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Hope you can do it well,
Great to see more female progamers getting in the scene
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On December 25 2011 22:58 Bottles wrote:Show nested quote +On December 25 2011 22:50 zaii wrote:On December 25 2011 22:44 Bottles wrote:On December 25 2011 04:02 LuckyFool wrote:On December 24 2011 23:23 Bottles wrote:
I can't get my head around the hate generated in this thread.. She's a girl big deal? She's on par with existing players on the team. She plays Starcraft like everyone else here. She is better than most of the posters here.. Bad move for E-Sports? Picture thousands of nerds throwing love for her when she does prove herself. Picture the nerd stereotype of video games flying straight out the window when Quantic's newest pick up delivers. For fuck sake we're mostly guys here - don't be fucking wusses and give the woman some props! Merry Christmas I think most of the hate are butthurt guys who think she got this spot simply because shes female. I sort of get it.. But as I see it Destiny got his spot because he's a popular streamer yet I don't see this hate. Now, if people are thinking they deserve to be on a premier team because of their Starcraft skills alone (Ladder Ranking or whatever) they'll have to realize they do need some sort of appeal. Popular streamer? Attractive Female? I works for a team and e-sports. So again quit being wusses. I know it probably feels like high school politics but you do have the opportunity to wear some cool shades next time you play. Destiny has a shit ton of fans compared to flo Did you understand my post mate? Yeah Destiny is popular so he doesn't get all this hate but him being a personality and her being well.. her is essentially the same thing.
It isnt the same thing at all. Destiny was signed because he has/is a personality, she was signed because she is a girl. Unless if "Being a girl" is a personality now...But I though the point was NOT to be sexist?
Signing a girl based solely on the fact that she is a girl is sexism. People are mad about that. and to argue with the "Jackie robinson" posts I see. She does NOT have to be the best to get signed to a contract but....at least being in grandmasters on NA would be nice.
With that being said, smart move by Quantic, I dont blame them a bit. She is one of, if not the best females in the game. This will bring them a ton of good and bad press, and their sponsors love that.
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I don't see why so many people are crying about Flo joining Quantic. Look at Danica Patrick, how many people watched Indy races just to see her? She's never won a race, but her marketing potential is just as much or more than that of Indy Champions.
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Hiring a female in a largely male-dominant scene. Gender discrimination? Problem logic?
YOU GO GIRL!
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On December 30 2011 11:10 NinerB wrote:
I don't see why so many people are crying about Flo joining Quantic. Look at Danica Patrick, how many people watched Indy races just to see her? She's never won a race, but her marketing potential is just as much or more than that of Indy Champions.
Yeah, that's the point. That's what people are crying about - bad players getting picked up by teams just because they are female, and therefor garner attention.
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On December 30 2011 11:10 NinerB wrote:
I don't see why so many people are crying about Flo joining Quantic. Look at Danica Patrick, how many people watched Indy races just to see her? She's never won a race, but her marketing potential is just as much or more than that of Indy Champions.
yea except danica has won a race and has placed well in races before.
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Congrats to flo and quantic. Best of luck to both.
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On December 30 2011 17:09 ChaosTriggeR wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2011 11:10 NinerB wrote:
I don't see why so many people are crying about Flo joining Quantic. Look at Danica Patrick, how many people watched Indy races just to see her? She's never won a race, but her marketing potential is just as much or more than that of Indy Champions. yea except danica has won a race and has placed well in races before.
so she's like a slightly better incontrol?
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"Don't .. overcommit .."
"Don't all-in?!"
" haha Don't all in. Play a clean meta-game"
pretty sweet
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I just hope she wasn't signed because she is a girl, I hope she was signed because she's talented. We've seen too much blind recruiting based on "looks" and having no girls on pro teams. Hopefully this time is different.
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It's silly, without a team's support, the odds that any girl gets to top of GM and competes with any males pros is pretty damn small. With a team, maybe this could happen.
Every time a girl gets signed on by a team I'm hopeful that they take it seriously enough to start winning games in big tournaments. With some girls in the pro scene, there is 50% of the world population that is less likely to feel alienated by E-Sports and professional Starcraft, which is always ALWAYS a good thing.
And yet every time a team picks up a girl, people are mad that she isn't good enough, and whine about it in forums. IT MUST BE SEXIST!!! But I'm sure these people would "love to see a girl picked up that's as good as the pros". So how do you expect it to get to that point. Sitting and waiting for the god-tier female players to show up sure isn't working, So picking the very best girls and giving them a lot of opportunity to improve sounds like a good option. We're just lucky to be in a situation where this choice is profitable for teams to make, because of all girl tourneys and publicity.
Also, Congrats to Flo, easily my favorite female SCII player. I hope to see you wrecking faces in many tournaments to come!
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On December 30 2011 17:06 vOdToasT wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2011 11:10 NinerB wrote:
I don't see why so many people are crying about Flo joining Quantic. Look at Danica Patrick, how many people watched Indy races just to see her? She's never won a race, but her marketing potential is just as much or more than that of Indy Champions. Yeah, that's the point. That's what people are crying about - bad players getting picked up by teams just because they are female, and therefor garner attention.
so both players are picked up for things other than their gaming skill. destiny/flow
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On January 01 2012 02:53 Spudlyman wrote:
It's silly, without a team's support, the odds that any girl gets to top of GM and competes with any males pros is pretty damn small. With a team, maybe this could happen.
Every time a girl gets signed on by a team I'm hopeful that they take it seriously enough to start winning games in big tournaments. With some girls in the pro scene, there is 50% of the world population that is less likely to feel alienated by E-Sports and professional Starcraft, which is always ALWAYS a good thing.
And yet every time a team picks up a girl, people are mad that she isn't good enough, and whine about it in forums. IT MUST BE SEXIST!!! But I'm sure these people would "love to see a girl picked up that's as good as the pros". So how do you expect it to get to that point. Sitting and waiting for the god-tier female players to show up sure isn't working, So picking the very best girls and giving them a lot of opportunity to improve sounds like a good option. We're just lucky to be in a situation where this choice is profitable for teams to make, because of all girl tourneys and publicity.
Also, Congrats to Flo, easily my favorite female SCII player. I hope to see you wrecking faces in many tournaments to come!
That's the problem, if she isn't being recruited off of skill level alone, its sexist to the male gender for her to be recruited. And saying someone can't get recruited without a team's support is stupid. There's free playhems every day, Open Tourney's etc. The main problem is that not as many females play, otherwise we'd have a much larger pool of talented women to pull from. Bottom Line: She's taking the place of someone much more skillful than herself, and the same could be said of Destiny or other "personalities" who never perform well.
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On January 05 2012 02:48 Haste2005 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2012 02:53 Spudlyman wrote:
It's silly, without a team's support, the odds that any girl gets to top of GM and competes with any males pros is pretty damn small. With a team, maybe this could happen.
Every time a girl gets signed on by a team I'm hopeful that they take it seriously enough to start winning games in big tournaments. With some girls in the pro scene, there is 50% of the world population that is less likely to feel alienated by E-Sports and professional Starcraft, which is always ALWAYS a good thing.
And yet every time a team picks up a girl, people are mad that she isn't good enough, and whine about it in forums. IT MUST BE SEXIST!!! But I'm sure these people would "love to see a girl picked up that's as good as the pros". So how do you expect it to get to that point. Sitting and waiting for the god-tier female players to show up sure isn't working, So picking the very best girls and giving them a lot of opportunity to improve sounds like a good option. We're just lucky to be in a situation where this choice is profitable for teams to make, because of all girl tourneys and publicity.
Also, Congrats to Flo, easily my favorite female SCII player. I hope to see you wrecking faces in many tournaments to come! That's the problem, if she isn't being recruited off of skill level alone, its sexist to the male gender for her to be recruited. And saying someone can't get recruited without a team's support is stupid. There's free playhems every day, Open Tourney's etc. The main problem is that not as many females play, otherwise we'd have a much larger pool of talented women to pull from. Bottom Line: She's taking the place of someone much more skillful than herself, and the same could be said of Destiny or other "personalities" who never perform well.
Oh get over it. HuK wasn't recruited and given a top salary off of skill level alone, but for being the best performing and marketable white dude. It must be racist to the Koreans for him to recruited then, am I correct? Life isn't fair.
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Quantic, please play her in the IPL TAC. It would be so cool to see how she fares against the best and great exposure for her.
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On January 05 2012 03:00 Longshank wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2012 02:48 Haste2005 wrote:On January 01 2012 02:53 Spudlyman wrote:
It's silly, without a team's support, the odds that any girl gets to top of GM and competes with any males pros is pretty damn small. With a team, maybe this could happen.
Every time a girl gets signed on by a team I'm hopeful that they take it seriously enough to start winning games in big tournaments. With some girls in the pro scene, there is 50% of the world population that is less likely to feel alienated by E-Sports and professional Starcraft, which is always ALWAYS a good thing.
And yet every time a team picks up a girl, people are mad that she isn't good enough, and whine about it in forums. IT MUST BE SEXIST!!! But I'm sure these people would "love to see a girl picked up that's as good as the pros". So how do you expect it to get to that point. Sitting and waiting for the god-tier female players to show up sure isn't working, So picking the very best girls and giving them a lot of opportunity to improve sounds like a good option. We're just lucky to be in a situation where this choice is profitable for teams to make, because of all girl tourneys and publicity.
Also, Congrats to Flo, easily my favorite female SCII player. I hope to see you wrecking faces in many tournaments to come! That's the problem, if she isn't being recruited off of skill level alone, its sexist to the male gender for her to be recruited. And saying someone can't get recruited without a team's support is stupid. There's free playhems every day, Open Tourney's etc. The main problem is that not as many females play, otherwise we'd have a much larger pool of talented women to pull from. Bottom Line: She's taking the place of someone much more skillful than herself, and the same could be said of Destiny or other "personalities" who never perform well. Oh get over it. HuK wasn't recruited and given a top salary off of skill level alone, but for being the best performing and marketable white dude. It must be racist to the Koreans for him to recruited then, am I correct? Life isn't fair.
Exactly. Going by the weird logic, there really should be one existing team with one member only. Since otherwise you are "taking a place of someone more skillful". /facepalm
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On January 05 2012 03:00 Longshank wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2012 02:48 Haste2005 wrote:On January 01 2012 02:53 Spudlyman wrote:
It's silly, without a team's support, the odds that any girl gets to top of GM and competes with any males pros is pretty damn small. With a team, maybe this could happen.
Every time a girl gets signed on by a team I'm hopeful that they take it seriously enough to start winning games in big tournaments. With some girls in the pro scene, there is 50% of the world population that is less likely to feel alienated by E-Sports and professional Starcraft, which is always ALWAYS a good thing.
And yet every time a team picks up a girl, people are mad that she isn't good enough, and whine about it in forums. IT MUST BE SEXIST!!! But I'm sure these people would "love to see a girl picked up that's as good as the pros". So how do you expect it to get to that point. Sitting and waiting for the god-tier female players to show up sure isn't working, So picking the very best girls and giving them a lot of opportunity to improve sounds like a good option. We're just lucky to be in a situation where this choice is profitable for teams to make, because of all girl tourneys and publicity.
Also, Congrats to Flo, easily my favorite female SCII player. I hope to see you wrecking faces in many tournaments to come! That's the problem, if she isn't being recruited off of skill level alone, its sexist to the male gender for her to be recruited. And saying someone can't get recruited without a team's support is stupid. There's free playhems every day, Open Tourney's etc. The main problem is that not as many females play, otherwise we'd have a much larger pool of talented women to pull from. Bottom Line: She's taking the place of someone much more skillful than herself, and the same could be said of Destiny or other "personalities" who never perform well. Oh get over it. HuK wasn't recruited and given a top salary off of skill level alone, but for being the best performing and marketable white dude. It must be racist to the Koreans for him to recruited then, am I correct? Life isn't fair.
I don't even know where to begin when replying to this. HuK has won Dreamhack, performed well, played in Code S, etc. Flo has done what? Lost to KellyMilkies?
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On January 05 2012 03:21 rotegirte wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2012 03:00 Longshank wrote:On January 05 2012 02:48 Haste2005 wrote:On January 01 2012 02:53 Spudlyman wrote:
It's silly, without a team's support, the odds that any girl gets to top of GM and competes with any males pros is pretty damn small. With a team, maybe this could happen.
Every time a girl gets signed on by a team I'm hopeful that they take it seriously enough to start winning games in big tournaments. With some girls in the pro scene, there is 50% of the world population that is less likely to feel alienated by E-Sports and professional Starcraft, which is always ALWAYS a good thing.
And yet every time a team picks up a girl, people are mad that she isn't good enough, and whine about it in forums. IT MUST BE SEXIST!!! But I'm sure these people would "love to see a girl picked up that's as good as the pros". So how do you expect it to get to that point. Sitting and waiting for the god-tier female players to show up sure isn't working, So picking the very best girls and giving them a lot of opportunity to improve sounds like a good option. We're just lucky to be in a situation where this choice is profitable for teams to make, because of all girl tourneys and publicity.
Also, Congrats to Flo, easily my favorite female SCII player. I hope to see you wrecking faces in many tournaments to come! That's the problem, if she isn't being recruited off of skill level alone, its sexist to the male gender for her to be recruited. And saying someone can't get recruited without a team's support is stupid. There's free playhems every day, Open Tourney's etc. The main problem is that not as many females play, otherwise we'd have a much larger pool of talented women to pull from. Bottom Line: She's taking the place of someone much more skillful than herself, and the same could be said of Destiny or other "personalities" who never perform well. Oh get over it. HuK wasn't recruited and given a top salary off of skill level alone, but for being the best performing and marketable white dude. It must be racist to the Koreans for him to recruited then, am I correct? Life isn't fair. Exactly. Going by the weird logic, there really should be one existing team with one member only. Since otherwise you are "taking a place of someone more skillful". /facepalm
Weird logic. Like performing well in a single tournament in SC2. Yeah, I see your point... /facepalm
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On December 30 2011 17:06 vOdToasT wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2011 11:10 NinerB wrote:
I don't see why so many people are crying about Flo joining Quantic. Look at Danica Patrick, how many people watched Indy races just to see her? She's never won a race, but her marketing potential is just as much or more than that of Indy Champions. Yeah, that's the point. That's what people are crying about - bad players getting picked up by teams just because they are female, and therefor garner attention.
she is probably better than 90% of the people crying about her joining,
shes not a bad player at all
now there are plenty of really bad players that are on pro teams , yet nobody cries about them .people need to grow the fuck up
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On January 05 2012 03:52 Haste2005 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2012 03:21 rotegirte wrote:On January 05 2012 03:00 Longshank wrote:On January 05 2012 02:48 Haste2005 wrote:On January 01 2012 02:53 Spudlyman wrote:
It's silly, without a team's support, the odds that any girl gets to top of GM and competes with any males pros is pretty damn small. With a team, maybe this could happen.
Every time a girl gets signed on by a team I'm hopeful that they take it seriously enough to start winning games in big tournaments. With some girls in the pro scene, there is 50% of the world population that is less likely to feel alienated by E-Sports and professional Starcraft, which is always ALWAYS a good thing.
And yet every time a team picks up a girl, people are mad that she isn't good enough, and whine about it in forums. IT MUST BE SEXIST!!! But I'm sure these people would "love to see a girl picked up that's as good as the pros". So how do you expect it to get to that point. Sitting and waiting for the god-tier female players to show up sure isn't working, So picking the very best girls and giving them a lot of opportunity to improve sounds like a good option. We're just lucky to be in a situation where this choice is profitable for teams to make, because of all girl tourneys and publicity.
Also, Congrats to Flo, easily my favorite female SCII player. I hope to see you wrecking faces in many tournaments to come! That's the problem, if she isn't being recruited off of skill level alone, its sexist to the male gender for her to be recruited. And saying someone can't get recruited without a team's support is stupid. There's free playhems every day, Open Tourney's etc. The main problem is that not as many females play, otherwise we'd have a much larger pool of talented women to pull from. Bottom Line: She's taking the place of someone much more skillful than herself, and the same could be said of Destiny or other "personalities" who never perform well. Oh get over it. HuK wasn't recruited and given a top salary off of skill level alone, but for being the best performing and marketable white dude. It must be racist to the Koreans for him to recruited then, am I correct? Life isn't fair. Exactly. Going by the weird logic, there really should be one existing team with one member only. Since otherwise you are "taking a place of someone more skillful". /facepalm Weird logic. Like performing well in a single tournament in SC2. Yeah, I see your point... /facepalm
As your answer implies, no, you don't get the point at all. You failed to realize the problems inherited with a strict "but there are better players" policy, because there will almost always be better players. Hence accordingly there really should be only one player getting the whole industry's worth of support- aka the best player, the only one to which your faulty judgment doesn't apply? There isn't even remotely something like a Power Rank established, yet we have barely finished one tournament season of what you could call a stable game. Why did folks like Attero, Gatored, Future get picked up? Because they were Nestea, clearly. Or, because the teams wanted to. It's that easy. No one is entitled to an endorsement. As I have no obligation to employ anyone as business owner. I might not like your face. I hire people I like, or else I don't at all.
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