EPTWhy I Think Stephano is a Really Good SC2 Player - Page 11
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skrzmark
United States1528 Posts
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The_Darkness
United States910 Posts
1. People always mention the IPL but he also has won the ESWC and UK IPL 4 regional qualifier. Bringing his 2 month earnings total to +50K. He also won a couple smaller tournaments (some MSI Cup where he 3-1'd Thorzain in the finals). He's had some hiccups as well, playing poorly at Dreamhack and in the NASL qualifiers. His run over the past two months is better than anything any foreigner has done, full stop. As everyone knows, no one plays well all of the time in every tournament, not Nestea, not MVP, etc. Stephano has accomplished all of this, it beats noting, not having trained in Korea. Now that he's in Korea, the sky would appear to be the limit -- which brings me to the next point. 2. Stephano is top 30 on the Korean ladder. Everyone knows that ladder isn't the end all or be all, doesn't mean shit, etc. Nevertheless, his win % on the KR server (72%) is 11th best (2d best for a zerg) and is about what it was on the European server (74% -- I'm guessing it's so "low" on the EU server because of an increasing amount of stream cheating since he's becoming better known). In any case, Stephano's mechanics and multitasking are unreal. Without spines he was able to basically shut down Makaprime's drops for forty minutes. His play showed some holes (e.g., where was the counter offense for one? He failed to keep or even to try to keep Maka on 3 bases, which it seems like you almost have to do if you're playing mass melee)). As a point of comparison, Huk's, Thorzain's and Select's win % on the KR server after a comparable number of games were hovering in the low 50s. At the very least, his success on the KR server demonstrates that his defense against cheese is amazing,which is something most of us already knew. 3. Stephano's run on the EU ladder (64 of 65 games at GM) is amazing however you slice it, especially coupled with his recent success in large LAN tournaments. That feat (which is well chronicled in these fora) is evidence of some sort of genius IMO. I also think that Stephano, among the entire universe of Zerg's, probably has the most upside (or untapped "talent") along with Leenock. Stephano just graduated high school, doesn't play on an elite team and only now just started training in Korea, yet his run over the past two months, as noted above, is the best of any foreign player. Anyone who can defend the insane drop harass you see on the KR ladder with just ling-infestor-ultra has crazy multitask ability and concentration. His decision making for when and where to engage and his micro in those battles is generally world class as well (although he like all zergs also loses a lot of engagements). All of his units are usually in the fight and he's able to target down the units he needs to. I think Leenock has the best micro and battle decision making in the world (and thus is better at these things than Stephano). However, I'll note that I actually think Stephano is more cost efficient with his units than Nestea is (at least lately -- Nestea has looked increasingly mortal) and probably DRG, Coca and almost certainly Losira. I'm looking forward to the Blizzard Cup. Stephano could do well or he could lose in group stages (as could anyone who doesn't play Terran). | ||
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Canucklehead
Canada5074 Posts
On December 11 2011 03:18 AIOL! wrote: This kind of posts makes him to ba hated :'( Seriously the best player in the world at the moment is MVP, Stephano is great, maybe the best foreigner, maybe the player with the best potential but he isn't the best player in the world, this is false ! And to say that before Blizzard cup will just make you look like idiot if he doesn't pass the groupstage (wich is verry probable) Yup, his fanboys are the main reason why I'm not a stephano fan and it's very hard to like him. | ||
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amazingoopah
United States1925 Posts
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Ahaha
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ProxyKnoxy
United Kingdom2576 Posts
Winning the MLG Global Invitational and coming second at Providence... beating the two best players in the world MVP and Nestea. I reckon Stephano and Naniwa are in the Top 2/3 foreigner spots | ||
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Dawg_Snow
France425 Posts
I like stephano a lot i think that he has the potential to become a true monster in sc2 but i don t think that he is YET this good. Dunno if this post is a troll though | ||
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bubblegumbo
Taiwan1296 Posts
On December 11 2011 01:56 LiquidFahq wrote: So a Broodwar background did help, although bonjwas and legends such as Nada, July, and Boxer did not live up to their foreclaimed glory. Too much biased fanboyism in this thread, also those players you mentioned are in the twilight of their career, it's stupid and disrespectful to talk down on their SC2 career so far. They've done more than enough in a harder, older game. Why did you even need to mention them at all when they don't even have to play SC2 anymore other than for their passion of RTS gaming? How does this even relate to Stephano's own ability when he has nothing to do with them? Stephano is good but your are just hyping shit up when he hasn't even starting playing in the GSL yet. There are a good number of players with great potential to be the very best without their own hype thread, threads like this is just troll bait when he ends up not winning. | ||
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VENDIZ
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Inertia_EU
United Kingdom513 Posts
On December 11 2011 02:04 Cereb wrote: Being a completely biased Stephano fanboy... ..I absolutely agree with everything :D Ditto, Stephano is actually the best player, ever. | ||
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lac29
United States1485 Posts
"TangSC made a post about what learned from watching his stream today. (And what Stephano could improve-nothing, jk)" | ||
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Garnet
Vietnam9055 Posts
I think what OP is saying is that he thinks Stephano is the most talented player. And most talented != "best". | ||
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Kira__
Sweden2672 Posts
1. Nestea 2. Leenock 3. LosirA 4. Destiny 5. DongRaeGu 6. Stephano 7. Spanishiwa 8. Morrow 9. Machine 10. IdrA Edit: Damn spelling errors :/ | ||
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Let it Raine
Canada1245 Posts
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chosenkerrigan
858 Posts
On December 11 2011 03:50 Kira__ wrote: I agree, Stephano is pretty damn good. Definately one of the better foreigners out there, and I'd put him in top ten zergs in the world. How he does in Blizzard Cup well determine if he's actually as good as the best koreans. 1. Nestea 2. Leenock 3. LosirA 4. Destiny 5. DongRaeGu 6. Stephano 7. Spanishiwa 8. Morrow 9. Machine 10. IdrA Destiny over DRG...of course | ||
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Simonius
Germany98 Posts
On December 11 2011 03:50 Kira__ wrote: I agree, Stephano is pretty damn good. Definately one of the better foreigners out there, and I'd put him in top ten zergs in the world. How he does in Blizzard Cup well determine if he's actually as good as the best koreans. 1. Nestea 2. Leenock 3. LosirA 4. Destiny 5. DongRaeGu 6. Stephano 7. Spanishiwa 8. Morrow 9. Machine 10. IdrA Absolutely random and stupid list............Machine and Destiny better than July? How can spanishiwa be in the list and not coca? I'd say that MCs zerg is probably better than machine....... | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On December 11 2011 03:30 SafeAsCheese wrote: It's sad that these threads are allowed just on the merit that the OP typed 15 paragraphs, like it's good content or something :| At least an Admin changed the title. ;/ | ||
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Olinimm
1471 Posts
Come on dude he's obviously trolling...no one with enough brain cells to use a keyboard would actually think destiny and spanishiwa are top 10 zergs in the world. | ||
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Denzil
United Kingdom4193 Posts
On December 11 2011 03:50 Kira__ wrote: I agree, Stephano is pretty damn good. Definately one of the better foreigners out there, and I'd put him in top ten zergs in the world. How he does in Blizzard Cup will determine if he's actually as good as the best koreans. 1. Nestea 2. Leenock 3. LosirA 4. Destiny 5. DongRaeGu 6. Stephano 7. Spanishiwa 8. Morrow 9. Machine 10. IdrA Edit: Damn spelling errors :/ I've never seen a more well composed troll list although I'd put spanishiwa above Destiny just to make destiny fans more mad | ||
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StarStruck
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