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cosimorondo
Profile Joined November 2010
United States78 Posts
May 24 2012 23:51 GMT
#761
Hey Khaldor, you casting quality and knowledge has improved tremendously since you moved to Korea, keep up the good work!
nebffa
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Australia776 Posts
May 25 2012 00:00 GMT
#762
On May 25 2012 02:35 Faveokatro wrote:
I think you guys are harping on the calling out of mistakes too much. It's a necessary part of casting - it just shouldn't be dominating the cast (obviously some games are exceptions, like TheBest's banshee play). Saying casters should avoid criticizing is just as bad as the opposite extreme. Tastosis does it all the time, and I don't see anyone jumping on their throats about it.

That said, I do think Khaldor and Wolf do it a bit too much, especially in some situations where it's impossible to really say if it is a mistake. Or even worse, when it obviously wasn't a mistake from the get-go. But casters develop that over time, Tastosis has had a lot more time in Korea and seen a lot more games.


Not true. In fact I am almost certain Khaldor read this thread after Group C up and downs because of how he casted in the Group D.

There was a TvZ on Daybreak and Wolf is yelling "HE NEEDS TO GO IN WITH THE VIKINGS NO HE'S NOT THIS IS SO BAD" or something to that effect. Were it Group C I think Khaldor would've agreed, but Khaldor instead said "no but he doesn't know if there's a fungal waiting for him - one fungal and he will lose all those vikings". When I heard that I was like - thank god, yes that is 100% true, and you can start thinking from the player's point of view and the in-game tension they are experiencing. In my opinion that was a function of Khaldor coming to this thread, reading some of the feedback, and trying to implement something of a little different style into his commentating. Personally, I loved it.

That is the entire reason this thread exists - to give Khaldor feedback. He reads the thread not so he can feel like a dickhead each time he casts but so he can improve.
MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
May 25 2012 00:29 GMT
#763
On May 25 2012 09:00 nebffa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2012 02:35 Faveokatro wrote:
I think you guys are harping on the calling out of mistakes too much. It's a necessary part of casting - it just shouldn't be dominating the cast (obviously some games are exceptions, like TheBest's banshee play). Saying casters should avoid criticizing is just as bad as the opposite extreme. Tastosis does it all the time, and I don't see anyone jumping on their throats about it.

That said, I do think Khaldor and Wolf do it a bit too much, especially in some situations where it's impossible to really say if it is a mistake. Or even worse, when it obviously wasn't a mistake from the get-go. But casters develop that over time, Tastosis has had a lot more time in Korea and seen a lot more games.


Not true. In fact I am almost certain Khaldor read this thread after Group C up and downs because of how he casted in the Group D.

There was a TvZ on Daybreak and Wolf is yelling "HE NEEDS TO GO IN WITH THE VIKINGS NO HE'S NOT THIS IS SO BAD" or something to that effect. Were it Group C I think Khaldor would've agreed, but Khaldor instead said "no but he doesn't know if there's a fungal waiting for him - one fungal and he will lose all those vikings". When I heard that I was like - thank god, yes that is 100% true, and you can start thinking from the player's point of view and the in-game tension they are experiencing. In my opinion that was a function of Khaldor coming to this thread, reading some of the feedback, and trying to implement something of a little different style into his commentating. Personally, I loved it.

That is the entire reason this thread exists - to give Khaldor feedback. He reads the thread not so he can feel like a dickhead each time he casts but so he can improve.

Yep, Khaldor is a boss He read the feedback and adjusted between just 2 GSL days.
I think it'll be good for his chemistry with Wof, Wolf is very often criticizing the players, so when Khaldor was doing the same, it made for very one sided casts, especially as said before when we didn't even knew if the player made a mistake or not.
With Khaldor now giving the other point of view, it makes for a very entertaining cast. Up and downs group D was one of the best cast by Wolfdor imo.
Jepsyn
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Canada364 Posts
May 25 2012 00:33 GMT
#764
I have to admit i was a bit of a Khaldor hater at first but he has really improved and i actually really like his casting now
"Wonder what this game would be like if protoss units cost money" - IdrA
Ange777
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Germany1164 Posts
May 25 2012 01:27 GMT
#765
Me2! I didn't like his style at the start, especially his accent. Dunno, living in Germany where you encounter this accent every once in a while makes me kind of dislike it even more but somehow your casting grew on me after a while. Last time I heard you cast Iron Squid in german I was seriously confused. You sound so much different in german than english
♥ Sen - 台灣之光 ♥
zmatter
Profile Joined August 2011
United States12 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-25 02:52:59
May 25 2012 02:50 GMT
#766
Khaldor, I think you're fine. I think Wolf is what is taking away from your casting.

Prime example: Up & Downs with Polt vs. Ryung G3, Wolf just kept saying the stupidest things about how Polt was macro'ing terribly and playing bad when it was just not true. Thank you for calling him out on some of his analysis being exaggerated.
Faveokatro
Profile Joined August 2010
80 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-25 03:15:46
May 25 2012 03:15 GMT
#767
On May 25 2012 09:00 nebffa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2012 02:35 Faveokatro wrote:
I think you guys are harping on the calling out of mistakes too much. It's a necessary part of casting - it just shouldn't be dominating the cast (obviously some games are exceptions, like TheBest's banshee play). Saying casters should avoid criticizing is just as bad as the opposite extreme. Tastosis does it all the time, and I don't see anyone jumping on their throats about it.

That said, I do think Khaldor and Wolf do it a bit too much, especially in some situations where it's impossible to really say if it is a mistake. Or even worse, when it obviously wasn't a mistake from the get-go. But casters develop that over time, Tastosis has had a lot more time in Korea and seen a lot more games.


Not true. In fact I am almost certain Khaldor read this thread after Group C up and downs because of how he casted in the Group D.

There was a TvZ on Daybreak and Wolf is yelling "HE NEEDS TO GO IN WITH THE VIKINGS NO HE'S NOT THIS IS SO BAD" or something to that effect. Were it Group C I think Khaldor would've agreed, but Khaldor instead said "no but he doesn't know if there's a fungal waiting for him - one fungal and he will lose all those vikings". When I heard that I was like - thank god, yes that is 100% true, and you can start thinking from the player's point of view and the in-game tension they are experiencing. In my opinion that was a function of Khaldor coming to this thread, reading some of the feedback, and trying to implement something of a little different style into his commentating. Personally, I loved it.

That is the entire reason this thread exists - to give Khaldor feedback. He reads the thread not so he can feel like a dickhead each time he casts but so he can improve.


I disagree in this instance. As much as I don't like Wolf's hypercriticism, he was right in that situation and Khaldor was hedging needlessly. First, it was marines (not vikings). Second, Virus could see very clearly from his vision that Zenio's broodlords were sitting there with practically no support and a single fungal (iirc, may have even been a queen that had the energy not an infestor). He could've gone in, shredded the vestiges of Zenio's army and rolled him from there (granted, he couldn't know the second part of that). I'll give Virus the fact that he could've been worried an infestor would get there just in time, but the risk/reward was extremely stacked in his favor. You don't have to lose a ton of units to commit a major blunder, and this is definitely something casters should call them out on.

An analogous situation would be if a zerg could clearly see 6-7 tanks with only 10 marines to guard them, and didn't attack with his lings because he was afraid another squad of marines would arrive in time.
AxionSteel
Profile Joined January 2011
United States7754 Posts
May 25 2012 04:03 GMT
#768
Criticism is totally fine and neccessary imo, happens in all pro sports casts, but definitely the correct balance must be found, can't have it totally dominate the cast, especially if it's a high level game with lots of high level play.
Zahir
Profile Joined March 2012
United States947 Posts
May 25 2012 04:11 GMT
#769
What really puts Khaldor ahead is his professionalism. While the other casters often come off as enthusiastic, nerdy amateurs (nothing wrong with that) Khaldor is always focused on casting the game at hand, or talking sc2 shop. Plus he sounds like the fucking terminator, which is cool. C'mon Khaldor... Say hasta la vista in a cast! just once!
What is best? To crush the Zerg, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of the Protoss.
babybell
Profile Joined June 2011
776 Posts
May 25 2012 12:07 GMT
#770
Bringing Khlador to Korea was the best choice Gom has made. He has steadily become the most professional Starcraft caster next to Artosis. On top of that he is awesome
Krugessin
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden54 Posts
May 25 2012 13:12 GMT
#771
Interesting games in the up&downs this week made even better by Waldorf (Yes, that's the proper name for Wolf and Khaldor duo, a yummy fruity slightly nutty combo salad).

They always were good but lately seems to be getting really comfy together, GREAT at balancing witty banter and dorky comments with doing play by play and analysis (and discussion) of what we're seeing in the matches.

When I dig deep for ANYTHING negative to say, I guess for full perfection you still need a better way of sorting out the possible outcomes in group play, who's 100% out or in and what kind of ties can happen. Maybe some kind of app or program, or a council of TLers always always supplying current info

Khaldor must have really improved his english skills, I used to notice odd or repeated expressions along with some off pronunciations that didnt really bother me THAT much, but still were there. This whole week I think I only ever got suspicious of a single word: Determine/determined needs your attention I think, Khaldor.

Amazing job in every way, really, and Wolf too.
whiterabbit
Profile Joined June 2009
2675 Posts
May 25 2012 13:20 GMT
#772
Don't have some big constructive feedback but I just wanted to say that I always liked your casting Khaldor, and that Gom made amazing decision bringing you to Korea. U&D matches were pure awesomeness, both because of good games and good casting. Keep it up!
NUTELLA y u no make me skinny?!?
Shunjal
Profile Joined August 2010
United States482 Posts
May 25 2012 13:23 GMT
#773
Always enjoy Khaldor casts, thanks for getting the qualifier stream off the ground!
fenrysk
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States364 Posts
May 25 2012 13:27 GMT
#774
Khaldor, i been a fan of your casting since you showed up for Code A, and i've tuned in on a few of the KSL broadcasts. i only have a few pieces of constructive crits that only apply when you have a co-caster (Code A / Up & Down):

1. i noticed you have a habit of repeating the exact thing your co-caster says right after your co-caster makes an observation of the what's going on in the game. i'm okay with this sometimes when it's for emphasis on a particularly smart or well executed play or a particularly glaring mistake from a player, but i think you could try to be a bit more aware as to not overdo it.

2. i noticed a tendency to talk over your co-caster, sometimes forcing him (both wolf and artosis depending on the day) to try to compete with you for microphone presence. try to look for good timings in your cast to break commentary and let your co-caster pick up rather than fighting with him for vocal presence (possibly you could go the Tastosis route and work with you co-caster for perfectly synchronized shouting of words).

these are what i feel could be most improved upon in the current state of your casting metagame.
thanks and keep up the good work!
http://fenrysk-art.deviantart.com
bigbeau
Profile Joined October 2010
368 Posts
May 25 2012 14:21 GMT
#775
On May 25 2012 12:15 Faveokatro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 25 2012 09:00 nebffa wrote:
On May 25 2012 02:35 Faveokatro wrote:
I think you guys are harping on the calling out of mistakes too much. It's a necessary part of casting - it just shouldn't be dominating the cast (obviously some games are exceptions, like TheBest's banshee play). Saying casters should avoid criticizing is just as bad as the opposite extreme. Tastosis does it all the time, and I don't see anyone jumping on their throats about it.

That said, I do think Khaldor and Wolf do it a bit too much, especially in some situations where it's impossible to really say if it is a mistake. Or even worse, when it obviously wasn't a mistake from the get-go. But casters develop that over time, Tastosis has had a lot more time in Korea and seen a lot more games.


Not true. In fact I am almost certain Khaldor read this thread after Group C up and downs because of how he casted in the Group D.

There was a TvZ on Daybreak and Wolf is yelling "HE NEEDS TO GO IN WITH THE VIKINGS NO HE'S NOT THIS IS SO BAD" or something to that effect. Were it Group C I think Khaldor would've agreed, but Khaldor instead said "no but he doesn't know if there's a fungal waiting for him - one fungal and he will lose all those vikings". When I heard that I was like - thank god, yes that is 100% true, and you can start thinking from the player's point of view and the in-game tension they are experiencing. In my opinion that was a function of Khaldor coming to this thread, reading some of the feedback, and trying to implement something of a little different style into his commentating. Personally, I loved it.

That is the entire reason this thread exists - to give Khaldor feedback. He reads the thread not so he can feel like a dickhead each time he casts but so he can improve.


I disagree in this instance. As much as I don't like Wolf's hypercriticism, he was right in that situation and Khaldor was hedging needlessly. First, it was marines (not vikings). Second, Virus could see very clearly from his vision that Zenio's broodlords were sitting there with practically no support and a single fungal (iirc, may have even been a queen that had the energy not an infestor). He could've gone in, shredded the vestiges of Zenio's army and rolled him from there (granted, he couldn't know the second part of that). I'll give Virus the fact that he could've been worried an infestor would get there just in time, but the risk/reward was extremely stacked in his favor. You don't have to lose a ton of units to commit a major blunder, and this is definitely something casters should call them out on.

An analogous situation would be if a zerg could clearly see 6-7 tanks with only 10 marines to guard them, and didn't attack with his lings because he was afraid another squad of marines would arrive in time.


No, the situation that he was talking about happened today and it was bbongbbong vs heart i believe. So maybe in your situation wolf was correct, but in today's instance wolf was wrong and khaldor correctly casted the situation.
Blup1
Profile Joined February 2012
Germany4 Posts
May 27 2012 10:38 GMT
#776
Hi Khaldor,

I watched you streaming the games between TLO and Shine today (not sure if its for gomtv), but I have to give you a great feedback. It was soo amazing, how you had full emotions in your comments, crazy.

I'm just a bit angry, 'cause you didnt make TLO winning that game

Blup

(can I write in german next time?)
nunez
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Norway4003 Posts
May 27 2012 10:46 GMT
#777
the coverage of the preliminaries today were awesome khaldor. hope you can keep it up.
making me a really happy nerd.

in particular i loved your casting with tod.
conspired against by a confederacy of dunces.
Jetaap
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France4814 Posts
May 27 2012 10:48 GMT
#778
Thanks for streaming the qualifier, and also for being so passionate when TLO was playing ^^.
nonsence
Profile Joined July 2010
United States57 Posts
May 27 2012 10:55 GMT
#779
You've gotten so much better since you first got to korea! Keep it up
OMG Bear is driving! How is that possible?
takingbackoj
Profile Joined December 2010
United States684 Posts
May 27 2012 10:56 GMT
#780
On May 27 2012 19:48 Jetaap wrote:
Thanks for streaming the qualifier, and also for being so passionate when TLO was playing ^^.

Ya that was pretty cool of him to do for the community no doubt.
Get the hell outta here Der Beek, your'e ruining my moment.
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