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Russian Federation4295 Posts
We all know, that SC2 requires a lot more clicks to hold muta-stack, than in SC1. Less clicking makes muta-stack more spreaded and less effective.
But I found a way to hold it better, by using Shift-command.
Screen 1:
Standart muta-stack - more you click, the more effective muta stack.
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/7IgRbl.jpg)
Screen 2:
By clicking less, mutastack loses it effectiveness.
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/ovPhhl.jpg)
Screenshot 3:
But with using Shift-command, mutalisks will not spreaded and muta stack will be effective, same as it was at the start. But sometimes some mutalisks will fly away from main group, especially with route with sharp corners, where some mutalisks 90% will fly at some distance from main group.
It's a bit random factor, but 90% mutastack saves and holds with ways, like on screenshots under this text.
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/JKYJql.jpg)
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/S02sfl.jpg)
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Why would you queue commands for muta micro? That kind of defeats the purpose. You need to control their movement on the fly in order to harass effectively with it. You can't really snipe HTs or kill probes while taking minimal damage if you are queuing move commands
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Spam right click? I don't really see why you'd shift either. Can you give an example?
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Russian Federation4295 Posts
Why would you queue commands for muta micro?
With queuing mutalisks will not fly in difference ways, ruining muta-stack. It allows to less micro with mutastack and saves some your APM
Spam right click? I don't really see why you'd shift either. Can you give an example?
You can test it in game. Without using Shift and then with shift, in second case mutalisks will hold muta-stack better.
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i can see how this could be effective at times, like when u find yourself in a tight spot trying to fly past turrets with a bit of a squeeze cuz theres no more room, it could have some uses but not many, still nice find. could this be used with phonix aswell, could be effective vs muta
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oh man, i cant help but imagine a thor volley out of the black mist hitting that thang...
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This helps Mutalisks avoid the range of cannons and turrets when in large numbers, possibly preventing you from losing some unnecessary hits. This actually seems like a good trick, and I would certainly try it on ladder if I played Zerg.
Edit: Also, when fighting against Stalkers and Marines, clumping to this degree will prevent the player from focusing weakened Mutalisks, perhaps keeping even more alive. This means the player now has an additional consideration when microing Mutas: do I keep them clumped up, or do I magic box them and keep them spread out?
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Russian Federation4295 Posts
like when u find yourself in a tight spot trying to fly past turrets with a bit of a squeeze cuz theres no more room, it could have some uses but not many, still nice find
It can save some your APM. Instead mass-right-clicking you can click sometimes and they will not spread in difference ways.
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Canada13430 Posts
While i think it is inefficient for micro which is super important for mutas this might be a first step towards something where someone sees something else here. Like if this were a first step in microing the mutas and another command or certain action would be used after this.
For example shift queue the muta movement between two small movement points at a time? idk someone who plays zerg would need to play with it but its possible there is a fruit here that has yet to ripen.
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I don't think that this is any more effective then spamming right click. If you mess up you could run right into a Thor shot or worse. I think it's best to stick to the traditional micro in this case. I'm glad you brought this up though. Twas interesting.
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Russian Federation4295 Posts
On December 07 2011 22:34 TheLOLas wrote:
I don't think that this is any more effective then spamming right click. If you mess up you could run right into a Thor shot or worse. I think it's best to stick to the traditional micro in this case. I'm glad you brought this up though. Twas interesting.
Sometimes it saves your APM and allows for noobs make that muta-stack easier
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Let's steer away from this as a noob-friendly technique and explore how it may be used more effectively.
My main question to OP:
How far apart can the shift move command be for this to be effective? That will really change how this technique is useful.
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Huh, I guess when you are flying in, you can shift queue them for movement and then start spam clicking to attack.
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Or when flying out, you can make your escape route in the border of the map and go macro earlier than if you had to do it manually.
That can be risky (thor volley), but it's still interesting to know.
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I don't see why this is receiving the criticism it is. No, it's not a technique you would use that often, but it's still a technique that has potential merit in the right situation, eg dodging around turrets with less APM than would usually be required.
Obviously you still want to be babysitting your mutalisks to keep them safe, but this technique means that, in some situations, instead of spam clicking I can perhaps fit in a more macro than I would normally.
Good find.
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On December 07 2011 23:26 Antisocialmunky wrote:
Huh, I guess when you are flying in, you can shift queue them for movement and then start spam clicking to attack.
yeah i think this is one ting this method is good for but i dont know how useful it is to use in a real match
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Doesn't make the mutalisks to lose speed? I would asumme that they would slow down at every waypoint making the mutalisk slower. Correct me if I'm wrong but I think that is a huge minus to this type of stacking.
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I usually stack up when I want to pick off tanks or medivacs. It just helps to avoid "catching the attention" of the AI of marines.
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Russian Federation4295 Posts
On December 07 2011 23:49 JackDragon wrote:
Doesn't make the mutalisks to lose speed? I would asumme that they would slow down at every waypoint making the mutalisk slower. Correct me if I'm wrong but I think that is a huge minus to this type of stacking.
They don't slow down at every point, only if they will be need to rotate in totally different way, like 180 degree or 45 degree
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Or you can include an overlord from way in the upper corner of your base in your control group so when you need to stack it will and when you don't it won't....
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