EPTKhaldor's casting for GomTV - Feedback & Poll - Page 39
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cosimorondo
United States78 Posts
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nebffa
Australia776 Posts
On May 25 2012 02:35 Faveokatro wrote: I think you guys are harping on the calling out of mistakes too much. It's a necessary part of casting - it just shouldn't be dominating the cast (obviously some games are exceptions, like TheBest's banshee play). Saying casters should avoid criticizing is just as bad as the opposite extreme. Tastosis does it all the time, and I don't see anyone jumping on their throats about it. That said, I do think Khaldor and Wolf do it a bit too much, especially in some situations where it's impossible to really say if it is a mistake. Or even worse, when it obviously wasn't a mistake from the get-go. But casters develop that over time, Tastosis has had a lot more time in Korea and seen a lot more games. Not true. In fact I am almost certain Khaldor read this thread after Group C up and downs because of how he casted in the Group D. There was a TvZ on Daybreak and Wolf is yelling "HE NEEDS TO GO IN WITH THE VIKINGS NO HE'S NOT THIS IS SO BAD" or something to that effect. Were it Group C I think Khaldor would've agreed, but Khaldor instead said "no but he doesn't know if there's a fungal waiting for him - one fungal and he will lose all those vikings". When I heard that I was like - thank god, yes that is 100% true, and you can start thinking from the player's point of view and the in-game tension they are experiencing. In my opinion that was a function of Khaldor coming to this thread, reading some of the feedback, and trying to implement something of a little different style into his commentating. Personally, I loved it. That is the entire reason this thread exists - to give Khaldor feedback. He reads the thread not so he can feel like a dickhead each time he casts but so he can improve. | ||
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MrCon
France29748 Posts
On May 25 2012 09:00 nebffa wrote: Not true. In fact I am almost certain Khaldor read this thread after Group C up and downs because of how he casted in the Group D. There was a TvZ on Daybreak and Wolf is yelling "HE NEEDS TO GO IN WITH THE VIKINGS NO HE'S NOT THIS IS SO BAD" or something to that effect. Were it Group C I think Khaldor would've agreed, but Khaldor instead said "no but he doesn't know if there's a fungal waiting for him - one fungal and he will lose all those vikings". When I heard that I was like - thank god, yes that is 100% true, and you can start thinking from the player's point of view and the in-game tension they are experiencing. In my opinion that was a function of Khaldor coming to this thread, reading some of the feedback, and trying to implement something of a little different style into his commentating. Personally, I loved it. That is the entire reason this thread exists - to give Khaldor feedback. He reads the thread not so he can feel like a dickhead each time he casts but so he can improve. Yep, Khaldor is a boss  He read the feedback and adjusted between just 2 GSL days.I think it'll be good for his chemistry with Wof, Wolf is very often criticizing the players, so when Khaldor was doing the same, it made for very one sided casts, especially as said before when we didn't even knew if the player made a mistake or not. With Khaldor now giving the other point of view, it makes for a very entertaining cast. Up and downs group D was one of the best cast by Wolfdor imo. | ||
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Jepsyn
Canada364 Posts
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Ange777
Germany1164 Posts
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zmatter
United States12 Posts
Prime example: Up & Downs with Polt vs. Ryung G3, Wolf just kept saying the stupidest things about how Polt was macro'ing terribly and playing bad when it was just not true. Thank you for calling him out on some of his analysis being exaggerated. | ||
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Faveokatro
80 Posts
On May 25 2012 09:00 nebffa wrote: Not true. In fact I am almost certain Khaldor read this thread after Group C up and downs because of how he casted in the Group D. There was a TvZ on Daybreak and Wolf is yelling "HE NEEDS TO GO IN WITH THE VIKINGS NO HE'S NOT THIS IS SO BAD" or something to that effect. Were it Group C I think Khaldor would've agreed, but Khaldor instead said "no but he doesn't know if there's a fungal waiting for him - one fungal and he will lose all those vikings". When I heard that I was like - thank god, yes that is 100% true, and you can start thinking from the player's point of view and the in-game tension they are experiencing. In my opinion that was a function of Khaldor coming to this thread, reading some of the feedback, and trying to implement something of a little different style into his commentating. Personally, I loved it. That is the entire reason this thread exists - to give Khaldor feedback. He reads the thread not so he can feel like a dickhead each time he casts but so he can improve. I disagree in this instance. As much as I don't like Wolf's hypercriticism, he was right in that situation and Khaldor was hedging needlessly. First, it was marines (not vikings). Second, Virus could see very clearly from his vision that Zenio's broodlords were sitting there with practically no support and a single fungal (iirc, may have even been a queen that had the energy not an infestor). He could've gone in, shredded the vestiges of Zenio's army and rolled him from there (granted, he couldn't know the second part of that). I'll give Virus the fact that he could've been worried an infestor would get there just in time, but the risk/reward was extremely stacked in his favor. You don't have to lose a ton of units to commit a major blunder, and this is definitely something casters should call them out on. An analogous situation would be if a zerg could clearly see 6-7 tanks with only 10 marines to guard them, and didn't attack with his lings because he was afraid another squad of marines would arrive in time. | ||
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AxionSteel
United States7754 Posts
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Zahir
United States947 Posts
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babybell
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Krugessin
Sweden54 Posts
They always were good but lately seems to be getting really comfy together, GREAT at balancing witty banter and dorky comments with doing play by play and analysis (and discussion) of what we're seeing in the matches. When I dig deep for ANYTHING negative to say, I guess for full perfection you still need a better way of sorting out the possible outcomes in group play, who's 100% out or in and what kind of ties can happen. Maybe some kind of app or program, or a council of TLers always always supplying current info Khaldor must have really improved his english skills, I used to notice odd or repeated expressions along with some off pronunciations that didnt really bother me THAT much, but still were there. This whole week I think I only ever got suspicious of a single word: Determine/determined needs your attention I think, Khaldor. Amazing job in every way, really, and Wolf too. | ||
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whiterabbit
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Shunjal
United States482 Posts
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fenrysk
United States364 Posts
1. i noticed you have a habit of repeating the exact thing your co-caster says right after your co-caster makes an observation of the what's going on in the game. i'm okay with this sometimes when it's for emphasis on a particularly smart or well executed play or a particularly glaring mistake from a player, but i think you could try to be a bit more aware as to not overdo it. 2. i noticed a tendency to talk over your co-caster, sometimes forcing him (both wolf and artosis depending on the day) to try to compete with you for microphone presence. try to look for good timings in your cast to break commentary and let your co-caster pick up rather than fighting with him for vocal presence (possibly you could go the Tastosis route and work with you co-caster for perfectly synchronized shouting of words). these are what i feel could be most improved upon in the current state of your casting metagame. thanks and keep up the good work! | ||
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bigbeau
368 Posts
On May 25 2012 12:15 Faveokatro wrote: I disagree in this instance. As much as I don't like Wolf's hypercriticism, he was right in that situation and Khaldor was hedging needlessly. First, it was marines (not vikings). Second, Virus could see very clearly from his vision that Zenio's broodlords were sitting there with practically no support and a single fungal (iirc, may have even been a queen that had the energy not an infestor). He could've gone in, shredded the vestiges of Zenio's army and rolled him from there (granted, he couldn't know the second part of that). I'll give Virus the fact that he could've been worried an infestor would get there just in time, but the risk/reward was extremely stacked in his favor. You don't have to lose a ton of units to commit a major blunder, and this is definitely something casters should call them out on. An analogous situation would be if a zerg could clearly see 6-7 tanks with only 10 marines to guard them, and didn't attack with his lings because he was afraid another squad of marines would arrive in time. No, the situation that he was talking about happened today and it was bbongbbong vs heart i believe. So maybe in your situation wolf was correct, but in today's instance wolf was wrong and khaldor correctly casted the situation. | ||
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Blup1
Germany4 Posts
I watched you streaming the games between TLO and Shine today (not sure if its for gomtv), but I have to give you a great feedback. It was soo amazing, how you had full emotions in your comments, crazy. I'm just a bit angry, 'cause you didnt make TLO winning that game  Blup (can I write in german next time?) | ||
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nunez
Norway4003 Posts
making me a really happy nerd. in particular i loved your casting with tod. | ||
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Jetaap
France4814 Posts
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nonsence
United States57 Posts
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takingbackoj
United States684 Posts
On May 27 2012 19:48 Jetaap wrote: Thanks for streaming the qualifier, and also for being so passionate when TLO was playing ^^. Ya that was pretty cool of him to do for the community no doubt. | ||
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