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On December 13 2011 04:34 Avean wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 04:28 tsilaicos wrote:On December 13 2011 04:26 GosI[Terran] wrote:On December 13 2011 04:22 tsilaicos wrote:On December 13 2011 04:17 HappyChris wrote:
I simply dont understand all the hate towards Desrow?. Why are so many fans from his region allways shitting on him? Desrow for me seems to be a player that wants to improve whats more do you people want?
if he's going to Korea i think it's reasonable to demand some skill from him. and i'm not talking about the NA ladder skill. no he dosent u arent his boss neither anyone here, he can do what ever he wants with his time cause its his life. he doesn't what? no i'm not his boss and i guess i could've rephrased my post. however i still don't see this trip could give him much since he's not as good as the others. there's a big gap and you guys need to realize that Dude, desrow is GM in two regions and thats with all the streaming and coaching every day as well. If anyone can learn fast from koreans then it would be desrow.
your last sentence simply doesn't make sense. there are numerous other people who would learn faster than desrow, in my opinion.
GM actually doesn't say anything. Code A (not to mention Code S) is far far above GM level. being GM is about laddering and things like endurance (?), not being good at the game. of course you have to be good at the game to be in GM but to play in Code A you have to be go-od.
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On December 13 2011 04:37 desRow wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 04:32 ExO_ wrote:
Wait so desrow is paying to go to Korea by himself? Is the team covering any expenses? i've got maxfrag helping me cover half the expenses to travel there the rest im covering (monthly cost of living etc etc)
Can't say I've always liked your play, but I can't hate on anybody willing to put up their own money to go to Korea for SC2. GL!
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On December 13 2011 03:53 GosI[Terran] wrote:
what does teamliquid has become people bashing someone cause he is going to korea?, lemme tell you people theres no such thing as talent im sorry but theres not the only thing that exist is hard work / learning process some ppl take longer time to learn something tha other persons in this case starcraft 2, why people bashing cause someone is going to korea?. i dont undestearnd he can do what ever he wants its his life its his choice if he wants to go to korea to become a better starcraft 2 player its gonna happen as long as he practices alot and try to fix all his mistakes of gameplay it happes to everyone anyone can be a progamer with hardwork and right eviroment. playing on NA or EU its awful bad compared to kr practice even if its only ladder, ur limited in practice partnets in eu and na if u go to korea u gonna improve by just mass gaming on the ladder similar effect of starcraft 1 iccup on korean times as long as u play alot, try ur hardest to fix ur mistakes u gonna get better theres no such thing as skill cap the only skill cap is ur own mind if u think just cause he isnt good right now he cant be good with the right amount of practice and correct mindset, its the same for everything as school / sports / university / starcraft 2 / poker / etc, as long as u put ur maximum effort and try to fix ur wrong habits u gonna achive something.
this is why in starcraft 1 the proteams even tough u could suck alot at starcraft 1 they give u over 1 year before kicking u out of the proteam because it dosent take 1 week 1 months its different for everyperson to undestearnd what they doing and how to get better mechanics / undestearnding of the game / and game sense.
so please stop bashing on someone that is going to try to achive something just cause he isnt good at the game at the moment.
Wow, not gonna lie, this is the first nice thing I have ever heard you say. Well Played dood! Hopefully you can shake the rep that seems to follow you around as well.
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Best of luck. You've shown dedication, and kept to it, hopefully you'll achieve what you want in Korea. 
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Good luck desrow! :D I hope you learn alot from your stay in Korea. Utilize all your tools you have while you are over there. IIRC there are alot of protosses in the gom house atm that you can definitely learn a thing or two from.
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gogo! Good luck to you desrow!! ^_^
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On December 13 2011 03:53 GosI[Terran] wrote:
what does teamliquid has become people bashing someone cause he is going to korea?, lemme tell you people theres no such thing as talent im sorry but theres not the only thing that exist is hard work / learning process some ppl take longer time to learn something tha other persons in this case starcraft 2, why people bashing cause someone is going to korea?. i dont undestearnd he can do what ever he wants its his life its his choice if he wants to go to korea to become a better starcraft 2 player its gonna happen as long as he practices alot and try to fix all his mistakes of gameplay it happes to everyone anyone can be a progamer with hardwork and right eviroment. playing on NA or EU its awful bad compared to kr practice even if its only ladder, ur limited in practice partnets in eu and na if u go to korea u gonna improve by just mass gaming on the ladder similar effect of starcraft 1 iccup on korean times as long as u play alot, try ur hardest to fix ur mistakes u gonna get better theres no such thing as skill cap the only skill cap is ur own mind if u think just cause he isnt good right now he cant be good with the right amount of practice and correct mindset, its the same for everything as school / sports / university / starcraft 2 / poker / etc, as long as u put ur maximum effort and try to fix ur wrong habits u gonna achive something.
this is why in starcraft 1 the proteams even tough u could suck alot at starcraft 1 they give u over 1 year before kicking u out of the proteam because it dosent take 1 week 1 months its different for everyperson to undestearnd what they doing and how to get better mechanics / undestearnding of the game / and game sense.
so please stop bashing on someone that is going to try to achive something just cause he isnt good at the game at the moment.
I believe that hard work will get you far and that bashing shouldnt happen but please dont think for a minute that talent does not exist. If this were true there everyone would be a professional athlete or whatever else. The fact is that natural talent does exist and some people are naturally better (their brains actually are better developed in certain areas) at certain things than others.
Does this mean that you can never achieve these things? No. Does this mean that more than likely other people will excel at them over you? Yes.
Regardless GL to desRow in korea and have fun.
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On December 13 2011 04:36 Oreo7 wrote:
@ people saying "well it's his dream"
Sure, and I applaud him for trying, but this is the wrong way to go about trying. Go to KR after you have some results of being a good NA pro. No reason you can't shouldn't prove that you can get to the 2nd step of the staircase before trying to jump to the 7th.
U mad?
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Nice opportunity for desRow, but in general I feel it is just a waste of time and money. Yes Korea is a place where someone can boot camp hardcore and come out looking like a brand new player, but for someone of his caliber to take the trip is somewhat of a joke. He has very little to no results and I feel he hasn't hit the ceiling that he can in NA. I view this very much like someone who is debating on getting an EU or KR account while in NA. If you're not the tip top on the ladder you play right now, and still have trouble at mid-GM, there is no reason to upgrade to something even harder and hope that it makes improvement faster.
All in all, while it's nice to see some more foreigners head out to KR, I feel too many are beginning to jump the gun and see KR as a "Hyperbolic Time Chamber" (DBZ), they see people like HuK and Sase spend a fair amount of time in KR and come out as beasts. I feel it fills false hope into the players who just don't really have the skill cap to play at that level.
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He is gonna need to improve rapidly fast in order to stay motivated. Good luck nonetheless
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On December 13 2011 04:39 tsilaicos wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 04:34 Avean wrote:On December 13 2011 04:28 tsilaicos wrote:On December 13 2011 04:26 GosI[Terran] wrote:On December 13 2011 04:22 tsilaicos wrote:On December 13 2011 04:17 HappyChris wrote:
I simply dont understand all the hate towards Desrow?. Why are so many fans from his region allways shitting on him? Desrow for me seems to be a player that wants to improve whats more do you people want?
if he's going to Korea i think it's reasonable to demand some skill from him. and i'm not talking about the NA ladder skill. no he dosent u arent his boss neither anyone here, he can do what ever he wants with his time cause its his life. he doesn't what? no i'm not his boss and i guess i could've rephrased my post. however i still don't see this trip could give him much since he's not as good as the others. there's a big gap and you guys need to realize that Dude, desrow is GM in two regions and thats with all the streaming and coaching every day as well. If anyone can learn fast from koreans then it would be desrow. your last sentence simply doesn't make sense. there are numerous other people who would learn faster than desrow, in my opinion. GM actually doesn't say anything. Code A (not to mention Code S) is far far above GM level. being GM is about laddering and things like endurance (?), not being good at the game. of course you have to be good at the game to be in GM but to play in Code A you have to be go-od.
when has going to korea in starcraft 2 ever affected someones play negatively? he is trying to get better the most efficient way and training in korea is obviously that
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... u arent his boss neither anyone here, he can do what ever he wants with his time cause its his life.
Too right, but you know what they say. Haters gonna hate.
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On December 13 2011 04:42 EriMus wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 04:36 Oreo7 wrote:
@ people saying "well it's his dream"
Sure, and I applaud him for trying, but this is the wrong way to go about trying. Go to KR after you have some results of being a good NA pro. No reason you can't shouldn't prove that you can get to the 2nd step of the staircase before trying to jump to the 7th. U mad?
u retarded?
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Korea is a good country to play Starcraft 2.
Good Lluck to him
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On December 13 2011 04:45 DangerWombat wrote:Show nested quote +... u arent his boss neither anyone here, he can do what ever he wants with his time cause its his life. Too right, but you know what they say. Haters gonna hate.
I love this. Don't respond to any of the criticism, just assume "haters gunna hate".
PS something can't be "too right". Just like something can't be "more perfect".
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goodluck to everyones favourite teddy bear. Too bad for incontrol quote = "If i feel like killing myself, i go and watch desrow stream"
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On December 13 2011 04:54 Chill wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 04:45 DangerWombat wrote:... u arent his boss neither anyone here, he can do what ever he wants with his time cause its his life. Too right, but you know what they say. Haters gonna hate. I love this. Don't respond to any of the criticism, just assume "haters gunna hate". PS something can't be "too right". Just like something can't be "more perfect".
Chill maybe you should sugar coat all of your criticism with "GLGLGLGL ^^ <3DESROW HWAITING<3"
This and completely unbiased casting would make you professional ESPORTS
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On December 13 2011 04:58 Mattchew wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2011 04:54 Chill wrote:On December 13 2011 04:45 DangerWombat wrote:... u arent his boss neither anyone here, he can do what ever he wants with his time cause its his life. Too right, but you know what they say. Haters gonna hate. I love this. Don't respond to any of the criticism, just assume "haters gunna hate". PS something can't be "too right". Just like something can't be "more perfect". Chill maybe you should sugar coat all of your criticism with "GLGLGLGL ^^ <3DESROW HWAITING<3" This and completely unbiased casting would make you professional ESPORTS
A player is traveling to Korea. He will play Starcraft there. He will attempt to enter Code A.
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Sweeeet! This is awesome, much love for a Canadian brother Hope you do well out in Korea, I will be cheering you on buddy!
A message to all those saying "BLAH BLAH GET BETTER IN NA FIRST BLAH BLAH YOU AREN'T GOOD ENOUGH!": Clearly none of you have ever excelled at anything in your life nor have tried to in the proper fashion. Please stop reflecting your own shortcomings on others. Speaking from the point of view of someone who has excelled at things, and associated with many others that have, the best way to do so is to compete against those who are MUCH better than you. Not so much that you get stomped completely every time, but so much that the person/people are clearly better than you. It will make you pick up your game and just try that much harder to get better at what you are practising. And I don't think that all the Korean players are that much better than desrow that one could argue he will get completely stomped out there.
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I can't help but wonder this is due to an extraordinary low marginal cost of sending him to Korea. I mean, think about it, with many Korean players already on roster, sending everyone's favourite teddy bear there is only going to cost you an airplane ticket.
Still what's the bashing about? It's never a BAD thing.
Edit: The cost to team is even lower with desRow himself contributing to the plane ticket and such. Why NOT? If I'm the team management, and I get a chance to improve the ability of one of the players without spending too much, I'd do it too!
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