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On December 15 2011 03:44 karpo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 03:41 twndomn wrote:On December 15 2011 03:24 Mordiford wrote:On December 15 2011 03:09 karpo wrote:On December 15 2011 02:59 m3rciless wrote:
All i have to say is that I hope either IdrA or sen can make something happen so the foreigners dont get embarassed yet again. I'd rather see them fail. That should make GOM realize that inviting foreign players directly to code S is a bad idea for a professional tournament that has harcore qualifiers and a competitive code A. As much as I love Sen, I agree here. I went as far as to accept the idea of handouts being given for Code A qualifications because yes, it's hard for foreigners to go through the whole process etc etc... A Code S handout is waaay to massive to ignore, I'm not okay with players being given a free ride to the most prestigious tournament in the world. IdrA having Code S way back when means nothing considering how drastically it's changed, someone who consistently performed better than IdrA(Jinro) can't even make Code A now. GOM is essentially discrediting the value of Code S by giving it out for free. Your statement of handout is misleading and incorrectSen did not get Code S for free, as you described. BlizzCon 3rd place, NASL season 1 & 2 3rd places are not simple qualifications, why don't you try to get that resume before you apply for your free-to-code-S pass? No, you are wrong by being overly simplistic on your assessment of the situation. Those things are nothing compared to what most current code S players have had to do to get there. A season based tournament with qualifications and two different ranks kinda loses it's meaning if they just invite popular foreigners that completely bypass the extremely difficult qualification process to achieve code S.
I can agree with above assessment, but saying "for free" or "hand out" is just being ignorant and overly simplistic. Of course, being Swedish on this matter definitely does not help.
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On December 15 2011 03:50 twndomn wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 03:42 uSnAmplified wrote:
Glad i stopped paying money to watch a video game popularity contest. Naniwas hurting foreigners? i think being babied and given hand out code S spots is ruining the integrity of GOM more then then losing a meaningless match that should have never been played. There are plenty of Idra fans who would gladly pay for subscriptions to replace your place. Besides, GOM and Koreans have the east Asian culture that stresses respect, status quo, and professionalism. That kind of value is something Western culture has failed to understand. Therefore, it's not a meaningless match, ask any football fans in the US who support teams that have already failed to make the playoff. As to your "free hand out" assessment, why don't you look at Sen's resume? You should get a BlizzCon 3rd place finish, NASL season 1, and NASL season 2 3rd place finishes before you ask for your free-to-code S-pass. Stop being overly simplistic.
Maybe HerO should ask for his free-to-Code-S-pass then, he's had a Dreamhack win and an NASL 2nd place finish over Sen's third. Code S shouldn't be a hand-out to foreigners, if that's the way GOM wishes to conduct their business that's fine but it genuinely diminishes the value of being Code S if it's given to a foreigner just for performing well abroad. Plenty of non-Code S Koreans manage to do well in foreign tournaments.
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On December 15 2011 03:52 whereyouat wrote:
Idra may be BM king but he has RESPECT unlike another player. Go get em Greg!! I mean Grack~
keep telling that to yourself
delusional idrone
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On December 15 2011 03:50 twndomn wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 03:42 uSnAmplified wrote:
Glad i stopped paying money to watch a video game popularity contest. Naniwas hurting foreigners? i think being babied and given hand out code S spots is ruining the integrity of GOM more then then losing a meaningless match that should have never been played. There are plenty of Idra fans who would gladly pay for subscriptions to replace your place. Besides, GOM and Koreans have the east Asian culture that stresses respect, status quo, and professionalism. That kind of value is something Western culture has failed to understand. Therefore, it's not a meaningless match, ask any football fans in the US who support teams that have already failed to make the playoff. As to your "free hand out" assessment, why don't you look at Sen's resume? You should get a BlizzCon 3rd place finish, NASL season 1, and NASL season 2 3rd place finishes before you ask for your free-to-code S-pass. Stop being overly simplistic.
They are handing out code S spots when two guys get seeded straight into code S based on no real results, just by "sponsor seeds". There's loads of koreans who deserve this more and have been through the qualifiers that GOM set up for the GSL. Sucks that they need foreigners so bad that they have to place them directly into code S instead of having them work for it, like the endless amount of korean players have to and have done for months.
On December 15 2011 03:52 twndomn wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 03:44 karpo wrote:On December 15 2011 03:41 twndomn wrote:On December 15 2011 03:24 Mordiford wrote:On December 15 2011 03:09 karpo wrote:On December 15 2011 02:59 m3rciless wrote:
All i have to say is that I hope either IdrA or sen can make something happen so the foreigners dont get embarassed yet again. I'd rather see them fail. That should make GOM realize that inviting foreign players directly to code S is a bad idea for a professional tournament that has harcore qualifiers and a competitive code A. As much as I love Sen, I agree here. I went as far as to accept the idea of handouts being given for Code A qualifications because yes, it's hard for foreigners to go through the whole process etc etc... A Code S handout is waaay to massive to ignore, I'm not okay with players being given a free ride to the most prestigious tournament in the world. IdrA having Code S way back when means nothing considering how drastically it's changed, someone who consistently performed better than IdrA(Jinro) can't even make Code A now. GOM is essentially discrediting the value of Code S by giving it out for free. Your statement of handout is misleading and incorrectSen did not get Code S for free, as you described. BlizzCon 3rd place, NASL season 1 & 2 3rd places are not simple qualifications, why don't you try to get that resume before you apply for your free-to-code-S pass? No, you are wrong by being overly simplistic on your assessment of the situation. Those things are nothing compared to what most current code S players have had to do to get there. A season based tournament with qualifications and two different ranks kinda loses it's meaning if they just invite popular foreigners that completely bypass the extremely difficult qualification process to achieve code S. I can agree with above assessment, but saying "for free" or "hand out" is just being ignorant and overly simplistic. Of course, being Swedish on this matter definitely does not help.
Again with the swedish bullshit. I don't like Naniwa more than i do any other player. This is about GOM having the supposedly best high end tournament in SC2 and they are pandering to the foreign community by circumventing their own system and seeding popular players into code S. Imagine being one of the good but unlucky korean code B/A players an hear that Idra and Sen get automatic code S placements, surely it would suck balls?
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On December 15 2011 03:52 whereyouat wrote:
Idra may be BM king but he has RESPECT unlike another player. Go get em Greg!! I mean Grack~
He's one of the most disrespectful players I've seen perform. I don't agree with you at all.
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Free handouts and they actually call denmark a socialist country.
Train hard become good thats important but not as important as being popular.
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On December 15 2011 03:53 Mordiford wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 03:50 twndomn wrote:On December 15 2011 03:42 uSnAmplified wrote:
Glad i stopped paying money to watch a video game popularity contest. Naniwas hurting foreigners? i think being babied and given hand out code S spots is ruining the integrity of GOM more then then losing a meaningless match that should have never been played. There are plenty of Idra fans who would gladly pay for subscriptions to replace your place. Besides, GOM and Koreans have the east Asian culture that stresses respect, status quo, and professionalism. That kind of value is something Western culture has failed to understand. Therefore, it's not a meaningless match, ask any football fans in the US who support teams that have already failed to make the playoff. As to your "free hand out" assessment, why don't you look at Sen's resume? You should get a BlizzCon 3rd place finish, NASL season 1, and NASL season 2 3rd place finishes before you ask for your free-to-code S-pass. Stop being overly simplistic. Maybe HerO should ask for his free-to-Code-S-pass then, he's had a Dreamhack win and an NASL 2nd place finish over Sen's third. Code S shouldn't be a hand-out to foreigners, if that's the way GOM wishes to conduct their business that's fine but it genuinely diminishes the value of being Code S if it's given to a foreigner just for performing well abroad. Plenty of non-Code S Koreans manage to do well in foreign tournaments.
Good Koreans are a dime a dozen. If Idra/Sen aren't good enough for Code S, they'll lose and get knocked out.
Or they are good enough, they'll win enough to stay in and everything will continue.
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On December 15 2011 03:54 Mordiford wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 03:52 whereyouat wrote:
Idra may be BM king but he has RESPECT unlike another player. Go get em Greg!! I mean Grack~ He's one of the most disrespectful players I've seen perform. I don't agree with you at all.
When was the last time you saw him do something really disrespectful? I think it cannot be argued that Idra is much more respectful and level-headed than he used to be.
On a side-note: I'm interested to see how Sen will perform. Watching him at Nasl2, his ZvP was just very very poor. If he plays the way he did there, I don't expect him to beat any protosses in Code S.
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On December 15 2011 03:53 Mordiford wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 03:50 twndomn wrote:On December 15 2011 03:42 uSnAmplified wrote:
Glad i stopped paying money to watch a video game popularity contest. Naniwas hurting foreigners? i think being babied and given hand out code S spots is ruining the integrity of GOM more then then losing a meaningless match that should have never been played. There are plenty of Idra fans who would gladly pay for subscriptions to replace your place. Besides, GOM and Koreans have the east Asian culture that stresses respect, status quo, and professionalism. That kind of value is something Western culture has failed to understand. Therefore, it's not a meaningless match, ask any football fans in the US who support teams that have already failed to make the playoff. As to your "free hand out" assessment, why don't you look at Sen's resume? You should get a BlizzCon 3rd place finish, NASL season 1, and NASL season 2 3rd place finishes before you ask for your free-to-code S-pass. Stop being overly simplistic. Maybe HerO should ask for his free-to-Code-S-pass then, he's had a Dreamhack win and an NASL 2nd place finish over Sen's third. Code S shouldn't be a hand-out to foreigners, if that's the way GOM wishes to conduct their business that's fine but it genuinely diminishes the value of being Code S if it's given to a foreigner just for performing well abroad. Plenty of non-Code S Koreans manage to do well in foreign tournaments.
Sure, HerO's accomplishments should not be overlooked. Yet, you indirectly support my point. It's not "free-to-code-s" or "handout" pass to anyone. You need to have some accomplishments to be considered, that's precisely the point.
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On December 15 2011 03:55 Hnnngg wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 03:53 Mordiford wrote:On December 15 2011 03:50 twndomn wrote:On December 15 2011 03:42 uSnAmplified wrote:
Glad i stopped paying money to watch a video game popularity contest. Naniwas hurting foreigners? i think being babied and given hand out code S spots is ruining the integrity of GOM more then then losing a meaningless match that should have never been played. There are plenty of Idra fans who would gladly pay for subscriptions to replace your place. Besides, GOM and Koreans have the east Asian culture that stresses respect, status quo, and professionalism. That kind of value is something Western culture has failed to understand. Therefore, it's not a meaningless match, ask any football fans in the US who support teams that have already failed to make the playoff. As to your "free hand out" assessment, why don't you look at Sen's resume? You should get a BlizzCon 3rd place finish, NASL season 1, and NASL season 2 3rd place finishes before you ask for your free-to-code S-pass. Stop being overly simplistic. Maybe HerO should ask for his free-to-Code-S-pass then, he's had a Dreamhack win and an NASL 2nd place finish over Sen's third. Code S shouldn't be a hand-out to foreigners, if that's the way GOM wishes to conduct their business that's fine but it genuinely diminishes the value of being Code S if it's given to a foreigner just for performing well abroad. Plenty of non-Code S Koreans manage to do well in foreign tournaments. Good Koreans are a dime a dozen. If Idra/Sen aren't good enough for Code S, they'll lose and get knocked out. Or they are good enough, they'll win enough to stay in and everything will continue.
So because there are more good Korean players we should give handouts to foreign players? I'm sorry if I don't agree with that at all. On a tournament at the level of Code S, you should not be penalized for your nationality.
So there are dozens of players that are potentially better than the invites, but because they're Korean, they should be neglected? I don't think that's fair at all.
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Its kinda finny that they booted Naniwa for BM, and they have Idra coming for next season.
On the other hand Sen is great player and if this situation is working in his favor, more power to it!
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On December 15 2011 03:55 Hnnngg wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 03:53 Mordiford wrote:On December 15 2011 03:50 twndomn wrote:On December 15 2011 03:42 uSnAmplified wrote:
Glad i stopped paying money to watch a video game popularity contest. Naniwas hurting foreigners? i think being babied and given hand out code S spots is ruining the integrity of GOM more then then losing a meaningless match that should have never been played. There are plenty of Idra fans who would gladly pay for subscriptions to replace your place. Besides, GOM and Koreans have the east Asian culture that stresses respect, status quo, and professionalism. That kind of value is something Western culture has failed to understand. Therefore, it's not a meaningless match, ask any football fans in the US who support teams that have already failed to make the playoff. As to your "free hand out" assessment, why don't you look at Sen's resume? You should get a BlizzCon 3rd place finish, NASL season 1, and NASL season 2 3rd place finishes before you ask for your free-to-code S-pass. Stop being overly simplistic. Maybe HerO should ask for his free-to-Code-S-pass then, he's had a Dreamhack win and an NASL 2nd place finish over Sen's third. Code S shouldn't be a hand-out to foreigners, if that's the way GOM wishes to conduct their business that's fine but it genuinely diminishes the value of being Code S if it's given to a foreigner just for performing well abroad. Plenty of non-Code S Koreans manage to do well in foreign tournaments. Good Koreans are a dime a dozen. If Idra/Sen aren't good enough for Code S, they'll lose and get knocked out. Or they are good enough, they'll win enough to stay in and everything will continue.
So koreans should keep fighting for spare change in code A/B while Idra and Sen get's a chance at some awesome price money in code S just because they are not from Korea? Sound like your fanboyism is showing.
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On December 15 2011 03:59 karpo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 03:55 Hnnngg wrote:On December 15 2011 03:53 Mordiford wrote:On December 15 2011 03:50 twndomn wrote:On December 15 2011 03:42 uSnAmplified wrote:
Glad i stopped paying money to watch a video game popularity contest. Naniwas hurting foreigners? i think being babied and given hand out code S spots is ruining the integrity of GOM more then then losing a meaningless match that should have never been played. There are plenty of Idra fans who would gladly pay for subscriptions to replace your place. Besides, GOM and Koreans have the east Asian culture that stresses respect, status quo, and professionalism. That kind of value is something Western culture has failed to understand. Therefore, it's not a meaningless match, ask any football fans in the US who support teams that have already failed to make the playoff. As to your "free hand out" assessment, why don't you look at Sen's resume? You should get a BlizzCon 3rd place finish, NASL season 1, and NASL season 2 3rd place finishes before you ask for your free-to-code S-pass. Stop being overly simplistic. Maybe HerO should ask for his free-to-Code-S-pass then, he's had a Dreamhack win and an NASL 2nd place finish over Sen's third. Code S shouldn't be a hand-out to foreigners, if that's the way GOM wishes to conduct their business that's fine but it genuinely diminishes the value of being Code S if it's given to a foreigner just for performing well abroad. Plenty of non-Code S Koreans manage to do well in foreign tournaments. Good Koreans are a dime a dozen. If Idra/Sen aren't good enough for Code S, they'll lose and get knocked out. Or they are good enough, they'll win enough to stay in and everything will continue. So koreans should keep fighting for spare change in code A/B while Idra and Sen get's a chance at some awesome price money in code S just because they are not from Korea? Sound like your fanboyism is showing.
And How come you did not include foreigners like Naniwa in your sentences? sound like your fanboyism toward Swedish players are showing.
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GOMTV just lost a viewer.
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On December 15 2011 04:02 Jisall wrote:
GOMTV just lost a viewer.
User was warned for this post
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On December 15 2011 04:02 twndomn wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 03:59 karpo wrote:On December 15 2011 03:55 Hnnngg wrote:On December 15 2011 03:53 Mordiford wrote:On December 15 2011 03:50 twndomn wrote:On December 15 2011 03:42 uSnAmplified wrote:
Glad i stopped paying money to watch a video game popularity contest. Naniwas hurting foreigners? i think being babied and given hand out code S spots is ruining the integrity of GOM more then then losing a meaningless match that should have never been played. There are plenty of Idra fans who would gladly pay for subscriptions to replace your place. Besides, GOM and Koreans have the east Asian culture that stresses respect, status quo, and professionalism. That kind of value is something Western culture has failed to understand. Therefore, it's not a meaningless match, ask any football fans in the US who support teams that have already failed to make the playoff. As to your "free hand out" assessment, why don't you look at Sen's resume? You should get a BlizzCon 3rd place finish, NASL season 1, and NASL season 2 3rd place finishes before you ask for your free-to-code S-pass. Stop being overly simplistic. Maybe HerO should ask for his free-to-Code-S-pass then, he's had a Dreamhack win and an NASL 2nd place finish over Sen's third. Code S shouldn't be a hand-out to foreigners, if that's the way GOM wishes to conduct their business that's fine but it genuinely diminishes the value of being Code S if it's given to a foreigner just for performing well abroad. Plenty of non-Code S Koreans manage to do well in foreign tournaments. Good Koreans are a dime a dozen. If Idra/Sen aren't good enough for Code S, they'll lose and get knocked out. Or they are good enough, they'll win enough to stay in and everything will continue. So koreans should keep fighting for spare change in code A/B while Idra and Sen get's a chance at some awesome price money in code S just because they are not from Korea? Sound like your fanboyism is showing. And How come you did not include foreigners like Naniwa in your sentences? sound like your fanboyism toward Swedish players are showing.
Because Naniwa doesn't have a code S seed anymore. Idra and Sen does. I thought Naniwa got a code S seed through the MLG/GSL deal. He's just as undeserving as those two if it was just a foreigner seed. Unbiased enough?
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On December 15 2011 03:58 Mordiford wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 03:55 Hnnngg wrote:On December 15 2011 03:53 Mordiford wrote:On December 15 2011 03:50 twndomn wrote:On December 15 2011 03:42 uSnAmplified wrote:
Glad i stopped paying money to watch a video game popularity contest. Naniwas hurting foreigners? i think being babied and given hand out code S spots is ruining the integrity of GOM more then then losing a meaningless match that should have never been played. There are plenty of Idra fans who would gladly pay for subscriptions to replace your place. Besides, GOM and Koreans have the east Asian culture that stresses respect, status quo, and professionalism. That kind of value is something Western culture has failed to understand. Therefore, it's not a meaningless match, ask any football fans in the US who support teams that have already failed to make the playoff. As to your "free hand out" assessment, why don't you look at Sen's resume? You should get a BlizzCon 3rd place finish, NASL season 1, and NASL season 2 3rd place finishes before you ask for your free-to-code S-pass. Stop being overly simplistic. Maybe HerO should ask for his free-to-Code-S-pass then, he's had a Dreamhack win and an NASL 2nd place finish over Sen's third. Code S shouldn't be a hand-out to foreigners, if that's the way GOM wishes to conduct their business that's fine but it genuinely diminishes the value of being Code S if it's given to a foreigner just for performing well abroad. Plenty of non-Code S Koreans manage to do well in foreign tournaments. Good Koreans are a dime a dozen. If Idra/Sen aren't good enough for Code S, they'll lose and get knocked out. Or they are good enough, they'll win enough to stay in and everything will continue. So because there are more good Korean players we should give handouts to foreign players? I'm sorry if I don't agree with that at all. On a tournament at the level of Code S, you should not be penalized for your nationality. So there are dozens of players that are potentially better than the invites, but because they're Korean, they should be neglected? I don't think that's fair at all.
They aren't being penalized. They can win and get invited to Code S.
Potentially better is just potentially, Idra/Sen are two of the best invites. And as myeg.net confirmed, Idra didn't ask for his Code S spot back and was going to compete in the Up/Downs. But GOMtv wanted him in Code S, for reasons many could speculate on.
Hero has never been in Code S, despite trying nearly every season. I don't think he should get a pass because he wins a tournament outside of GSL when he tries every season. The people who get invited don't try to qualify and fail, they also don't try to qualify because qualifying for GSL while being a foreigner and not living in SKorea is practically impossible. And we can't expect foreigner to go live in SKorea indefinitely just to try for GSL, it's a strain on the players and on the teams.
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Would be great to get an actual press statement with some actual information for once, rather than random people's tweets.
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On December 15 2011 03:58 Mordiford wrote:Show nested quote +On December 15 2011 03:55 Hnnngg wrote:On December 15 2011 03:53 Mordiford wrote:On December 15 2011 03:50 twndomn wrote:On December 15 2011 03:42 uSnAmplified wrote:
Glad i stopped paying money to watch a video game popularity contest. Naniwas hurting foreigners? i think being babied and given hand out code S spots is ruining the integrity of GOM more then then losing a meaningless match that should have never been played. There are plenty of Idra fans who would gladly pay for subscriptions to replace your place. Besides, GOM and Koreans have the east Asian culture that stresses respect, status quo, and professionalism. That kind of value is something Western culture has failed to understand. Therefore, it's not a meaningless match, ask any football fans in the US who support teams that have already failed to make the playoff. As to your "free hand out" assessment, why don't you look at Sen's resume? You should get a BlizzCon 3rd place finish, NASL season 1, and NASL season 2 3rd place finishes before you ask for your free-to-code S-pass. Stop being overly simplistic. Maybe HerO should ask for his free-to-Code-S-pass then, he's had a Dreamhack win and an NASL 2nd place finish over Sen's third. Code S shouldn't be a hand-out to foreigners, if that's the way GOM wishes to conduct their business that's fine but it genuinely diminishes the value of being Code S if it's given to a foreigner just for performing well abroad. Plenty of non-Code S Koreans manage to do well in foreign tournaments. Good Koreans are a dime a dozen. If Idra/Sen aren't good enough for Code S, they'll lose and get knocked out. Or they are good enough, they'll win enough to stay in and everything will continue. So because there are more good Korean players we should give handouts to foreign players? I'm sorry if I don't agree with that at all. On a tournament at the level of Code S, you should not be penalized for your nationality. So there are dozens of players that are potentially better than the invites, but because they're Korean, they should be neglected? I don't think that's fair at all.
I would suggest you to look up the definition of handout in any online dictionaries. I am sure, both foreign and Korean players have to have some decent accomplishments before they can enter Code S; hence, your diction of "handout" does not apply. Is the process flawed in this case? Probably, is this a handout? No.
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This is ridiculous. Naniwa earned his code s spot. They can't just retroactively kick him out for doing something they don't like that was completely within the rules. Dog law is not a system you can build around.
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