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Subversive
Profile Joined October 2009
Australia2229 Posts
December 10 2011 19:16 GMT
#241
On December 11 2011 04:11 shadymmj wrote:
this kind of topic definitely needs a warning because it is downright inflammatory for no good reason.

during their prime boxer, july and nada were untouchable. they have stood at the pinnacle of starcraft, invented (and re-invented) the game, and became the face of professional gaming in korea. they have nothing much to prove in sc2, an easier game because of many factors.

these legends invented strategies. their influence throughout the scene was completely dominant. before boxer, nobody thought playing terran was a good idea. before july, nobody would fear muta harass. name me one player in sc2 who can change the way the game is played. it sure as hell isn't stephano.

TheBest[fOu]
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amazingoopah
Profile Joined January 2010
United States1925 Posts
December 10 2011 19:17 GMT
#242
On December 11 2011 03:50 Kira__ wrote:
I agree, Stephano is pretty damn good. Definately one of the better foreigners out there, and I'd put him in top ten zergs in the world. How he does in Blizzard Cup will determine if he's actually as good as the best koreans.

1. Nestea
2. Leenock
3. LosirA
4. Destiny
5. DongRaeGu
6. Stephano
7. Spanishiwa
8. Morrow
9. Machine
10. IdrA

Edit: Damn spelling errors :/


wow, lol... spanishwa, destiny, MACHINE?????

at least you didn't put in Catz to make Naniwa angry!
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-10 19:24:58
December 10 2011 19:18 GMT
#243
On December 11 2011 03:58 Hazuc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2011 03:57 Rokevo wrote:
There's no doupt hes a good player, one of the top foreigners. I'm not sure if the OP is a 100% serious, or if there's some trollin' mixed in... But this kind of fanboyism is the reason why I root against him. Stephano fans tend to get out of control way too often.


I'm so sick of reading people saying that "x player fans are this, etc.".


Yup, especially when you can fill it in with x, y, z as the player.

My message to those people is to stop being so hypocritical. You find certain fans annoying? Great, it goes right across the map. That isn't a valid excuse for not enjoying a player's play. You have beef with their fan boys. I can say the same shit about almost any player and its totally irrelevant.

It's called a symptom of the problem; not the problem itself.

Produce valid arguments as to why you don't like a certain player, i.e. character, their style of play, etc. instead of coming off as whiny hypocrites all the time.
xi Tempest x
Profile Joined July 2011
Scotland340 Posts
December 10 2011 19:19 GMT
#244
I don't think he is the best in the world, 2nd for me, ForGG is Scary good.

i also think he has the most potential out of everyone :D
Maenander
Profile Joined November 2002
Germany4927 Posts
December 10 2011 19:19 GMT
#245
On December 11 2011 04:16 Subversive wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2011 04:11 shadymmj wrote:
this kind of topic definitely needs a warning because it is downright inflammatory for no good reason.

during their prime boxer, july and nada were untouchable. they have stood at the pinnacle of starcraft, invented (and re-invented) the game, and became the face of professional gaming in korea. they have nothing much to prove in sc2, an easier game because of many factors.

these legends invented strategies. their influence throughout the scene was completely dominant. before boxer, nobody thought playing terran was a good idea. before july, nobody would fear muta harass. name me one player in sc2 who can change the way the game is played. it sure as hell isn't stephano.

TheBest[fOu]

(T)BitByBitPrime
Angel_
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States1617 Posts
December 10 2011 19:19 GMT
#246
I really hate the term Bonjwa.


On a positive note, today I learned that machine plays zerg.
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States46483 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-10 19:23:27
December 10 2011 19:19 GMT
#247
What the heck is this?

The token Stephano bandwagoner who's also ripping on other players (like IdrA) because he's so biased?

Can this just get moved to blogs because it's so ridiculous? Or closed, because it's just stupid?

Stephano's a great player, but you're a little bit crazy.

This is overhype.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Ryps
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Romania2740 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-10 19:20:57
December 10 2011 19:19 GMT
#248
On December 11 2011 04:17 amazingoopah wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2011 03:50 Kira__ wrote:
I agree, Stephano is pretty damn good. Definately one of the better foreigners out there, and I'd put him in top ten zergs in the world. How he does in Blizzard Cup will determine if he's actually as good as the best koreans.

1. Nestea
2. Leenock
3. LosirA
4. Destiny
5. DongRaeGu
6. Stephano
7. Spanishiwa
8. Morrow
9. Machine
10. IdrA

Edit: Damn spelling errors :/


wow, lol... spanishwa, destiny, MACHINE?????

at least you didn't put in Catz to make Naniwa angry!


Ofc he didnt put CatZ there, he is a level above them. He gets 5k viewers thats way better than any tournament won by those guys, lets not forget CatZ lost in round one TL map contest today to a plat player, what other player can do that ?
[17]Purple
Profile Joined October 2011
United Kingdom3489 Posts
December 10 2011 19:20 GMT
#249
I think we can wait until the end of the Blizzard Cup as it does have a Best Player Award that will be awarded to the winner, lets all wait for GOMTV to hand out the award to the best player!
"Turn Disadvantages into Disadvantages" and "Collect Telephones". The secrets of Chinese success.
syriuszonito
Profile Joined June 2011
Poland332 Posts
December 10 2011 19:22 GMT
#250
yes stephano is a great player but what is the point of this topic, cmon
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hifriend
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
China7935 Posts
December 10 2011 19:23 GMT
#251
when a player is dominating tournaments and claims that he's practicing 3 hours a day, he is lying
Otolia
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
France5805 Posts
December 10 2011 19:29 GMT
#252
On December 11 2011 04:19 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
What the heck is this?

The token Stephano bandwagoner who's also ripping on other players (like IdrA) because he's so biased?

Can this just get moved to blogs because it's so ridiculous? Or closed, because it's just stupid?

Stephano's a great player, but you're a little bit crazy.

This is overhype.

-This is MADNESS !
-This. Is. SARCASM !

I would add a photo of a well-known meme but you all know the drill ...
Reggiegigas
Profile Joined August 2010
234 Posts
December 10 2011 19:32 GMT
#253
Stephano is good but overrated imo, he's just another foreigner zerg.

Consistency is more important than taking one big tournament or being super for one month.
zHarveLi
Profile Joined December 2011
Belgium29 Posts
December 10 2011 19:33 GMT
#254
Calling someone the best is something I can never agree with unless they'd get achievements that would make it a fact that he/she is the best player but with stephano.. that's not the case.

+ I always believe there are little kids younger than us who have the potential to just humiliate the current top if they'd actually get the chance to go for it but unfortunately not everyone gets the chance to do so.

The thing I'm waiting for is the big guns from bw to finally switch over which will, without any doubt, kick the current top level to a higher level which can only be a good thing for starcraft.
http://cafe.daum.net/ipxzerg
AIOL!
Profile Joined January 2011
France962 Posts
December 10 2011 19:33 GMT
#255
On December 11 2011 03:57 Cloud9157 wrote:
Stephano is really damn good, but until he goes to Korea, he will never be better than them.


he's already in korea -_-
Stephano!!!!!!/Nerchio/Mana/Hasuobs/Grubby/Kas/Tarson/Sarens/Goody/BeastyCury
Enearde
Profile Joined February 2011
France265 Posts
December 10 2011 19:34 GMT
#256
Stephano always said (even during his WC3 carreer) that he doesn't practice much, that he can't play and if he is winning so much is because he has pure talent. He's a beast but stop hyping him so much, He has a pretty huge ego if i'ld say so myself. He needs a lot more than (even big) foreign tourney to be called "the best player in the world". Right now, MVP is the best player in the world, Stephano is not even close to the level of a Nestea or a Losira who did constantly well in GSL.

If he is able to do well constantly (6 months or so) in Korea as MVP or Nestea did, he'll rise to another status. At the moment, i'ld consider Huk better than Stephano based on the results.
7mk
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Germany10157 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-10 19:34:58
December 10 2011 19:34 GMT
#257
On December 11 2011 02:52 jj33 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2011 02:31 Sarang wrote:
On December 11 2011 02:27 Gevna wrote:
On December 11 2011 02:24 GreEny K wrote:
On December 11 2011 02:22 jj33 wrote:
korean pros don't take ladder seriously.

they use it to practice random stuff.

Stephano is talented yes, but so are many other pros, he's not the best player in the world.

Nobody is a super clear best in the world in sc2. that's reserved truly dominant players like flash/jd.


MVP and Nestea... Best in the world, I think anyone will agree.

Not really MVP is of course one of the best but there is still none 'best player in the world" in sc2. You can't lose against Haypro, or leenock and being the best.


I didn't follow Brood War. But you can't seriously tell me that Flash, in his prime, never lost to an inferior opponent?

A player doesn't have to be super dominant to be the best. He just needs to be better than everyone else.

Also the fact that you would use Leenock as an example of a bad player proves you have no idea what you're talking about.



there is no super dominant player in sc2 yet.

that's the point. MVp and nestea and some others are the best at the moment sure. but not one or two players are ultra dominant like flash/jd/bisu.

I also find Leenock's talent and play more impressive than Stephano.

Leenocks run through MLG was more impressive than anything stephano has done.


ya youre right, Bisu is super dominant LOL
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AIOL!
Profile Joined January 2011
France962 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-10 19:35:03
December 10 2011 19:34 GMT
#258
On December 11 2011 04:18 StarStruck wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2011 03:58 Hazuc wrote:
On December 11 2011 03:57 Rokevo wrote:
There's no doupt hes a good player, one of the top foreigners. I'm not sure if the OP is a 100% serious, or if there's some trollin' mixed in... But this kind of fanboyism is the reason why I root against him. Stephano fans tend to get out of control way too often.


I'm so sick of reading people saying that "x player fans are this, etc.".


Yup, especially when you can fill it in with x, y, z as the player.

My message to those people is to stop being so hypocritical. You find certain fans annoying? Great, it goes right across the map. That isn't a valid excuse for not enjoying a player's play. You have beef with their fan boys. I can say the same shit about almost any player and its totally irrelevant.

It's called a symptom of the problem; not the problem itself.

Produce valid arguments as to why you don't like a certain player, i.e. character, their style of play, etc. instead of coming off as whiny hypocrites all the time.


Best post i read for a long time
Stephano!!!!!!/Nerchio/Mana/Hasuobs/Grubby/Kas/Tarson/Sarens/Goody/BeastyCury
zHarveLi
Profile Joined December 2011
Belgium29 Posts
December 10 2011 19:42 GMT
#259
On December 11 2011 04:34 AIOL! wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2011 04:18 StarStruck wrote:
On December 11 2011 03:58 Hazuc wrote:
On December 11 2011 03:57 Rokevo wrote:
There's no doupt hes a good player, one of the top foreigners. I'm not sure if the OP is a 100% serious, or if there's some trollin' mixed in... But this kind of fanboyism is the reason why I root against him. Stephano fans tend to get out of control way too often.


I'm so sick of reading people saying that "x player fans are this, etc.".


Yup, especially when you can fill it in with x, y, z as the player.

My message to those people is to stop being so hypocritical. You find certain fans annoying? Great, it goes right across the map. That isn't a valid excuse for not enjoying a player's play. You have beef with their fan boys. I can say the same shit about almost any player and its totally irrelevant.

It's called a symptom of the problem; not the problem itself.

Produce valid arguments as to why you don't like a certain player, i.e. character, their style of play, etc. instead of coming off as whiny hypocrites all the time.


Best post i read for a long time



though, sometimes you don't really have a reason to dislike a certain player, nor do you even need one, sometimes it's just the feeling you get when you watch a certain player. BUT BUT BUT, keeping it shut is the best thing in that situation because saying "it's just a feeling" comes across as rediculous for a lot of people.
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Subversive
Profile Joined October 2009
Australia2229 Posts
December 10 2011 19:53 GMT
#260
On December 11 2011 04:34 7mk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2011 02:52 jj33 wrote:
On December 11 2011 02:31 Sarang wrote:
On December 11 2011 02:27 Gevna wrote:
On December 11 2011 02:24 GreEny K wrote:
On December 11 2011 02:22 jj33 wrote:
korean pros don't take ladder seriously.

they use it to practice random stuff.

Stephano is talented yes, but so are many other pros, he's not the best player in the world.

Nobody is a super clear best in the world in sc2. that's reserved truly dominant players like flash/jd.


MVP and Nestea... Best in the world, I think anyone will agree.

Not really MVP is of course one of the best but there is still none 'best player in the world" in sc2. You can't lose against Haypro, or leenock and being the best.


I didn't follow Brood War. But you can't seriously tell me that Flash, in his prime, never lost to an inferior opponent?

A player doesn't have to be super dominant to be the best. He just needs to be better than everyone else.

Also the fact that you would use Leenock as an example of a bad player proves you have no idea what you're talking about.



there is no super dominant player in sc2 yet.

that's the point. MVp and nestea and some others are the best at the moment sure. but not one or two players are ultra dominant like flash/jd/bisu.

I also find Leenock's talent and play more impressive than Stephano.

Leenocks run through MLG was more impressive than anything stephano has done.


ya youre right, Bisu is super dominant LOL

Bisu pretty much is. He went like 85% last couple of rounds of PL. He's easily the best protoss in the world and top 5 altogether.
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