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Shartugal
Profile Joined September 2011
Denmark134 Posts
May 23 2012 13:49 GMT
#741
In general I really like your casting, but today you simply got to my nerves by saying that something was insane, or that this situation was insanity, whén it wasn't really that crazy. Using a simple phrase over and over again is really not something that contributes to a good cast, so please try and be more variated in your language
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thepeonwhocould
Profile Joined March 2010
Australia334 Posts
May 23 2012 13:59 GMT
#742
On April 22 2012 04:44 TERRANLOL wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 22 2012 04:15 ThomasR wrote:
I enjoy your casting for the most part. I can only be critical of the times where you seem to be too critical of the players..ie "what on earth is he doing??? why is he something something etc"

but overall i wouldn't mind seeing you and artosis cast Code S (replacing tasteless) because imo you're better than him


I disagree, I like hearing confidence from the commentators.


The casters should be confident that the players know more about the game than them.

When a player does something that the caster does not understand, the default reaction of the caster should be "I wonder why he is doing this. Maybe it is for x, y or z reason".

Unfortunately, the default reaction for most casters is "THIS IS SO BAD HE SHOULD NOT BE DOING THIS! HE SHOULD BE DOING X, Y or Z!!!".

It really annoys me when casters opt for the second statement, because it assumes that the casters understand the game better than the players, which is never, ever true. In addition, the second statement is often made by the casters who have full information about both players, whilst the player only see's their side of the game.
AxionSteel
Profile Joined January 2011
United States7754 Posts
May 23 2012 14:04 GMT
#743
I've noticed he's becoming less critical than he was in the past. He used to focus nearly all of his energy on criticising mistakes, but he doesn't seem to do that as much anymore which is really good. Enjoyed the cast today

Kiyo.
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2284 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-23 14:16:05
May 23 2012 14:12 GMT
#744
On May 23 2012 22:59 thepeonwhocould wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 22 2012 04:44 TERRANLOL wrote:
On April 22 2012 04:15 ThomasR wrote:
I enjoy your casting for the most part. I can only be critical of the times where you seem to be too critical of the players..ie "what on earth is he doing??? why is he something something etc"

but overall i wouldn't mind seeing you and artosis cast Code S (replacing tasteless) because imo you're better than him


I disagree, I like hearing confidence from the commentators.


The casters should be confident that the players know more about the game than them.

When a player does something that the caster does not understand, the default reaction of the caster should be "I wonder why he is doing this. Maybe it is for x, y or z reason".

Unfortunately, the default reaction for most casters is "THIS IS SO BAD HE SHOULD NOT BE DOING THIS! HE SHOULD BE DOING X, Y or Z!!!".

It really annoys me when casters opt for the second statement, because it assumes that the casters understand the game better than the players, which is never, ever true. In addition, the second statement is often made by the casters who have full information about both players, whilst the player only see's their side of the game.


Except that casters have more information then the players and they can also see mistakes a player sometimes misses. So when someone forgets stim or siege mode upgrade, then I think it's perfectly fine for the caster's to call that out and mention the player "should not be doing that".

You've been doing great lately imo Khaldor, but there have been quite a few times you've tripped over your own words this week. More than normally. I think it just may be tiredness as today especially was a long day. But that happens to everyone so no big deal. Really enjoying your casts with Artosis especially.
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niilzon
Profile Joined October 2010
Belgium105 Posts
May 23 2012 14:28 GMT
#745
Hello Khaldor,

first of all let me tell you that I like your casting overall.

A little improvement that is possible IMO is to avoid some word repetitions.
Example : "this player is really really really good".
You do this alot. I think that doing it rarely is okay or can even be good thanks to the emphasis, but abusing this is bad and sometimes feel like you are looking for other things to say while repeating the word.

That's all I have to say, respect !
blackbrrd
Profile Joined September 2010
Norway477 Posts
May 23 2012 14:41 GMT
#746
I thought you were a good caster to begin with, while now I really like your casting.
Kamwah
Profile Joined February 2012
United Kingdom724 Posts
May 23 2012 14:49 GMT
#747
Listen... Khaldor has a sexy voice and he knows the game well enough even though he's overly critical at times. He also looks like hitman.

'Nuff said.

No Homo.
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MrCash
Profile Joined October 2011
United States1504 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-23 14:58:06
May 23 2012 14:57 GMT
#748
Before Gom, I felt Khaldor was a bit rough around the edges (maybe I just didn't like the casual casting on his personal stream), but now has become a really good, well rounded caster.
He has a good level of game understanding, you will hear Wolf say silly things more often than Khaldor.
He does a great job of appropriately elevating his voice and raising excitement at the right times.
Always looks professional on camera.
Doesn't run late anymore
Seems to create a great duo with everyone.
I feel he fills the same role as Tasteless and does it as well, if not better.
Tryxtira
Profile Joined November 2010
Sweden572 Posts
May 23 2012 15:00 GMT
#749
Hey Khaldor!

I just wanted to say that I am so impressed by the improvement you and Wolf have made together the last couple of months. Some time ago, I hesitated watching code A, I wasn't at all as intrigued by your casting as I was with many of the other community casters. I know I wasn't the only one feeling this way.

Now however, you guys are great. Your individual skill, as well as your teamwork and synergy with Wolf has, at least to me, improved by so much. I am truly impressed by the amount of time and effort you guys must have put down to make these improvements. So kudos to you guys, and keep on improving!

Kind regards!
Ficetool
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany165 Posts
May 23 2012 15:30 GMT
#750
If you 2 just didn't lack game understanding so much....it would be so much more fun to actually enjoy your casting...
Just 3 examples of today:

1. Polt is not macroing well, he can make 3 tanks and he even has 4 idle starports...Polt is not building ANYTHING...(He had 50 vesp gas at that time...)
2. He is hesistating with that drop (He was flying towards 2 or 3 turrets and pulled back the 3 medivacs that were injured so he wouldn't lose them immediatly to the turrets)
3. Polt is just charging in (Marines vs Tanks).....(Polt pulled off one of the most amazing spilts there I have seen in a while...moving forward and pefectly splitting)

Just stop actually thinking you know more of this game than the players....you don't! Most of the stuff you say when judging players is horribly stupid...(Which is my personal opinion cuz I think this way quite often)
spoonmaster
Profile Joined May 2012
United States347 Posts
May 23 2012 15:56 GMT
#751
I don't need to add anything more than what anyone else has said, but I'd like to mention Khaldor, that you've really improved over the past couple of months as a caster, and that I love the enthusiasm you have in approaching every game.
thepeonwhocould
Profile Joined March 2010
Australia334 Posts
May 24 2012 12:35 GMT
#752
I think Khaldor is doing alot better in regards to criticising the players today. I noticed he wasn't so harsh on the players, and when a player does something which looks like a mistake, he tried to understand/explain why they did it. Good job khaldor!!
Rammstorm
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany1434 Posts
May 24 2012 16:02 GMT
#753
Not only has a Khaldor look good but Owlso improved a lot.
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ancientmariner
Profile Joined November 2011
116 Posts
May 24 2012 16:33 GMT
#754
I really enjoy your casting and I don't mind you critizising players, even though sometimes it's a little bit to harsh or simply unjustified. It's better than making everything out to be nothing but sunshine and gamebreaking awsomeness, even though it isn't, like some other casters do.

I think that one time when you were casting GSL with Artosis was some of the best casting I've ever seen (I think that was sometime in April), although the casting with Wolf is nice as well.

But why do you keep pronouncing harassment and harassing so strangely? It's not like there's really anything wrong with it, but I guess everyone has those words that make you cringe and that you can not ignore even when you try. That aside your English is amazing.
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15723 Posts
May 24 2012 16:47 GMT
#755
I don't see why casters even take the time to criticize players. There is always something else to talk about, so its not like its needed. It also makes the matches less exciting to be focusing on what they screw up.

I dunno, it just seems like mistakes get pointed out because its the easy go-to thing to do and not because its actually good casting.
Faveokatro
Profile Joined August 2010
80 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-24 17:37:19
May 24 2012 17:35 GMT
#756
I think you guys are harping on the calling out of mistakes too much. It's a necessary part of casting - it just shouldn't be dominating the cast (obviously some games are exceptions, like TheBest's banshee play). Saying casters should avoid criticizing is just as bad as the opposite extreme. Tastosis does it all the time, and I don't see anyone jumping on their throats about it.

That said, I do think Khaldor and Wolf do it a bit too much, especially in some situations where it's impossible to really say if it is a mistake. Or even worse, when it obviously wasn't a mistake from the get-go. But casters develop that over time, Tastosis has had a lot more time in Korea and seen a lot more games.
][Primarch][
Profile Joined February 2012
Sweden302 Posts
May 24 2012 17:48 GMT
#757
On May 23 2012 23:28 niilzon wrote:
Hello Khaldor,

first of all let me tell you that I like your casting overall.

A little improvement that is possible IMO is to avoid some word repetitions.
Example : "this player is really really really good".
You do this alot. I think that doing it rarely is okay or can even be good thanks to the emphasis, but abusing this is bad and sometimes feel like you are looking for other things to say while repeating the word.

That's all I have to say, respect !


:D finally someone who has noticed this too, I dunno if you saw my post about it. I actually love his repeats, call it a fetish:D
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Zato-1
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Chile4253 Posts
May 24 2012 23:31 GMT
#758
"Slowly but steadily".

It's a bit of a crutch you have Khaldor. You use the expression too often, and I think it'd be good if you tried to get rid of it.
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Nisyax
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Netherlands756 Posts
May 24 2012 23:40 GMT
#759
As someone already mentioned pay attention to resources people have before bringing up the topic they should (for example in the up&downs group D in a PvP) warp in Stalkers (which they might need), but they can't warp in since a lack of gas. Awesome casting for the rest, keep it up.
NoScary
Profile Joined November 2010
United States151 Posts
May 24 2012 23:49 GMT
#760
Wasn't a fan of Khaldor when he started at GOM, now he is my favorite caster behind Tastosis. Love your style man.
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