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On December 11 2011 21:46 CanucksJC wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2011 21:43 Sadistx wrote:On December 11 2011 21:40 CanucksJC wrote:
You can't ban him for throwing 130 games lol
Also I have no idea how he did this, I've done this myself too, throwing myself in bronze, i've won literally 100 in a row but I was still in bronze... Yes, you can. Blizzard said it's a bannable offense. This topic has been under debate for the longest time, you'll be surprised at the number of farmers, yet I haven't seen anyone get banned except for those that used a bot to do it. It doesn't matter how you lose the game, I think Blizzard was referring to team games when they made that statement.
if you look at how Blizzard handled this in their ladder systems in the past, you would find that they don't necessarily treat it as a bannable offense. they usually just reset the player's ladder account. they did that with AMM abusers in war3 forever ago pretty consistently.
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Are you people retarded?
First it should be clarified if he was GM before. If he in fact was (not like the op told that he was promoted to gm) this is nothing special at all and one of the first things people critisized about GM.- You can't get demoted for sucking, just for inactivity..............which means you can drop a shitload of games when you're in gm and still stay there.........
Sky was in GM on european and a friend of mine met him trading in bronze.....
Hilarious what people start to make up . I bet a ton of silver to master players have started dropping games upon reading this thread in order to get promoted to gm lol.
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On December 11 2011 22:30 Simonius wrote:
Are you people retarded?
First it should be clarified if he was GM before. If he in fact was (not like the op told that he was promoted to gm) this is nothing special at all and one of the first things people critisized about GM.- You can't get demoted for sucking, just for inactivity..............which means you can drop a shitload of games when you're in gm and still stay there.........
Sky was in GM on european and a friend of mine met him trading in bronze.....
Hilarious what people start to make up . I bet a ton of silver to master players have started dropping games upon reading this thread in order to get promoted to gm lol.
you should probably make your point without writing off everyone in the entire thread with an insult before you even begin 
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On December 11 2011 22:32 listal wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2011 22:30 Simonius wrote:
Are you people retarded?
First it should be clarified if he was GM before. If he in fact was (not like the op told that he was promoted to gm) this is nothing special at all and one of the first things people critisized about GM.- You can't get demoted for sucking, just for inactivity..............which means you can drop a shitload of games when you're in gm and still stay there.........
Sky was in GM on european and a friend of mine met him trading in bronze.....
Hilarious what people start to make up . I bet a ton of silver to master players have started dropping games upon reading this thread in order to get promoted to gm lol. you should probably make your point without writing off everyone in the entire thread with an insult before you even begin
Sry but it was really appalling how people immidiately talked about banning and a new abuse when this is absolutely nothing new. The op documented it like there was some new huge ladder bug or so and that's just plain wrong......
He also didn't state which league the op was before rendering this pretty ridiculous and making it sound like he was a random platinum dude who lost 130 games and then won 30 games vs bronzies just to be placed in grandmaster......
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That's okay, nobody has really respected GM as the pinnacle of starcraft 2 skill for a long time. No big loss, hope they fix it though.
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I think it's quite possible that this player was in GM beforehand, but regardless intentionally losing to lower the MMR and play only against low league players while remaining in GM is very abusive and against the rules. Blizzard has stated they will ban for this activity.
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Well isn't Buki the terran who always one base all in? With the so-called "Buki build".
Doesn't surprise me that much that he tries some abusive hack bullshit ;D
Unfortunately, the NA ladder seems to be plagued with trash accounts (cheesers, drop hackers, stream cheaters, make your pick...), I feel for you guys. I guess you just have to bear with it for now :/
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On December 11 2011 22:36 Simonius wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2011 22:32 listal wrote:On December 11 2011 22:30 Simonius wrote:
Are you people retarded?
First it should be clarified if he was GM before. If he in fact was (not like the op told that he was promoted to gm) this is nothing special at all and one of the first things people critisized about GM.- You can't get demoted for sucking, just for inactivity..............which means you can drop a shitload of games when you're in gm and still stay there.........
Sky was in GM on european and a friend of mine met him trading in bronze.....
Hilarious what people start to make up . I bet a ton of silver to master players have started dropping games upon reading this thread in order to get promoted to gm lol. you should probably make your point without writing off everyone in the entire thread with an insult before you even begin Sry but it was really appalling how people immidiately talked about banning and a new abuse when this is absolutely nothing new. The op documented it like there was some new huge ladder bug or so and that's just plain wrong...... He also didn't state which league the op was before rendering this pretty ridiculous and making it sound like he was a random platinum dude who lost 130 games and then won 30 games vs bronzies just to be placed in grandmaster......
that's understandable  mBnbuki was most definitely in GM at the start of the ladder season. he's a strong player; agreed that the OP is definitely misleading in that regard.
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On December 11 2011 22:50 ZenithM wrote:
Well isn't Buki the terran who always one base all in? With the so-called "Buki build".
Doesn't surprise me that much that he tries some abusive hack bullshit ;D
Unfortunately, the NA ladder seems to be plagued with trash accounts (cheesers, drop hackers, stream cheaters, make your pick...), I feel for you guys. I guess you just have to bear with it for now :/
he isn't hacking, so it's unfair to pin that on him. i'm not sure this even counts as abuse, since he was already in GM. at the very least, it does point out that the system of having players booted by inactivity alone can be lame in one-off cases like this, but i'm not sure how that warrants tearing apart the player and throwing out a generalization about the server he plays on. every location has its fair share of players who do something that's looked down upon, unfortunately. every location also has its share of creative one-base all-in players.
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maybe he just had a bad day, this shit happens to me all the time
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On December 11 2011 22:59 listal wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2011 22:50 ZenithM wrote:
Well isn't Buki the terran who always one base all in? With the so-called "Buki build".
Doesn't surprise me that much that he tries some abusive hack bullshit ;D
Unfortunately, the NA ladder seems to be plagued with trash accounts (cheesers, drop hackers, stream cheaters, make your pick...), I feel for you guys. I guess you just have to bear with it for now :/ he isn't hacking, so it's unfair to pin that on him. i'm not sure this even counts as abuse, since he was already in GM. at the very least, it does point out that the system of having players booted by inactivity alone can be lame in one-off cases like this, but i'm not sure how that warrants tearing apart the player and throwing out a generalization about the server he plays on. every location has its fair share of players who do something that's looked down upon, unfortunately. every location also has its share of creative one-base all-in players.
You call it creative, I call it cheesy, that's all a matter of perspective
Regardless, you're right, that's no hack, but that's still very shady. Not the kind of shit a "strong" player needs for sure.
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On December 11 2011 22:51 listal wrote:that's understandable mBnbuki was most definitely in GM at the start of the ladder season. he's a strong player; agreed that the OP is definitely misleading in that regard.
It's not misleading - it's completely wrong. The whole premise of the post is that you can "game the MMR system" to get into GM by dropping your MMR so low that you only need to pound Bronze/Silver players to get in, which is completely incorrect.
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On December 11 2011 23:10 leviathan20 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2011 22:51 listal wrote:that's understandable mBnbuki was most definitely in GM at the start of the ladder season. he's a strong player; agreed that the OP is definitely misleading in that regard. It's not misleading - it's completely wrong. The whole premise of the post is that you can "game the MMR system" to get into GM by dropping your MMR so low that you only need to pound Bronze/Silver players to get in, which is completely incorrect.
i think that point has been clearly established. i guess i was trying to be tactful, but apparently i ended up being unclear 
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On December 11 2011 23:04 Kira__ wrote:
maybe he just had a bad day, this shit happens to me all the time
130 lost games in a row? More like a bad week where he broke all his fingers and they healed after lol
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The OP is wrong and almost every other person in this thread is wrong, wtf? It's not that hard to tell what happened.
He played into GM normally at the start of season 4.
Once you are in GM, you will stay GM for the rest of the season.
If you decide to lose 300 games on purpose, your MMR will sink to that of a bronze player and you will start playing bronze players.
Your MMR will work exactly like that of any other player, besides that you don't get demoted. The only way to get demoted from GM is if your bonuspool is over 180. That's intentionally by blizzard.
If he doesn't win any more games from now on, once the new season starts he would be placed into a bronze division.
tl;dr: there is still no known way to exploit getting into GM, the OP was simply wrong in his assumptions
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Why does it not surprise me that 90% of the people in this thread got it wrong and think he gamed the system? OP got confuse with ladder points and MMR.
MMR is NOT ladder points.
Like others have said, he got into GM legit. He's trying to game the system into doing something else, my guess is trying to climb the GM ranks. He finds it hard to get ladder points from playing other GM-level players, so he's trying to get ladder points by sacrificing his MMR to the point where he can get EZ wins against bronze players, and farm up his ladder points that way starting from 0 ladder points.
Unfortunately for him, he's only getting 1 or 2 points for each win so he failed.
tl;dr: he failed at exploiting the ladder and nothing was gained.
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Is intentional losing bannable? I never heard of that.
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What a boss, I've been waiting for somebody to do this so it shows how utterly retarded the GM system is on ladder, but please change the title, edit, put a banner or something other than an edit at the bottom of the post, saying this guy is cheating the system and placed in GM with a bronze MMR is not fair to him. Blame Blizzard, not the players who abuse it >.> he got in fairly.
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On December 11 2011 23:21 ZwuckeL wrote:
The OP is wrong and almost every other person in this thread is wrong, wtf? It's not that hard to tell what happened.
He played into GM normally at the start of season 4.
Once you are in GM, you will stay GM for the rest of the season.
If you decide to lose 300 games on purpose, your MMR will sink to that of a bronze player and you will start playing bronze players.
Your MMR will work exactly like that of any other player, besides that you don't get demoted. The only way to get demoted from GM is if your bonuspool is over 180. That's intentionally by blizzard.
If he doesn't win any more games from now on, once the new season starts he would be placed into a bronze division.
tl;dr: there is still no known way to exploit getting into GM, the OP was simply wrong in his assumptions
Lol you said what i said but made it easier to understand (I have had like 9 hours sleep the last 3 days so bear with me haha)
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GM system in NA is not reliable.
Blizzard needs to do something about it. Maybe invites?
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