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Please discuss IdrA and Sen in Code S January in this thread.
Jongl0
Profile Joined June 2011
631 Posts
December 14 2011 18:26 GMT
#1261
Well... will be fun to see how good Sen can do but I don't like this change as a whole.
Raisauce
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada864 Posts
December 14 2011 18:28 GMT
#1262
On December 15 2011 02:10 Kergy wrote:
Well, I hope Idra gets ForGG in his group, he doesn't deserve this.

Also, since Naniwa earned his Code S spot in MLG Providence, shouldn't that spot be given to the next guy that wasn't already in Code S?

Here are the final results:

1st Leenock
2nd NaNiwa
3rd DongRaeGu
4th Mvp
5th HuK
6th MC
7th HayprO
8th IdrA

In theory, HayprO deserves that Code S spot more than IdrA.
Wonder what GOM's true reasons were... but as other said it seems that the GSL is just a popularity contest now.


I don't know, may be they want to give it back to him since he gave it up one point in time? Or that he'll draw a huge amount of viewers like he did previously. The only time I watched GSL religiously was when IdrA and Jinro were in it. It seems like I'm going to have to start doing that again.
TedJustice
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Canada1324 Posts
December 14 2011 18:29 GMT
#1263
I liked it when they were seeded directly into the up-and-downs. At least then it would feel like they really earned it. And if not, they still get code A.
Artifex
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Belgium189 Posts
December 14 2011 18:33 GMT
#1264
On December 15 2011 03:28 Raisauce wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2011 02:10 Kergy wrote:
Well, I hope Idra gets ForGG in his group, he doesn't deserve this.

Also, since Naniwa earned his Code S spot in MLG Providence, shouldn't that spot be given to the next guy that wasn't already in Code S?

Here are the final results:

1st Leenock
2nd NaNiwa
3rd DongRaeGu
4th Mvp
5th HuK
6th MC
7th HayprO
8th IdrA

In theory, HayprO deserves that Code S spot more than IdrA.
Wonder what GOM's true reasons were... but as other said it seems that the GSL is just a popularity contest now.


I don't know, may be they want to give it back to him since he gave it up one point in time? Or that he'll draw a huge amount of viewers like he did previously. The only time I watched GSL religiously was when IdrA and Jinro were in it. It seems like I'm going to have to start doing that again.


Yeah, Idra gets more viewers... Sounds like a "business" decision.
Fear. Fear that the zerg are expanding all over the map and there's nothing you can do. The Swarm. Your doom. Now is the time to panic. The terran and protoss are trying to survive. The Zerg are trying to obliterate them. - Stane
Mrvoodoochild1
Profile Joined June 2011
United States1439 Posts
December 14 2011 18:33 GMT
#1265
On December 15 2011 03:24 Mordiford wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2011 03:09 karpo wrote:
On December 15 2011 02:59 m3rciless wrote:
All i have to say is that I hope either IdrA or sen can make something happen so the foreigners dont get embarassed yet again.


I'd rather see them fail. That should make GOM realize that inviting foreign players directly to code S is a bad idea for a professional tournament that has harcore qualifiers and a competitive code A.


As much as I love Sen, I agree here. I went as far as to accept the idea of handouts being given for Code A qualifications because yes, it's hard for foreigners to go through the whole process etc etc... A Code S handout is waaay to massive to ignore, I'm not okay with players being given a free ride to the most prestigious tournament in the world.

IdrA having Code S way back when means nothing considering how drastically it's changed, someone who consistently performed better than IdrA(Jinro) can't even make Code A now.

GOM is essentially discrediting the value of Code S by giving it out for free.

It is not as if Sen and Idra are no name pros with no success under their belts. Both are some of a few foreigners that usually perform reasonably well against Koreans. So I would not say they were given Code S for FREE. Moreover, this is more of a business decision to attract more viewers. I would agree that there are other players more deserving but this decision makes a lot of sense from a business standpt to grow the GOM brand.
"let your freak flag fly"
tsuxiit
Profile Joined July 2010
1305 Posts
December 14 2011 18:33 GMT
#1266
So much drama.
jax1492
Profile Joined November 2009
United States1632 Posts
December 14 2011 18:36 GMT
#1267
well deserved, Sen has been one of the top foreigners this past year, congrats!
KalWarkov
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Germany4126 Posts
December 14 2011 18:38 GMT
#1268
I just dont like this from gom. IdrA and Sen didnt earn this spot as other players before them did or they did themselves earlier.
If they where to decide not to invite Naniwa to Code S as a punishment (which is a joke in itself, he didnt break any rule) - why not leave the spots out for January, or it least let some top foreigners play it out instead of randomly invite 2 of the top 10 foreigners?
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twndomn
Profile Joined September 2010
401 Posts
December 14 2011 18:41 GMT
#1269
On December 15 2011 03:24 Mordiford wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2011 03:09 karpo wrote:
On December 15 2011 02:59 m3rciless wrote:
All i have to say is that I hope either IdrA or sen can make something happen so the foreigners dont get embarassed yet again.


I'd rather see them fail. That should make GOM realize that inviting foreign players directly to code S is a bad idea for a professional tournament that has harcore qualifiers and a competitive code A.


As much as I love Sen, I agree here. I went as far as to accept the idea of handouts being given for Code A qualifications because yes, it's hard for foreigners to go through the whole process etc etc... A Code S handout is waaay to massive to ignore, I'm not okay with players being given a free ride to the most prestigious tournament in the world.

IdrA having Code S way back when means nothing considering how drastically it's changed, someone who consistently performed better than IdrA(Jinro) can't even make Code A now.

GOM is essentially discrediting the value of Code S by giving it out for free.


Your statement of handout is misleading and incorrect

Sen did not get Code S for free, as you described. BlizzCon 3rd place, NASL season 1 & 2 3rd places are not simple qualifications, why don't you try to get that resume before you apply for your free-to-code-S pass? No, you are wrong by being overly simplistic on your assessment of the situation.
"If MC wins this, his name would not be SK MC, it would be ST MC, ST for Saint, performing miracles." - Artosis.
uSnAmplified
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1029 Posts
December 14 2011 18:42 GMT
#1270
Glad i stopped paying money to watch a video game popularity contest. Naniwas hurting foreigners? i think being babied and given hand out code S spots is ruining the integrity of GOM more then then losing a meaningless match that should have never been played.
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twndomn
Profile Joined September 2010
401 Posts
December 14 2011 18:44 GMT
#1271
On December 15 2011 03:38 KalWarkov wrote:
I just dont like this from gom. IdrA and Sen didnt earn this spot as other players before them did or they did themselves earlier.
If they where to decide not to invite Naniwa to Code S as a punishment (which is a joke in itself, he didnt break any rule) - why not leave the spots out for January, or it least let some top foreigners play it out instead of randomly invite 2 of the top 10 foreigners?


Sen IS TOP foreigners. It's not GOM's fault that Stephano declines the idea of playing in GSL. Sen DID finished 3rd place at BlizzCon, while Naniwa finished 4th. Of many tourneys (BlizzCon, NASL season 1 and season 2) Sen participated, top 2 finishes are all Koreans, leaving Sen 3rd place, doesn't that mean Sen IS the top foreigner?
"If MC wins this, his name would not be SK MC, it would be ST MC, ST for Saint, performing miracles." - Artosis.
karpo
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden1998 Posts
December 14 2011 18:44 GMT
#1272
On December 15 2011 03:41 twndomn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2011 03:24 Mordiford wrote:
On December 15 2011 03:09 karpo wrote:
On December 15 2011 02:59 m3rciless wrote:
All i have to say is that I hope either IdrA or sen can make something happen so the foreigners dont get embarassed yet again.


I'd rather see them fail. That should make GOM realize that inviting foreign players directly to code S is a bad idea for a professional tournament that has harcore qualifiers and a competitive code A.


As much as I love Sen, I agree here. I went as far as to accept the idea of handouts being given for Code A qualifications because yes, it's hard for foreigners to go through the whole process etc etc... A Code S handout is waaay to massive to ignore, I'm not okay with players being given a free ride to the most prestigious tournament in the world.

IdrA having Code S way back when means nothing considering how drastically it's changed, someone who consistently performed better than IdrA(Jinro) can't even make Code A now.

GOM is essentially discrediting the value of Code S by giving it out for free.


Your statement of handout is misleading and incorrect

Sen did not get Code S for free, as you described. BlizzCon 3rd place, NASL season 1 & 2 3rd places are not simple qualifications, why don't you try to get that resume before you apply for your free-to-code-S pass? No, you are wrong by being overly simplistic on your assessment of the situation.


Those things are nothing compared to what most current code S players have had to do to get there. A season based tournament with qualifications and two different ranks kinda loses it's meaning if they just invite popular foreigners that completely bypass the extremely difficult qualification process to achieve code S.
rkshox
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Taiwan536 Posts
December 14 2011 18:46 GMT
#1273
in the end..every decision is a business decision. gom is asking itself...do we want to make money and do something different? or do the same thing year in and year out?
@ranleee /// "first we expand, then we defense it'
Mordiford
Profile Joined April 2011
4448 Posts
December 14 2011 18:48 GMT
#1274
On December 15 2011 03:33 Mrvoodoochild1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2011 03:24 Mordiford wrote:
On December 15 2011 03:09 karpo wrote:
On December 15 2011 02:59 m3rciless wrote:
All i have to say is that I hope either IdrA or sen can make something happen so the foreigners dont get embarassed yet again.


I'd rather see them fail. That should make GOM realize that inviting foreign players directly to code S is a bad idea for a professional tournament that has harcore qualifiers and a competitive code A.


As much as I love Sen, I agree here. I went as far as to accept the idea of handouts being given for Code A qualifications because yes, it's hard for foreigners to go through the whole process etc etc... A Code S handout is waaay to massive to ignore, I'm not okay with players being given a free ride to the most prestigious tournament in the world.

IdrA having Code S way back when means nothing considering how drastically it's changed, someone who consistently performed better than IdrA(Jinro) can't even make Code A now.

GOM is essentially discrediting the value of Code S by giving it out for free.

It is not as if Sen and Idra are no name pros with no success under their belts. Both are some of a few foreigners that usually perform reasonably well against Koreans. So I would not say they were given Code S for FREE. Moreover, this is more of a business decision to attract more viewers. I would agree that there are other players more deserving but this decision makes a lot of sense from a business standpt to grow the GOM brand.


That's somewhat irrelevant to me because they haven't earned Code S as it is now through the regular channels. Being popular and somewhat successful doesn't mean you deserve Code S, particularly just because you're a foreigner. For this reason, I thought placement into the Up/Downs was the most sensible course of action.

I liked that at MLG, the Code S spot was not foreigner-specific and was limited to the top three. That gave Code S weight and worth. This strips that weight and worth entirely.

It's acceptable to seed foreign players into the qualifiers because it's genuinely harder for them to make that kind of effort for little reward, while the Koreans can just attempt to qualify on their home turf. Placing someone directly into Code S is way too generous in comparison to Korean players who have performed much better than their foreign counterparts in foreign tournaments, but were unable to find success at home.


PhiliBiRD
Profile Joined November 2009
United States2643 Posts
December 14 2011 18:49 GMT
#1275
wel... sen def more worthy of nani
Kloudi
Profile Joined December 2011
Sweden21 Posts
December 14 2011 18:49 GMT
#1276
only idrones are happy this is a joke
blamous
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States377 Posts
December 14 2011 18:49 GMT
#1277
Grats to Sen, but pulling Naniwa is utter bullshit. It's not like he placed a bet on Nestea and then threw the game. It was meaningless.
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twndomn
Profile Joined September 2010
401 Posts
December 14 2011 18:50 GMT
#1278
On December 15 2011 03:42 uSnAmplified wrote:
Glad i stopped paying money to watch a video game popularity contest. Naniwas hurting foreigners? i think being babied and given hand out code S spots is ruining the integrity of GOM more then then losing a meaningless match that should have never been played.


There are plenty of Idra fans who would gladly pay for subscriptions to replace your place. Besides, GOM and Koreans have the east Asian culture that stresses respect, status quo, and professionalism. That kind of value is something Western culture has failed to understand. Therefore, it's not a meaningless match, ask any football fans in the US who support teams that have already failed to make the playoff. As to your "free hand out" assessment, why don't you look at Sen's resume? You should get a BlizzCon 3rd place finish, NASL season 1, and NASL season 2 3rd place finishes before you ask for your free-to-code S-pass. Stop being overly simplistic.
"If MC wins this, his name would not be SK MC, it would be ST MC, ST for Saint, performing miracles." - Artosis.
Caltu
Profile Joined May 2011
60 Posts
December 14 2011 18:51 GMT
#1279
This is awesome :D Finally Idra has gone back on [imo] the worst idea ever, to leave Code S, to finally make it back into the top flight Starcraft where lets face it if he is playing top quality games every week he really belongs there!
Sen finally has got a nod from GOM, maybe with all the pressure of Korea on him he will perform to what he is able to, be AWESOME!
whereyouat
Profile Joined December 2011
United States65 Posts
December 14 2011 18:52 GMT
#1280
Idra may be BM king but he has RESPECT unlike another player. Go get em Greg!! I mean Grack~
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