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On December 10 2011 10:11 Asha` wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 10:07 HentaiPrime wrote:On December 10 2011 09:19 Le BucheRON wrote:
Naniwa has the eye of the tiger. complexity doesn't reward eye of the tiger = / Sounds like complexity don't reward a player wanting more money after 1 result lol =p Mostly seems to be he said/she said with Nani saying he wasn't getting booted and complexity saying he was lol. I tend to beleive the Col side of things but it was nice to hear Naniwa talking about it anyway.
He came second in EU battle.net inv, fourth at blizzcon, won the EU mlg invitational, won the world mlg invitational and came second at mlg providence. By far Complexity's most successful player no?
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On December 10 2011 10:34 iRaYP wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 10:11 Asha` wrote:On December 10 2011 10:07 HentaiPrime wrote:On December 10 2011 09:19 Le BucheRON wrote:
Naniwa has the eye of the tiger. complexity doesn't reward eye of the tiger = / Sounds like complexity don't reward a player wanting more money after 1 result lol =p Mostly seems to be he said/she said with Nani saying he wasn't getting booted and complexity saying he was lol. I tend to beleive the Col side of things but it was nice to hear Naniwa talking about it anyway. He came second in EU battle.net inv, fourth at blizzcon, won the EU mlg invitational, won the world mlg invitational and came second at mlg providence. By far Complexity's most successful player no?
Definitely... No other player on their roster has such an accomplished carrier in SC2.
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i like the hypocrisy (disregarding the contradictions between nani and jason lake) of naniwa leaving ebcause complexity supposedly valued catz 5k viewers same as naniwa's 2nd place....yet he goes to QxG with Destiny, the guy who has similar skills to catz (better, but still relatively similar in tournament placements when they've participated) but is the biggest streamer thats a player.....
it just makes his entire interview seem like he's covering face by having that flaw, whether he is or not covering face.
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Results are the only thing that matter to me as well. Guy certainly gets a lot of flack. Honest, hardworking and others say he's hard to manage. Whatever.
Difference of opinion.
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On December 10 2011 10:36 darklight54321 wrote:
i like the hypocrisy (disregarding the contradictions between nani and jason lake) of naniwa leaving ebcause complexity supposedly valued catz 5k viewers same as naniwa's 2nd place....yet he goes to QxG with Destiny, the guy who has similar skills to catz (better, but still relatively similar in tournament placements when they've participated) but is the biggest streamer thats a player.....
it just makes his entire interview seem like he's covering face by having that flaw, whether he is or not covering face.
I think Nani was stating that coL valued advertisement more than accomplishment. From what I saw in the original interview Nani said that coL didn't plan to send any other players to Korea either which, understandably, could get frustrating.
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On December 10 2011 10:34 GreEny K wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 10:33 Odal wrote:On December 10 2011 10:28 GreEny K wrote:On December 10 2011 10:27 pPingu wrote:On December 10 2011 10:20 GreEny K wrote:
I agree with Naniwa's decision, but he should have picked a better a better team... I don't see why qxg wouldn't be a good team? He will be able to stay with sase and practice in the startale house with ace and squirtle, who I think he said helped him a lot A better team, in my opinion, as I don't like QxG. So pro players should choose teams based on your opinions on them? Wat? And what is wrong with Quantic? They seem like pretty cool dudes. Calm down chief, just my opinion... Obviously you want players you like to go to teams you like... If you don't, you're not human. And didn't QxG break up their deal with ST?
They broke up their deal with IM. They've made a deal with ST right now.
From what Lake said, it sounds like Nani didn't have much a choice what team he went to anyways.
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On December 10 2011 10:36 darklight54321 wrote:
i like the hypocrisy (disregarding the contradictions between nani and jason lake) of naniwa leaving ebcause complexity supposedly valued catz 5k viewers same as naniwa's 2nd place....yet he goes to QxG with Destiny, the guy who has similar skills to catz (better, but still relatively similar in tournament placements when they've participated) but is the biggest streamer thats a player.....
it just makes his entire interview seem like he's covering face by having that flaw, whether he is or not covering face.
I think that his point is that col is a "team of catz" if you will. While Quantic has Destiny, but also has players like Sase who are dominating powerhouses
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On December 10 2011 10:11 Asha` wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 10:07 HentaiPrime wrote:On December 10 2011 09:19 Le BucheRON wrote:
Naniwa has the eye of the tiger. complexity doesn't reward eye of the tiger = / Sounds like complexity don't reward a player wanting more money after 1 result lol =p Mostly seems to be he said/she said with Nani saying he wasn't getting booted and complexity saying he was lol. I tend to beleive the Col side of things but it was nice to hear Naniwa talking about it anyway.
eye of the tiger is a state of mind!
being able to entertain people on a stream is not eye of tiger!
where would rocky be if he didn't have eye of the tiger? would he be fighting the current boxing champ even though people are telling him he's too old? no! he'd be on complexity
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On December 10 2011 10:36 darklight54321 wrote:
i like the hypocrisy (disregarding the contradictions between nani and jason lake) of naniwa leaving ebcause complexity supposedly valued catz 5k viewers same as naniwa's 2nd place....yet he goes to QxG with Destiny, the guy who has similar skills to catz (better, but still relatively similar in tournament placements when they've participated) but is the biggest streamer thats a player.....
it just makes his entire interview seem like he's covering face by having that flaw, whether he is or not covering face.
What he means(I presume obv' im no nani) is that catz gets the same bonus for hitting 5k stream viewrs as nani got for finishing second in mlg, nani feels like second place at one of the hardest tournements of all time deserves a bigger bonus than hitting 5k viewers, At QxG i can only presume that he will be rewarded alot better(atleast relatively) compared to people like destiny hitting big stream numbers.
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When did Naniwa get a tattoo? Has he had it for a long time, or am I just slow and havent noticed until now?
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naniwa said he instigated the move from complexity to quantic, but jason lake (owner of complexity) said on reddit that We're sending TriMaster to Korea any week now and Johan is well aware of that. I'm not going to get into a public argument and wish him the very best but this was a one way decision. His contract was being sold (to Quantic or someone else) whether he approved or not. Someone is not telling the truth and i'm gonna trust the owner of complexity rather than someone who has the reputation of being a douche bag.
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On December 10 2011 10:42 emecee wrote:naniwa said he instigated the move from complexity to quantic, but jason lake (owner of complexity) said on reddit Show nested quote +that We're sending TriMaster to Korea any week now and Johan is well aware of that. I'm not going to get into a public argument and wish him the very best but this was a one way decision. His contract was being sold (to Quantic or someone else) whether he approved or not. Someone is not telling the truth and i'm gonna trust the owner of complexity rather than someone who has the reputation of being a douche bag.
Then why did they pick him up less than a month ago? It doesn't make sense to pick someone up and then sell him right away unless that person didn't want to be there. He hasn't changed in the past month, he is the same person, so they knew what they were getting into.
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"complexity didn't want to reward me"
... so basically he wanted a bonus on top of compLexity takes 0% from prize money,allowing him to live in Korea, and giving him a salary ... nice
Anyway, I don't know who to believe since every time one side talks it contradicts what the other is saying. All I can do s with both sides good luck from this point on and hope that Naniwa sticks with Quantic for a while.
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I wonder how mr. Lake was planning on selling him to a team where he did not want to go. That is, why would a team want to buy a contract of a player who doesn't want to play for them?
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On December 10 2011 10:34 iRaYP wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 10:11 Asha` wrote:On December 10 2011 10:07 HentaiPrime wrote:On December 10 2011 09:19 Le BucheRON wrote:
Naniwa has the eye of the tiger. complexity doesn't reward eye of the tiger = / Sounds like complexity don't reward a player wanting more money after 1 result lol =p Mostly seems to be he said/she said with Nani saying he wasn't getting booted and complexity saying he was lol. I tend to beleive the Col side of things but it was nice to hear Naniwa talking about it anyway. He came second in EU battle.net inv, fourth at blizzcon, won the EU mlg invitational, won the world mlg invitational and came second at mlg providence. By far Complexity's most successful player no?
Wasn't/Isn't he #1 on MLG thing from throughout the year and placed high at all of them even when koreans were dominating?(like top 2/3 foreign player)
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On December 10 2011 10:42 MadNeSs wrote:
When did Naniwa get a tattoo? Has he had it for a long time, or am I just slow and havent noticed until now?
He has it for a veeeeeeeery long time, never seen him without
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On December 10 2011 10:45 GreEny K wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 10:42 emecee wrote:naniwa said he instigated the move from complexity to quantic, but jason lake (owner of complexity) said on reddit that We're sending TriMaster to Korea any week now and Johan is well aware of that. I'm not going to get into a public argument and wish him the very best but this was a one way decision. His contract was being sold (to Quantic or someone else) whether he approved or not. Someone is not telling the truth and i'm gonna trust the owner of complexity rather than someone who has the reputation of being a douche bag. Then why did they pick him up less than a month ago? It doesn't make sense to pick someone up and then sell him right away unless that person didn't want to be there. He hasn't changed in the past month, he is the same person, so they knew what they were getting into.
They most likely picked him up because they were confident that he would behave himself in public and be satisfied with the mvp house. which did not happen.
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On December 10 2011 09:26 Dexington wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 09:23 Redmark wrote:On December 10 2011 09:20 Dexington wrote:
Naniwa beat 3 players at MLG to get second. The system let him get that far. I'd bet a lot of money if he had to go through that open bracket like Leenock did, he would have never came close to that place.
He beat Nestea in the most controversial series ever, Huk who hasn't won a PvP in ages and DRG. Then got stomped by Leenock.
I don't know why he gets so much hype. Can't wait to see his GSL performance. Are you serious? Beating Nestea, controversial or not, Huk and DRG is not impressive? Christ. I'd like to see your foreign dream team. He also lost to Cloud and DRG at Dreamhack. And almost lost to Ciara I believe. He barely even made it out of his group. I honestly predict he will get last in his GSL group, especially considering it'll be Bo3's, drop to Code A, then be eliminated the following season. Let's remember he has yet to win a game in the GSL and has been utterly outclassed in those games against Lucky.
I have no idea how you watched the games vs lucky from code A and decide to call that 'utterly outclassed'.....? First game was close, 2nd game he fucked up and died to lings, that tells you............ fuck all about someones skill level.
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On December 10 2011 10:39 GreEny K wrote:From what I saw in the original interview Nani said that coL didn't plan to send any other players to Korea either which, understandably, could get frustrating.
Of course, Jason Lake specifically says that NaNiwa is full of crap on that point, and given that he's the owner of the team I'm inclined to believe him.
So far everything else seems pretty consistent. The coL position seems to be that they sold him on because his undeniably awesome game wasn't enough to compensate for his difficult attitude (which is pretty consistent with his WC3 career and his departures from previous teams including dignitas, mTw and MYM). The NaNiwa position seems to be that he's glad to be rid of coL and be in a new environment. Those two things seem pretty complementary.
Edit: GreEny K: It's easy to say 'they knew what they were getting into' but they probably didn't. It's one thing to say 'Player X has a bad attitude' and another to know exactly what that entails. IdrA's rep is that he's bad mannered, but also that he's extremely easy to work with and manage out of game. NaNiwa's is more that he's tough to handle outside the game. He's been DQed from a couple tournaments and removed from teams because of that before. It's entirely possible that coL picked him up hoping that he'd matured significantly as a person over his time at dignitas. It's also possible that they looked at his talent and his results and decided to sign him because he, unlike all the other players they could have signed (except Stephano, that's a separate issue) could have made them a major SC2 power team.
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On December 10 2011 10:46 Hundisilm wrote:
I wonder how mr. Lake was planning on selling him to a team where he did not want to go. That is why would a team want to buy a contract of a player who doesn't want to play for them?
I don't think Nani cares what team he's on so long as he can stay in Korea and train, and so long as that team continues to send him to tourneys.
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