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Please discuss IdrA and Sen in Code S January in this thread.
DarkMatter_
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada1774 Posts
December 14 2011 16:17 GMT
#1201
What was the basis for giving Idra and Sen a spot?
karpo
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden1998 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-14 16:20:30
December 14 2011 16:17 GMT
#1202
On December 15 2011 01:09 JL_GG wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2011 00:12 karpo wrote:
On December 15 2011 00:00 Reaper9 wrote:
On December 14 2011 23:53 karpo wrote:
On December 14 2011 23:38 Shortynut wrote:
Not saying neither of these guys deserve this opportunity, because we all agree they are both fantastic players, but Naniwa worked very hard to be given the chance at that spot (not that it was set in stone), even committing to his stay in Korea (giving up all the potential prize money from foreign tournaments in the process, which doesn't support the "naniwa is a money hunter" argument).

I think the "IdrA being the most popular foreigner" argument is irrelevant, he had a Code S spot before he left for NA, it's only right that he be allowed the chance to return.



He had a code S spot like half a year ago that he forfeited. Why should he get a invite back again, essentially bypassing the currently much harder qualification rounds?


I think it's a sign of good-will from GOM to the people outside of Korea, even if most won't see it that way. While they punish Naniwa, they give code S to Idra and Sen with the mindset of "hey, we still respect other people from foreign countries, let's give these popular players a chance".


It feels like a handout to me. It isn't fair to the great players still stuck in code A/B either. People lost interest in NASL S2 becuse there were no koreans and now GOM give away spots in the most prestigious SC2 tournament to foreigners. Everything seems messed up somehow.

idra was code s when he left and he was never out of code s technically so rly don't see how is it a handout
and oh u r swedish.....


I like how me being swedish automatically makes my argument invalid. The fact is that Idra left and it's not like GOM saved his spot. If someone quits a tournament and is away for 5 or 6 consecutive "seasons" it's weird that he gets his spot back. The competition is much tougher now and just getting a spot back isn't fair to the players who struggled for months in code A/S while Idra was away. Clear enough, or does my home country prevent me from thinking clearly?
Project Psycho
Profile Joined November 2010
United Kingdom329 Posts
December 14 2011 16:18 GMT
#1203
Why Sen and not Stephano?

While i would love to see Idra and Sen in code S, i think its total bullshit how they just get a by straight there with not even a match needed to be played, am actually pretty disgusted tbh. You have players like Losira, July, Polt etc battling it out in the up and downs, while you have 2 less accomplished(in korea) players not even playing a game just skip right by them, whats the justification for this?
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42381 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-14 16:25:19
December 14 2011 16:19 GMT
#1204
On December 15 2011 01:09 rareh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2011 01:02 Grettin wrote:
On December 15 2011 01:01 halfies wrote:
kick a player out for BM, invite Idra.
makes sense to me


Idra has been acting more professionally and better overall compared to Naniwa for a some time now. You really can't deny that.

The old Idra everyone knows, is pretty much gone. Especially in offline tournaments.


Hope thats a joke, in the last mlg he was flamming a 16 year old he lost to.


No, i'm not joking. I don't know the case you are talking about, but Idra has been improving his behavior and all the problems he has had. All that shit the "Old Idra" did months ago are pretty much gone. Some situations still occur, but not as much as before.

He has worked with his attitude, professionalism and problems he had in game, leaving early and disrespecting people and such. Yes, he does that in online tournaments but i'm mainly talking about offline tournaments here. Naniwa hasn't done literally anything if you look at it. Thats why he is very hard to work with, we've heard it multiple times and the recent "proof" of that was when Complexity sold his contract.

I'm not saying it's a great or best invite/replacement or anything, but Idra has improved a lot when it comes to these things. At least he is trying and has succeed with it.
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
iky43210
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States2099 Posts
December 14 2011 16:20 GMT
#1205
On December 15 2011 01:01 halfies wrote:
kick a player out for BM, invite Idra.
makes sense to me


despite how much idra BM in streams and such, he has never BM while in GSL beside not gg.

he knows better
Sc2Null
Profile Joined April 2011
United States3754 Posts
December 14 2011 16:20 GMT
#1206
On December 15 2011 01:18 Project Psycho wrote:
Why Sen and not Stephano?

While i would love to see Idra and Sen in code S, i think its total bullshit how they just get a by straight there with not even a match needed to be played, am actually pretty disgusted tbh. You have players like Losira, July, Polt etc battling it out in the up and downs, while you have 2 less accomplished(in korea) players not even playing a game just skip right by them, whats the justification for this?


I think gom's logic goes as follows:
Idra never lost his Code S spot(technically)
Sen actually qualified for Code S back in season 3; however, chose not to attend due to personal reasons.
These two actually qualified for code S more than anyone in the lower brackets
The great Spaghetti vs Screwdriver debacle of June '12" - Porcelina
UBavarice
Profile Joined November 2010
Sweden358 Posts
December 14 2011 16:21 GMT
#1207
Time to retake the throne, IdrA!
The Creator of the Universe, LG-IM.NesTea | The Gracken, IdrA | The Spoon Terran, "Big Papa" EG.ThorZaIN --- Fighting!!
DarkMatter_
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada1774 Posts
December 14 2011 16:25 GMT
#1208
If this decision to give Idra and Sen a Code S spots was as arbitrary as I think it is, then this entire tournament and organization is starting to feel like a joke. First, Naniwa loses his spot because apparently he's guilty of some completely arbitrary definition of "abusive behavior" and now they just randomly decide to give Idra and Sen a spot (most likely because they have large fanbases) over plenty of more deserving players.
Ata
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada356 Posts
December 14 2011 16:30 GMT
#1209
On December 15 2011 01:25 DarkMatter_ wrote:
If this decision to give Idra and Sen a Code S spots was as arbitrary as I think it is, then this entire tournament and organization is starting to feel like a joke. First, Naniwa loses his spot because apparently he's guilty of some completely arbitrary definition of "abusive behavior" and now they just randomly decide to give Idra and Sen a spot (most likely because they have large fanbases) over plenty of more deserving players.

+1
I really dont understand how people can justify this but again i dont understand how anyone could like Idra.
trucane
Profile Joined January 2009
United States553 Posts
December 14 2011 16:33 GMT
#1210
No offense but giving Idra and Sen code s spots for free has to be a joke right? Even if they would both have been performing amazingly lately ( which they haven't) it's still not right to give out code S spots like this. They have handed them out before to top3 at MLG and now suddenly they come for free? This is a really really bad move by GOM and should have been handled differently
lethal111
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada460 Posts
December 14 2011 16:33 GMT
#1211
Yaya sen and idra back in code s! Hope to see great games out of them
sc14s
Profile Joined March 2011
United States5052 Posts
December 14 2011 16:34 GMT
#1212
On December 15 2011 00:48 HappyChris wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2011 00:46 Zealotdriver wrote:
Go IdrA! He is far more deserving of the spot than Naniwa.


Yea ofcourse very logical. Naniwa only got 2nd place in MLG winning a spot just like DRG,MMA and MC did. Idra however went 3-3 vs no names in his wcg group. But he is very popular!

You are making so much sence


obviously WCG = GSL
gds
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Iceland1391 Posts
December 14 2011 16:38 GMT
#1213
Idra and Sen to code S is a business decision that is not related to their skill and results. Of course they are two very good players but we have to question about the legitimacy of GSL if they chose that kind of arbitrary financial decisions over skill based ones.
Keyboard Warrior
Profile Joined December 2011
United States1178 Posts
December 14 2011 16:39 GMT
#1214
How did Idra and Sen get Code S?
I wish them both GL
Not your regular Keyboard Warrior ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
MildSeven
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada311 Posts
December 14 2011 16:41 GMT
#1215
Naniwa's code S spot was a priviledge by GOM, and now that priviledge is given to Sen, i think it's fair since Naniwa showed himself unworthy of priviledges. If he EARNED the spot, then it would be a different story.
Xaga
Profile Joined June 2010
United States163 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-14 16:54:11
December 14 2011 16:43 GMT
#1216
EDIT: It looks like I was wrong... Idra and Sen were just given the foreigner spots, as Naniwa's was taken away. Idra or Sen probably would've been given the Code S spot either way. Check out this thread: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=294893

As much as I like Sen, and kind of like Idra, I really don't feel like this is fair to the other players in the GSL. GOM can come up with whatever reasons they want for why they gave them Code S seeds over someone else, but I'm sure a lot of people feel like they're more deserving of the Code S spot. It just doesn't feel right to me...

And in the case of Naniwa, really? He lost his Code S spot for this?
First Coca and now Naniwa.. and the reasoning for losing their seed is becoming weaker each time. I wonder who will be next and for what ridiculous reason..
Sein
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1811 Posts
December 14 2011 16:43 GMT
#1217
On December 14 2011 23:51 Mellon wrote:
So they remove Nani because he did a silly thing, a thing that Idra commented on and agreed with nani's decision.. Idra wrote : "dont have meaningless matches if you want players to take them seriously.", so i really don't understand why gom would be giving him a code S spot for so many obvious reasons?

When he left korea he did it after choosing his own group, made it turn into a 3-man group showing exactly what gomtv dont want, unproffesionalism. Idra is not even good enough to compete in code S imo, so don't see how this is justifiable... What a shitty day for sc2..


IdrA informed GOMtv that he was leaving before the group picking took place. GOM asked him to still go through the process and then he was allowed to leave. That was anything but "unproffesionalism".
Mordiford
Profile Joined April 2011
4448 Posts
December 14 2011 16:45 GMT
#1218
Erm...? So I was sort of with GOM until they randomly started handing out spots to the most prestigious tournament in the world.

So what is the basis of adding IdrA and Sen to Code S? Placement into Code A is one thing, placement into the Up/Downs even if you want, but putting them directly into Code S? That's an absolute joke.

You could make arguments for dozens of other players to get instant Code S instead? Giving out arbitrary Code S spots absolutely slaughters the worth of being called a Code S player.
Sein
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1811 Posts
December 14 2011 16:46 GMT
#1219
On December 15 2011 01:20 Sc2Null wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2011 01:18 Project Psycho wrote:
Why Sen and not Stephano?

While i would love to see Idra and Sen in code S, i think its total bullshit how they just get a by straight there with not even a match needed to be played, am actually pretty disgusted tbh. You have players like Losira, July, Polt etc battling it out in the up and downs, while you have 2 less accomplished(in korea) players not even playing a game just skip right by them, whats the justification for this?


I think gom's logic goes as follows:
Idra never lost his Code S spot(technically)
Sen actually qualified for Code S back in season 3; however, chose not to attend due to personal reasons.
These two actually qualified for code S more than anyone in the lower brackets


I believe that was Code A that Sen was qualified for, not Code S.
rkshox
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Taiwan536 Posts
December 14 2011 16:47 GMT
#1220
i just woke up from my slumber and this is the best news ever! Sen in Code S? Awesome!!!!!!
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