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How the Rank 200 GM gamed the MMR system

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oOOoOphidian
Profile Joined January 2011
United States1402 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-11 23:54:52
December 11 2011 12:24 GMT
#1
edit: IF YOU DON'T READ THIS PART DON'T BOTHER REPLYING......
It seems that buki was already in GM and stayed in due to the system. As he can only be removed by inactivity and bonus pool accumulating, losing 130 games in a row doesn't demote the account from GM. I'm curious whether the lowered MMR will make it impossible to get back into GM next season, but either way the intentional losing is bannable.

He has defended himself saying he was just trolling by being a GM playing bronzies, which explains what happened, though still brings up concerns of abuse and some problems with the current system.

Original Post:

Today I looked at the NA Grandmaster's league list and noticed a player with a very unusually low win/loss ratio.

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Two days ago this player who had a normal account playing lots of games suddenly starts losing...

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A lot.

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The players mBnBuki was losing to were in bronze and eventually the account's MMR was reset and no longer lost points for losing a game. The loss streak was 130 games total.

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mBnBuki then went on a massive winning streak going 32-3 before being promoted to GM with the last loss...

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Against a silver league player.

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And here's a random picture from a local lan, featuring my friend ProfessorOak.
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Zidane
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States1692 Posts
December 11 2011 12:27 GMT
#2
which one's him?
oOOoOphidian
Profile Joined January 2011
United States1402 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-11 12:27:55
December 11 2011 12:27 GMT
#3
On December 11 2011 21:27 Zidane wrote:
which one's him?

The one with the face. (Second from the left)

The picture is unrelated to the topic, also.
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Lonyo
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United Kingdom3884 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-11 12:28:06
December 11 2011 12:27 GMT
#4
Everyone knows the GM system is broken in NA, has been all season.
With a season reset in a short while, where hopefully Blizz will fix it, it won't matter.

Although it is funny to see exactly how broken it is.
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Azzur
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia6267 Posts
December 11 2011 12:28 GMT
#5
Has the new season started already? I thought the GM league was locked?

Anyways, it is known that GM has been bugged for some time already.
Zidane
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States1692 Posts
December 11 2011 12:28 GMT
#6
Well knowing if he did abuse the ladder I would not be surprised if they banned him. Actually knowing blizzard, I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't anyway.
Geiko
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
France2045 Posts
December 11 2011 12:29 GMT
#7
Awesome,

I don't quite get how this works though, I thought GM selection just took players within a certain MMR range of the best ? If he has silver level MMR this shouldn't quite work ?

I'm having trouble understanding how there can be so many screw up with a system that's relatively straightforward to program.
geiko.813 (EU)
kellymilkies
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Singapore1393 Posts
December 11 2011 12:29 GMT
#8
Ahh! I love ProfessorOak! I talked to him in sc2 before
Be the change you wish to see in the world ^-^V //
Assaulter
Profile Joined December 2010
Lithuania324 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-11 12:31:42
December 11 2011 12:31 GMT
#9
On December 11 2011 21:28 Azzur wrote:
Has the new season started already? I thought the GM league was locked?

Anyways, it is known that GM has been bugged for some time already.

I'm pretty sure the lock starts at December 13th
aderum
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Sweden1459 Posts
December 11 2011 12:31 GMT
#10
Wow thats sad, and weird, that it is so exploitable... I guess most people in GM really should be there so this isnt a massive problem, but still... wow.
Crazy people dont sit around and wonder if they are insane
Zaphid
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic1860 Posts
December 11 2011 12:34 GMT
#11
On December 11 2011 21:29 Geiko wrote:
Awesome,

I don't quite get how this works though, I thought GM selection just took players within a certain MMR range of the best ? If he has silver level MMR this shouldn't quite work ?

I'm having trouble understanding how there can be so many screw up with a system that's relatively straightforward to program.

MMR is completely independent from league, for all we know the other guy was doing the same.

I guess they should make sure anyone promoted to GM should be in Master first, but ladder is serious business.
I will never ever play Mech against Protoss. - MVP
Sadistx
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Zimbabwe5568 Posts
December 11 2011 12:35 GMT
#12
The guy should be banned for throwing 130 games, not getting into GM league.

The division system is still bad and there's no reason a closed league (by number of spots) should even exist, especially if it flat out doesn't work and is exploitable like we see here.

GM should just be masters league and top200 by points should get the orange icons.
Unfortunate
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada132 Posts
December 11 2011 12:38 GMT
#13
The problem with GM is that it's not actually invite only. There's a system, and when there's a system, it's going to be beaten by some derp.

Way to avoid this? Make GM actually an "invite only" league. Why not? Get the top pros, with some room to cycle new up and comers into it, and let em duke it out. But atm ladder has no worth so who cares :D
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rauk
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States2228 Posts
December 11 2011 12:39 GMT
#14
i'm so confused how this is supposed to work

wouldn't this mean any wintrader who started playing to win for like 50 games would get into gm? shouldn't this have happened a ton then?
CanucksJC
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada1241 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-11 12:48:15
December 11 2011 12:40 GMT
#15
You can't ban him for throwing 130 games lol
Also I have no idea how he did this, it doesnt make sense that other farmers didn't get GM this way... :S
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Chaosvuistje
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands2581 Posts
December 11 2011 12:41 GMT
#16
Getting promoted into GM should force you to play a BoX with a grandmaster to show your worth, not beat random ladder players until you have accumulated enough MMR to get inside it.
Benjef
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United Kingdom6921 Posts
December 11 2011 12:41 GMT
#17
Imo, I think its fine. He found an exploit, report to blizzard and hope they fix it so it can't happen again.
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softan
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden113 Posts
December 11 2011 12:42 GMT
#18
Ye it looks to me he lost 130 games in a row on purpose just to get down to bronze. I don't think him getting into gm is the problem, he's probably good enough for gm if he got there it's the fact that he lost on purpose just to own bronzers. It ruins things for those people having to face him, both when he lost on purpose and when they later didn't stand a chance.
Sadistx
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Zimbabwe5568 Posts
December 11 2011 12:43 GMT
#19
On December 11 2011 21:40 CanucksJC wrote:
You can't ban him for throwing 130 games lol
Also I have no idea how he did this, I've done this myself too, throwing myself in bronze, i've won literally 100 in a row but I was still in bronze...


Yes, you can. Blizzard said it's a bannable offense.
Speece
Profile Joined April 2011
United States50 Posts
December 11 2011 12:45 GMT
#20
According to sc2ranks, he has been in GM for the whole season.
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