.
On December 30 2011 02:22 FrayzZeUsher wrote: The western idea of hardcore gamers being unnatractive and unhealthy is true for the most part! Likely the reason why there are so few female fans in the foreigner scene compared to the asian scene.
The question is, should there be a concious effort to improve the appearance of western pro gamers? let's talk.
why the fuck do we want fans who are only fans for demuslim's hot sexy body? if we want more sc2 fans, i want them to think of the games first, the glistening pecs 2nd
So let me get this straight...you DON'T want a bunch of hot girls getting incredibly randy around you at an SC2 tournament? I mean, DeMuslim already has a very attractive girlfriend...he's not going to take them. They're there for you
What makes you think there will be "a bunch of hot girls getting incredibly randy around you" if a couple pro gamers go jogging some more? You are probably the kind of nerd who screams "OMG SHE'S SO HOT" every time you see any girl affiliated with a video game. You really sound like someone who is never around girls lol.
He isn't say thats what actually happens, pretty sure he was just joking.
What? I don't like a player because he is cute, handsome or has nice abs.. Like i won't hate any player that is nerdy, black, gay, women, fat, asian, white, small, giant or ugly! etc..
I really don't care, just because esports are getting bigger, it doesn't need to go the same way everything goes. This doesn't have to be MTV man..
Why do we even need pretty girls in esports? We really don't need it but you are welcome to add them.. but SC2 players don''t need to be stylish, pretty or cool.. Players just need to be themselves and people will root for who they think is better or cooler!
Oh and BTW with the exception of like 10/15 korean players they all look really childish, nerdy and weak lol! Almost all the western pros seems like they could kick their ass lol! This is clearly the weirdest thing about SC community, the need to "love" our heroes, in a weird "semi-sexual" way lol
Like "nada's" body and Bisu is so cute.. what?
It's not a problem against gay people, because that i understand!
On December 30 2011 02:22 FrayzZeUsher wrote: The western idea of hardcore gamers being unnatractive and unhealthy is true for the most part! Likely the reason why there are so few female fans in the foreigner scene compared to the asian scene.
The question is, should there be a concious effort to improve the appearance of western pro gamers? let's talk.
why the fuck do we want fans who are only fans for demuslim's hot sexy body? if we want more sc2 fans, i want them to think of the games first, the glistening pecs 2nd
So let me get this straight...you DON'T want a bunch of hot girls getting incredibly randy around you at an SC2 tournament? I mean, DeMuslim already has a very attractive girlfriend...he's not going to take them. They're there for you
What makes you think there will be "a bunch of hot girls getting incredibly randy around you" if a couple pro gamers go jogging some more? You are probably the kind of nerd who screams "OMG SHE'S SO HOT" every time you see any girl affiliated with a video game.
Looking better isn't only good for girls, better looking people get more exposure then ugly people. So look at the bigger picture. You're most likely not gonna become world ESPORT stars looking like the south park guy in the OP.
Name 5 western progamers who are overweight. What's that, you can only name one or two? Oh, so this entire thread is retarded? Thought so.
On December 30 2011 02:22 FrayzZeUsher wrote: The western idea of hardcore gamers being unnatractive and unhealthy is true for the most part! Likely the reason why there are so few female fans in the foreigner scene compared to the asian scene.
The question is, should there be a concious effort to improve the appearance of western pro gamers? let's talk.
why the fuck do we want fans who are only fans for demuslim's hot sexy body? if we want more sc2 fans, i want them to think of the games first, the glistening pecs 2nd
So let me get this straight...you DON'T want a bunch of hot girls getting incredibly randy around you at an SC2 tournament? I mean, DeMuslim already has a very attractive girlfriend...he's not going to take them. They're there for you
What makes you think there will be "a bunch of hot girls getting incredibly randy around you" if a couple pro gamers go jogging some more? You are probably the kind of nerd who screams "OMG SHE'S SO HOT" every time you see any girl affiliated with a video game.
Looking better isn't only good for girls, better looking people get more exposure then ugly people. So look at the bigger picture. You're most likely not gonna become world ESPORT stars looking like the south park guy in the OP.
Name 5 western progamers who are overweight. What's that, you can only name one or two? Oh, so this entire thread is retarded? Thought so.
I like your logical and witty way of thinking sir.
If someone was the definition of Sexy it is highliy unlikely they would be playing Starcraft for a living
You have to dedicate your life to playing SC if you want to get to progamer level and I highly doubt anyone who could pull really hot chicks and be really socially popular would give that up to play games :D
On December 30 2011 02:22 FrayzZeUsher wrote: The western idea of hardcore gamers being unnatractive and unhealthy is true for the most part! Likely the reason why there are so few female fans in the foreigner scene compared to the asian scene.
The question is, should there be a concious effort to improve the appearance of western pro gamers? let's talk.
why the fuck do we want fans who are only fans for demuslim's hot sexy body? if we want more sc2 fans, i want them to think of the games first, the glistening pecs 2nd
So let me get this straight...you DON'T want a bunch of hot girls getting incredibly randy around you at an SC2 tournament? I mean, DeMuslim already has a very attractive girlfriend...he's not going to take them. They're there for you
What makes you think there will be "a bunch of hot girls getting incredibly randy around you" if a couple pro gamers go jogging some more? You are probably the kind of nerd who screams "OMG SHE'S SO HOT" every time you see any girl affiliated with a video game.
Looking better isn't only good for girls, better looking people get more exposure then ugly people. So look at the bigger picture. You're most likely not gonna become world ESPORT stars looking like the south park guy in the OP.
Name 5 western progamers who are overweight. What's that, you can only name one or two? Oh, so this entire thread is retarded? Thought so.
Do you want overweight or outright obese? A ton of them are just plain overweight although I'd rather not call them out by name because I don't like insulting my beloved progamers.
On December 30 2011 02:22 FrayzZeUsher wrote: The western idea of hardcore gamers being unnatractive and unhealthy is true for the most part! Likely the reason why there are so few female fans in the foreigner scene compared to the asian scene.
The question is, should there be a concious effort to improve the appearance of western pro gamers? let's talk.
why the fuck do we want fans who are only fans for demuslim's hot sexy body? if we want more sc2 fans, i want them to think of the games first, the glistening pecs 2nd
So let me get this straight...you DON'T want a bunch of hot girls getting incredibly randy around you at an SC2 tournament? I mean, DeMuslim already has a very attractive girlfriend...he's not going to take them. They're there for you
What makes you think there will be "a bunch of hot girls getting incredibly randy around you" if a couple pro gamers go jogging some more? You are probably the kind of nerd who screams "OMG SHE'S SO HOT" every time you see any girl affiliated with a video game.
Looking better isn't only good for girls, better looking people get more exposure then ugly people. So look at the bigger picture. You're most likely not gonna become world ESPORT stars looking like the south park guy in the OP.
Name 5 western progamers who are overweight. What's that, you can only name one or two? Oh, so this entire thread is retarded? Thought so.
Tell me where the OP mentioned being overweight. What's that, you can't? Oh, so your post clearly missed the point of the thread? Thought so.
He said style, and I think what he meant was changing the STEREOTYPE that gamers are ugly and unfit and have no style. We have plenty of handsome SC2 players. They just aren't really mentioned as being as such or advertised in such a way.
On December 30 2011 03:10 malaan wrote: If someone was the definition of Sexy it is highliy unlikely they would be playing Starcraft for a living
You have to dedicate your life to playing SC if you want to get to progamer level and I highly doubt anyone who could pull really hot chicks and be really socially popular would give that up to play games :D
On December 30 2011 03:10 malaan wrote: If someone was the definition of Sexy it is highliy unlikely they would be playing Starcraft for a living
You have to dedicate your life to playing SC if you want to get to progamer level and I highly doubt anyone who could pull really hot chicks and be really socially popular would give that up to play games :D
On December 30 2011 02:22 FrayzZeUsher wrote: The western idea of hardcore gamers being unnatractive and unhealthy is true for the most part! Likely the reason why there are so few female fans in the foreigner scene compared to the asian scene.
The question is, should there be a concious effort to improve the appearance of western pro gamers? let's talk.
why the fuck do we want fans who are only fans for demuslim's hot sexy body? if we want more sc2 fans, i want them to think of the games first, the glistening pecs 2nd
So let me get this straight...you DON'T want a bunch of hot girls getting incredibly randy around you at an SC2 tournament? I mean, DeMuslim already has a very attractive girlfriend...he's not going to take them. They're there for you
What makes you think there will be "a bunch of hot girls getting incredibly randy around you" if a couple pro gamers go jogging some more? You are probably the kind of nerd who screams "OMG SHE'S SO HOT" every time you see any girl affiliated with a video game.
Looking better isn't only good for girls, better looking people get more exposure then ugly people. So look at the bigger picture. You're most likely not gonna become world ESPORT stars looking like the south park guy in the OP.
Name 5 western progamers who are overweight. What's that, you can only name one or two? Oh, so this entire thread is retarded? Thought so.
I like your logical and witty way of thinking sir.
Afaik, Sheth, Major, inControl (according to haters?), July (?)... ok I'm out you're probably right.
What the fuck is wrong with people when a reach picture is qualified as "gay" and "androgynous".
There's also a bunch of BW korean players with pretty awful looks, but it is true they have those awesome ceremonies like the yearly E-Sports Award Ceremony (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=296320), where they try to look their best. It is always cool to see them in smart suits. On the other hand, most foreign players (except for TLO and Sase, even if i hate his style) seem to buy their clothes at Wall-Mart or the Salvation Army.
Edit: Sheth, Incontrol, Deezer, July, Goody, Major and, and...
On December 30 2011 02:22 FrayzZeUsher wrote: The western idea of hardcore gamers being unnatractive and unhealthy is true for the most part! Likely the reason why there are so few female fans in the foreigner scene compared to the asian scene.
The question is, should there be a concious effort to improve the appearance of western pro gamers? let's talk.
why the fuck do we want fans who are only fans for demuslim's hot sexy body? if we want more sc2 fans, i want them to think of the games first, the glistening pecs 2nd
So let me get this straight...you DON'T want a bunch of hot girls getting incredibly randy around you at an SC2 tournament? I mean, DeMuslim already has a very attractive girlfriend...he's not going to take them. They're there for you
What makes you think there will be "a bunch of hot girls getting incredibly randy around you" if a couple pro gamers go jogging some more? You are probably the kind of nerd who screams "OMG SHE'S SO HOT" every time you see any girl affiliated with a video game.
Looking better isn't only good for girls, better looking people get more exposure then ugly people. So look at the bigger picture. You're most likely not gonna become world ESPORT stars looking like the south park guy in the OP.
Name 5 western progamers who are overweight. What's that, you can only name one or two? Oh, so this entire thread is retarded? Thought so.
Tell me where the OP mentioned being overweight. What's that, you can't? Oh, so your post clearly missed the point of the thread? Thought so.
He said style, and I think what he meant was changing the STEREOTYPE that gamers are ugly and unfit and have no style. We have plenty of handsome SC2 players. They just aren't really mentioned as being as such or advertised in such a way.
He mentionned overweight with the picture saying it was the western concept of a progamer, open your eyes.
On December 30 2011 02:22 FrayzZeUsher wrote: The western idea of hardcore gamers being unnatractive and unhealthy is true for the most part! Likely the reason why there are so few female fans in the foreigner scene compared to the asian scene.
The question is, should there be a concious effort to improve the appearance of western pro gamers? let's talk.
why the fuck do we want fans who are only fans for demuslim's hot sexy body? if we want more sc2 fans, i want them to think of the games first, the glistening pecs 2nd
So let me get this straight...you DON'T want a bunch of hot girls getting incredibly randy around you at an SC2 tournament? I mean, DeMuslim already has a very attractive girlfriend...he's not going to take them. They're there for you
What makes you think there will be "a bunch of hot girls getting incredibly randy around you" if a couple pro gamers go jogging some more? You are probably the kind of nerd who screams "OMG SHE'S SO HOT" every time you see any girl affiliated with a video game.
Looking better isn't only good for girls, better looking people get more exposure then ugly people. So look at the bigger picture. You're most likely not gonna become world ESPORT stars looking like the south park guy in the OP.
Name 5 western progamers who are overweight. What's that, you can only name one or two? Oh, so this entire thread is retarded? Thought so.
I like your logical and witty way of thinking sir.
Afaik, Sheth, Major, inControl (according to haters?), July (?)... ok I'm out you're probably right.
Yeah but there's more to having style/sex appeal/being good looking then weight. He coins this thread retarded because I'm not insulting 5 progamers' weight.
I believe quite a few players are looking into media training and the social aspect of SC2 in general so that's a sign that the media side of progamers is getting more attention in which looks are a factor as well.
On December 30 2011 02:22 FrayzZeUsher wrote: The western idea of hardcore gamers being unnatractive and unhealthy is true for the most part! Likely the reason why there are so few female fans in the foreigner scene compared to the asian scene.
The question is, should there be a concious effort to improve the appearance of western pro gamers? let's talk.
why the fuck do we want fans who are only fans for demuslim's hot sexy body? if we want more sc2 fans, i want them to think of the games first, the glistening pecs 2nd
So let me get this straight...you DON'T want a bunch of hot girls getting incredibly randy around you at an SC2 tournament? I mean, DeMuslim already has a very attractive girlfriend...he's not going to take them. They're there for you
What makes you think there will be "a bunch of hot girls getting incredibly randy around you" if a couple pro gamers go jogging some more? You are probably the kind of nerd who screams "OMG SHE'S SO HOT" every time you see any girl affiliated with a video game.
Looking better isn't only good for girls, better looking people get more exposure then ugly people. So look at the bigger picture. You're most likely not gonna become world ESPORT stars looking like the south park guy in the OP.
Name 5 western progamers who are overweight. What's that, you can only name one or two? Oh, so this entire thread is retarded? Thought so.
well to be fair a lot of the players would probably be considered "overweight" by medical standards. obese or unhealthily overweight though you are probably right
On December 30 2011 02:22 FrayzZeUsher wrote: The western idea of hardcore gamers being unnatractive and unhealthy is true for the most part! Likely the reason why there are so few female fans in the foreigner scene compared to the asian scene.
The question is, should there be a concious effort to improve the appearance of western pro gamers? let's talk.
why the fuck do we want fans who are only fans for demuslim's hot sexy body? if we want more sc2 fans, i want them to think of the games first, the glistening pecs 2nd
So let me get this straight...you DON'T want a bunch of hot girls getting incredibly randy around you at an SC2 tournament? I mean, DeMuslim already has a very attractive girlfriend...he's not going to take them. They're there for you
What makes you think there will be "a bunch of hot girls getting incredibly randy around you" if a couple pro gamers go jogging some more? You are probably the kind of nerd who screams "OMG SHE'S SO HOT" every time you see any girl affiliated with a video game.
Looking better isn't only good for girls, better looking people get more exposure then ugly people. So look at the bigger picture. You're most likely not gonna become world ESPORT stars looking like the south park guy in the OP.
Name 5 western progamers who are overweight. What's that, you can only name one or two? Oh, so this entire thread is retarded? Thought so.
Tell me where the OP mentioned being overweight. What's that, you can't? Oh, so your post clearly missed the point of the thread? Thought so.
He said style, and I think what he meant was changing the STEREOTYPE that gamers are ugly and unfit and have no style. We have plenty of handsome SC2 players. They just aren't really mentioned as being as such or advertised in such a way.
Well let's see. He posted a cartoon of an overweight gamer, contrasted western progamers with "active and healthy looking" Koreans (who stick to an exercise regimen), referred to westerners as being "unnatractive and unhealthy," and raised the question whether there should be an effort to improve western progamers' appearance. If you think weight isn't implied in any of that, and that it's only referring to stereotypes of gamers in general (rather than the appearance of progamers in particular), you're not smart. What aspect of western progamers' appearance does the OP want to improve besides weight? Their tan and maybe put some gel in their hair? Or nose jobs maybe? Well those things would be pointless really. Speaking of which, this thread is pointless.
On December 30 2011 02:22 FrayzZeUsher wrote: The western idea of hardcore gamers being unnatractive and unhealthy is true for the most part! Likely the reason why there are so few female fans in the foreigner scene compared to the asian scene.
The question is, should there be a concious effort to improve the appearance of western pro gamers? let's talk.
why the fuck do we want fans who are only fans for demuslim's hot sexy body? if we want more sc2 fans, i want them to think of the games first, the glistening pecs 2nd
So let me get this straight...you DON'T want a bunch of hot girls getting incredibly randy around you at an SC2 tournament? I mean, DeMuslim already has a very attractive girlfriend...he's not going to take them. They're there for you
What makes you think there will be "a bunch of hot girls getting incredibly randy around you" if a couple pro gamers go jogging some more? You are probably the kind of nerd who screams "OMG SHE'S SO HOT" every time you see any girl affiliated with a video game.
Looking better isn't only good for girls, better looking people get more exposure then ugly people. So look at the bigger picture. You're most likely not gonna become world ESPORT stars looking like the south park guy in the OP.
Name 5 western progamers who are overweight. What's that, you can only name one or two? Oh, so this entire thread is retarded? Thought so.
Tell me where the OP mentioned being overweight. What's that, you can't? Oh, so your post clearly missed the point of the thread? Thought so.
He said style, and I think what he meant was changing the STEREOTYPE that gamers are ugly and unfit and have no style. We have plenty of handsome SC2 players. They just aren't really mentioned as being as such or advertised in such a way.
Well let's see. He posted a cartoon of an overweight gamer, contrasted western progamers with "active and healthy looking" Koreans (who stick to an exercise regimen), referred to westerners as being "unnatractive and unhealthy," and raised the question whether there should be an effort to improve western progamers' appearance. If you think weight isn't implied in any of that, and that it's only referring to stereotypes of gamers in general (rather than the appearance of progamers in particular), you're not smart. What aspect of western progamers' appearance does the OP want to improve besides weight? Their tan and maybe put some gel in their hair? Or nose jobs maybe?
/thread
So, there is something wrong with the OP suggesting that the players improve their health and physical appearance, not only for themselves, but for the overall image of progamers? I don't understand what your issue is. Being overweight is unhealthy, that's a fact, not some mean opinion. Everyone could stand to exercise more and eat better. Our sick culture has made it a huge taboo to say anything negative about fat, but the fact is being really fat isn't healthy, nor does it look good to most people.
On December 30 2011 02:22 FrayzZeUsher wrote: The western idea of hardcore gamers being unnatractive and unhealthy is true for the most part! Likely the reason why there are so few female fans in the foreigner scene compared to the asian scene.
The question is, should there be a concious effort to improve the appearance of western pro gamers? let's talk.
why the fuck do we want fans who are only fans for demuslim's hot sexy body? if we want more sc2 fans, i want them to think of the games first, the glistening pecs 2nd
So let me get this straight...you DON'T want a bunch of hot girls getting incredibly randy around you at an SC2 tournament? I mean, DeMuslim already has a very attractive girlfriend...he's not going to take them. They're there for you
What makes you think there will be "a bunch of hot girls getting incredibly randy around you" if a couple pro gamers go jogging some more? You are probably the kind of nerd who screams "OMG SHE'S SO HOT" every time you see any girl affiliated with a video game.
Looking better isn't only good for girls, better looking people get more exposure then ugly people. So look at the bigger picture. You're most likely not gonna become world ESPORT stars looking like the south park guy in the OP.
Name 5 western progamers who are overweight. What's that, you can only name one or two? Oh, so this entire thread is retarded? Thought so.
Tell me where the OP mentioned being overweight. What's that, you can't? Oh, so your post clearly missed the point of the thread? Thought so.
He said style, and I think what he meant was changing the STEREOTYPE that gamers are ugly and unfit and have no style. We have plenty of handsome SC2 players. They just aren't really mentioned as being as such or advertised in such a way.
Well let's see. He posted a cartoon of an overweight gamer, contrasted western progamers with "active and healthy looking" Koreans (who stick to an exercise regimen), referred to westerners as being "unnatractive and unhealthy," and raised the question whether there should be an effort to improve western progamers' appearance. If you think weight isn't implied in any of that, and that it's only referring to stereotypes of gamers in general (rather than the appearance of progamers in particular), you're not smart. What aspect of western progamers' appearance does the OP want to improve besides weight? Their tan and maybe put some gel in their hair? Or nose jobs maybe? Well those things would be pointless really. Speaking of which, this thread is pointless.
/thread
I've asked you like 5 posts ago why this topic is pointless, you said for multiple reasons. Regardless of what defines a good looking progamer, why are looks a ''retarded'' topic for ESPORTS players?
The problem isnt with the SC2 community, most of the proplayers are good locking men... the problem goes WAAAY deeper into the cultural society. People wont change their mind until people like demuslim is on the cover of NY-Times.... which might sadly take a while.
On December 30 2011 02:22 FrayzZeUsher wrote: The western idea of hardcore gamers being unnatractive and unhealthy is true for the most part! Likely the reason why there are so few female fans in the foreigner scene compared to the asian scene.
The question is, should there be a concious effort to improve the appearance of western pro gamers? let's talk.
why the fuck do we want fans who are only fans for demuslim's hot sexy body? if we want more sc2 fans, i want them to think of the games first, the glistening pecs 2nd
So let me get this straight...you DON'T want a bunch of hot girls getting incredibly randy around you at an SC2 tournament? I mean, DeMuslim already has a very attractive girlfriend...he's not going to take them. They're there for you
What makes you think there will be "a bunch of hot girls getting incredibly randy around you" if a couple pro gamers go jogging some more? You are probably the kind of nerd who screams "OMG SHE'S SO HOT" every time you see any girl affiliated with a video game.
Looking better isn't only good for girls, better looking people get more exposure then ugly people. So look at the bigger picture. You're most likely not gonna become world ESPORT stars looking like the south park guy in the OP.
Name 5 western progamers who are overweight. What's that, you can only name one or two? Oh, so this entire thread is retarded? Thought so.
Tell me where the OP mentioned being overweight. What's that, you can't? Oh, so your post clearly missed the point of the thread? Thought so.
He said style, and I think what he meant was changing the STEREOTYPE that gamers are ugly and unfit and have no style. We have plenty of handsome SC2 players. They just aren't really mentioned as being as such or advertised in such a way.
Well let's see. He posted a cartoon of an overweight gamer, contrasted western progamers with "active and healthy looking" Koreans (who stick to an exercise regimen), referred to westerners as being "unnatractive and unhealthy," and raised the question whether there should be an effort to improve western progamers' appearance. If you think weight isn't implied in any of that, and that it's only referring to stereotypes of gamers in general (rather than the appearance of progamers in particular), you're not smart. What aspect of western progamers' appearance does the OP want to improve besides weight? Their tan and maybe put some gel in their hair? Or nose jobs maybe?
/thread
So, there is something wrong with the OP suggesting that the players improve their health and physical appearance, not only for themselves, but for the overall image of progamers? I don't understand what your issue is. Being overweight is unhealthy, that's a fact, not some mean opinion. Everyone could stand to exercise more and eat better. Our sick culture has made it a huge taboo to say anything negative about fat, but the fact is being really fat isn't healthy, nor does it look good to most people.
My point is that there's nothing much to be improved. Only 4 overweight progamers have been mentioned in this thread and I can't think of any more. There's no need to make a thread about a negligible percentage of the western progamer population.
On December 30 2011 02:22 FrayzZeUsher wrote: The western idea of hardcore gamers being unnatractive and unhealthy is true for the most part! Likely the reason why there are so few female fans in the foreigner scene compared to the asian scene.
The question is, should there be a concious effort to improve the appearance of western pro gamers? let's talk.
why the fuck do we want fans who are only fans for demuslim's hot sexy body? if we want more sc2 fans, i want them to think of the games first, the glistening pecs 2nd
So let me get this straight...you DON'T want a bunch of hot girls getting incredibly randy around you at an SC2 tournament? I mean, DeMuslim already has a very attractive girlfriend...he's not going to take them. They're there for you
What makes you think there will be "a bunch of hot girls getting incredibly randy around you" if a couple pro gamers go jogging some more? You are probably the kind of nerd who screams "OMG SHE'S SO HOT" every time you see any girl affiliated with a video game.
Looking better isn't only good for girls, better looking people get more exposure then ugly people. So look at the bigger picture. You're most likely not gonna become world ESPORT stars looking like the south park guy in the OP.
Name 5 western progamers who are overweight. What's that, you can only name one or two? Oh, so this entire thread is retarded? Thought so.
Tell me where the OP mentioned being overweight. What's that, you can't? Oh, so your post clearly missed the point of the thread? Thought so.
He said style, and I think what he meant was changing the STEREOTYPE that gamers are ugly and unfit and have no style. We have plenty of handsome SC2 players. They just aren't really mentioned as being as such or advertised in such a way.
Well let's see. He posted a cartoon of an overweight gamer, contrasted western progamers with "active and healthy looking" Koreans (who stick to an exercise regimen), referred to westerners as being "unnatractive and unhealthy," and raised the question whether there should be an effort to improve western progamers' appearance. If you think weight isn't implied in any of that, and that it's only referring to stereotypes of gamers in general (rather than the appearance of progamers in particular), you're not smart. What aspect of western progamers' appearance does the OP want to improve besides weight? Their tan and maybe put some gel in their hair? Or nose jobs maybe?
/thread
So, there is something wrong with the OP suggesting that the players improve their health and physical appearance, not only for themselves, but for the overall image of progamers? I don't understand what your issue is. Being overweight is unhealthy, that's a fact, not some mean opinion. Everyone could stand to exercise more and eat better. Our sick culture has made it a huge taboo to say anything negative about fat, but the fact is being really fat isn't healthy, nor does it look good to most people.
My point is that there's nothing much to be improved. Only 4 overweight progamers have been mentioned in this thread and I can't think of any more. There's no need to make a thread about a negligible percentage of the western progamer population.
The fact that you can only think of four makes me think you aren't that familiar with the roster of progamers...or you have a very loose definition of "overweight."
What i like about esports is that you can be popular whatever your look is. I actually like to sometime see players in the booth that are not really good looking (and sometimes far from that). We have enough pressure with the society to take care of our look, we don't need that in esports.
If a player wants to take care of its fitness and look, that's up to him. Being in shape is obviously healthy and is already promoted by the society, it's not esports job to tell you that you should have balanced meals and exercise from time to time.
I get OP's point, he wants to drive more female fans into esports, well...if you want that, it's not going to happen through good looking players. If you want more female to get into SC2, then think at how you can get more female playing the game, liking it and then watching the pros. Not because they are handsome, but because their play is godlike and they understand that.
So i heard that Western Pro Gamers work out and have a pretty good body. I think I saw a picture on here but i cant find it. I tried googling image "western pro gamers body" but i couldn't find it. I want to see pictures of their nice body, anybody have it?
On December 30 2011 02:22 FrayzZeUsher wrote: The western idea of hardcore gamers being unnatractive and unhealthy is true for the most part! Likely the reason why there are so few female fans in the foreigner scene compared to the asian scene.
The question is, should there be a concious effort to improve the appearance of western pro gamers? let's talk.
why the fuck do we want fans who are only fans for demuslim's hot sexy body? if we want more sc2 fans, i want them to think of the games first, the glistening pecs 2nd
So let me get this straight...you DON'T want a bunch of hot girls getting incredibly randy around you at an SC2 tournament? I mean, DeMuslim already has a very attractive girlfriend...he's not going to take them. They're there for you
What makes you think there will be "a bunch of hot girls getting incredibly randy around you" if a couple pro gamers go jogging some more? You are probably the kind of nerd who screams "OMG SHE'S SO HOT" every time you see any girl affiliated with a video game.
Looking better isn't only good for girls, better looking people get more exposure then ugly people. So look at the bigger picture. You're most likely not gonna become world ESPORT stars looking like the south park guy in the OP.
Name 5 western progamers who are overweight. What's that, you can only name one or two? Oh, so this entire thread is retarded? Thought so.
Tell me where the OP mentioned being overweight. What's that, you can't? Oh, so your post clearly missed the point of the thread? Thought so.
He said style, and I think what he meant was changing the STEREOTYPE that gamers are ugly and unfit and have no style. We have plenty of handsome SC2 players. They just aren't really mentioned as being as such or advertised in such a way.
Well let's see. He posted a cartoon of an overweight gamer, contrasted western progamers with "active and healthy looking" Koreans (who stick to an exercise regimen), referred to westerners as being "unnatractive and unhealthy," and raised the question whether there should be an effort to improve western progamers' appearance. If you think weight isn't implied in any of that, and that it's only referring to stereotypes of gamers in general (rather than the appearance of progamers in particular), you're not smart. What aspect of western progamers' appearance does the OP want to improve besides weight? Their tan and maybe put some gel in their hair? Or nose jobs maybe?
/thread
So, there is something wrong with the OP suggesting that the players improve their health and physical appearance, not only for themselves, but for the overall image of progamers? I don't understand what your issue is. Being overweight is unhealthy, that's a fact, not some mean opinion. Everyone could stand to exercise more and eat better. Our sick culture has made it a huge taboo to say anything negative about fat, but the fact is being really fat isn't healthy, nor does it look good to most people.
My point is that there's nothing much to be improved. Only 4 overweight progamers have been mentioned in this thread and I can't think of any more. There's no need to make a thread about a negligible percentage of the western progamer population.
The OP's point was more about how our programers are PERCEIVED, rather than how they actually are. I feel like it was less of a suggestion that they all get fit, and more of a suggestion that we promote progamers as sex symbols more, like "real" athletes, which I feel like could be interesting at the very least, if not good for expanding esports to a wider audience.
On December 30 2011 03:31 aderum wrote: The problem isnt with the SC2 community, most of the proplayers are good locking men... the problem goes WAAAY deeper into the cultural society. People wont change their mind until people like demuslim is on the cover of NY-Times.... which might sadly take a while.
You gotta start somewhere. Investment into looks is where sc2 progamers can start. It will help them beyond gaming too, anyways.
why the fuck do we want fans who are only fans for demuslim's hot sexy body? if we want more sc2 fans, i want them to think of the games first, the glistening pecs 2nd
So let me get this straight...you DON'T want a bunch of hot girls getting incredibly randy around you at an SC2 tournament? I mean, DeMuslim already has a very attractive girlfriend...he's not going to take them. They're there for you
What makes you think there will be "a bunch of hot girls getting incredibly randy around you" if a couple pro gamers go jogging some more? You are probably the kind of nerd who screams "OMG SHE'S SO HOT" every time you see any girl affiliated with a video game.
Looking better isn't only good for girls, better looking people get more exposure then ugly people. So look at the bigger picture. You're most likely not gonna become world ESPORT stars looking like the south park guy in the OP.
Name 5 western progamers who are overweight. What's that, you can only name one or two? Oh, so this entire thread is retarded? Thought so.
Tell me where the OP mentioned being overweight. What's that, you can't? Oh, so your post clearly missed the point of the thread? Thought so.
He said style, and I think what he meant was changing the STEREOTYPE that gamers are ugly and unfit and have no style. We have plenty of handsome SC2 players. They just aren't really mentioned as being as such or advertised in such a way.
Well let's see. He posted a cartoon of an overweight gamer, contrasted western progamers with "active and healthy looking" Koreans (who stick to an exercise regimen), referred to westerners as being "unnatractive and unhealthy," and raised the question whether there should be an effort to improve western progamers' appearance. If you think weight isn't implied in any of that, and that it's only referring to stereotypes of gamers in general (rather than the appearance of progamers in particular), you're not smart. What aspect of western progamers' appearance does the OP want to improve besides weight? Their tan and maybe put some gel in their hair? Or nose jobs maybe?
/thread
So, there is something wrong with the OP suggesting that the players improve their health and physical appearance, not only for themselves, but for the overall image of progamers? I don't understand what your issue is. Being overweight is unhealthy, that's a fact, not some mean opinion. Everyone could stand to exercise more and eat better. Our sick culture has made it a huge taboo to say anything negative about fat, but the fact is being really fat isn't healthy, nor does it look good to most people.
My point is that there's nothing much to be improved. Only 4 overweight progamers have been mentioned in this thread and I can't think of any more. There's no need to make a thread about a negligible percentage of the western progamer population.
The fact that you can only think of four makes me think you aren't that familiar with the roster of progamers...or you have a very loose definition of "overweight."
You may be thinking of Koreans. We're talking about western progamers here.
Just because you're not overweight doesn't make you handsome nor does it give you sex appeal. That's something you have to work for. And either openly admitting or unconsiously, you'll have a biased opinion on a person based on their looks. Also, try to tell me that sexy people don't draw attention, because they do. And if pros don't want to shape themselves for the sake of eSports, they should consider it for the sake of their own marketing.
I actually think this is an important topic - sex appeal is a MASSIVE marketing tool. For eSports in general to get bigger, it requires money for both the event and also the players. Most major sports stars earn a large chunk of cash from endorsements - naturally, companies will prefer an attractive player to an unattractive player on the side of their box.
Earlier in the thread, someone said how its not important for eSports to be "sexy and cool". I completely disagree. In a world where social media plays a huge part in any form of advertising the key to getting things "shared" is to have people think they are cool. Sharing a football or basketball story is socially fine, due to public opinion on the matter; eSports not so much due to the opinion of players being sterotypical "nerds" - something people don't necessarily want to be associated with.
There is also the aspect of "Sport" - there are benefits to being in good physical condition regardless if its just your fingers or your whole body engaged in activity. This again is an area where eSports can easily take some stick purely from trying to be classed as a sport (rightfully so). If the icon of a "Sport" is overweight and clearly not putting effort into their appearance, it is not exactly something people want to aspire to become when compared to say David Beckham.
I wouldn't say that most western progamers look bad. It's not exactly a priority for a lot of our pro's, and i'm sure that a lot of western players don't have as good an exercise regime as most koreans do. There really aren't that many excessively unhealthy looking people in Starcraft, western or korean. I could think of maybe two players i've seen that are overweight, and I really don't think very many players look downright ugly. I'm sure most would agree.
The vast majority of professionals, be it korean or western, know that being healthy is immensely important to performing your best at StarCraft, despite the fact that superficially, there isn't much physical labour involved. I suppose I could agree that how the western world views gamers as a whole is a lot more unhealthy and stereotypical than the way Koreans view them.
On December 30 2011 02:52 Klondikebar wrote: [quote]
So let me get this straight...you DON'T want a bunch of hot girls getting incredibly randy around you at an SC2 tournament? I mean, DeMuslim already has a very attractive girlfriend...he's not going to take them. They're there for you
What makes you think there will be "a bunch of hot girls getting incredibly randy around you" if a couple pro gamers go jogging some more? You are probably the kind of nerd who screams "OMG SHE'S SO HOT" every time you see any girl affiliated with a video game.
Looking better isn't only good for girls, better looking people get more exposure then ugly people. So look at the bigger picture. You're most likely not gonna become world ESPORT stars looking like the south park guy in the OP.
Name 5 western progamers who are overweight. What's that, you can only name one or two? Oh, so this entire thread is retarded? Thought so.
Tell me where the OP mentioned being overweight. What's that, you can't? Oh, so your post clearly missed the point of the thread? Thought so.
He said style, and I think what he meant was changing the STEREOTYPE that gamers are ugly and unfit and have no style. We have plenty of handsome SC2 players. They just aren't really mentioned as being as such or advertised in such a way.
Well let's see. He posted a cartoon of an overweight gamer, contrasted western progamers with "active and healthy looking" Koreans (who stick to an exercise regimen), referred to westerners as being "unnatractive and unhealthy," and raised the question whether there should be an effort to improve western progamers' appearance. If you think weight isn't implied in any of that, and that it's only referring to stereotypes of gamers in general (rather than the appearance of progamers in particular), you're not smart. What aspect of western progamers' appearance does the OP want to improve besides weight? Their tan and maybe put some gel in their hair? Or nose jobs maybe?
/thread
So, there is something wrong with the OP suggesting that the players improve their health and physical appearance, not only for themselves, but for the overall image of progamers? I don't understand what your issue is. Being overweight is unhealthy, that's a fact, not some mean opinion. Everyone could stand to exercise more and eat better. Our sick culture has made it a huge taboo to say anything negative about fat, but the fact is being really fat isn't healthy, nor does it look good to most people.
My point is that there's nothing much to be improved. Only 4 overweight progamers have been mentioned in this thread and I can't think of any more. There's no need to make a thread about a negligible percentage of the western progamer population.
The fact that you can only think of four makes me think you aren't that familiar with the roster of progamers...or you have a very loose definition of "overweight."
You may be thinking of Koreans. We're talking about western progamers here.
No no, I'm thinking of Westerners. And outside of weight there are still things that they can do to improve how they look. Style, hair, skin...and all that shows up. I mean, look at the progamers we think are hot. They are actually REALLY hot. We could stick a lot of them on magazine covers ezpz.
So let me get this straight...you DON'T want a bunch of hot girls getting incredibly randy around you at an SC2 tournament? I mean, DeMuslim already has a very attractive girlfriend...he's not going to take them. They're there for you
On the other side, the hotter Demuslim, the uglier you seem in compared to him.
Looking better isn't only good for girls, better looking people get more exposure then ugly people. So look at the bigger picture. You're most likely not gonna become world ESPORT stars looking like the south park guy in the OP.
I'm fairly sure nobody is going to deny your 5 consecutive Starleague victories because you're ugly. And I'm fairly sure also that would suffice to make you a star in the gaming world.
I almost forgot to thank the OP for giving me the occasion to take this wonderful picture : . Definitely going in the funny pics thread right now.
On December 30 2011 02:23 Naniwa wrote: im up for photoshoot any time.
It would be funny to get a glamour shot of you charging into battle with 7 probes against a huge mob of angry korean netizens holding up a gom tv flag.
Regular sports have healthy looking people with good looks in general
For e-athletes I think we can objectively say that they aren't as good looking
You're a mainstream person you just watch on TV/internet whatever the f you want. What's gonna be better? Good looking people get more exposure, get more attention and the average derp/derpette approves of good looking people rather then under average looking. Ofcourse this is regardless of what you think of the actual game we're only looking at how people are perceived.
I don't think it can ever be a bad thing to improve your looks. Maybe you can't really compare people who play regular sports to e-athletes but still it can't be a bad thing.
On December 30 2011 03:35 HypernovA wrote: So i heard that Western Pro Gamers work out and have a pretty good body. I think I saw a picture on here but i cant find it. I tried googling image "western pro gamers body" but i couldn't find it. I want to see pictures of their nice body, anybody have it?
The problem isn't that they don't look good as much as it is that they are perceived as not looking good. Even if 95% of them are fairly attractive, current media is so biased against gaming (at least in the US) that they'll seek out the 5% that don't look so great and try to paint us all that way.
on a serious note, I think now with Esports growing the important thing soon here is to start marketing campaigns. There aren't too many girl gamers but our best target population to attract more players and spectators (aka grow) is to appeal to the gamer community.
Look how big gamers are becoming. When Skyrim came out every girl I talked to even knew about it. It sold over 7 million copies in the first week, and earlier this month its up to 10 million. Steam also said it was the fastest selling game on their platform. I don't think there was a single gamer who didn't hear about Skyrim. WoW has over 10 million gamers and spread throughout many age groups. Gamers are becoming far less stigmatized and closer and closer to the norm as we move into the future.
What if every gamer knew about Esports?
I think like any other sport, there are going to be hot guys/girl and not hot guys/girls. The articles and magazines will be selective and find one of the hot guys to be on the cover. What I'm saying is there are attractive people and unattractive people everywhere. The unattractive and mediocre gamers might not get those modeling contracts for the front page of "GAMER MAGAZINE" or w/e but they'll find an attractive guy for that and all will be well.
TL;DR attractiveness will come once magazines/ the world knows about us. They'll be selective and just choose the hot gamers like any other sport. Let's market Esports to gamer communities!
On December 30 2011 02:28 karpo wrote: The reason korea is like that is because they are extremely focused on looks. Saying that most foreign pros are unhealthy seems like bs as most of them look like your average 20-25 year old. Some are overweight but it's not a majority.
I agree with this. The teams want to attract the fans as much as possible. That is why during the early days of bw players like boxer and oov would wear these ridiculous outfits. They wanted to attract fans.
On December 30 2011 03:43 Bojas wrote: Let's look at it this way:
Regular sports have healthy looking people with good looks in general
For e-athletes I think we can objectively say that they aren't as good looking
You're a mainstream person you just watch on TV/internet whatever the f you want. What's gonna be better? Good looking people get more exposure, get more attention and the average derp/derpette approves of good looking people rather then under average looking. Ofcourse this is regardless of what you think of the actual game we're only looking at how people are perceived.
I don't think it can ever be a bad thing to improve your looks. Maybe you can't really compare people who play regular sports to e-athletes but still it can't be a bad thing.
yeah I agree, It can't be a bad thing, but at the same time are we trying to appeal to those consumers who are 30+ sitting on their couch watching TV shows like CSI where all the cops are models ? (lol) I think not. Esports should be appealing to the gamer community. I don't see the gamer community into looks nearly as much, especially since it's mostly dudes. We don't really care how hot that other gamer dude is lol. Also, the game itself (SC2) never/rarely involves the actual player if you're just watching the game. Yeah maybe after a basketball game they'll interview the player just like in SC2, but unlike basketball, during the actual game you never really see the player.
What you're talking about is the view of people who are not into e-sports. You watch sc2, you know that they don't look like that, yet you made this thread; interesting. I have no need for JinrO to be posing nude holding some trophy, I want to see him win, nothing else.
This thread went downhill after the first reply :-/
IMO it's fine, we have people talking how western progamers suck at managing their training schedule, no need to burden with shopping and styling on top of that, yet :D
On December 30 2011 04:06 Zaphid wrote: This thread went downhill after the first reply :-/
IMO it's fine, we have people talking how western progamers suck at managing their training schedule, no need to burden with shopping and styling on top of that, yet :D
When there's enough money in the scene they can pay people to do it for them. And the ones that do work on their appearance still perform well...it's not like they can't be good looking and be good at SC2.
On December 30 2011 04:03 Xcobidoo wrote: What you're talking about is the view of people who are not into e-sports. You watch sc2, you know that they don't look like that, yet you made this thread; interesting. I have no need for JinrO to be posing nude holding some trophy, I want to see him win, nothing else.
On December 30 2011 04:06 Zaphid wrote: This thread went downhill after the first reply :-/
IMO it's fine, we have people talking how western progamers suck at managing their training schedule, no need to burden with shopping and styling on top of that, yet :D
To be fair, that first post set the bar unreasonably high.
IMO, those 'sexy' shots of pro-gamers are ridiculously funny. Computer games + Sex Appeal, it's a hard concept to throw together without it looking/feeling completely unnatural.
SC2 progamers posing like tough guys showing me their muscles... is straight up odd. Yea it appeals to chicks, and I guess the more chicks that are into esprots helps the scene, but eh... very weird. Need to have the 'cool' factor something everyone can relate to, sex appeal doesn't convince me these people are cool, convinces me they are into modeling more than games.
The western idea of hardcore gamers being unnatractive and unhealthy is true for the most part! Likely the reason why there are so few female fans in the foreigner scene compared to the asian scene.
you hit the nail on the head with this point. maybe this is just me having a similar opinion (as opposed to it being a fact), but whenever i bring up the fact that i'm into pro-gaming i get some confused looks. no one takes me for a nerd, meanwhile i enjoy anime and pro-starcraft as well as going 11/12 heroic ICC before quitting. no one expects that from me because i defy the traditional western view of a nerd.
"sick brag, bro"
thanks, man. but i bring that up because that example is a clear instance of misunderstanding of what it means to be into video games. with the rise of games like call of duty attracting a cult following, it should be understood that not everyone thats REALLY into the scene is unattractive. its sold multi-million copies - youre trying to tell me they were all to unattractive, fat, unhealthy, middle-aged adults living with their parents? no freakin way. this image needs to be changed if we're going to break through the misconceptions that have been created through pop-culture like the embedded south park image.
now, to the OP's point - i think a certain amount of sex appeal would be a good idea to include to attract female viewers. we already have the male demographic covered with our lovely hostesses. i wouldn't mind seeing demuslim scantily clad on the cover of a magazine. even idra has grown out of his nerdy looks since he hit the gym. huk is quite handsome as well. and how could i forget tasteless!! (i even remember his gf tweeting that she got him to lose some weight as well so im sure he's looking extra nice lately).
do i have any advice for how? other than photoshoots, no. im not into PR or business or advertising or that sort of thing - im just a teacher haha. i just know that i would like to see these common misconceptions gone and to not get funny looks when my zerg necklace falls out of my shirt and i explain what it is. no matter how "above average" you look, it still knocks you down a couple points (at least in my experience).
PS: i might be a little biased because i write this since i want an esports wife-u. i would love an asian, however they only seem to be into other asians mainly . lets make this happen plz
This is pretty serious. I hope the high command of E-Sports take notice of this. It is somewhat in effect in some western pro-players like jinro, huk, idra, and naniwa. And in Sports in general, the best players take care of themselves, they work out, and get well dressed. They take good care of their looks in general.
Wait, crazy idea: Let's foster a stronger desire amongst fans for great games, in-depth player personalities, and excitng commentary, you know, game-related stuff, rather than substituting it with psuedo-content.
On December 30 2011 03:43 Bojas wrote: Let's look at it this way:
Regular sports have healthy looking people with good looks in general
For e-athletes I think we can objectively say that they aren't as good looking
You're a mainstream person you just watch on TV/internet whatever the f you want. What's gonna be better? Good looking people get more exposure, get more attention and the average derp/derpette approves of good looking people rather then under average looking. Ofcourse this is regardless of what you think of the actual game we're only looking at how people are perceived.
I don't think it can ever be a bad thing to improve your looks. Maybe you can't really compare people who play regular sports to e-athletes but still it can't be a bad thing.
Of course this is true.
I don't think there can be any rules or regulations but every pro gamer must have enough brains to figure for himself that the better he (or she) looks the better he will be perceived by the community and the more popular he will become. Obviously looks alone won't cut it, but it's a welcome addition.
On December 30 2011 03:43 Bojas wrote: Let's look at it this way:
Regular sports have healthy looking people with good looks in general
For e-athletes I think we can objectively say that they aren't as good looking
First, regular sports require you to be healthy, because if you're not healthy, you can't play. You'd never turn pro if you weren't fit.
Second, there are plenty of ugly pro sports players. Get the defensive line of any football (American) team up on stage. These people are not hired for their looks.
Third, most people when playing their games look ugly as hell. The glamor shots of pro sports players are not taken during play. Most players do not apply makeup and so forth when going onto the field, as sweat would make short work of that.
I don't see this as a problem that needs to be solved. There are some nice-looking pro-gamers outside of Korea. And there are some not-so-nice-looking ones. Just let the players play. E-sports should grow on the merrit of its players; to grow on something else (like their attractiveness) does a disservice to the game itself.
Would you really want e-sports to make it big because the players are hot? Or because people actually like the game and level of competition?
On December 30 2011 03:43 Bojas wrote: Let's look at it this way:
Regular sports have healthy looking people with good looks in general
For e-athletes I think we can objectively say that they aren't as good looking
First, regular sports require you to be healthy, because if you're not healthy, you can't play. You'd never turn pro if you weren't fit.
Second, there are plenty of ugly pro sports players. Get the defensive line of any football (American) team up on stage. These people are not hired for their looks.
Third, most people when playing their games look ugly as hell. The glamor shots of pro sports players are not taken during play. Most players do not apply makeup and so forth when going onto the field, as sweat would make short work of that.
I don't see this as a problem that needs to be solved. There are some nice-looking pro-gamers outside of Korea. And there are some not-so-nice-looking ones. Just let the players play. E-sports should grow on the merrit of its players; to grow on something else (like their attractiveness) does a disservice to the game itself.
Would you really want e-sports to make it big because the players are hot? Or because people actually like the game and level of competition?
You have to be healthy to play Starcraft as well, that's no secret. And sure e-sports shouldn't be big only because the players are hot. But if you get a sexy shot of Huk and throw it on the cover of Newsweek, you can bet his looks are gonna pull in people that otherwise wouldn't give a damn. I'm ok with that.
Other than Major name me a foreign pro that is just grossly unattractive. I'd have to go find a list with pictures included to find out because I don't know any other ones who are though I am sure there are plenty.
There are plenty of geeky-looking or overweight Korean pros too, I don't understand the OP.
On December 30 2011 04:53 DeepElemBlues wrote: Other than Major name me a foreign pro that is just grossly unattractive. I'd have to go find a list with pictures included to find out because I don't know any other ones who are though I am sure there are plenty.
There are plenty of geeky-looking or overweight Korean pros too, I don't understand the OP.
Not that I give a shit about how people look, I want to watch sick games not a cat walk. But really, most of the top pros look really good, atleast in the cs/quake/sc2 scene.
the foreign community, as a whole, can never accept how Asian men look, it's just a cultural difference.. maybe in 100 years when sc5 is out with a 1 billion community pop and everyone is mixed race, then people can be more understanding instead of calling it "homo".
edit2: If you don't know who he is, look up Bisu (bw) on google images. he could clearly be an actor or singer if he had (and maybe he does already) those talents. if he transferred over to sc2, imagine how many more female fans sc2 scene would have.
On December 30 2011 05:02 FidoDido wrote: the foreign community, as a whole, can never accept how Asian men look, it's just a cultural difference.. maybe in 100 years when sc5 is out with a 1 billion community pop and everyone is mixed race, then people can be more understanding instead of calling it "homo".
edit2: If you don't know who he is, look up Bisu (bw) on google images. he could clearly be an actor or singer if he had (and maybe he does already) those talents. if he transferred over to sc2, imagine how many more female fans sc2 scene would have.
Weird ass post. I'm pretty sure everyone in the foreign community will agree that NaDa an BoxeR are sexy mofos.
Also, who the hell on TL doesn't know who Bisu is?
On December 30 2011 02:23 Naniwa wrote: im up for photoshoot any time.
I was bored and wanted to make a mean replay about how we don't need to concern "the esport scene" with such things at this young of a stage/that it is a vulgar thing to do... but then i saw this 1 liner and i lol'ed so hard, now im a happy bear and my contribution to this thread will consist solely of quoting this awesome well placed comment and saying how much i love you and how much more i love you for posting it.
Also if we are talking about sex appeal we got this Show me a korean pro gamer image that matches that !
that pool is obi biased I mean Tasteless should be the defintion of handsome pro gamer and how can MKP be like in the 20's? day 9 beating MKP? that is hilarious, maybe back when he was doing sc1 but def not now
the gamer stereotype is just that all gamers are fat and lazy, which is not completely inaccurate as I would believe there are more bigger people among gamers than other sports enthusiasts.
Also, the culture is completely different between Korea and North American entertainment. In things such as music, you will see anybody come out with music as long as someone will buy their music, but in Korea, it is extremely difficult to debut through a major record company if you aren't considered good looking. (One huge example is Rain, (speed racer, ninja assassin) as well as being the king of Korean pop for the last 10 years. He was rejected from almost all record companies because he didn't have double eyelids and people thought that he wasn't good looking enough)
they should really add a neither option on studcraft. no offense but a lot of progamers are not very attractive. most just seem nerdy but if i were a girl i would totally date demuslim or keen.
This studcraft website is totally not good... Boxer is not #1 and Nada is only #5. Who are you kidding with TLO at the top... I'd put tasteless #3 though >.>
Why should some handsome players like TLO, DeMuslim and Tasteless (DAT VOICE) go for metrosexual looks that appeal only teens? For the love of god, let them be adult and handsome like they are instead of androgynous bait for teens. The image "problem" of western gamers you're speaking of is only a perception.
On December 30 2011 05:25 Gheizen64 wrote: Why should some handsome players like TLO, DeMuslim and Tasteless (DAT VOICE) go for metrosexual looks that appeal only teens? For the love of god, let them be adult and handsome like they are instead of androgynous bait for teens. The image "problem" of western gamers you're speaking of is only a perception.
I dont think OP means the metrosexual looks of the koreans, but rather that they arent looked upon like fatsos who does nothing but eat candy and play videogames all day.
Lol... i've always WANTED to be a nerd. i'm not very good with computers though (only know very basic programming etc...) so i don't deserve to be called a nerd yet although i could qualify by math. Seriously though.... Would you want to make sc2 as superficial as everything else?
On December 30 2011 04:56 TheBamf wrote: This is stupid, we are not selling a product for preteen kids.
not atm, but what would be wrong with including another demographic in the viewer base? that would mean more numbers and a future following as well
I agree we need to expand our horizons for the future of e-sports.
I've just sent an email to gom asking for them to hire Justin Bieber for the Code S Jan finals. If we bring in some of his 8 - 14 year old fan girl following we can get some new blood into the scene.
On December 30 2011 04:53 DeepElemBlues wrote: Other than Major name me a foreign pro that is just grossly unattractive. I'd have to go find a list with pictures included to find out because I don't know any other ones who are though I am sure there are plenty.
There are plenty of geeky-looking or overweight Korean pros too, I don't understand the OP.
I can name quite a few actually, though mods seem to have a habit of banning me I'll decline to do so in order to preserve the activity of my account, though why comments like the one you posted is never frowned upon fucking blows my mind
On December 30 2011 04:53 DeepElemBlues wrote: Other than Major name me a foreign pro that is just grossly unattractive. I'd have to go find a list with pictures included to find out because I don't know any other ones who are though I am sure there are plenty.
There are plenty of geeky-looking or overweight Korean pros too, I don't understand the OP.
I can name quite a few actually, though mods seem to have a habit of banning me I'll decline to do so in order to preserve the activity of my account, though why comments like the one you posted is never frowned upon fucking blows my mind
same would name a bunch but getting banned for something like that is silly lol. theres plenty unattractive pro gamers.
On December 30 2011 04:56 TheBamf wrote: This is stupid, we are not selling a product for preteen kids.
not atm, but what would be wrong with including another demographic in the viewer base? that would mean more numbers and a future following as well
I agree we need to expand our horizons for the future of e-sports.
I've just sent an email to gom asking for them to hire Justin Bieber for the Code S Jan finals. If we bring in some of his 8 - 14 year old fan girl following we can get some new blood into the scene.
the funny thing is that would actually bring in a shit ton of attention. though i know youre being sarcastic
I can't think of another progamer that comes close to these two. I'm always suprised when I see how progamers dress, People like TLO, Destiny, Ret, Incontrol etc come across as normal down to earth people but when I see how they dress is makes me think otherwise.
I agree with the OP, there is no attraction to gamers by non-gamers in the Western mindset. I don't know how to do it, but South Korea definitely did it and gamers there are much more popular there. I think we honestly just have to get lucky and wait for someone that looks like David Beckham to start playing SC2
EDIT: No offense to ANY pro or amateur players, you're all beautiful.
I hope the people saying we need hotter pros aren't the same people that go apeshit when there are cladly dressed females in tournaments for the puplicity...
I can't think of another progamer that comes close to these two. I'm always suprised when I see how progamers dress, People like TLO, Destiny, Ret, Incontrol etc come across as normal down to earth people but when I see how they dress is makes me think otherwise.
how does their dress make them not "down to earth" or "normal" wtf?
@OP, I agree that one day this will matter but I don't think that day is today. Esports isn't big enough. You could argue it would make it bigger, but I think atm it is more important that teams focus on playing better. I'm glad that EG house works out together tho.
@OP, I agree that one day this will matter but I don't think that day is today. Esports isn't big enough. You could argue it would make it bigger, but I think atm it is more important that teams focus on playing better. I'm glad that EG house works out together tho.
I've gotten Lzgamer twice so he's in there. Although I feel guilty because he has a girlfriend... Lol.
I think nerds should try to eat healthily and exercise just because it's good for you. I think people just have difficulty with time management and working out isn't very appealing to many people, so that's why they don't do it. I don't really know how to fix the perspective of progamers Westerners have, I guess it really just starts with individuals wanting to change people's perceptions of them.
On December 30 2011 05:54 TerlocSG wrote: I agree with the OP, there is no attraction to gamers by non-gamers in the Western mindset. I don't know how to do it, but South Korea definitely did it and gamers there are much more popular there. I think we honestly just have to get lucky and wait for someone that looks like David Beckham to start playing SC2
EDIT: No offense to ANY pro or amateur players, you're all beautiful.
Some of you are so delusional. Do you honestly think that just one some random day in S Korea everyone just decided that programers would become popular and people would just become fans and put them into the public eye? There are a ton of factors of why SC/BW is as popular as it is/was in S Korea and has nothing to do with "get lucky and wait for someone that looks like David Beckham to start playing SC2 " I hope for your sake you're 14 and don't know that S Korea culture is unlike any other in the world and programers are put onto a pedestal. They have TV stations dedicated to such things. Stop living in your fantasy worlds.
On December 30 2011 05:54 TerlocSG wrote: I agree with the OP, there is no attraction to gamers by non-gamers in the Western mindset. I don't know how to do it, but South Korea definitely did it and gamers there are much more popular there. I think we honestly just have to get lucky and wait for someone that looks like David Beckham to start playing SC2
EDIT: No offense to ANY pro or amateur players, you're all beautiful.
honestly this is why boxer is tthe creator of korean starcraft esports. Boxer has everything, skills, looks, and charisma to lead the scene. The foreign esports scene doesn't really have someone that can hold that mantle,
looks/style? Sase, tasteless(not a progamer),
charisma? Day 9, maybe incontrol
skills: well here there are a few, huk, idra, thorzain, etc.
But look at these three main categories, which foreign progamer can embrace all of these categories and drive the scene forward? This problem is further complicated by the different senses of style from different regions, europeans in general have a metro style (I personally like this style; I'm Korean). Americans have generally poor sense of style (still too much baggy clothes, but is admittely improving).
Also, people must remember that the Korean SC2 scene has not taken off like broodwar has. I think a large part of this is due to the mantle of someone that must drive the scene. This is why boxer received all that sponsorship money when he first switched, had he been successful then it's possible that the scene would have exploded. These successful top tier players all lack in some area. Nestea: Not good looking Dongraegu: IMO, not good looking, but he hasn't had the success to make it anyways. Leenock: Probably too chubby to become the mantle. MVP: The closest imo, he doesn't have the charisma that boxer has. MMA: On the rise, but he has a big weakness in his height. MC: Charisma check, skill check, looks ... not there
I only did a small list but the korean scene also needs a leader, someone who can draw in the crowds and sponsorships in order to flourish like BW has and did.
I can't think of another progamer that comes close to these two. I'm always suprised when I see how progamers dress, People like TLO, Destiny, Ret, Incontrol etc come across as normal down to earth people but when I see how they dress is makes me think otherwise.
how does their dress make them not "down to earth" or "normal" wtf?
lol
Well I guess it just comes across as strange to me, they are people with their finger on the pulse, yet when it comes dressing they appear (to me) like they don't have a clue what I means to be stylish. Maybe my attitude is a bit too judgemental as I live in South London, where most high streets are like catwalks.
On December 30 2011 02:51 The Void wrote: TBH the Korean scene looks just gay (nothing gainst the sexual orientation) and all look the same like they have all the same parents
the western scene looks... there is no one look! all different - like that more.
hahaha that smily in relation to what you just said made me lol hard...
I don't get how people can think this is a bad idea. I think people are reading this the wrong way, OP didn't mean that programers should dress in a metrosexual way. More likely he just meant that it can't be a bad idea to make conscious efforts to try and get rid of the prejudice that associates gaming with unhealthinessr. Sure this game isn't aimed towards preteen girls, but the whole community is trying to get SC2 to be more mainstream and reaching towards non-traditional demographics is part of that. Of course fans will get hooked for the same reasons we all love the game - > it's great, but before that, there has to be initial contact made and mass appeal helps get more exposure.
I can't think of another progamer that comes close to these two. I'm always suprised when I see how progamers dress, People like TLO, Destiny, Ret, Incontrol etc come across as normal down to earth people but when I see how they dress is makes me think otherwise.
how does their dress make them not "down to earth" or "normal" wtf?
lol
Well I guess it just comes across as strange to me, they are people with their finger on the pulse, yet when it comes dressing they appear (to me) like they don't have a clue what I means to be stylish. Maybe my attitude is a bit too judgemental as I live in South London, where most high streets are like catwalks.
I kinda agree with what you say, but not how you articulated it. I wouldn't say what they wear changes if they are down to earth or not. But it's true that there's very few stylish pro-gamers. The Koreans are actually way more stylish when it comes to clothes at least.
Not many look terrible, but their clothing is a bit geekish still. Or ordinary. I wouldn't expect Starcraft nerds that are concentrating most of their time on playing to be with the current fashion trends though tbh, or to care.
I'm from England too though, so maybe it's an American/European thing? I dunno.
I can't think of another progamer that comes close to these two. I'm always suprised when I see how progamers dress, People like TLO, Destiny, Ret, Incontrol etc come across as normal down to earth people but when I see how they dress is makes me think otherwise.
how does their dress make them not "down to earth" or "normal" wtf?
lol
Well I guess it just comes across as strange to me, they are people with their finger on the pulse, yet when it comes dressing they appear (to me) like they don't have a clue what I means to be stylish. Maybe my attitude is a bit too judgemental as I live in South London, where most high streets are like catwalks.
I kinda agree with what you say, but not how you articulated it. I wouldn't say what they wear changes if they are down to earth or not. But it's true that there's very few stylish pro-gamers. The Koreans are actually way more stylish when it comes to clothes at least.
Not many look terrible, but their clothing is a bit geekish still. Or ordinary. I wouldn't expect Starcraft nerds that are concentrating most of their time on playing to be with the current fashion trends though tbh, or to care.
I'm from England too though, so maybe it's an American/European thing? I dunno.
To be fair to most of those progamers, they're probably required to wear their team jersey's when they appear in any sort of SC2 public thingy which is why we mostly see them wearing those shirts and little else. They could have fitted team shirts, but it's kinda hard to feel comfortable in them and you always feel like you have to suck in your stomach.
I will admit that European players do tend to dress better than American ones.
On December 30 2011 02:22 FrayzZeUsher wrote: The western idea of hardcore gamers being unnatractive and unhealthy is true for the most part! Likely the reason why there are so few female fans in the foreigner scene compared to the asian scene.
The question is, should there be a concious effort to improve the appearance of western pro gamers? let's talk.
why the fuck do we want fans who are only fans for demuslim's hot sexy body? if we want more sc2 fans, i want them to think of the games first, the glistening pecs 2nd
So let me get this straight...you DON'T want a bunch of hot girls getting incredibly randy around you at an SC2 tournament? I mean, DeMuslim already has a very attractive girlfriend...he's not going to take them. They're there for you
What makes you think there will be "a bunch of hot girls getting incredibly randy around you" if a couple pro gamers go jogging some more? You are probably the kind of nerd who screams "OMG SHE'S SO HOT" every time you see any girl affiliated with a video game.
Looking better isn't only good for girls, better looking people get more exposure then ugly people. So look at the bigger picture. You're most likely not gonna become world ESPORT stars looking like the south park guy in the OP.
Name 5 western progamers who are overweight. What's that, you can only name one or two? Oh, so this entire thread is retarded? Thought so.
well to be fair a lot of the players would probably be considered "overweight" by medical standards. obese or unhealthily overweight though you are probably right
On December 30 2011 02:23 Naniwa wrote: im up for photoshoot any time.
HA! This made me die laughing. I think the western image issue is not with the eSports community, rather the issue is with the general populace that believes in the gaming stereotypes of poor people who live in their mothers basement. Change their opinions and then we are all set.
On December 30 2011 05:54 TerlocSG wrote: I agree with the OP, there is no attraction to gamers by non-gamers in the Western mindset. I don't know how to do it, but South Korea definitely did it and gamers there are much more popular there. I think we honestly just have to get lucky and wait for someone that looks like David Beckham to start playing SC2
EDIT: No offense to ANY pro or amateur players, you're all beautiful.
looks/style? Sase, tasteless(not a progamer),
charisma? Day 9, maybe incontrol
skills: well here there are a few, huk, idra, thorzain, etc.
But look at these three main categories, which foreign progamer can embrace all of these categories and drive the scene forward?
MadFrog would probably have fit into all three categories, though unfortunately he stopped playing. Then you have some players that fit well into two of them, such as Thorzain.
However, I would say that Hero fits into all three categories, just maybe lacking some charisma but no more lacking than Boxer was for his first pro year.
To tell you the truth the SC2 pros look fine IMO. I mean Idra, Jinro, Tyler, Tasteless, Machine, Demuslim, Huk and numerous other players look like normal to popular dudes from back in college/HS and I mean we all look a hell of a lot better than the MOBA pros, so as long as we aren't in last in the "looks" department I am fine with that.
On December 30 2011 02:23 Naniwa wrote: im up for photoshoot any time.
HA! This made me die laughing. I think the western image issue is not with the eSports community, rather the issue is with the general populace that believes in the gaming stereotypes of poor people who live in their mothers basement. Change their opinions and then we are all set.
Gaming is socially acceptable in England. Console gaming at least. Especially this current generation because they've all grown up playing on them. People over here care so much about their consoles though that a lot don't even know what PC Gaming is nevermind E-Sports.
Dressing well and caring about the outward appearence too much is just not appealing to most people who like to play a computer game as a job. I see nothing bad in it, I always thought caring too much about dressing and haircut is shallow and I am not sure I would do it in my private life. If the teams start asking the players to do so and provide the means to do it it's different, but the fact being a progamer takes so much effort/time and the income is not as high as it would be compared to traditional sports makes it difficult for progamers to have an attractive look.
I can't think of another progamer that comes close to these two. I'm always suprised when I see how progamers dress, People like TLO, Destiny, Ret, Incontrol etc come across as normal down to earth people but when I see how they dress is makes me think otherwise.
how does their dress make them not "down to earth" or "normal" wtf?
lol
Well I guess it just comes across as strange to me, they are people with their finger on the pulse, yet when it comes dressing they appear (to me) like they don't have a clue what I means to be stylish. Maybe my attitude is a bit too judgemental as I live in South London, where most high streets are like catwalks.
I kinda agree with what you say, but not how you articulated it. I wouldn't say what they wear changes if they are down to earth or not. But it's true that there's very few stylish pro-gamers. The Koreans are actually way more stylish when it comes to clothes at least.
Not many look terrible, but their clothing is a bit geekish still. Or ordinary. I wouldn't expect Starcraft nerds that are concentrating most of their time on playing to be with the current fashion trends though tbh, or to care.
I'm from England too though, so maybe it's an American/European thing? I dunno.
Sorry if I came across as rude :/ I don't mean to be a snob or anything. I just feel the Korean pros value style more than rest, and it has a positive affect.
On December 30 2011 05:54 TerlocSG wrote: I agree with the OP, there is no attraction to gamers by non-gamers in the Western mindset. I don't know how to do it, but South Korea definitely did it and gamers there are much more popular there. I think we honestly just have to get lucky and wait for someone that looks like David Beckham to start playing SC2
EDIT: No offense to ANY pro or amateur players, you're all beautiful.
looks/style? Sase, tasteless(not a progamer),
charisma? Day 9, maybe incontrol
skills: well here there are a few, huk, idra, thorzain, etc.
But look at these three main categories, which foreign progamer can embrace all of these categories and drive the scene forward?
MadFrog would probably have fit into all three categories, though unfortunately he stopped playing. Then you have some players that fit well into two of them, such as Thorzain.
However, I would say that Hero fits into all three categories, just maybe lacking some charisma but no more lacking than Boxer was for his first pro year.
Look at Combatex. Guy is the fucking definition of style/charisma/skill.
I'd love to see him get picked up by a pro team, he definitely has the fan base and the skill to back it up.
@OP, I agree that one day this will matter but I don't think that day is today. Esports isn't big enough. You could argue it would make it bigger, but I think atm it is more important that teams focus on playing better. I'm glad that EG house works out together tho.
lol, Sase has the best sense and his on the bottom, Greg and Huk are terrible? Maybe its just a popularity opion post.
On December 30 2011 05:25 Gheizen64 wrote: Why should some handsome players like TLO, DeMuslim and Tasteless (DAT VOICE) go for metrosexual looks that appeal only teens? For the love of god, let them be adult and handsome like they are instead of androgynous bait for teens. The image "problem" of western gamers you're speaking of is only a perception.
I dont think OP means the metrosexual looks of the koreans, but rather that they arent looked upon like fatsos who does nothing but eat candy and play videogames all day.
So, not looking like July (burn!).
My point is this: where are the "fatsos who does nothing but eat candy and play videogames all day" among the progamers? There aren't a whole lot. Yes, there are some, but there are some Koreans who fit the same mold. The OP acts like there's a massive glut of glutenous progamers out there in the non-Korean scene, and that simply is not true.
For every "fatso" progamer, you can find 2-3 that isn't.
I can't think of another progamer that comes close to these two. I'm always suprised when I see how progamers dress, People like TLO, Destiny, Ret, Incontrol etc come across as normal down to earth people but when I see how they dress is makes me think otherwise.
how does their dress make them not "down to earth" or "normal" wtf?
lol
Well I guess it just comes across as strange to me, they are people with their finger on the pulse, yet when it comes dressing they appear (to me) like they don't have a clue what I means to be stylish. Maybe my attitude is a bit too judgemental as I live in South London, where most high streets are like catwalks.
O-o
EG requires Jeans / jersey at all events which makes up 90% of any picture of me (incontrol on rocker's account).
I am by no means high fashion but what the fuck.. I am sorry I don't wear a stupid ass bowler cap and a scarf but I don't think that means I am not "down to earth."
On December 30 2011 05:54 TerlocSG wrote: I agree with the OP, there is no attraction to gamers by non-gamers in the Western mindset. I don't know how to do it, but South Korea definitely did it and gamers there are much more popular there. I think we honestly just have to get lucky and wait for someone that looks like David Beckham to start playing SC2
EDIT: No offense to ANY pro or amateur players, you're all beautiful.
looks/style? Sase, tasteless(not a progamer),
charisma? Day 9, maybe incontrol
skills: well here there are a few, huk, idra, thorzain, etc.
But look at these three main categories, which foreign progamer can embrace all of these categories and drive the scene forward?
MadFrog would probably have fit into all three categories, though unfortunately he stopped playing. Then you have some players that fit well into two of them, such as Thorzain.
However, I would say that Hero fits into all three categories, just maybe lacking some charisma but no more lacking than Boxer was for his first pro year.
Sorry but the reason i'm not a fan of Hero is clearly because I have the feeling he has such a soft personnality, and I prefer strong mentality than shy guys like Hero... So Hero is not at all charismatic, but that's just my opinion
On December 30 2011 06:44 Kluey wrote: Ret's girlfriend... That first image can't possibly be in everyone's mind.
Where? On a side note, we should have a big major chauvinist sexist politically-incorrect vote for the girlfriends in esports. I'd say Slasher's girlfriend wins ezpz. (but she should be disqualified, because Slasher has nothing to do with esports, and god damn it F%^# Slasher!)
I think the fundamental problem comes down to how spread out everyone is. Do you think i could get a progamer to work out every day remotely unless he was self motivated to do it himself? I think the ultimate solution is for all pro teams to move to one area but i haven't put enough thought into how realistic that idea is.
On December 30 2011 07:01 Kennigit wrote: I think the fundamental problem comes down to how spread out everyone is. Do you think i could get a progamer to work out every day remotely unless he was self motivated to do it himself? I think the ultimate solution is for all pro teams to move to one area but i haven't put enough thought into how realistic that idea is.
If there was a clause in their contract that they had to work out...but that might be more draconian than I like.
On December 30 2011 07:01 Kennigit wrote: . Do you think i could get a progamer to work out every day remotely unless he was self motivated to do it himself?
I think this has more to do with how the events are presented as opposed to gamer presentation.
For example in GSL(easlier seasons), Jinro looked awesome. GOMTV have stylists who spiked his hair, and made him look pretty damn good. Same with many of the other foreigners there...I recall KellyMilkies saying she had a really good time with the stylists at GOMTV.
As for other events it seems to me that the gamers are pretty much on their own, presentation-wise. The likelihood appears low that MLG, Dreamhack etc, would hire hairstylists, makeup artists etc.
Looks is a pretty subjective thing so one man's urban style is another man's ghetto. But who knows, maybe we'll start seeing players dress up in suit/tie but for now we'll probably just see plain clothes and/or casual wear for the foreseeable future.
I agree, if programers worked more on aesthetics, then they themselves could have more fans, and benefit themselves personally, the community, and e-sports in general, if more girls watched.
On December 30 2011 07:01 Kennigit wrote: I think the fundamental problem comes down to how spread out everyone is. Do you think i could get a progamer to work out every day remotely unless he was self motivated to do it himself? I think the ultimate solution is for all pro teams to move to one area but i haven't put enough thought into how realistic that idea is.
But in all seriousness I think that the OP is true. Western idea of gamer is a hermit, someone who spends all their time alone, on their computer just doing pointless things. I think that sex appeal could give a false sense of respect but I think in order to truly get the respect we deserve we need proof that video games are positive on learning and skills much like music or the arts.
The foreign scene has style (much more than the korean scene). The problem you pointed out is one of image. The western progamer has the slovenly IMAGE. The only way to fix that is more exposure for esports.
If the scene really cares enough to try and change the perception of a pro gamer, they should start by looking at EG and TL. Both teams have shining "nerd baller" examples. Fashionable, great at interviews, funny, popular with fans etc.
On December 30 2011 02:22 FrayzZeUsher wrote: The western idea of hardcore gamers being unnatractive and unhealthy is true for the most part! Likely the reason why there are so few female fans in the foreigner scene compared to the asian scene.
The question is, should there be a concious effort to improve the appearance of western pro gamers? let's talk.
why the fuck do we want fans who are only fans for demuslim's hot sexy body? if we want more sc2 fans, i want them to think of the games first, the glistening pecs 2nd
So let me get this straight...you DON'T want a bunch of hot girls getting incredibly randy around you at an SC2 tournament? I mean, DeMuslim already has a very attractive girlfriend...he's not going to take them. They're there for you
What makes you think there will be "a bunch of hot girls getting incredibly randy around you" if a couple pro gamers go jogging some more? You are probably the kind of nerd who screams "OMG SHE'S SO HOT" every time you see any girl affiliated with a video game.
Looking better isn't only good for girls, better looking people get more exposure then ugly people. So look at the bigger picture. You're most likely not gonna become world ESPORT stars looking like the south park guy in the OP.
Name 5 western progamers who are overweight. What's that, you can only name one or two? Oh, so this entire thread is retarded? Thought so.
well to be fair a lot of the players would probably be considered "overweight" by medical standards. obese or unhealthily overweight though you are probably right
sheth, TT1, totalbiscuit.. Who else?
do you mean medically overweight or just fat? cause i would think a lot of pro gamers would be considered "overweight" in the bmi. its a pretty silly system but im just going by technicalities here anyways. i think most pro gamers have a pretty healthy weight. i'd actually say there are more that could stand from gaining some weight than losing weight
On December 30 2011 07:01 Kennigit wrote: I think the fundamental problem comes down to how spread out everyone is. Do you think i could get a progamer to work out every day remotely unless he was self motivated to do it himself? I think the ultimate solution is for all pro teams to move to one area but i haven't put enough thought into how realistic that idea is.
The real question is why aren't you number 1 on studcraft?
On December 30 2011 07:01 Kennigit wrote: I think the fundamental problem comes down to how spread out everyone is. Do you think i could get a progamer to work out every day remotely unless he was self motivated to do it himself? I think the ultimate solution is for all pro teams to move to one area but i haven't put enough thought into how realistic that idea is.
Get an expert personal trainer who can train several people with several lvls of fitness using mostly body weight exercises, light dumbells, and bands.
Cheaper then buying a load of equipment when few have no idea how to use it or progress
OP is fail imo. it has nothing to do with sex appeal. western culture overall is just not geared towards gamers yet... give it a few more decades and things will be much diff
On December 30 2011 07:01 Kennigit wrote: I think the fundamental problem comes down to how spread out everyone is. Do you think i could get a progamer to work out every day remotely unless he was self motivated to do it himself? I think the ultimate solution is for all pro teams to move to one area but i haven't put enough thought into how realistic that idea is.
Get an expert personal trainer who can train several people with several lvls of fitness using mostly body weight exercises, light dumbells, and bands.
Cheaper then buying a load of equipment when few have no idea how to use it or progress
you dont need to work out alot to have a decent body. people are just lazy or dont care enough.
and bro trainers are hella more expensive than buying a set of dumbbells. and theres tons of workout tutorials on the web. people are just not motivated.
On December 30 2011 07:50 PhiliBiRD wrote: OP is fail imo. it has nothing to do with sex appeal. western culture overall is just not geared towards gamers yet... give it a few more decades and things will be much diff
On December 30 2011 07:01 Kennigit wrote: I think the fundamental problem comes down to how spread out everyone is. Do you think i could get a progamer to work out every day remotely unless he was self motivated to do it himself? I think the ultimate solution is for all pro teams to move to one area but i haven't put enough thought into how realistic that idea is.
The real question is why aren't you number 1 on studcraft?
I ask the same question every day. Studcraft is racist against non-players.
On December 30 2011 07:01 Kennigit wrote: I think the fundamental problem comes down to how spread out everyone is. Do you think i could get a progamer to work out every day remotely unless he was self motivated to do it himself? I think the ultimate solution is for all pro teams to move to one area but i haven't put enough thought into how realistic that idea is.
The real question is why aren't you number 1 on studcraft?
I ask the same question every day. Studcraft is racist against non-players.
Btw, I think most SC2 pros are above average looking.. I mean they would not stand out or something from people who are not progamers... I'd even say the SC2 proscene has suprisingly many good looking guys.
This is a GREAT topic and should not be put off. Just because this might not be what YOU want in eSports does not mean it shouldn't. If the stereotype got erased then much more people would not be "ashamed" to watched eSports. Even today i had an argument with someone that said something like, "If you spend all your time hanging out watching those nerds like you do, you won't ever get a girlfriend, get a fucking life man." Instantly put off because it is thought as an anti-female thing to do. If you actually want eSports to grow, you need to realize that sex appeal is how you sell things and this would be a great move forward for the whole movement of eSports.
Lets be honest, most pro gamers aren't great lookers period. No disrespect meant, no flaming, but sc pro gamers aren't the most attractive people in the world. Wow, so horrible, guess what, neither am I, I'm not on some ego trip.
Athletes have the advantage of exercising all the time, eating healthy, and sleeping well. That makes you look better, even if you don't have the best face in the world. Cyber Athletes have to sit down all day, not move, and generally they stay up late to interact with other gamers who the same. That makes you look worse.
Some pro gamers look good, way better than me, that's for sure. But should you really try to ramp up sex appeal when few players have it? Whenever people say oh wow that caster/player is so handsome, what a sexy fella, I kind of groan because it's obviously not true, and it's a lame way to pay a general compliment (which is what they're doing).
If you got the looks, sell 'em, but there's no reason (in my humble opinion) to make a market wide push.
On December 30 2011 02:23 Naniwa wrote: im up for photoshoot any time.
HA! This made me die laughing. I think the western image issue is not with the eSports community, rather the issue is with the general populace that believes in the gaming stereotypes of poor people who live in their mothers basement. Change their opinions and then we are all set.
Gaming is socially acceptable in England. Console gaming at least. Especially this current generation because they've all grown up playing on them. People over here care so much about their consoles though that a lot don't even know what PC Gaming is nevermind E-Sports.
Sorry my friend. I was mostly referring to the United States. Here it is still considered strange to be a gamer, and there are plenty of stereotypes thrown around.
I have to agree with you, but the stereotype of the typical american gamer is very hard to shake off. I think the korean scene needs to be introduced first so others see what gamers can look like, then show them huk and all the rest
The big thing that make us (Gamers/Nerds) look that bad is that in major tournaments people go there without taking showers and hang around contaminating the area with his deadly stinckness!!!
And the whole look like a dumb ass with bigger cloth that needed, or just dont even bother to llok at your closet before wearing something!, I meas.... IF WE SPEND $160 IN A GPU cant we spend 50 in clothes???? I think is not that hard!.
On December 30 2011 05:25 Gheizen64 wrote: Why should some handsome players like TLO, DeMuslim and Tasteless (DAT VOICE) go for metrosexual looks that appeal only teens? For the love of god, let them be adult and handsome like they are instead of androgynous bait for teens. The image "problem" of western gamers you're speaking of is only a perception.
I dont think OP means the metrosexual looks of the koreans, but rather that they arent looked upon like fatsos who does nothing but eat candy and play videogames all day.
So, not looking like July (burn!).
My point is this: where are the "fatsos who does nothing but eat candy and play videogames all day" among the progamers? There aren't a whole lot. Yes, there are some, but there are some Koreans who fit the same mold. The OP acts like there's a massive glut of glutenous progamers out there in the non-Korean scene, and that simply is not true.
For every "fatso" progamer, you can find 2-3 that isn't.
Weight actually matters very little. What does matter is clothing style, and this is a department in which a lot of the foreigners are severely lacking. It's probably because I did some interim jobs at clothes stores like H&M and ZEB, but I kind of cringe when I see people walking around in oversized t-shirts and hoodies, or clothes that just don't match. I cringe even more when I see progamers arrive on stage in leisure wear instead of something more stylish, something more appropriate on stage, confirming one of the clichés of a typical gamer: someone who doesn't know how to dress himself properly. It's not like dressing properly is difficult: a pair of dark blue jeans, a long sleeve shirt (slim fit if you've got the body for it) and a proper haircut and you're set.
Like someone above me said: if you can spend hundreds of dollars on computer hardware, why can't you spend 60 dollars on clothes?
There's a Dutch saying that goes: "De kleren maken de man." I can't translate it but it basically says that the way people look upon you is determined purely by the clothes you wear. It's superficial, I agree, but that's just how it is.
I realize most of you here only care about the games and the person, but image is key if we want esports to grow.
On a sidenote I'd like to add that I agree with the person that said that there are not negative effects of working out or doing sports from time to time. There's literally no reason not to do it. We're living in a culture that does most of its work while being seated. As a student I spend as much hours sitting on a chair as any progamer. I do make sure that I practice sports at least three but preferably four times a week, and I have a job that's somewhat physically demanding. I found out that the more I'm physically in shape, the more I'm mentally in shape as well. Unless you've got some kind of genetic disorder, there's really no reason for anyone to be obese.
Koreans have problem, with appeal now if you ask me, Its easy for a swede or a german to showcase a personality but for a korean that dont even speak English its much harder.
research shows smarter people are generally more attractive than less intelligent ones. Honestly if you look at the pro gamers their all above average looking and they'ld look even better if they just went to the gym once ina while or played some sports. Honestly is the lack of effort and confidence computer nerds have in themselves that make people have the image about us. If we all go like "ey motherfucker wtf is wrong with me playing sc2? nerd? stfu ill back hand you with my mouse hand" every time someone makes fun of you for playing sc2. 90% of the time they wont fight you because most of the people taht make fun of you for a personal preference dont have very much confident in themselves and the risk of losing a fight to a "nerd" is not worth it so they'd just keep talking shit but wont do anything . 10% u get into a fight for Esports. A year or so later people be like damn those people are hardcore. and stereotype erased ^.^
On December 30 2011 09:23 CarelessPride wrote: research shows smarter people are generally more attractive than less intelligent ones. Honestly if you look at the pro gamers their all above average looking and they'ld look even better if they just went to the gym once ina while or played some sports. Honestly is the lack of effort and confidence computer nerds have in themselves that make people have the image about us. If we all go like "ey motherfucker wtf is wrong with me playing sc2? nerd? stfu ill back hand you with my mouse hand" every time someone makes fun of you for playing sc2. 90% of the time they wont fight you because most of the people taht make fun of you for a personal preference dont have very much confident in themselves and the risk of losing a fight to a "nerd" is not worth it so they'd just keep talking shit but wont do anything . 10% u get into a fight for Esports. A year or so later people be like damn those people are hardcore. and stereotype erased ^.^
The single dumbest thing I've read on TL. Thank you good sir.
On December 30 2011 09:09 Gamegene wrote: it's not needed
you can't force someone to change their appearance; this is esports not music.
Pretty much sums it up.
Although I think it would be ok for teams to encourage their players to go to the gym. It's good for the players health, good for the teams image, which means more sponsors.
But I think forcing them to do something like that is not a good idea.
On December 30 2011 09:23 CarelessPride wrote: research shows smarter people are generally more attractive than less intelligent ones. Honestly if you look at the pro gamers their all above average looking and they'ld look even better if they just went to the gym once ina while or played some sports. Honestly is the lack of effort and confidence computer nerds have in themselves that make people have the image about us. If we all go like "ey motherfucker wtf is wrong with me playing sc2? nerd? stfu ill back hand you with my mouse hand" every time someone makes fun of you for playing sc2. 90% of the time they wont fight you because most of the people taht make fun of you for a personal preference dont have very much confident in themselves and the risk of losing a fight to a "nerd" is not worth it so they'd just keep talking shit but wont do anything . 10% u get into a fight for Esports. A year or so later people be like damn those people are hardcore. and stereotype erased ^.^
The single dumbest thing I've read on TL. Thank you good sir.
On December 30 2011 09:23 CarelessPride wrote: research shows smarter people are generally more attractive than less intelligent ones. Honestly if you look at the pro gamers their all above average looking and they'ld look even better if they just went to the gym once ina while or played some sports. Honestly is the lack of effort and confidence computer nerds have in themselves that make people have the image about us. If we all go like "ey motherfucker wtf is wrong with me playing sc2? nerd? stfu ill back hand you with my mouse hand" every time someone makes fun of you for playing sc2. 90% of the time they wont fight you because most of the people taht make fun of you for a personal preference dont have very much confident in themselves and the risk of losing a fight to a "nerd" is not worth it so they'd just keep talking shit but wont do anything . 10% u get into a fight for Esports. A year or so later people be like damn those people are hardcore. and stereotype erased ^.^
Are you saying the foreigners need to put in some more EffOrt to look more attractive? Honestly, HuK seems to be iNcontroL of the way he looks, I mean just look at the way he has ZerO fat. IdrA, after all, is Curious about working out. He goes to the gym and works out, but he is out in a Flash. I hear he is learning some MMA in order to be more fit.
On December 30 2011 09:23 CarelessPride wrote: research shows smarter people are generally more attractive than less intelligent ones. Honestly if you look at the pro gamers their all above average looking and they'ld look even better if they just went to the gym once ina while or played some sports. Honestly is the lack of effort and confidence computer nerds have in themselves that make people have the image about us. If we all go like "ey motherfucker wtf is wrong with me playing sc2? nerd? stfu ill back hand you with my mouse hand" every time someone makes fun of you for playing sc2. 90% of the time they wont fight you because most of the people taht make fun of you for a personal preference dont have very much confident in themselves and the risk of losing a fight to a "nerd" is not worth it so they'd just keep talking shit but wont do anything . 10% u get into a fight for Esports. A year or so later people be like damn those people are hardcore. and stereotype erased ^.^
The single dumbest thing I've read on TL. Thank you good sir.
sorry i started to troll mid way through T.T
mid way through? source of your first sentence and i'll believe that.
I think it can only be good for eSports if pro gamers actually start taking care of how they look, IdrA changed a lot over the years cuz he used to look terrible (now he only needs to get lasik and he's pretty much set)
generally though when you get yourself a girlfriend (or start looking for one) you start to care a bit more about how you dress/look compared to virgins playing games 24/7 who see absolutely no reason to even give any thought about that
The SC2 community isn't that bad though since most of the pros are well over 20 yrs old
Who cares how the male gamers look or how Korea views the foreign players?
We need some cheerleaders for players and at events. Expos have booth babes, I think it's time SC2 has them as well. A tiny black and red cheerleader uniform with the zerg symbol on the top. Dark blue/light blue for terran and yellow/white for protoss.
On December 30 2011 09:53 lavit2099 wrote: A tiny black and red cheerleader uniform with the zerg symbol on the top. Dark blue/light blue for terran and yellow/white for protoss.
On December 30 2011 09:53 lavit2099 wrote: Who cares how the male gamers look or how Korea views the foreign players?
We need some cheerleaders for players and at events. Expos have booth babes, I think it's time SC2 has them as well. A tiny black and red cheerleader uniform with the zerg symbol on the top. Dark blue/light blue for terran and yellow/white for protoss.
there are a bunch of girls from Dr Pepper that are generally quite cute hanging around at MLGs
On December 30 2011 09:53 lavit2099 wrote: Who cares how the male gamers look or how Korea views the foreign players?
We need some cheerleaders for players and at events. Expos have booth babes, I think it's time SC2 has them as well. A tiny black and red cheerleader uniform with the zerg symbol on the top. Dark blue/light blue for terran and yellow/white for protoss.
So here's the deal. You'd like to think you are a suave, complicated, disconnected brain in a box. Turns out you aren't. You're a hairless ape, an evolutionary sneeze away from rolling around in your own faeces and eating the neighbours children. If you are vaguely normal then sex and status hold the keys to your soul. Look at this awesome specimen
All alpha male. All. Day. Long. You look because he broadcasts confidence, he's his own monkey, shuffle a couple chromosomes and you're either trying to sleep with him or be him.
Olwell expects brand A to be the capuchins' favoured product. "Monkeys have been shown in previous studies to really love photographs of alpha males and shots of genitals, and we think this will drive their purchasing habits."
We can wish it were different, we can curse the universe for it's sick sense of humour, but it changes nothing. You want to change the world? You want to put starcraft 2 on ESPN? Start by seeing the world as it is, not how you wish it was. You put people who look and sound like alphas in front of a camera and your audience goes up.
A $40 hair cut is not the same as a once over with a pair of clippers. It would be healthy for the sport if teams or event managers had small grooming budgets. It won't dumb down the game if players spend an extra 5 minutes thinking about what will wear at the LAN the next day. And who cares if some nettard calls you a homo when you post to say that at event X player Y looked like a boss nerd. Of course this is no silver bullet to breaking the esports sound barrier, but if you think it's irrelevant you have your head in the sand.
The great thing is we have a whole new and interesting angle on what it means to be a sex symbol ready to rock and roll from the get go. Sure you can take raw animal magnetism and dress it up
And it helps, we knew he was a boss, now we know he's got cash and taste. But what else can we know about this dapper fellow?
Well now we know he's got the body, the money AND he's smarter than a box of rocks, which is more than can be said for a lot of sportsmen and women.
Think on it
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This isn't reddit, I feel like these monkey pics aren't allowed.
On December 30 2011 07:01 Kennigit wrote: I think the fundamental problem comes down to how spread out everyone is. Do you think i could get a progamer to work out every day remotely unless he was self motivated to do it himself? I think the ultimate solution is for all pro teams to move to one area but i haven't put enough thought into how realistic that idea is.
The real question is why aren't you number 1 on studcraft?
I ask the same question every day. Studcraft is racist against non-players.
Well the casters are on that list. Why not well known, and core community members as well?
On December 30 2011 09:53 lavit2099 wrote: Who cares how the male gamers look or how Korea views the foreign players?
We need some cheerleaders for players and at events. Expos have booth babes, I think it's time SC2 has them as well. A tiny black and red cheerleader uniform with the zerg symbol on the top. Dark blue/light blue for terran and yellow/white for protoss.
This isn't about progamers looking good or exercising regularly, it's about stereotypes that people in our culture have against people who play computer games. As gaming and esports get more "mainstream" and accepted these stereotypes will go away.
On December 30 2011 02:23 Naniwa wrote: im up for photoshoot any time.
On December 30 2011 10:24 Black[CAT] wrote: Fat progamers gives bad impressions. Imagine talking to somebody and pointing out that the fat guy infront of the computer is a progamer. Yea.....
what's wrong with fat?
there are plenty of fat people out there in the non esports world. should i be getting bad vibes from them because they're fat?
That's the way it's meant to be, and it will not change soon, some of it it's to cultural differences, part it's the "technological" aspect. It's like Starcraft on TV argument, both sides have good argumentsm but it really doesn't matter. Do what You want, play games, be a doctor, work as a janitor (no pun intended). Freedom of choice is good. Don't look at others and make them embrace your point of view. If what You do is big/important other people will notice. There is a lot of difference between "cultural worlds" (don't know how to put it well enough), more then you might think. What is accepted in Europe can be blasphemy in Asia and great in US. Do whatever You want, and don't look at what other people think, as longs it's not "hurting" other people it's fine. ( Boy I went so deep with this post)
On December 30 2011 10:24 Black[CAT] wrote: Fat progamers gives bad impressions. Imagine talking to somebody and pointing out that the fat guy infront of the computer is a progamer. Yea.....
Apart from the question whether it's a great deal for e-sports or not, I don't see why foreigner pros should be considered looking less than average? Most foreigners look like totally average guys wearing perfectly standard clothes. I cannot think of more outliers than are expected in any set of this size, this really isn't an issue.
Nani can you please get those stylish clothes Khaldor was talking about you liking? I don't remember the details, but Khaldor told the story during a KSL cast and it sounded incredibly manly and relevant to this thread.
On December 30 2011 09:53 lavit2099 wrote: Who cares how the male gamers look or how Korea views the foreign players?
We need some cheerleaders for players and at events. Expos have booth babes, I think it's time SC2 has them as well. A tiny black and red cheerleader uniform with the zerg symbol on the top. Dark blue/light blue for terran and yellow/white for protoss.
Hahaha you sound like a gay outfit co-ordinator off the tv. Have you already prepared these outfits for the next mlg?
On December 30 2011 09:53 lavit2099 wrote: Who cares how the male gamers look or how Korea views the foreign players?
We need some cheerleaders for players and at events. Expos have booth babes, I think it's time SC2 has them as well. A tiny black and red cheerleader uniform with the zerg symbol on the top. Dark blue/light blue for terran and yellow/white for protoss.
Hahaha you sound like a gay outfit co-ordinator off the tv. Have you already prepared these outfits for the next mlg?
inb4 red text, calling it.
But I do support lavit's idea, I'd be happy if there were some cute cheerleaders at events ^.-
Hiring cute cheerleaders would be like hiring muscled up mascots for fat girls volleyball.
A guy can play great, win championships and everything else, but if when he shows his face on screen, if he hasn't been taking care of himself (I'm not talking about whether he's appealing or not, but his hygiene here) it's going to turn off people. Well, girls mainly. I can see how guys wouldn't really care. Anyone, appealing or not to begin with, that works out or takes care of themselves is going to be seen in a better light than someone who stays up 22hrs out of 24 and only showers once a week.
tldr; I agree with a better image for pro gamers, and I don't think white-ra looks funny ;o! But he has gotten a pot belly (._.) someone take that man to the gym! He could be so sexy <.< such a waste!
On December 30 2011 11:56 yellowbluebus wrote: Hiring cute cheerleaders would be like hiring muscled up mascots for fat girls volleyball.
A guy can play great, win championships and everything else, but if when he shows his face on screen, if he hasn't been taking care of himself (I'm not talking about whether he's appealing or not, but his hygiene here) it's going to turn off people. Well, girls mainly. I can see how guys wouldn't really care. Anyone, appealing or not to begin with, that works out or takes care of themselves is going to be seen in a better light than someone who stays up 22hrs out of 24 and only showers once a week.
tldr; I agree with a better image for pro gamers, and I don't think white-ra looks funny ;o! But he has gotten a pot belly (._.) someone take that man to the gym! He could be so sexy <.< such a waste!
unattractive males that are unattractive due to their own choice, I.E. not taking care of their hygeine, hair, facial hair, or having absolutely no sense of style makes me NOT want to watch them, or root for them in tournaments regardless of playstyle or skill. I'm a straight male at that, so I could only imagine what a turn-off it would be for a straight girl or gay man to see a sloppy person in eSports, and formulate thier opinion of it as a whole off of them. A single negative image can outweigh multiple positive images.
On December 30 2011 10:24 Black[CAT] wrote: Fat progamers gives bad impressions. Imagine talking to somebody and pointing out that the fat guy infront of the computer is a progamer. Yea.....
what's wrong with fat?
Well...it's unhealthy? Like, on a personal level, it's just not a good thing to be fat.
On December 30 2011 11:56 yellowbluebus wrote: Hiring cute cheerleaders would be like hiring muscled up mascots for fat girls volleyball.
A guy can play great, win championships and everything else, but if when he shows his face on screen, if he hasn't been taking care of himself (I'm not talking about whether he's appealing or not, but his hygiene here) it's going to turn off people. Well, girls mainly. I can see how guys wouldn't really care. Anyone, appealing or not to begin with, that works out or takes care of themselves is going to be seen in a better light than someone who stays up 22hrs out of 24 and only showers once a week.
tldr; I agree with a better image for pro gamers, and I don't think white-ra looks funny ;o! But he has gotten a pot belly (._.) someone take that man to the gym! He could be so sexy <.< such a waste!
unattractive males that are unattractive due to their own choice, I.E. not taking care of their hygeine, hair, facial hair, or having absolutely no sense of style makes me NOT want to watch them, or root for them in tournaments regardless of playstyle or skill. I'm a straight male at that, so I could only imagine what a turn-off it would be for a straight girl or gay man to see a sloppy person in eSports, and formulate thier opinion of it as a whole off of them. A single negative image can outweigh multiple positive images.
It's unfortunate but it's true; appearance matters.
I don't know.. I think that the majority of progamers that we see at events aren't fat or have really bad style or anything. Most of them wear just average stuff and are physically fine. There are a few of them that are out of shape, but there are also koreans that are to.
On December 30 2011 12:58 OxyFuel wrote: I don't know.. I think that the majority of progamers that we see at events aren't fat or have really bad style or anything. Most of them wear just average stuff and are physically fine. There are a few of them that are out of shape, but there are also koreans that are to.
I agree with this - wtf is with this reputation that all NON-korean progamers are unattractive? I'd say the ratio of attractive - unattractive or fit - out of shape is the same in both korea and the rest of the world. I don't think that sc2 is in desperate need of sex appeal because 1. It already exists 2. Nobody cares.
On December 30 2011 02:25 SkullZ9 wrote: Maybe you are not wrong, but i'm glad there is no "Nestea's body" or "look @ Virus he is sooooo cute" (references to Bisu worship) in sc2 forums..
Yeah, it's fucking pathetic. I'm glad we have none of that crap here. Fix game balance first, fix maps first, fix the ugly ass bnet minus two point crap oh interface and system, add a banlist for hackers, add a 'rejoin game after disc' feature, bring back clan functionality and FUCKING REAL chat channels...and only then...only then, ruin the scene with idiotic music and terribad metrohomo approaches.
I care about how players play, not about how they look. If I want to see beautiful people, esports is not my first resource...and it shouldn't be.
And while you're at it, get rid of the retarded 'hwaiting' phrase, it makes me picture those who say it as unable to utter the word 'waiting' properly, like if there were something stuck in their throats and they dragged the H to places they shouldn't.
In a nutshell, keep e-sports gaming related, thanks.
I think that korea might have less AVERAGE (not too unattractive not too attractive) looking progamers than the west, but it has just as many unattractive ones.
On December 30 2011 02:25 SkullZ9 wrote: Maybe you are not wrong, but i'm glad there is no "Nestea's body" or "look @ Virus he is sooooo cute" (references to Bisu worship) in sc2 forums..
Yeah, it's fucking pathetic. I'm glad we have none of that crap here. Fix game balance first, fix maps first, fix the ugly ass bnet minus two point crap oh interface and system, add a banlist for hackers, add a 'rejoin game after disc' feature, bring back clan functionality and FUCKING REAL chat channels...and only then...only then, ruin the scene with idiotic music and terribad metrohomo approaches.
I care about how players play, not about how they look. If I want to see beautiful people, esports is not my first resource...and it shouldn't be.
And while you're at it, get rid of the retarded 'hwaiting' phrase, it makes me picture those who say it as unable to utter the word 'waiting' properly, like if there were something stuck in their throats and they dragged the H to places they shouldn't.
In a nutshell, keep e-sports gaming related, thanks.
Well the thing is, is that it's just BW culture. Not esports culture. These things kinda carried over, since, you know, both games are starcraft. It was here before SC2 was, and it's not a big deal if it happens within our culture a little.
But to be honest, it'd be nice for the general public to not consider most pro-gamers pimply fat nerds who live in their mother's basements. Granted, I think the OP is over concerned (there's not that many bad looking players), but still. Image can help esports expand. And expansion is good, right?
Rofled at the South Park episode's gamer :D (great idea!)
I dont know what you mean with "sex" but I suppose it is like "character"? well we have IdrA, White-Ra and.... well I guess thats it.. If sc2 wants to grow it needs more gamers with character but I have no problem how the things are at the moment.
edit: if you mean with "sex appeal" looks, thats just stupid.
As someone pointed out earlier, Korean society is overly obsessed with the superficial. Like in any classical asian setting, women are still relegated to lesser roles but who cares you say, they got a boob-job or whatever...
Pro-athletes better look good cause all they do everyday is work out. You'd expect them to look good. That doesn't change the fact that C.Ronaldo for example is but a joke who poses more than he plays. I want to see him score, not open his legs like a cocky whore every time he's about to make a shot.
Likewise for e-sports, one thing is being presentable and another is buying into all this superficial, let's cross-dress and go metro crap. Yes, some of the gay members of the TL community seem to be delighted by these kinds of things, but surely there's more TL'ers out there who in average would like to see more improvement on the gaming side of things. Then again, although I respect sexual choices...it doesn't mean I enforce my own on others. Just because some gay gamers love these kinds of things, I need to pay for it? So perhaps they should pay for my taste too and, instead of having post-match interviews or those terrible kpop videos I always mute, we'll get mud-fights with the cute girls instead...wrong
If you were to broadcast the Korean BW Proscene in any mainstream channel in any major western country, you'd get a major laugh from most people, not respect.
Chess is respected in the west as a high-level intellectual activity. That is the kind of respect I wish e-sports and sc/sc2 had. Does Kasparov work-out? I don't know, I don't care. Did Bobby Fisher get hairgel or cross-dress? I hope not nor do I care. It's their mental prowess people look after.
Why taint SC2 just because 1 country has 1 particular way of doing things? E-sports is now global, not just korean.
Even though pro-gamers are generally viewed more positively in terms of their appearance in Korea compared to the west, not all of the Korean pro-gamers are considered to have celebrity good looks, with the exception of Bisu I can't think of anyone who could immediately be put into that category. But I think pro-gamers from anywhere today are quite well groomed, the western impression of obese unhygienic pro-gamer is in the past. I don't think anyone who knows a thing about professional gaming would have that impression.
On December 30 2011 14:06 SacredSystem wrote: there is a reason why the foreign scene has idra, he is the north american equivalent of jaedong in both skill and looks
In terms of looks? Go to any engineering college in the USA, and you'll see tons of guys who resemble him strongly. He quite literally looks like just another white nerd studying Mech-E or something. >_>
On December 30 2011 14:06 SacredSystem wrote: there is a reason why the foreign scene has idra, he is the north american equivalent of jaedong in both skill and looks
In terms of looks? Go to any engineering college in the USA, and you'll see tons of guys who resemble him strongly. He quite literally looks like just another white nerd studying Mech-E or something. >_>
Idra definitely looks like the one of the most average and sterotypical nerd types around. I think that's partly why many find it entertaining that there is so much rage within such a plain looking guy.
ok lets put the funny stuff out of the way but i think this thread got a point. Our idolizing system for progamer is not developed enough. Hell look at congress voting on sopa, they still call computer technician 'nerds'. The image of people who are related to CS/Math major or play games in general is ruined from the very deep of western culture and we need to fix that.
I suggest we should start making badass intro videos and do more modeling pictures like this in a manlier ways:
I don't know if you guys care, but I have grown through MLG as a Console Halo Player, I want to let you know that no matter what our "spokes person" says you guys are better and you completely gave them the dick by posting this thread, even though it is in just a playful manner. But to clarify things from our end, I think that video they made was awful and most of the other pro console players, who are aware of what sc is, think the same thing as well.
On December 30 2011 16:23 Fraguh wrote: I don't know if you guys care, but I have grown through MLG as a Console Halo Player, I want to let you know that no matter what our "spokes person" says you guys are better and you completely gave them the dick by posting this thread, even though it is in just a playful manner. But to clarify things from our end, I think that video they made was awful and most of the other pro console players, who are aware of what sc is, think the same thing as well.
I am very disappointed in this thread. We're NERDS! If our boys dont have six-packs, then we have the photoshop talent to start putting their faces on male models that do. NOW GET TO IT BOYS!
On December 30 2011 13:47 Suvorov wrote: As someone pointed out earlier, Korean society is overly obsessed with the superficial. Like in any classical asian setting, women are still relegated to lesser roles but who cares you say, they got a boob-job or whatever...
Pro-athletes better look good cause all they do everyday is work out. You'd expect them to look good. That doesn't change the fact that C.Ronaldo for example is but a joke who poses more than he plays. I want to see him score, not open his legs like a cocky whore every time he's about to make a shot.
Likewise for e-sports, one thing is being presentable and another is buying into all this superficial, let's cross-dress and go metro crap. Yes, some of the gay members of the TL community seem to be delighted by these kinds of things, but surely there's more TL'ers out there who in average would like to see more improvement on the gaming side of things. Then again, although I respect sexual choices...it doesn't mean I enforce my own on others. Just because some gay gamers love these kinds of things, I need to pay for it? So perhaps they should pay for my taste too and, instead of having post-match interviews or those terrible kpop videos I always mute, we'll get mud-fights with the cute girls instead...wrong
If you were to broadcast the Korean BW Proscene in any mainstream channel in any major western country, you'd get a major laugh from most people, not respect.
Chess is respected in the west as a high-level intellectual activity. That is the kind of respect I wish e-sports and sc/sc2 had. Does Kasparov work-out? I don't know, I don't care. Did Bobby Fisher get hairgel or cross-dress? I hope not nor do I care. It's their mental prowess people look after.
Why taint SC2 just because 1 country has 1 particular way of doing things? E-sports is now global, not just korean.
I find this post so offensive toward the Korean scene that developed the Starcraft community.
On December 30 2011 15:25 Khai wrote: Even though pro-gamers are generally viewed more positively in terms of their appearance in Korea compared to the west, not all of the Korean pro-gamers are considered to have celebrity good looks, with the exception of Bisu I can't think of anyone who could immediately be put into that category. But I think pro-gamers from anywhere today are quite well groomed, the western impression of obese unhygienic pro-gamer is in the past. I don't think anyone who knows a thing about professional gaming would have that impression.
hmm, boxer used to have celebrity looks before, now he's a bit older of course
as for above average...maybe jaedong, hoejja, modesty off the top of my head. i'm sure there's more. this being based on my completely heterosexual east asian guy viewpoint.
On December 30 2011 02:22 FrayzZeUsher wrote: People talk about spreading esports so much, yet everyone seems to ignore the elephant in the room. Western pro-gamers need style!
Western concept of a 'pro gamer':
Korean concept of a 'pro gamer':
I believe the pro scene of broodwar has been popularised due to reinvented image of a hardcore gamer, this is largely responsible due to Kespa's regulations of keeping the pros in a exercise regime to keep the players active and healthy looking and encourages them to behave and look a certain way. This caused female fans to become more accepting to esports, after all 50% of the population are girls
The western idea of hardcore gamers being unnatractive and unhealthy is true for the most part! Likely the reason why there are so few female fans in the foreigner scene compared to the asian scene.
The question is, should there be a concious effort to improve the appearance of western pro gamers? let's talk.
That's the western concept of a GAMER not a PRO GAMER. Fail harder.
On December 30 2011 03:00 nhaita wrote: But the first picture in OP is exactly how pro gamers in west are. Most of them overweight, do not spend any time on their looks, don't go to showers (lan events. smell them.). Anyway, breaking this stereotype will be VERY hard.
... The majority of the higher tier SC2pros I've seen outside Korea are in good shape?
On December 30 2011 03:00 nhaita wrote: But the first picture in OP is exactly how pro gamers in west are. Most of them overweight, do not spend any time on their looks, don't go to showers (lan events. smell them.). Anyway, breaking this stereotype will be VERY hard.
... The majority of the higher tier SC2pros I've seen outside Korea are in good shape?
Yeah, this is a really ridiculous generalization. I've been to LAN events and met plenty of pro gamers in person, and they're just normal people, not unwashed basement dwellers. As for mostly being overweight, that's just silly. Certainly the proportion is no worse than the general population of people who earn their livings sitting in front of computers. Thinking through the American progamers that immediately come to mind, I'd say they're on average in better shape than a random sampling of 20-something American office workers.
First things first Western esports IS NOT A SYNONYM OF SC2. I know I know, 95% of ppl on this forum think so, but anyway.
I think pro gamers in the west look relatively healthy and ok. There are some overweight ppl but there are overweight ppl in any random group of people.
People need to stop jerking off to Korean gamers like they are some kind of gods, and just train harder.
And why is that everyone thinks StarCraft is HUGE IN KOREA. It's not that huge.
I am completely straight, but if Tyler, HuK, Tasteless, Demuslim, TLO, or Grubby tried to seduce me and have their way with me I would not try and stop it.
On December 30 2011 14:06 SacredSystem wrote: there is a reason why the foreign scene has idra, he is the north american equivalent of jaedong in both skill and looks
In terms of looks? Go to any engineering college in the USA, and you'll see tons of guys who resemble him strongly. He quite literally looks like just another white nerd studying Mech-E or something. >_>
As a Mech-E major, most people I know don't actually look nerdy at all.
On December 30 2011 10:24 Black[CAT] wrote: Fat progamers gives bad impressions. Imagine talking to somebody and pointing out that the fat guy infront of the computer is a progamer. Yea.....
what's wrong with fat?
Well...it's unhealthy? Like, on a personal level, it's just not a good thing to be fat.
On December 30 2011 11:56 yellowbluebus wrote: Hiring cute cheerleaders would be like hiring muscled up mascots for fat girls volleyball.
A guy can play great, win championships and everything else, but if when he shows his face on screen, if he hasn't been taking care of himself (I'm not talking about whether he's appealing or not, but his hygiene here) it's going to turn off people. Well, girls mainly. I can see how guys wouldn't really care. Anyone, appealing or not to begin with, that works out or takes care of themselves is going to be seen in a better light than someone who stays up 22hrs out of 24 and only showers once a week.
tldr; I agree with a better image for pro gamers, and I don't think white-ra looks funny ;o! But he has gotten a pot belly (._.) someone take that man to the gym! He could be so sexy <.< such a waste!
unattractive males that are unattractive due to their own choice, I.E. not taking care of their hygeine, hair, facial hair, or having absolutely no sense of style makes me NOT want to watch them, or root for them in tournaments regardless of playstyle or skill. I'm a straight male at that, so I could only imagine what a turn-off it would be for a straight girl or gay man to see a sloppy person in eSports, and formulate thier opinion of it as a whole off of them. A single negative image can outweigh multiple positive images.
It's unfortunate but it's true; appearance matters.
Being fat is not unnatural, there can certainly be advantages (physically) to it. Just because someone isn't overweight doesn't mean they aren't unhealthy as shit.
Also I don't get how someone would not root for a player based on their facial hair or "lack of style." If that is you proof that apparence matters, then we have different definitions of what "matters."
On December 30 2011 10:24 Black[CAT] wrote: Fat progamers gives bad impressions. Imagine talking to somebody and pointing out that the fat guy infront of the computer is a progamer. Yea.....
what's wrong with fat?
Well...it's unhealthy? Like, on a personal level, it's just not a good thing to be fat.
On December 30 2011 12:03 N1ghtshade wrote:
On December 30 2011 11:56 yellowbluebus wrote: Hiring cute cheerleaders would be like hiring muscled up mascots for fat girls volleyball.
A guy can play great, win championships and everything else, but if when he shows his face on screen, if he hasn't been taking care of himself (I'm not talking about whether he's appealing or not, but his hygiene here) it's going to turn off people. Well, girls mainly. I can see how guys wouldn't really care. Anyone, appealing or not to begin with, that works out or takes care of themselves is going to be seen in a better light than someone who stays up 22hrs out of 24 and only showers once a week.
tldr; I agree with a better image for pro gamers, and I don't think white-ra looks funny ;o! But he has gotten a pot belly (._.) someone take that man to the gym! He could be so sexy <.< such a waste!
unattractive males that are unattractive due to their own choice, I.E. not taking care of their hygeine, hair, facial hair, or having absolutely no sense of style makes me NOT want to watch them, or root for them in tournaments regardless of playstyle or skill. I'm a straight male at that, so I could only imagine what a turn-off it would be for a straight girl or gay man to see a sloppy person in eSports, and formulate thier opinion of it as a whole off of them. A single negative image can outweigh multiple positive images.
It's unfortunate but it's true; appearance matters.
Being fat is not unnatural, there can certainly be advantages (physically) to it. Just because someone isn't overweight doesn't mean they aren't unhealthy as shit.
Also I don't get how someone would not root for a player based on their facial hair or "lack of style." If that is you proof that apparence matters, then we have different definitions of what "matters."
Then they aren't really "fat", they're just "big". Fat, in today's language, implies a degree of overweightness that is unhealthy and/or not attractive.
On December 30 2011 10:24 Black[CAT] wrote: Fat progamers gives bad impressions. Imagine talking to somebody and pointing out that the fat guy infront of the computer is a progamer. Yea.....
what's wrong with fat?
Well...it's unhealthy? Like, on a personal level, it's just not a good thing to be fat.
On December 30 2011 12:03 N1ghtshade wrote:
On December 30 2011 11:56 yellowbluebus wrote: Hiring cute cheerleaders would be like hiring muscled up mascots for fat girls volleyball.
A guy can play great, win championships and everything else, but if when he shows his face on screen, if he hasn't been taking care of himself (I'm not talking about whether he's appealing or not, but his hygiene here) it's going to turn off people. Well, girls mainly. I can see how guys wouldn't really care. Anyone, appealing or not to begin with, that works out or takes care of themselves is going to be seen in a better light than someone who stays up 22hrs out of 24 and only showers once a week.
tldr; I agree with a better image for pro gamers, and I don't think white-ra looks funny ;o! But he has gotten a pot belly (._.) someone take that man to the gym! He could be so sexy <.< such a waste!
unattractive males that are unattractive due to their own choice, I.E. not taking care of their hygeine, hair, facial hair, or having absolutely no sense of style makes me NOT want to watch them, or root for them in tournaments regardless of playstyle or skill. I'm a straight male at that, so I could only imagine what a turn-off it would be for a straight girl or gay man to see a sloppy person in eSports, and formulate thier opinion of it as a whole off of them. A single negative image can outweigh multiple positive images.
It's unfortunate but it's true; appearance matters.
Being fat is not unnatural, there can certainly be advantages (physically) to it. Just because someone isn't overweight doesn't mean they aren't unhealthy as shit.
Also I don't get how someone would not root for a player based on their facial hair or "lack of style." If that is you proof that apparence matters, then we have different definitions of what "matters."
Then they aren't really "fat", they're just "big". Fat, in today's language, implies a degree of overweightness that is unhealthy and/or not attractive.
This, i wouldnt really consider Incontrol "fat" for example like aparantly a lot of trolls have, especially considering he can bench nearly 200kg.
There is a difference between bodybuilding and actually lifting weights for strengh which a lot of people dont see, bodybuilders usually just seek to make themselves "look good" and not actuly get the best lifts etc, which requires a lot more body mass.
On December 30 2011 10:24 Black[CAT] wrote: Fat progamers gives bad impressions. Imagine talking to somebody and pointing out that the fat guy infront of the computer is a progamer. Yea.....
what's wrong with fat?
Well...it's unhealthy? Like, on a personal level, it's just not a good thing to be fat.
On December 30 2011 12:03 N1ghtshade wrote:
On December 30 2011 11:56 yellowbluebus wrote: Hiring cute cheerleaders would be like hiring muscled up mascots for fat girls volleyball.
A guy can play great, win championships and everything else, but if when he shows his face on screen, if he hasn't been taking care of himself (I'm not talking about whether he's appealing or not, but his hygiene here) it's going to turn off people. Well, girls mainly. I can see how guys wouldn't really care. Anyone, appealing or not to begin with, that works out or takes care of themselves is going to be seen in a better light than someone who stays up 22hrs out of 24 and only showers once a week.
tldr; I agree with a better image for pro gamers, and I don't think white-ra looks funny ;o! But he has gotten a pot belly (._.) someone take that man to the gym! He could be so sexy <.< such a waste!
unattractive males that are unattractive due to their own choice, I.E. not taking care of their hygeine, hair, facial hair, or having absolutely no sense of style makes me NOT want to watch them, or root for them in tournaments regardless of playstyle or skill. I'm a straight male at that, so I could only imagine what a turn-off it would be for a straight girl or gay man to see a sloppy person in eSports, and formulate thier opinion of it as a whole off of them. A single negative image can outweigh multiple positive images.
It's unfortunate but it's true; appearance matters.
Being fat is not unnatural, there can certainly be advantages (physically) to it. Just because someone isn't overweight doesn't mean they aren't unhealthy as shit.
Also I don't get how someone would not root for a player based on their facial hair or "lack of style." If that is you proof that apparence matters, then we have different definitions of what "matters."
Then they aren't really "fat", they're just "big". Fat, in today's language, implies a degree of overweightness that is unhealthy and/or not attractive.
This, i wouldnt really consider Incontrol "fat" for example like aparantly a lot of trolls have, especially considering he can bench nearly 200kg.
There is a difference between bodybuilding and actually lifting weights for strengh which a lot of people dont see, bodybuilders usually just seek to make themselves "look good" and not actuly get the best lifts etc, which requires a lot more body mass.
That's only the case if you're in a heavy-weight class, where the you can wheigh whatever. Having more weight will give you better leverages and allow you to lift more but more muscle is better than leverage. So if you compete at 100kg, someone at 10% bf will lift more than someone at 20% bf, assuming equal strength training.
On December 30 2011 02:23 Naniwa wrote: im up for photoshoot any time.
You win at Awesome Awards for being the first to comment with that. Also, pics or it didn't happen!
On topic: For most athletes their skill to do well in their chosen sport adds a whole lot to their sex appeal. You can't keep your fanbase entertained by being pretty. Unless you play naked, which wouldn't go that well in Korea, I guess...
On December 30 2011 10:24 Black[CAT] wrote: Fat progamers gives bad impressions. Imagine talking to somebody and pointing out that the fat guy infront of the computer is a progamer. Yea.....
what's wrong with fat?
Well...it's unhealthy? Like, on a personal level, it's just not a good thing to be fat.
On December 30 2011 12:03 N1ghtshade wrote:
On December 30 2011 11:56 yellowbluebus wrote: Hiring cute cheerleaders would be like hiring muscled up mascots for fat girls volleyball.
A guy can play great, win championships and everything else, but if when he shows his face on screen, if he hasn't been taking care of himself (I'm not talking about whether he's appealing or not, but his hygiene here) it's going to turn off people. Well, girls mainly. I can see how guys wouldn't really care. Anyone, appealing or not to begin with, that works out or takes care of themselves is going to be seen in a better light than someone who stays up 22hrs out of 24 and only showers once a week.
tldr; I agree with a better image for pro gamers, and I don't think white-ra looks funny ;o! But he has gotten a pot belly (._.) someone take that man to the gym! He could be so sexy <.< such a waste!
unattractive males that are unattractive due to their own choice, I.E. not taking care of their hygeine, hair, facial hair, or having absolutely no sense of style makes me NOT want to watch them, or root for them in tournaments regardless of playstyle or skill. I'm a straight male at that, so I could only imagine what a turn-off it would be for a straight girl or gay man to see a sloppy person in eSports, and formulate thier opinion of it as a whole off of them. A single negative image can outweigh multiple positive images.
It's unfortunate but it's true; appearance matters.
Being fat is not unnatural, there can certainly be advantages (physically) to it. Just because someone isn't overweight doesn't mean they aren't unhealthy as shit.
Also I don't get how someone would not root for a player based on their facial hair or "lack of style." If that is you proof that apparence matters, then we have different definitions of what "matters."
Then they aren't really "fat", they're just "big". Fat, in today's language, implies a degree of overweightness that is unhealthy and/or not attractive.
This, i wouldnt really consider Incontrol "fat" for example like aparantly a lot of trolls have, especially considering he can bench nearly 200kg.
There is a difference between bodybuilding and actually lifting weights for strengh which a lot of people dont see, bodybuilders usually just seek to make themselves "look good" and not actuly get the best lifts etc, which requires a lot more body mass.
That's only the case if you're in a heavy-weight class, where the you can wheigh whatever. Having more weight will give you better leverages and allow you to lift more but more muscle is better than leverage. So if you compete at 100kg, someone at 10% bf will lift more than someone at 20% bf, assuming equal strength training.
That is a complete lie. There is a reason why Bodybuilders cannot actually lift the same weight as power lifters, bodybuilding is very unhealthy for you. You are literally starving and dehydrating yourself on purpose to reach that body. Powerlifting requires a lot of core muscle, which is located at your belly button. That is why they seem to be fat.
On December 30 2011 10:24 Black[CAT] wrote: Fat progamers gives bad impressions. Imagine talking to somebody and pointing out that the fat guy infront of the computer is a progamer. Yea.....
what's wrong with fat?
Well...it's unhealthy? Like, on a personal level, it's just not a good thing to be fat.
On December 30 2011 12:03 N1ghtshade wrote:
On December 30 2011 11:56 yellowbluebus wrote: Hiring cute cheerleaders would be like hiring muscled up mascots for fat girls volleyball.
A guy can play great, win championships and everything else, but if when he shows his face on screen, if he hasn't been taking care of himself (I'm not talking about whether he's appealing or not, but his hygiene here) it's going to turn off people. Well, girls mainly. I can see how guys wouldn't really care. Anyone, appealing or not to begin with, that works out or takes care of themselves is going to be seen in a better light than someone who stays up 22hrs out of 24 and only showers once a week.
tldr; I agree with a better image for pro gamers, and I don't think white-ra looks funny ;o! But he has gotten a pot belly (._.) someone take that man to the gym! He could be so sexy <.< such a waste!
unattractive males that are unattractive due to their own choice, I.E. not taking care of their hygeine, hair, facial hair, or having absolutely no sense of style makes me NOT want to watch them, or root for them in tournaments regardless of playstyle or skill. I'm a straight male at that, so I could only imagine what a turn-off it would be for a straight girl or gay man to see a sloppy person in eSports, and formulate thier opinion of it as a whole off of them. A single negative image can outweigh multiple positive images.
It's unfortunate but it's true; appearance matters.
Being fat is not unnatural, there can certainly be advantages (physically) to it. Just because someone isn't overweight doesn't mean they aren't unhealthy as shit.
Also I don't get how someone would not root for a player based on their facial hair or "lack of style." If that is you proof that apparence matters, then we have different definitions of what "matters."
Then they aren't really "fat", they're just "big". Fat, in today's language, implies a degree of overweightness that is unhealthy and/or not attractive.
This, i wouldnt really consider Incontrol "fat" for example like aparantly a lot of trolls have, especially considering he can bench nearly 200kg.
There is a difference between bodybuilding and actually lifting weights for strengh which a lot of people dont see, bodybuilders usually just seek to make themselves "look good" and not actuly get the best lifts etc, which requires a lot more body mass.
That's only the case if you're in a heavy-weight class, where the you can wheigh whatever. Having more weight will give you better leverages and allow you to lift more but more muscle is better than leverage. So if you compete at 100kg, someone at 10% bf will lift more than someone at 20% bf, assuming equal strength training.
That is a complete lie. There is a reason why Bodybuilders cannot actually lift the same weight as power lifters, bodybuilding is very unhealthy for you. You are literally starving and dehydrating yourself on purpose to reach that body. Powerlifting requires a lot of core muscle, which is located at your belly button. That is why they seem to be fat.
The only reason bodybuilders(most) lift less than powerlifters is because they train differently, and I clearly stated same training in my post. And no matter how strong your core is it will never make you look fat, because abs and obliques are very small muscles. Big obliques will make you appear wider, but not fat. They look fat because they are fat. Nothing else.
Any bodybuilder who goes into a contest dehydrated is retarded since it's both dangerous, and because you WANT water to fill up your muscle cells, which makes them look bigger. By not drinking any water you will look flat and soft on stage. Also, Bodybuilding isn't even remotely unhealthy unless you pump your ass full off anabolic substances.
I believe this to be off-topic so I won't engage in further conversation about this.
imo overall what foreigners lack compared to koreans in e-sports is more about skill than sex appeal. and i dont care that much about the look of the players. maybe its an orientaion issue though
It´s not about looking. It´s about how healty you live. If you aren´t eating healty and you are not doing any sports aside from Starcraft it´s no wonder that some people don´t think you are attractive. There aren´t many people that are natuarlly ugly.
Well, the USA is well-known for having a high population of fat people. If that ever changed I think it would be too weird. Good luck prying that Mnt Dew and Doritos from americans. You will have to fight them to the death
And yes I am american and I am fat. It's just how we are. Everyone has the right to be different
On December 31 2011 07:30 ishyishy wrote: Well, the USA is well-known for having a high population of fat people. If that ever changed I think it would be too weird. Good luck prying that Mnt Dew and Doritos from americans. You will have to fight them to the death
And yes I am american and I am fat. It's just how we are. Everyone has the right to be different
Not every SC2 player is fat and overweight, here's an old funny video of my broskis: + Show Spoiler +
These korean gamers are so badass. Sleeveless shirts and photoshopped arms only add to the hardcore badass factor. Just imagine, at any instant they could suffer from carpal tunnel or perhaps a light induced epileptic fit - so courageous.
Honestly, women aren't the biggest fans of sports in the "foreign" world regardless of the sport. They simply value different things (in general) than men.
"The western idea of hardcore gamers being unnatractive and unhealthy is true for the most part! Likely the reason why there are so few female fans in the foreigner scene compared to the asian scene."
To be painfully honest, when the best "athletes" from Korea are video game players of course Korean women are going to be attracted to them. The pride of the korean nation seems to be esports players because they are the best internationally. In the foreign world, the best and most popular athletes play sports like soccer, football, baseball, and basketball among others. And, these men dominate these sports and therefore attract admiration from the people in their own nation.
Im sure that if Korea had the best soccer players and teams the majority of female sports enthusiasts would focus on both soccer and the sport's players. When a nation posseses the best players in one sport compared to another, it expresses that the nation (as a product of the people interests) values that sport and its attributes more than any other. Hence, Korea values not the ability to run fast or jump high, but the ability to think fast and strategize in varying situations. It's only secondary that these Korean gentleman are in above average shape and focus more on their appearance than their foreign counterparts. This only compounds the female fan's admiration - it doesn't create it.
Simply put, putting Idra in designer fashions and giving him a makeover and workout routine will not increase the viewership of esports. In order for esports to be a legitimate sport capable of competing with the more physical forms of sport, a severe change in the ideals of the foreigner needs to occur. Dolling up the gamers won't do crap.
bisu is wonderfully attractive, if he were in a kpop boy band he would still shine like a star there is no one like that here. if you put any non korean progamer in like, nsync, he would be laughed at as the ugly one.
On December 30 2011 02:25 SkullZ9 wrote: Maybe you are not wrong, but i'm glad there is no "Nestea's body" or "look @ Virus he is sooooo cute" (references to Bisu worship) in sc2 forums..
Yeah, it's fucking pathetic. I'm glad we have none of that crap here. Fix game balance first, fix maps first, fix the ugly ass bnet minus two point crap oh interface and system, add a banlist for hackers, add a 'rejoin game after disc' feature, bring back clan functionality and FUCKING REAL chat channels...and only then...only then, ruin the scene with idiotic music and terribad metrohomo approaches.
I care about how players play, not about how they look. If I want to see beautiful people, esports is not my first resource...and it shouldn't be.
And while you're at it, get rid of the retarded 'hwaiting' phrase, it makes me picture those who say it as unable to utter the word 'waiting' properly, like if there were something stuck in their throats and they dragged the H to places they shouldn't.
In a nutshell, keep e-sports gaming related, thanks.
I find myself agreeing with this post, as uncomfortable as it is for me to say that. I have no problem with homosexuality, but jumping into the SC2 scene and finding everyone calling the dudes up there " cute" or "handsome" is kinda off putting for anyone who wants to get into e-sports. I never understood how that even became the norm here in the first place.
Also agree with "hwaiting". Theyre saying the word "fighting", why not spell it that way? You know the Koreans who actually say it don't even spell it "hwaiting" because they got their own writing system. It also just sounds goofy ass hell to anyone unless youre actually a Korean person living in Korea. Not a big deal tho, just a pet peeve. Its like when Japanese people add English to their song lyrics, it usually just sounds retarded because theyre copying another culture and not doing it well at all.
On December 30 2011 03:40 Kwanny wrote: Just because you're not overweight doesn't make you handsome nor does it give you sex appeal. That's something you have to work for. And either openly admitting or unconsiously, you'll have a biased opinion on a person based on their looks. Also, try to tell me that sexy people don't draw attention, because they do. And if pros don't want to shape themselves for the sake of eSports, they should consider it for the sake of their own marketing.
I don't find many foreigners attractive looking period, and in my opinion none of the foreigners have that "cute" look a lot of koreans have...just because they're foreigners and that look just doesn't happen.
personally though, i'd just be happy if some of the pro's didn't show up looking like they hadn't showered in a week and then rolled themselves in butter and hair gel to try to cover the smell and natural grease.
On December 30 2011 03:00 nhaita wrote: But the first picture in OP is exactly how pro gamers in west are. Most of them overweight, do not spend any time on their looks, don't go to showers (lan events. smell them.). Anyway, breaking this stereotype will be VERY hard.
On December 30 2011 02:25 SkullZ9 wrote: Maybe you are not wrong, but i'm glad there is no "Nestea's body" or "look @ Virus he is sooooo cute" (references to Bisu worship) in sc2 forums..
Yeah, it's fucking pathetic. I'm glad we have none of that crap here. Fix game balance first, fix maps first, fix the ugly ass bnet minus two point crap oh interface and system, add a banlist for hackers, add a 'rejoin game after disc' feature, bring back clan functionality and FUCKING REAL chat channels...and only then...only then, ruin the scene with idiotic music and terribad metrohomo approaches.
I care about how players play, not about how they look. If I want to see beautiful people, esports is not my first resource...and it shouldn't be.
And while you're at it, get rid of the retarded 'hwaiting' phrase, it makes me picture those who say it as unable to utter the word 'waiting' properly, like if there were something stuck in their throats and they dragged the H to places they shouldn't.
In a nutshell, keep e-sports gaming related, thanks.
I find myself agreeing with this post, as uncomfortable as it is for me to say that. I have no problem with homosexuality, but jumping into the SC2 scene and finding everyone calling the dudes up there " cute" or "handsome" is kinda off putting for anyone who wants to get into e-sports. I never understood how that even became the norm here in the first place.
Also agree with "hwaiting". Theyre saying the word "fighting", why not spell it that way? You know the Koreans who actually say it don't even spell it "hwaiting" because they got their own writing system. It also just sounds goofy ass hell to anyone unless youre actually a Korean person living in Korea. Not a big deal tho, just a pet peeve. Its like when Japanese people add English to their song lyrics, it usually just sounds retarded because theyre copying another culture and not doing it well at all.
That's because you're looking at it from an entirely american point of view. At first glance I agreed with every word as well, but as you delve into other cultures, particularly far eastern ones, you gain a sense of it all. It might seem strange to a random teenager who hasn't had any exposure to asian mannerisms, but its just something you have to get used to. I still cringe a little when I see 'hwaiting' but it's nothing I can't handle. That being said, I think "sex appeal" is the wrong phrase.
On December 30 2011 03:40 Kwanny wrote: Just because you're not overweight doesn't make you handsome nor does it give you sex appeal. That's something you have to work for. And either openly admitting or unconsiously, you'll have a biased opinion on a person based on their looks. Also, try to tell me that sexy people don't draw attention, because they do. And if pros don't want to shape themselves for the sake of eSports, they should consider it for the sake of their own marketing.
Surely this is sarcasm?
I think Kwanny says it quite well, actually. I agree with all his points.
Progamers just need to remember that they expose themselves to 100k people. If I would knew that beforehand I would dress up and make me look my best for an even.
On January 02 2012 07:40 Drizzt3 wrote: if it's about sex appeal to you, then get off of teamliquid and go watch porn. the rest of us are here for the starcraft.
On January 02 2012 07:40 Drizzt3 wrote: if it's about sex appeal to you, then get off of teamliquid and go watch porn. the rest of us are here for the starcraft.
Starcraft is important but so is appeal
No it isn't. Unless some of the pros aren't pretty horrible to look at all is good. And none of the pros are ugly. You really don't need more.
On January 02 2012 07:40 Drizzt3 wrote: if it's about sex appeal to you, then get off of teamliquid and go watch porn. the rest of us are here for the starcraft.
Starcraft is important but so is appeal
No it isn't. Unless some of the pros aren't pretty horrible to look at all is good. And none of the pros are ugly. You really don't need more.
awkward looking people does NOT help non-gamers views of the progaming scene. People have an idea of gamers, awkward, nerdy, geeky, socially inept, non-hygienic etc. Good looking pros that people can say "he's sexy" and such is GOOD, because people will watch because people are simply attractive. Look at any girl streamers view count, people will watch because she is a girl. Girls sometimes watch football because the men are muscular and such. Think about it, not EVERYONE that OBSERVES cares about skill.
the korean scene has plenty of odd lookers as well though... they only show the 'pretty' faces on magazines
poor flash...
although i feel that the western world hunk look is more like tanned, toned, tall hard bodies. in korea it's like a hunk is a weedy childlike frame with anime hair.
On January 02 2012 08:24 shizna wrote: the korean scene has plenty of odd lookers as well though... they only show the 'pretty' faces on magazines
poor flash...
although i feel that the western world hunk look is more like tanned, toned, tall hard bodies. in korea it's like a hunk is a weedy childlike frame with anime hair.
heh, reminds me of anypro
But, one must remember its a different culture, and he probably gets all the women he wants, so who am I to judge?
I wonder how much is correlated with their skill. I think Bomber is pretty good looking, for example, but he's also one of my favorite players. If he played like the average NA terran I probably wouldn't think so highly of his appearance even though he would still look exactly the same.
For another example, Sheth is generally described as being a "big teddy bear", while Total Biscuit, who is clearly smaller, is simply called fat. To be honest I don't agree with a lot of TB's decisions regarding how he carries himself, but there is clear bias from the community. If you show a picture of Day9 to someone who doesn't know him they'll probably think he's an average looking guy, possibly a little on the scruffy side. Many fans of his, though, think he's hotter than the sun.
On January 02 2012 07:40 Drizzt3 wrote: if it's about sex appeal to you, then get off of teamliquid and go watch porn. the rest of us are here for the starcraft.
Starcraft is important but so is appeal
No it isn't. Unless some of the pros aren't pretty horrible to look at all is good. And none of the pros are ugly. You really don't need more.
I'm a little worried about the reasoning behind this. It's true that SC2 will not live or die based on the hotness of the players. But there's a definite vibe among a lot of the more nerdier fans that should be addressed. Working to make yourself look attractive isn't a "cool" or "manly" thing to do in the west, at least among nerds. Putting in effort into your appearance is seen as effeminate when it should really just be part of being a functional adult. Gamers give a pass on people who don't take showers, don't shave, don't use deodorant, and don't exercise.
Part of this is due to the male gamer wish fulfillment fantasy. The average SC2 player is probably a little overweight, and let's say, "not handsome by popular norms". Wouldn't it be great if you didn't need to put in any effort, didn't need to exercise, and could still get fame and fortune just by playing games all day? While it's certainly true that some people might be able to do this, the reality is that the vast majority of people need proper exercise, hygiene, and a little style to be appealing to anyone.
To be honest, I'm extremely pleased at how progressive SC2 is. Seeing crowds of people cheer on someone who isn't your stereotypical blue eyed white dude is beautiful. The amount of racism and bigotry and hate seems extraordinarily lower than most other crowds. Celebrating attractive progamers seems like another great way to erase hurtful stereotypes. There's no need to bash the "aesthetically challenged", but focusing on the better looking players some more would be great.
When OSL switch to SC2 I'll ditch GSL in a heartbeat. I just think their production value is a lot better when it comes to promoting players. GSL has resource for the production value but the execution is just inferior imo.
On December 30 2011 10:24 Black[CAT] wrote: Fat progamers gives bad impressions. Imagine talking to somebody and pointing out that the fat guy infront of the computer is a progamer. Yea.....
what's wrong with fat?
Well...it's unhealthy? Like, on a personal level, it's just not a good thing to be fat.
On December 30 2011 12:03 N1ghtshade wrote:
On December 30 2011 11:56 yellowbluebus wrote: Hiring cute cheerleaders would be like hiring muscled up mascots for fat girls volleyball.
A guy can play great, win championships and everything else, but if when he shows his face on screen, if he hasn't been taking care of himself (I'm not talking about whether he's appealing or not, but his hygiene here) it's going to turn off people. Well, girls mainly. I can see how guys wouldn't really care. Anyone, appealing or not to begin with, that works out or takes care of themselves is going to be seen in a better light than someone who stays up 22hrs out of 24 and only showers once a week.
tldr; I agree with a better image for pro gamers, and I don't think white-ra looks funny ;o! But he has gotten a pot belly (._.) someone take that man to the gym! He could be so sexy <.< such a waste!
unattractive males that are unattractive due to their own choice, I.E. not taking care of their hygeine, hair, facial hair, or having absolutely no sense of style makes me NOT want to watch them, or root for them in tournaments regardless of playstyle or skill. I'm a straight male at that, so I could only imagine what a turn-off it would be for a straight girl or gay man to see a sloppy person in eSports, and formulate thier opinion of it as a whole off of them. A single negative image can outweigh multiple positive images.
It's unfortunate but it's true; appearance matters.
Being fat is not unnatural, there can certainly be advantages (physically) to it. Just because someone isn't overweight doesn't mean they aren't unhealthy as shit.
Also I don't get how someone would not root for a player based on their facial hair or "lack of style." If that is you proof that apparence matters, then we have different definitions of what "matters."
Then they aren't really "fat", they're just "big". Fat, in today's language, implies a degree of overweightness that is unhealthy and/or not attractive.
This, i wouldnt really consider Incontrol "fat" for example like aparantly a lot of trolls have, especially considering he can bench nearly 200kg.
There is a difference between bodybuilding and actually lifting weights for strengh which a lot of people dont see, bodybuilders usually just seek to make themselves "look good" and not actuly get the best lifts etc, which requires a lot more body mass.
That's only the case if you're in a heavy-weight class, where the you can wheigh whatever. Having more weight will give you better leverages and allow you to lift more but more muscle is better than leverage. So if you compete at 100kg, someone at 10% bf will lift more than someone at 20% bf, assuming equal strength training.
That is a complete lie. There is a reason why Bodybuilders cannot actually lift the same weight as power lifters, bodybuilding is very unhealthy for you. You are literally starving and dehydrating yourself on purpose to reach that body. Powerlifting requires a lot of core muscle, which is located at your belly button. That is why they seem to be fat.
The only reason bodybuilders(most) lift less than powerlifters is because they train differently, and I clearly stated same training in my post. And no matter how strong your core is it will never make you look fat, because abs and obliques are very small muscles. Big obliques will make you appear wider, but not fat. They look fat because they are fat. Nothing else.
Any bodybuilder who goes into a contest dehydrated is retarded since it's both dangerous, and because you WANT water to fill up your muscle cells, which makes them look bigger. By not drinking any water you will look flat and soft on stage. Also, Bodybuilding isn't even remotely unhealthy unless you pump your ass full off anabolic substances.
I believe this to be off-topic so I won't engage in further conversation about this.
I always find myself far more "cut" when im dehydrated.
On December 30 2011 10:24 Black[CAT] wrote: Fat progamers gives bad impressions. Imagine talking to somebody and pointing out that the fat guy infront of the computer is a progamer. Yea.....
what's wrong with fat?
Well...it's unhealthy? Like, on a personal level, it's just not a good thing to be fat.
On December 30 2011 12:03 N1ghtshade wrote:
On December 30 2011 11:56 yellowbluebus wrote: Hiring cute cheerleaders would be like hiring muscled up mascots for fat girls volleyball.
A guy can play great, win championships and everything else, but if when he shows his face on screen, if he hasn't been taking care of himself (I'm not talking about whether he's appealing or not, but his hygiene here) it's going to turn off people. Well, girls mainly. I can see how guys wouldn't really care. Anyone, appealing or not to begin with, that works out or takes care of themselves is going to be seen in a better light than someone who stays up 22hrs out of 24 and only showers once a week.
tldr; I agree with a better image for pro gamers, and I don't think white-ra looks funny ;o! But he has gotten a pot belly (._.) someone take that man to the gym! He could be so sexy <.< such a waste!
unattractive males that are unattractive due to their own choice, I.E. not taking care of their hygeine, hair, facial hair, or having absolutely no sense of style makes me NOT want to watch them, or root for them in tournaments regardless of playstyle or skill. I'm a straight male at that, so I could only imagine what a turn-off it would be for a straight girl or gay man to see a sloppy person in eSports, and formulate thier opinion of it as a whole off of them. A single negative image can outweigh multiple positive images.
It's unfortunate but it's true; appearance matters.
Being fat is not unnatural, there can certainly be advantages (physically) to it. Just because someone isn't overweight doesn't mean they aren't unhealthy as shit.
Also I don't get how someone would not root for a player based on their facial hair or "lack of style." If that is you proof that apparence matters, then we have different definitions of what "matters."
Then they aren't really "fat", they're just "big". Fat, in today's language, implies a degree of overweightness that is unhealthy and/or not attractive.
This, i wouldnt really consider Incontrol "fat" for example like aparantly a lot of trolls have, especially considering he can bench nearly 200kg.
There is a difference between bodybuilding and actually lifting weights for strengh which a lot of people dont see, bodybuilders usually just seek to make themselves "look good" and not actuly get the best lifts etc, which requires a lot more body mass.
That's only the case if you're in a heavy-weight class, where the you can wheigh whatever. Having more weight will give you better leverages and allow you to lift more but more muscle is better than leverage. So if you compete at 100kg, someone at 10% bf will lift more than someone at 20% bf, assuming equal strength training.
That is a complete lie. There is a reason why Bodybuilders cannot actually lift the same weight as power lifters, bodybuilding is very unhealthy for you. You are literally starving and dehydrating yourself on purpose to reach that body. Powerlifting requires a lot of core muscle, which is located at your belly button. That is why they seem to be fat.
The only reason bodybuilders(most) lift less than powerlifters is because they train differently, and I clearly stated same training in my post. And no matter how strong your core is it will never make you look fat, because abs and obliques are very small muscles. Big obliques will make you appear wider, but not fat. They look fat because they are fat. Nothing else.
Any bodybuilder who goes into a contest dehydrated is retarded since it's both dangerous, and because you WANT water to fill up your muscle cells, which makes them look bigger. By not drinking any water you will look flat and soft on stage. Also, Bodybuilding isn't even remotely unhealthy unless you pump your ass full off anabolic substances.
I believe this to be off-topic so I won't engage in further conversation about this.
I always find myself far more "cut" when im dehydrated.
Well if you work out / do amateur bodybuilding you never should be dehydrated .-.
Also it's true you should never look fat UNLESS you use steroids, in that case you can very well look fat even with a 5% body fat percentage, I'm not sure why but steroids are pretty fucked up.
Also yeah bodybuilders would never go to contests dehydrated because yeah that makes you look worse usually, and as a bodybuilder your fat % should be less than 10 anyway so there's no way you even need to be more "cut" for some reason
It's quite dishonest to call InControl "fat". His size is very much intentional. That said, his body type isn't similar at all to that of movie stars or signers that the public generally accepts to be hot. A hot bodybuilder type is actually kind of rare, maybe someone like Swarchenegger would classify but that type is definitely not a broad appeal type.
On January 02 2012 11:39 fourColo wrote: It's quite dishonest to call InControl "fat". His size is very much intentional. That said, his body type isn't similar at all to that of movie stars or signers that the public generally accepts to be hot. A hot bodybuilder type is actually kind of rare, maybe someone like Swarchenegger would classify but that type is definitely not a broad appeal type.
his size is very much intentional? are you joking?
the only part about his size that is intentional are his muscles.... if he's not careful he has a tendency to become fat, of course he currently is in fairly good shape and very strong but his body type is one that becomes fat very easily obviously
it's not like people like me or like TLO or w/e are intentionally skinny, we were just born that way
On January 02 2012 08:24 shizna wrote: the korean scene has plenty of odd lookers as well though... they only show the 'pretty' faces on magazines
poor flash...
although i feel that the western world hunk look is more like tanned, toned, tall hard bodies. in korea it's like a hunk is a weedy childlike frame with anime hair.
On January 02 2012 08:24 shizna wrote: the korean scene has plenty of odd lookers as well though... they only show the 'pretty' faces on magazines
poor flash...
although i feel that the western world hunk look is more like tanned, toned, tall hard bodies. in korea it's like a hunk is a weedy childlike frame with anime hair.
On January 02 2012 08:24 shizna wrote: the korean scene has plenty of odd lookers as well though... they only show the 'pretty' faces on magazines
poor flash...
although i feel that the western world hunk look is more like tanned, toned, tall hard bodies. in korea it's like a hunk is a weedy childlike frame with anime hair.
Um what? Taecyeon is 185cm (6'1"), which, considering the average height of a Korean male is 5'8", is quite tall. More than tall enough for me, and certainly tall enough for Korean girls. What about him is childlike or weedy?
On January 02 2012 14:08 DarkGo wrote: god damn i completely agree, westerners need to think about their image and especailly and importaintly be healthy physicall and mentally
cant really demand anyone to mentally healthy, but sure. if you are serious about e-sports you should tro to sleep well, have good routines and excercise to maintain emotional stability to the highest degree possible. i think many western e-sport pros doesnt understand the importance of regular sleep and meals
On January 02 2012 08:24 shizna wrote: the korean scene has plenty of odd lookers as well though... they only show the 'pretty' faces on magazines
poor flash...
although i feel that the western world hunk look is more like tanned, toned, tall hard bodies. in korea it's like a hunk is a weedy childlike frame with anime hair.
Um what? Taecyeon is 185cm (6'1"), which, considering the average height of a Korean male is 5'8", is quite tall. More than tall enough for me, and certainly tall enough for Korean girls. What about him is childlike or weedy?
w/e there are also some westerners that are small and childlike but on AVERAGE koreans tend to be much smaller
I'm a little worried about the reasoning behind this. It's true that SC2 will not live or die based on the hotness of the players. But there's a definite vibe among a lot of the more nerdier fans that should be addressed. Working to make yourself look attractive isn't a "cool" or "manly" thing to do in the west, at least among nerds. Putting in effort into your appearance is seen as effeminate when it should really just be part of being a functional adult. Gamers give a pass on people who don't take showers, don't shave, don't use deodorant, and don't exercise.
I live in the U.S. and I personally disagree with these statements... I've played games and have been around people who do the same for my whole life, and never did any of us think that it is ok to be unclean and unhealthy lol. Especially not taking showers, not using deodorant etc. Where I live that is socially unacceptable and I don't think most gamers would disagree. Nobody likes a nasty smelly kid, gamer or not
The only way I can give some credit to that statement is that a lot of the time gamers are more tolerable of people who don't fit the typical mold of how someone "should" be, because most gamers are gamers because they don't give a shit. If we cared a ton about what was considered "cool" and stuff then I don't think a lot of us would play games, at least not to the extent that we do. Even at that though, I think its a stretch to say that it is ok to be unclean unhealthy and not care about your appearance at all. Some people may live like that but it is definitely not the norm.
I'm a little worried about the reasoning behind this. It's true that SC2 will not live or die based on the hotness of the players. But there's a definite vibe among a lot of the more nerdier fans that should be addressed. Working to make yourself look attractive isn't a "cool" or "manly" thing to do in the west, at least among nerds. Putting in effort into your appearance is seen as effeminate when it should really just be part of being a functional adult. Gamers give a pass on people who don't take showers, don't shave, don't use deodorant, and don't exercise.
I live in the U.S. and I personally disagree with these statements... I've played games and have been around people who do the same for my whole life, and never did any of us think that it is ok to be unclean and unhealthy lol. Especially not taking showers, not using deodorant etc. Where I live that is socially unacceptable and I don't think most gamers would disagree. Nobody likes a nasty smelly kid, gamer or not
The only way I can give some credit to that statement is that a lot of the time gamers are more tolerable of people who don't fit the typical mold of how someone "should" be, because most gamers are gamers because they don't give a shit. If we cared a ton about what was considered "cool" and stuff then I don't think a lot of us would play games, at least not to the extent that we do. Even at that though, I think its a stretch to say that it is ok to be unclean unhealthy and not care about your appearance at all. Some people may live like that but it is definitely not the norm.
I don't think we're in disagreement. It's generally unacceptable to look unclean and unhealthy everywhere. I'm not trying to make a broad generalization either, because people who play games are extremely diverse. However, the "stinky nerd" stereotype is predominant regardless of whether it's an accurate representation or not. The sentiment that gamers should not be required to put any effort into their outward appearance has shown up multiple times in this thread already.
I've had the unfortunate pleasure of having to spend time with some exceptionally filthy people. They'll form little cliques of nerds and they quickly become very self congratulatory. They'll come to agreement that anyone trying to dress well must be "gay" or a snob or a hipster without spending any effort to get to know anyone outside of their group. Maybe they're scared of rejection or maybe they just have asperger's. Even if this type of person makes up only 10% of people who play video games, a random person might think "gamers? Oh yeah, I met one of those once, they smelled like human refuse and looked the part too, and wouldn't shut up about games", when maybe half their friends play SC2 but aren't obnoxious about it.
Bear in mind that this is in response to someone saying that appearance is not important to progamers as long as they're not hideous. I think "better than hideous" is an unacceptably low bar. I'm not trying to say western progamers look like shit either, but I will say that an inconsequential amount of prep time before going on camera would turn most of them from 5s to 7s or 8s. .
I am confused and angered that nada isnt either no.1 or no.2.
Edit: just like the guy above me said this list is so shockingly inaccurate it gives me a headache :/..
only 2 people i recognize who could be called handsome in the classical sense are tasteless and tyler (of the foreigners). and like 30 on the list who are exactly the opposite of hot;)
of the koreans (that i know) select and boxer but he aged a lot recently
On January 02 2012 08:24 shizna wrote: the korean scene has plenty of odd lookers as well though... they only show the 'pretty' faces on magazines
poor flash...
although i feel that the western world hunk look is more like tanned, toned, tall hard bodies. in korea it's like a hunk is a weedy childlike frame with anime hair.
Um what? Taecyeon is 185cm (6'1"), which, considering the average height of a Korean male is 5'8", is quite tall. More than tall enough for me, and certainly tall enough for Korean girls. What about him is childlike or weedy?
okay fair enough.
but even the more 'cut' korean progamers like nada and reach are pretty cute and childlike in appearance, especially nada's anime hair. maybe it's their facial features and lack of facial hair... i'm not sure.
it's true that korean progamers tend to look after themselves, the progamer lifestyle in korea is generally eating healthily and working out while still playing. it makes you look more healthy and confident, which are two key attributes for a handsome look.
sheth is handsome because we watch his very interactive stream and know he's a lovely guy with a great personality. but if you switched his personality with a jerk (for example deezer) then you would probably not find him to have a handsome appearance in the slightest.
day9 has confidence, but obviously does not look after his body. both day9 and tasteless could be models if they worked out and tidied themselves up a little. very handsome features, tall, dark hair and confident... but they look scruffy with a nerdy frame.
idra is pretty much the only foreign progamer who takes care of his appearance, if he was taller he would be a very hunky guy.
that's my thinking anyway... if day9, tasteless, artosis and some of the more popular foreign progamers tidied up their image then sex appeal would most definitely improve the appeal for non-nerdy people outside the progaming circle.
On January 02 2012 08:24 shizna wrote: the korean scene has plenty of odd lookers as well though... they only show the 'pretty' faces on magazines
poor flash...
although i feel that the western world hunk look is more like tanned, toned, tall hard bodies. in korea it's like a hunk is a weedy childlike frame with anime hair.
hehe. Flash is not hot i guess but he has something badass about his face that appeals to guys. he's kinda similar to MC in this regard. but the average girl wouldn't find any of the two attractive
On January 02 2012 08:24 shizna wrote: the korean scene has plenty of odd lookers as well though... they only show the 'pretty' faces on magazines
poor flash...
although i feel that the western world hunk look is more like tanned, toned, tall hard bodies. in korea it's like a hunk is a weedy childlike frame with anime hair.
hehe. Flash is not hot i guess but he has something badass about his face that appeals to guys. he's kinda similar to MC in this regard. but the average girl wouldn't find any of the two attractive
On January 02 2012 11:39 fourColo wrote:. A hot bodybuilder type is actually kind of rare, maybe someone like Swarchenegger would classify but that type is definitely not a broad appeal type.
In the modern day, yes, but back when bodybuilding focused more on symmetry and proportion they were all pretty aesthetic. Since HGH and doping became popular, you get the 'grossly' huge guys with HGH gut.
On January 02 2012 13:33 ReignFayth wrote:
the only part about his size that is intentional are his muscles.... if he's not careful he has a tendency to become fat, of course he currently is in fairly good shape and very strong but his body type is one that becomes fat very easily obviously
it's not like people like me or like TLO or w/e are intentionally skinny, we were just born that way
If you ate more and trained hard, you wouldn't be skinny. Granted, people are born with certain body compositions but you're only limited to them by the amount of effort you put into improving them.
I am confused and angered that nada isnt either no.1 or no.2.
Edit: just like the guy above me said this list is so shockingly inaccurate it gives me a headache :/..
only 2 people i recognize who could be called handsome in the classical sense are tasteless and tyler (of the foreigners). and like 30 on the list who are exactly the opposite of hot;)
of the koreans (that i know) select and boxer but he aged a lot recently
I think the list seems pretty accurate to the west which is what I am guessing the people who made it based it on. Tyler/Tasteless/Apollo/Demuslim seem like the top 4. Idra shouldnt be on the list cuz he is basically your stereotypical nerd. Arguments could be made for a few others but really the list seems pretty accurate if I was a judge.
On December 30 2011 17:56 Scarecrow wrote: Foreigner scene needs more Moonglade imo
Ohhhhhllllllllllllaaaaaaahhhhhhhhh oohhhh yeeea ahhhhhhhh... *Salivates* <3 GG, Moonglade takes the thread! Tasteless in second place, followed closely by DeMusliM. Fucking babe <3
I am confused and angered that nada isnt either no.1 or no.2.
Edit: just like the guy above me said this list is so shockingly inaccurate it gives me a headache :/..
only 2 people i recognize who could be called handsome in the classical sense are tasteless and tyler (of the foreigners). and like 30 on the list who are exactly the opposite of hot;)
of the koreans (that i know) select and boxer but he aged a lot recently
I think the list seems pretty accurate to the west which is what I am guessing the people who made it based it on. Tyler/Tasteless/Apollo/Demuslim seem like the top 4. Idra shouldnt be on the list cuz he is basically your stereotypical nerd. Arguments could be made for a few others but really the list seems pretty accurate if I was a judge.
Edit: TLO/Jinro/Grubby also deserve to be there.
it's absolutely inaccurate. try to abstract their looks and don't think a bit about their personality. artosis is not handsome at all. neither is demuslim, huk is probably the least attractive of all and they're all pretty high up there. trust me, if you'd ask some girls they'd say most of that list is the opposite of attractive. like 99% of ppl here are guys who know/are fans/adore etc those guys as players, so i can see why the list is so but in regards of attractiveness it's absolutely flawed
i'm not really sure what girls think about asian men though
On January 02 2012 08:24 shizna wrote: the korean scene has plenty of odd lookers as well though... they only show the 'pretty' faces on magazines
poor flash...
although i feel that the western world hunk look is more like tanned, toned, tall hard bodies. in korea it's like a hunk is a weedy childlike frame with anime hair.
hehe. Flash is not hot i guess but he has something badass about his face that appeals to guys. he's kinda similar to MC in this regard. but the average girl wouldn't find any of the two attractive
MC? MC looks...chubby...
yeah he's bulky, but he has the death stare noone else does in sc2;)
On December 31 2011 07:30 ishyishy wrote: Well, the USA is well-known for having a high population of fat people. If that ever changed I think it would be too weird. Good luck prying that Mnt Dew and Doritos from americans. You will have to fight them to the death
And yes I am american and I am fat. It's just how we are. Everyone has the right to be different
You are an idiot, don't generalize an entire nation of people based just on yourself.
sex appeal is about more than just the person's physical condition, it is about the way they dress and present themselves to their current and potential fans. i think it wouldnt hurt to upgrade team uniforms from tshirts to something more flashy. stuff like that could possibly make the players seems less awkward, imo.
You have it wrong. It's not the Western gaming is like how you depicted it..... that's just the old stereotype. There's nothing to be actively done to get rid of this. It's just going to happen naturally.
Okay, I'm not gonna be naive. A lot is like that. But it's more stereotype than fact now.
First of all i laughed at ur post.its funny but its sadly the reality... I totally agree it should change... But not sure how its possible... And ...i really beleive it dépend from region to region... Where i come nerd are very rare... Welll all the nerd play cod and gay other gay game...
I am confused and angered that nada isnt either no.1 or no.2.
Edit: just like the guy above me said this list is so shockingly inaccurate it gives me a headache :/..
only 2 people i recognize who could be called handsome in the classical sense are tasteless and tyler (of the foreigners). and like 30 on the list who are exactly the opposite of hot;)
of the koreans (that i know) select and boxer but he aged a lot recently
Yeah its not any of this most pro gamers look just like anyone else. Even artosis and tasteless openly call the players nerds all the time, and that is really what people generally think about people that play games for a living. Esports would be lucky to achieve something a status like poker, but real sports will always be untouchable by esports.
Sry, but I dont really like what is described as "Korean Pro gamer style" here. For me this "korean progamer style" looks so forced and unnatural. They try to lok cool and imitate some western style of coolness but they fail at it when wearing leather jackets or what not. The other thing they do is wearing these ridicilous costumes that look like formula 1 racing gear (they wear it because of safty, fireproof and what not) that makes no sense and looks like absolute shit on a gamer. Instead of trying to copy something or adapt something and fail misserably at it they should come up with something new if they really need this stuff.
They try to create a sense of beeing important and special around them because they are gamers and wear costumes. They should be who they are and show their personality and dont let them imprint and label themselves like blank goods.
For me a player representing who he is is 10000 times more then a player wearing that stuff that is put on him or wearing something because he tries to look cool or because it is the way progamers are supposed to dress. Its like a clowns costume and they are afraid to show their personality and stand for it !
Hmm. Koreans have pro houses where many progamers have time to go to the gym a lot.
A western "pro" is probably technically an amateur, dealing with home life, college, etc and may need to forego extras in order to practice more starcraft, like a gym.
Not saying I disagree with the above posts though, I completely agree, and lack of material time does not excuse not getting a Shave and a Haircut! once in a while or washing one's face. It's just probably going to be harder for them.
Digressing: Naniwa would probably look great bald.
On January 29 2012 10:26 Holy_AT wrote: Sry, but I dont really like what is described as "Korean Pro gamer style" here. For me this "korean progamer style" looks so forced and unnatural. They try to lok cool and imitate some western style of coolness but they fail at it when wearing leather jackets or what not. The other thing they do is wearing these ridicilous costumes that look like formula 1 racing gear (they wear it because of safty, fireproof and what not) that makes no sense and looks like absolute shit on a gamer. Instead of trying to copy something or adapt something and fail misserably at it they should come up with something new if they really need this stuff.
They try to create a sense of beeing important and special around them because they are gamers and wear costumes. They should be who they are and show their personality and dont let them imprint and label themselves like blank goods.
For me a player representing who he is is 10000 times more then a player wearing that stuff that is put on him or wearing something because he tries to look cool or because it is the way progamers are supposed to dress. Its like a clowns costume and they are afraid to show their personality and stand for it !
I respectfully disagree, maybe you haven't seen Starcraft in Korea, but I don't get the unnatural vibe at all. I'll agree that it is definitely not transferrable in USA though, the audience/style/culture just isn't the same. In my view they don't create a sense of being special, rather they are viewed that way by others.
On January 29 2012 10:26 Holy_AT wrote: Sry, but I dont really like what is described as "Korean Pro gamer style" here. For me this "korean progamer style" looks so forced and unnatural. They try to lok cool and imitate some western style of coolness but they fail at it when wearing leather jackets or what not. The other thing they do is wearing these ridicilous costumes that look like formula 1 racing gear (they wear it because of safty, fireproof and what not) that makes no sense and looks like absolute shit on a gamer. Instead of trying to copy something or adapt something and fail misserably at it they should come up with something new if they really need this stuff.
They try to create a sense of beeing important and special around them because they are gamers and wear costumes. They should be who they are and show their personality and dont let them imprint and label themselves like blank goods.
For me a player representing who he is is 10000 times more then a player wearing that stuff that is put on him or wearing something because he tries to look cool or because it is the way progamers are supposed to dress. Its like a clowns costume and they are afraid to show their personality and stand for it !
that's funny. since every "sports" team in the entire western world wears "costumes" also. - also, wearing a uniform tying you together as a team and any and everything else a uniform represents...smothers your personality and makes you a clown? really? - to me everyone agreeing to show up in jeans and a team t-shirt just looks half-assed. teams need to get their shit together and get some actual uniforms for their players.
Well if these formula 1 costumes and other related styles are the way the typical Koreans are dressed I respectfully withdraw my statement. Otherwise I can not understand how you come to this conclusion.
to me everyone agreeing to show up in jeans and a team t-shirt just looks half-assed. teams need to get their shit together and get some actual uniforms for their players.
no they dont ??? In classic sports "uniforms" are there to fit the needs of the athlete. For example in skiing to get better aero dynamics, in formula1 or nascar to protect agianst fire and what not. In fotball or soccer everyone in the team needs to be uniform so the players can distinguish and reconize them better on the field.
This is not needed for the esports. And thats why simulating the same thing for esports instead of doing its own thing and coming up with its own natural thingy just feels dumb and unnatural for me. They try to emulate something they are not. They belive just becuase I wear some unfirm I am an accepted sports man. And thats where they fail. Instead of beeing brave and developing its own thing and not doing some crazy uniform stuff because there is no need they should do something thats more logical and better fitting.
I dunno, I think they're doing ok. It's true that the West tends to prefer a different aesthetic than the East, but I still think there are plenty of good-looking guys in the scene.
Artosis is not handsome, no, but he's ok as a normal human being. Demuslim is plenty good-looking. Huk has a really good face and demeanour; he's just short.
I think basically every major western progamer is pretty ok these days.
Actually i think that it has more to do with westerners not knowing any progamers and automatically assuming they are fat and lazy. Most of the foreigners arent ugly or fat by any means. The number of rotund sc2 playerrs can be counted on 2 hands
Well if these formula 1 costumes and other related styles are the way the typical Koreans are dressed I respectfully withdraw my statement. Otherwise I can not understand how you come to this conclusion.
to me everyone agreeing to show up in jeans and a team t-shirt just looks half-assed. teams need to get their shit together and get some actual uniforms for their players.
no they dont ??? In classic sports "uniforms" are there to fit the needs of the athlete. For example in skiing to get better aero dynamics, in formula1 or nascar to protect agianst fire and what not. In fotball or soccer everyone in the team needs to be uniform so the players can distinguish and reconize them better on the field.
This is not needed for the esports. And thats why simulating the same thing for esports instead of doing its own thing and coming up with its own natural thingy just feels dumb and unnatural for me. They try to emulate something they are not. They belive just becuase I wear some unfirm I am an accepted sports man. And thats where they fail. Instead of beeing brave and developing its own thing and not doing some crazy uniform stuff because there is no need they should do something thats more logical and better fitting.
you don't wear a uniform to signify that you're part of a sport. you wear it to signify your team. (more cheesy, your bond with that team)
equipment is there to suit the needs of the player. there's a reason things that have no requirement for uniforms have them. do you think a chess team makes shirts for eachother is to feel more like a "sport"? no. it's not. it's because they're a team and want to be recognized as such and belong to one another. do you think teams wear things like track pants with thier team name and emblem on it to events in addition/beside thier actual competing uniform (think soccer or tennis or swimming or basketball) to further underline that they're a "sport"? no, it's because they want to make it clear that they're representing thier team even when they aren't necessarily IN the actual competition.
you don't wear a uniform to identify that you're a "sport". you wear it for yourself and for everyone else. you don't understand the purpose.
On January 29 2012 11:57 Mortal wrote: i think if we had tyler walking down a red carpet in a speedo then the koreans would need to step their shit up.
On January 29 2012 11:57 Mortal wrote: i think if we had tyler walking down a red carpet in a speedo then the koreans would need to step their shit up.
I see your Tyler and raise you a NaDa.
nada doesn't impress me, tyler on the other hand, is a sasquatch bearman. (nada's body is not special)
On January 29 2012 11:57 Mortal wrote: i think if we had tyler walking down a red carpet in a speedo then the koreans would need to step their shit up.
I see your Tyler and raise you a NaDa.
nada doesn't impress me, tyler on the other hand, is a sasquatch bearman. (nada's body is not special)
On January 29 2012 11:57 Mortal wrote: i think if we had tyler walking down a red carpet in a speedo then the koreans would need to step their shit up.
I see your Tyler and raise you a NaDa.
nada doesn't impress me, tyler on the other hand, is a sasquatch bearman. (nada's body is not special)
On January 29 2012 11:57 Mortal wrote: i think if we had tyler walking down a red carpet in a speedo then the koreans would need to step their shit up.
I see your Tyler and raise you a NaDa.
nada doesn't impress me, tyler on the other hand, is a sasquatch bearman. (nada's body is not special)
WHAT BLASPHEMY IS THIS?
he think being big and muscular equals to being sexy, I must disagree.
On January 29 2012 11:57 Mortal wrote: i think if we had tyler walking down a red carpet in a speedo then the koreans would need to step their shit up.
I see your Tyler and raise you a NaDa.
nada doesn't impress me, tyler on the other hand, is a sasquatch bearman. (nada's body is not special)
On January 29 2012 11:57 Mortal wrote: i think if we had tyler walking down a red carpet in a speedo then the koreans would need to step their shit up.
I see your Tyler and raise you a NaDa.
nada doesn't impress me, tyler on the other hand, is a sasquatch bearman. (nada's body is not special)
On January 29 2012 11:57 Mortal wrote: i think if we had tyler walking down a red carpet in a speedo then the koreans would need to step their shit up.
I see your Tyler and raise you a NaDa.
nada doesn't impress me, tyler on the other hand, is a sasquatch bearman. (nada's body is not special)
lol? there are way better looking "foreigners" than any korean, you guys say nada has an amazing body which he does not, it's an average gym body type, nothing fancy about it. if you were to pick the top10 sex appeal, I'd guarantee most would be foreigners unless you're the stereotypical nerd who's blindly into asians :b
I agree with this so much. Honestly, progamers just need to hit the gym 3~ times a week, and use some facial wash, and suddenly, people who randomly stumble upon a Starcraft match during a camera shot get intrigued. No matter how shallow you find it, appearance is probably in the top 3 most influential factors.
On January 29 2012 14:52 hnQ wrote: lol? there are way better looking "foreigners" than any korean, you guys say nada has an amazing body which he does not, it's an average gym body type, nothing fancy about it. if you were to pick the top10 sex appeal, I'd guarantee most would be foreigners unless you're the stereotypical nerd who's blindly into asians :b
..... muscluar does not equate to sex appeal...... why are foreigners so hanged up on this....
On January 29 2012 14:52 hnQ wrote: lol? there are way better looking "foreigners" than any korean, you guys say nada has an amazing body which he does not, it's an average gym body type, nothing fancy about it. if you were to pick the top10 sex appeal, I'd guarantee most would be foreigners unless you're the stereotypical nerd who's blindly into asians :b
or ur blindly into foreigners. see what i did thar? obviously sex appeal is subjective
On January 29 2012 14:52 hnQ wrote: lol? there are way better looking "foreigners" than any korean, you guys say nada has an amazing body which he does not, it's an average gym body type, nothing fancy about it. if you were to pick the top10 sex appeal, I'd guarantee most would be foreigners unless you're the stereotypical nerd who's blindly into asians :b
..... muscluar does not equate to sex appeal...... why are foreigners so hanged up on this....
this is true, and that's what I was pointing out with that nada reference...
On January 29 2012 14:52 hnQ wrote: lol? there are way better looking "foreigners" than any korean, you guys say nada has an amazing body which he does not, it's an average gym body type, nothing fancy about it. if you were to pick the top10 sex appeal, I'd guarantee most would be foreigners unless you're the stereotypical nerd who's blindly into asians :b
or ur blindly into foreigners. see what i did thar? obviously sex appeal is subjective
also true, but im trying to be objective here, there ARE specific traits that anyone relates with good looks, and I find those in more in foreigners
edit: because it's also true that people are attracted to said traits, there's always a pattern in general
On December 30 2011 02:22 FrayzZeUsher wrote: People talk about spreading esports so much, yet everyone seems to ignore the elephant in the room. Western pro-gamers need style!
Sotg Had a pornstar on it the other day. We need an E-sports calender with pro gamer fangirls in bikinis sitting with sponsorship products!!!! I would order three copies of that calender!
..... muscluar does not equate to sex appeal...... why are foreigners so hanged up on this....
Ummm Yes it does. Are you retarded? Masculinity/ femininity IS SEX APPEAL. Muscles are the core definition of what I think most people see as a masculine man... AKA Sex appeal. Do you not watch any commercials??? Muscles are masculinity which is SEX APPEAL.
What's it matter? So many people seem to care more about the drama, the sex appeal and the conduct of players rather than the actual games. This is more and more going from a real sport into american wrestling with predecided victors and speeches written by some off camera guy to increase drama. If the only way to grow is to sell out and stop caring about starcraft, then skip it.
The next step is proposing that you have to be good looking enough to get into a tournament.
On January 29 2012 16:10 Euronyme wrote: What's it matter? So many people seem to care more about the drama, the sex appeal and the conduct of players rather than the actual games. This is more and more going from a real sport into american wrestling with predecided victors and speeches written by some off camera guy to increase drama. If the only way to grow is to sell out and stop caring about starcraft, then skip it.
The next step is proposing that you have to be good looking enough to get into a tournament.
On January 29 2012 16:10 Euronyme wrote: What's it matter? So many people seem to care more about the drama, the sex appeal and the conduct of players rather than the actual games. This is more and more going from a real sport into american wrestling with predecided victors and speeches written by some off camera guy to increase drama. If the only way to grow is to sell out and stop caring about starcraft, then skip it.
The next step is proposing that you have to be good looking enough to get into a tournament.
Are you high?
Well, I havn't slept in 24 hours, but that's beside the point.
On January 29 2012 16:10 Euronyme wrote: What's it matter? So many people seem to care more about the drama, the sex appeal and the conduct of players rather than the actual games. This is more and more going from a real sport into american wrestling with predecided victors and speeches written by some off camera guy to increase drama. If the only way to grow is to sell out and stop caring about starcraft, then skip it.
The next step is proposing that you have to be good looking enough to get into a tournament.
Are you high?
Well, I havn't slept in 24 hours, but that's beside the point.
Well my point is that I think on the spectrum between caring about the actual games and the "sex appeal"/conduct of players Starcraft is still faaaaaaaaar on the side of the actual games. So don't be melodramatic
Well OP is right, mainstream means everyone has to appreciate it, so people who don't understand or care for the complexity and intellectual depth of StarCraft have to be enterained some other way. So giving pro gamers more sex appeal will give StarCraft a broader reach for people who can't be sold on the intracicies and beauty of the game alone. As for whether this is something we should be doing, whether we want people liking and being part of StarCraft solely for the sex appeal and drama, thats another thing altogether.
the gaming scene in america is protrayed as we're all ugly people with no girlfriends, jobs, or social skills. Channels like g4 don't help that sterotype of gamers either. Gaming has gone mainstream, but the sterotype is kind of hard to break free from. When you go to gaming types of conventions for the most part the sterotype holds, unfortunently. =/ hopefully this trend ends and gamers as a whole get some more respect, haha.
Image means so much in these types of things. It attracts more viewers which mean more money. Money. Money. Money. That's what it all comes down to. It's all about the money money money. Always about the money money money.
On January 29 2012 16:03 Crunktd wrote: ..... muscluar does not equate to sex appeal...... why are foreigners so hanged up on this....
Ummm Yes it does. Are you retarded? Masculinity/ femininity IS SEX APPEAL. Muscles are the core definition of what I think most people see as a masculine man... AKA Sex appeal. Do you not watch any commercials??? Muscles are masculinity which is SEX APPEAL.
On January 29 2012 16:03 Crunktd wrote: ..... muscluar does not equate to sex appeal...... why are foreigners so hanged up on this....
Ummm Yes it does. Are you retarded? Masculinity/ femininity IS SEX APPEAL. Muscles are the core definition of what I think most people see as a masculine man... AKA Sex appeal. Do you not watch any commercials??? Muscles are masculinity which is SEX APPEAL.
they actually arent everywhere. you're ignorant.
i think theres just a miscommunication here
women that are thrown around in the average commercial to be sexy normally arent "jacked" with lots of muscles. girls being jacked with muscles would be seen as tomboys or something
on the flip side, many commercials have skinny men, even skinny men being portrayed as attractive, however id say on average most of the time a commercial has a dude in it and they are trying to sell sex appeal, normally the man isnt super skinny like a woman. Normally the man has a bit more muscles than a woman, not as much as incontrol but the dude doesnt look like 2008 idra either
so yes, muscles does equal sex appeal, however it depends on the context/assumptions you use that statement in, meaning it probably means absolutely nothing since there is no way to actually define anything in this argument
so actually, on second thought, i would say the correct answer is that *BOTH* of you are wrong
He turned it from a game of old men in weird ass clothes to a sport kids wanted to play.
Image isn't everything, but it's nearly everything. Without a good image, SCII will be relegated to the minority fringe. Purists are fine, but they have to understand that they can't ask for both, either SCII grows, and the image grows with it, or it stagnates and remains the game they currently love.
The problem lies in the fact that 90% of the world's populations still believe in the innate yet untrue fact that Games =\= Bad. Golf was just boring. It didn't have any negativity attributed to it. Gaming, however has been slammed so badly by the media that it carries a very bad vibe regardless of how people portray it nowadays. Sigh.
On January 29 2012 17:22 ThomasHobbes wrote: Look at what Tiger Woods did for golf.
He turned it from a game of old men in weird ass clothes to a sport kids wanted to play.
Image isn't everything, but it's nearly everything. Without a good image, SCII will be relegated to the minority fringe. Purists are fine, but they have to understand that they can't ask for both, either SCII grows, and the image grows with it, or it stagnates and remains the game they currently love.
I love the passion, but StarCraft is not going mainstream. It is not mainstream and it never will, and it is not because of how SC2 pro gamers look like. We'll have to wait years for pro gaming to go mainstream in the west. And the game/games could be totally different.
StarCraft lives in the internet, supported by enthusiastic people who also play the game. It should not matter if we have hot looking guido pro gamers or not. It's a niche sport.
On January 29 2012 19:30 Coeus1 wrote: I love the passion, but StarCraft is not going mainstream. It is not mainstream and it never will, and it is not because of how SC2 pro gamers look like. We'll have to wait years for pro gaming to go mainstream in the west. And the game/games could be totally different.
StarCraft lives in the internet, supported by enthusiastic people who also play the game. It should not matter if we have hot looking guido pro gamers or not. It's a niche sport.
On January 29 2012 11:57 Mortal wrote: i think if we had tyler walking down a red carpet in a speedo then the koreans would need to step their shit up.
I see your Tyler and raise you a NaDa.
nada doesn't impress me, tyler on the other hand, is a sasquatch bearman. (nada's body is not special)
WHAT BLASPHEMY IS THIS?
he think being big and muscular equals to being sexy, I must disagree.
when did i say that? it's not hard to achieve low bf% with barely any muscle mass. look @ swimmers. i'm unimpressed
On January 30 2012 04:53 Keone wrote: My mass voting has brought Select to #1, MMA to #2, and Nada to #5... somewhat satisfied.
Don't understand how MVP is at #3.
The picture of MVP is a fairly good one. He's really not that good-looking though. To be fair, NaDa's face isn't particularly outstanding either, but he's got really, really nice arms.
Glad to see Lyn high up on his own merit. He really is a handsome fellow. SeleCT beats everyone, though. Not only is he handsome, he can fucking sing.
On December 30 2011 02:29 discobaas wrote: Keep in mind that most koreans actually ARE in good shape, unlike most foreigners :p
Funny joke. For the most part foreigners (for sc2) are in pretty decent if not great shape. Sure a few are rather large though most are rather slim an work out and such. Pretty much the whole EG house works out daily an thats just one example of many others. So quit generalizing cause for the most part it's entirely wrong.
On December 30 2011 02:29 discobaas wrote: Keep in mind that most koreans actually ARE in good shape, unlike most foreigners :p
Funny joke. For the most part foreigners (for sc2) are in pretty decent if not great shape. Sure a few are rather large though most are rather slim an work out and such. Pretty much the whole EG house works out daily an thats just one example of many others. So quit generalizing cause for the most part it's entirely wrong.
Every country has their own JulyZerg's and VTSpades's.
On December 30 2011 02:29 discobaas wrote: Keep in mind that most koreans actually ARE in good shape, unlike most foreigners :p
Funny joke. For the most part foreigners (for sc2) are in pretty decent if not great shape. Sure a few are rather large though most are rather slim an work out and such. Pretty much the whole EG house works out daily an thats just one example of many others. So quit generalizing cause for the most part it's entirely wrong.
Every country has their own JulyZerg's and VTSpades's.
No one insults the God of War on my watch!
On a serious note though, maybe we should not focus on the sex appeal too much. We definitely do not want our progamers to become sexual objects rather than cyber-athletes, which is very likely to happen since there are many foreigner progamers who are not particularly successful in tournaments but act more as community figures.
On January 30 2012 07:22 GamerBill74 wrote: It is obvious that this is true (we NEED to help the image of a programer in the west) however the main question is how the heck do we improve it??
Wear a bit of cosmetics (reasonable amount for their gender) get good skin care wear good clothes. (Well designed team uniform) T-shirts are good, but I think something more of a polo style with a jacket would work too.( yes I love formula jackets.) have good posture. And well styled hair.
On January 30 2012 07:22 GamerBill74 wrote: It is obvious that this is true (we NEED to help the image of a programer in the west) however the main question is how the heck do we improve it??
Wear a bit of cosmetics (reasonable amount for their gender) get good skin care wear good clothes. (Well designed team uniform) T-shirts are good, but I think something more of a polo style with a jacket would work too.( yes I love formula jackets.) have good posture. And well styled hair.
Honestly, all you need to do is look well-maintained. There are a ton of Korean pros who really aren't that handsome but manage to pull off a good image, because they just maintain themselves well. The only SC2 progamer in the Korean scene who I'd consider legitimately "handsome" (as in movie-star handsome) would probably be Boxer back when he was younger.
Some players just have unfortunate images set up for themselves on that website, lol. Like, all of dignitas minus SeleCT. (Who I guess is pretty close to movie-star handsome. I can't tell if that might just be my bias speaking though; he really does have a nice voice.)
On January 30 2012 07:22 GamerBill74 wrote: It is obvious that this is true (we NEED to help the image of a programer in the west) however the main question is how the heck do we improve it??
Wear a bit of cosmetics (reasonable amount for their gender) get good skin care wear good clothes. (Well designed team uniform) T-shirts are good, but I think something more of a polo style with a jacket would work too.( yes I love formula jackets.) have good posture. And well styled hair.
Honestly, all you need to do is look well-maintained. There are a ton of Korean pros who really aren't that handsome but manage to pull off a good image, because they just maintain themselves well. The only SC2 progamer in the Korean scene who I'd consider legitimately "handsome" (as in movie-star handsome) would probably be Boxer back when he was younger.
Some players just have unfortunate images set up for themselves on that website, lol. Like, all of dignitas minus SeleCT. (Who I guess is pretty close to movie-star handsome. I can't tell if that might just be my bias speaking though; he really does have a nice voice.)
They just have to look professional and presentable.
On January 31 2012 12:56 suejak wrote: lol, so many people here are stuck in some kind of weird US-media-created fantasy world where you gotta be super jacked to be hot.
Johnny Depp and Orlando Bloom? Robert Pattinson? Almost any rock star? Fuck, even Justin Bieber. They ignore evidence even in their own culture, lol.
Not a single person you just listed is hot. Aside from the legion of pre-teen girls and desperate housewives screaming their names, no one finds them attractive.
On January 31 2012 12:56 suejak wrote: lol, so many people here are stuck in some kind of weird US-media-created fantasy world where you gotta be super jacked to be hot.
Johnny Depp and Orlando Bloom? Robert Pattinson? Almost any rock star? Fuck, even Justin Bieber. They ignore evidence even in their own culture, lol.
Not a single person you just listed is hot. Aside from the legion of pre-teen girls and desperate housewives screaming their names, no one finds them attractive.
you couldn't be more wrong, every girl I know thinks Johnny Depp is like the hottest man alive
On January 31 2012 12:56 suejak wrote: lol, so many people here are stuck in some kind of weird US-media-created fantasy world where you gotta be super jacked to be hot.
Johnny Depp and Orlando Bloom? Robert Pattinson? Almost any rock star? Fuck, even Justin Bieber. They ignore evidence even in their own culture, lol.
Not a single person you just listed is hot. Aside from the legion of pre-teen girls and desperate housewives screaming their names, no one finds them attractive.
Wtf??
Where do you live? Mars?
I would say travel the world, but fuck man, travel your own country. Talk to some people. Get your head out of the sand.
Anyway, I live in Japan, where they WORSHIP exactly two white men: Johnny Depp and Orlando Bloom. They are everywhere, and chicks love em.
My mom is the biggest muscle bimbo in the world and even she thinks Orlando Bloom is hot, lol.
On January 31 2012 12:56 suejak wrote: lol, so many people here are stuck in some kind of weird US-media-created fantasy world where you gotta be super jacked to be hot.
Johnny Depp and Orlando Bloom? Robert Pattinson? Almost any rock star? Fuck, even Justin Bieber. They ignore evidence even in their own culture, lol.
It goes back far further than that. Look at the Beatles when they toured America.
Yeah the fan girl aspect of scbw is a HUGE part of its popularity over there and it hasnt transferred to sc2. I have no clue how we can make that work in the west though.
On January 31 2012 20:14 Detwiler wrote: Yeah the fan girl aspect of scbw is a HUGE part of its popularity over there and it hasnt transferred to sc2. I have no clue how we can make that work in the west though.
lol, i guess we should pass that info on to all the sc2 pros who've dated random fangirls (idra, ret, probably more i've forgotten).
All it really takes is one good photoshoot with a professional crew and makeup crew. You guys have the money and the attention, it's just logistics and organizing the event. Hopefully something like Blizzcon or some Invitational where all the big guns can get a good group photo with some media coverage, maybe even make a hype/promo video like OSL MSL has with CG and shit.
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