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Interview with Sundance DiGiovanni
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Kennigit
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Boundz(DarKo)
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Anyways watching now  Cheers! | ||
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WhiteDog
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), and the quality of the production is really good. | ||
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marvtech
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Krallman
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On November 20 2011 22:40 Boundz(DarKo) wrote: Lol how have u guys had the time to watch a 23min interview in 2 mins? Beats me... Anyways watching now Cheers!Haha thats true | ||
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-ForeverAlone-
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On November 20 2011 22:40 Boundz(DarKo) wrote: Lol how have u guys had the time to watch a 23min interview in 2 mins? Beats me... Anyways watching now Cheers!Doesn't take long to figure out if something is interesting or not.  We can actually hear what's being said, which is better than 99% of the Interview videos usually posted. | ||
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ReaperX
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Buruguduy
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It's their way of saying "first." lol. | ||
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Grigor
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On November 20 2011 22:40 Boundz(DarKo) wrote: Lol how have u guys had the time to watch a 23min interview in 2 mins? Beats me... Anyways watching now Cheers!They're clearly from the future | ||
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Pondo
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colingrad
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i hope it happens, ahhh december come faster so we can hear the news! | ||
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jinixxx123
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beamingrobot
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speedphlux
Bulgaria962 Posts
Gotta thank MLG Dallas 2011 and Sundance's reaction to it. I mean it was a total disaster and he could've easly scrapped the whole SC2 idea out of MLG and stick to the "safer" console titles. But he didn't. He took a lot of shit, took it as a man should, and then choose to dive straight into it, despite all that went wrong. Each MLG has gotten better and better since. In terms of game quality, stories, casting, crowds, drama and so on. Keep it up ! :D | ||
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s.a.y
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TBO
Germany1350 Posts
On November 20 2011 23:13 jinixxx123 wrote: wouldn't the new surge of barcrafts take a big dent out of the concurrent viewers? like for e.g Montreal barcraft i hear is 1500 ppl, thats 1500 views potentially .. Lots of people get together and watch from 1 view so i not sure why hes aiming for a specific viewer number. as long as they get the numbers from the barcrafts, it's not problem for them to add them up. 1500 people bunching up in a bar to watch MLG is probably even more interesting for sponsors than 1500 running streams from people at home (who might be or might be not at their computer). | ||
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colingrad
United States210 Posts
On November 20 2011 23:13 jinixxx123 wrote: wouldn't the new surge of barcrafts take a big dent out of the concurrent viewers? like for e.g Montreal barcraft i hear is 1500 ppl, thats 1500 views potentially .. Lots of people get together and watch from 1 view so i not sure why hes aiming for a specific viewer number. like he said sponsors and potential advertisers are going to care a lot about how many concurrent viewers there are watching the stream, i think being able to add on that there may now be even more thousands watching in bars on top of that number will definitely help peak interest in investing. | ||
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Stuv
Netherlands942 Posts
Hopefully he can live up to the words and let MLG grow healthy. | ||
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Tukker
Canada13 Posts
Excited for more MLG next season. MLG may not have the big payouts - but it is one of the few tournaments that I always try to plan my weekend around watching the tournament because of the casters / the crowd and the selection of great foreign and Korean players. | ||
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Egypt184 Posts
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Enki
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soulist
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Morale
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soulist
United States932 Posts
On November 20 2011 23:17 TBO wrote: as long as they get the numbers from the barcrafts, it's not problem for them to add them up. 1500 people bunching up in a bar to watch MLG is probably even more interesting for sponsors than 1500 running streams from people at home (who might be or might be not at their computer). I think its better for the sponsors because if there are people together while an advertisement then people can talk about it and be like "oh wow i really like hotpockets, do you?" and this conversation erupts about it. Rather than 1 person at home not giving a shit about the sponsors becuase its taking up their time from watching a starcraft game. | ||
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mnu
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I think MLG is great but what really gets me is how much they think of Gamers and Esports fans as"14-16 year olds" and it shows in a lot of stuff they produce (the music, the pimp my gamer bedroom show that runs between matches etc.). They should approach Starcraft 2 in a different way than console gaming. | ||
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JohnnyYen
United States313 Posts
"Some people will be always be unhappy"? I hope that's not foreshadowing MLG keeping the same extended series!!  | ||
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ntvarify
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Noam
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zul
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soulist
United States932 Posts
On November 20 2011 23:47 JohnnyYen wrote: Cool interview. Usually I like hearing the team liquid guys asking questions, but this was nice too. I loved Sundance's answers to the numbers question, his idea for how starcraft will grow to reach the mainstream. MLG seems to be on top of their shit, great stuff all around. "Some people will be always be unhappy"? I hope that's not foreshadowing MLG keeping the same extended series!! Im pretty sure they said they would remove the extended series. | ||
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!LL
Austria256 Posts
very nice video | ||
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MrGio
Georgia28 Posts
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Linwelin
Ireland7554 Posts
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skipgamer
Australia701 Posts
On November 20 2011 23:13 beamingrobot wrote: Wow, Sundance is such an intelligent guy. Such an awesome interview. Agreed 100% He is definitely a lot more intelligent than I pegged him for in some of his other interviews. I guess the questions just brought out the best in him? Either way, the fact that he is setting up MLG as not just a thing to make a buck, and is actually looking generations ahead is incredible. Sundance should be the face of e-sports... Obviously not the face of SC2, but really, this guy seems like he could make anyone who genuinely wants e-sports to succeed just hand over their support. | ||
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mki
Poland882 Posts
On November 20 2011 23:42 soulist wrote: Hmm Sundance said something about 185 million of bottles of dr pepper. I didn't really understand that. What did he say? Before StarCraft was on the Pro Circuit Dr. Pepper made special bottles with one of the Halo players and there were 185 million of those bottles. | ||
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Sanguinarius
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Paladia
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Yeah, the extended series is a really bad idea as well. | ||
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NuKedUFirst
Canada3139 Posts
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Alabasern
United States4005 Posts
On November 21 2011 02:44 Techno wrote: Sundance you are a great face for the business of esports. I haven't seen a techno post in a while, and I have to agree. Mr. Giovanni does the insight needed for this diverse business realm. | ||
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Brotatolol
United States1742 Posts
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Shodanss
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LeFroMaGe
United States628 Posts
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dAPhREAk
Nauru12397 Posts
its amazing that in a year MLG has far surpassed all other organizations in creating such a huge event. it is truly the best and most global sc2 tournament. GSL is a korean tournament; and wcg is meh. | ||
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Badfatpanda
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McKTenor13
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On November 21 2011 11:44 tsuxiit wrote: No mention of extended series. Dunno if that makes me happy or upset. Given how much the community has complained about that and given how much MLG listens to the community. I highly highly doubt there will be extended series next year. Plus it sounds like they are completely revamping their tournament system. I'm so excited for it! Great interview. I can't find words to describe how happy I am that Sundance is leading this amazing team at MLG to provide us with this entertainment. MLG is in very good hands. | ||
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Torte de Lini
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Mr Showtime
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paradoxOO9
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On November 20 2011 23:42 soulist wrote: Hmm Sundance said something about 185 million of bottles of dr pepper. I didn't really understand that. What did he say? One of their Halo players Tsquared was on bottles of Dr.Pepper in 08/09 to raise awareness of mlg. LOVE what Sundance is doing, have been following MLG for years and it keeps on improving, 2012 is looking to be incredible! | ||
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wei2coolman
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Fkyx
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DyEnasTy
United States3714 Posts
On November 21 2011 12:34 Fkyx wrote: Interview was cool, but having to read the questions sucked. I don't want to stare at Sundance for 20 minutes... I have better things to do. Like posting about it? Thanks for the interview! | ||
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iky43210
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Xirt
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Poyo
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SwizzY
United States1549 Posts
I'm glad that one of the heads of arguably the most legitimate Western Esports scene is a pretty level-headed guy and not some money-grubbing douche. I would like to see more in-depths interviews by MLG of the players - shown specifically during the tournament so that more of a personality is formed from each of the players. Even though it was basically fictitious, the Naniwa-Nestea drama was one of the most interesting "rivalries" in SC2 to date, and it was only known because Artosis decided to tell the viewers. If MLG could facilitate more public interviews, things like these would be more frequent and thus make an MLG viewing experience that much better. | ||
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DeadPixels
United States78 Posts
On November 20 2011 23:46 soulist wrote: I think its better for the sponsors because if there are people together while an advertisement then people can talk about it and be like "oh wow i really like hotpockets, do you?" and this conversation erupts about it. Rather than 1 person at home not giving a shit about the sponsors becuase its taking up their time from watching a starcraft game. Yea, and also because one guy watching a stream at home can hit the 'mute' button every time a commercial comes on or switch to another window or something, but you can't mute the tv in a bar. So this guarantees that the commercial is actually on and being watched/listened to. And if they can get more and more sponsors, they won't have to play the same 5 commercials over the course of the entire weekend, which would mean that fewer people would be muting the stream because they don't want to watch some dumb bitch be a "Lady Cop" for the thousandth time. | ||
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Clank
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TheToast
United States4808 Posts
I'm a little annoyed Sundance couldn't tell us more about next season, but I understand why they want to wait. I have to say, he really comes off as someone who truly understands the Esports community and what we want to see. Very excited to hear more about next season! | ||
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Goibon
New Zealand8185 Posts
I particularly loved his answers at around 15 and 17 minutes. The whole growing ESPORTS for future generations as opposed to trying to convert people, and the bit about needing a structure in place for the US scene so these guys can actually be full time and treat it as such. Really good interview. Bring on 2012~! | ||
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bode927
United States164 Posts
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MichaelDonovan
United States1453 Posts
On November 20 2011 22:40 Boundz(DarKo) wrote: Lol how have u guys had the time to watch a 23min interview in 2 mins? Beats me... Anyways watching now Cheers!People who respond without viewing the content in the OP should be banned or something. But I guess it's better than them just posting "FIRST!" | ||
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Audio
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Bill Murray
United States9292 Posts
His answers are ambiguous as shit, and he rambles off topic based upon the questions often | ||
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DueSs
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LingBlingMuta
United States382 Posts
Good shit here! | ||
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pestilenz
Denmark379 Posts
 Nice interview though! Good insight | ||
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BudgetTheLeech
United States89 Posts
Anticipating December for the announcements. | ||
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dartoo
India2889 Posts
Also I wanted to know if they're looking to do something on a team level (ala gstl etc). | ||
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garlicface
Canada4196 Posts
On November 21 2011 15:20 Bill Murray wrote: He's a true politician. His answers are ambiguous as shit, and he rambles off topic based upon the questions often On November 21 2011 16:31 BudgetTheLeech wrote: Great interview. Thoroughly answered every question. Anticipating December for the announcements. ...heh. I will stand on neutral ground for this one. | ||
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
On November 21 2011 15:20 Bill Murray wrote: He's a true politician. His answers are ambiguous as shit, and he rambles off topic based upon the questions often You mean like your opinion that makes an accusation, gives a broad generalization similar to the characteristics of your accusation and then give no fucking examples. Get out of here dude. Examples please. | ||
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Highways
Australia6103 Posts
Also Kennigit is a mute? =D | ||
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Mioraka
Canada1353 Posts
Reminds me of the quote "A new scientific truth does not triumph by convincing its opponents and making them see the light, but rather because its opponents eventually die, and a new generation grows up that is familiar with it." It's both very true, and it shows that Sundance is definitely in it for the LONG term. | ||
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slam
United States923 Posts
On November 20 2011 22:40 Boundz(DarKo) wrote: Lol how have u guys had the time to watch a 23min interview in 2 mins? Beats me... Anyways watching now Cheers!Lol, I was thinking the same thing. | ||
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yeint
Estonia2329 Posts
On November 21 2011 15:20 Bill Murray wrote: He's a true politician. His answers are ambiguous as shit, and he rambles off topic based upon the questions often And you're a true political commentator. | ||
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Dezire
Netherlands640 Posts
after that leenock proceeds to win mlg :D | ||
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Mithriel
Netherlands2969 Posts
I wonder about the future plans of MLG though, in one way id love to watch these events all the time. However if its going to be to often it might lose its magic touch. Currently 6 times a year i do 3days fuck all besides sitting on couch watching SC2 whole day every day. If they're going to do it (lets say 15 times) i might not do it because it becomes "normal". You can compare it to TSL. If they'd do it every week it would be nothing more than a weekly, now because its a once a year thing its EPICCCCC and Legen... wait for it dary! ps. I LOVE MLG ♥♥<3<3 | ||
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La1
United Kingdom659 Posts
love the direction of MLG! | ||
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Soleron
United Kingdom1324 Posts
On November 21 2011 15:20 Bill Murray wrote: He's a true politician. His answers are ambiguous as shit, and he rambles off topic based upon the questions often He meant exactly what he said. I can see why you'd think that, but he's just approaching things from a business perspective rather than a priori esports is amazing let's throw money at it. Which answers did you have a problem with? He gave a timeframe for more specifics on next year (December) | ||
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Fiel
United States587 Posts
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SevenAteNine
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its sure getting big | ||
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sixfour
England11061 Posts
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MrCash
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Nonnar
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legendre20
United States316 Posts
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Avalain
Canada308 Posts
I'd really like to see what happens in 2012. Here's hoping for Canadian events! | ||
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Chickaboom
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JoeAWESOME
Sweden1080 Posts
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Thrill
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Hopefully SC2 will attract people who don't actively play as well, like BW did in Korea. | ||
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Benjef
United Kingdom6921 Posts
Didn't know they actually did that, not suprised if they did it with T2. So happy see MLG grow :D. Its been making me lose sleep since 08/9 :D | ||
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Redox
Germany24794 Posts
1. Sundance saying that the way to go for e-sports is not converting the masses but organical growth with the new generations. 2. The hint at regional competitions that lead up to the global competition. MLG needs regional qualifiers that gives people spots and possibly travel money for the big event. It just sucked that travel stipends were given in a quite random fashion, and to Koreans only. Europeans just stopped coming except they had spots in the pools. Regional qualifiers would bring more games and more fairness, as well as the opportunity to have regional champions. | ||
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zyglrox
United States1168 Posts
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PhoenixDark
United States286 Posts
On November 22 2011 02:49 Redox wrote: Two things I really liked about the interview: 1. Sundance saying that the way to go for e-sports is not converting the masses but organical growth with the new generations. 2. The hint at regional competitions that lead up to the global competition. MLG needs regional qualifiers that gives people spots and possibly travel money for the big event. It just sucked that travel stipends were given in a quite random fashion, and to Koreans only. Europeans just stopped coming except they had spots in the pools. Regional qualifiers would bring more games and more fairness, as well as the opportunity to have regional champions. Agreed, very exciting. I'd love to see guys like Dimaga show up to more MLGs for instance; qualifiers is a great way to diversify things I'm also excited about plans to ensure players are rewarded for successful runs, and players who don't perform will no longer have a monopoly on pool spots. | ||
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zZygote
Canada898 Posts
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booshtv
United States30 Posts
Managing different ways of delivering content to the consumer is the 2012 frontier. Good interview nonetheless <3 | ||
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crms
United States11933 Posts
Anyway, great interview my only gripe is I was at work so I had to listen and not watch.. trying to shrink/open/shrink/open to see the questions was annoying! I just stopped and figured out the question based on his responses hah. | ||
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Bulkers
Poland509 Posts
On November 21 2011 23:00 SevenAteNine wrote: wow 90k lol viewers before the matches even started its sure getting big I dont play LoL but i know that games that are streamed on official big events are featured in the game, that means when stream starts everybody that are online playing LoL they get notified that there is a stream, and they can watch it via game... thats why after 10 sec streams gets 90k viewers | ||
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[17]Purple
United Kingdom3489 Posts
On November 22 2011 05:50 Bulkers wrote: I dont play LoL but i know that games that are streamed on official big events are featured in the game, that means when stream starts everybody that are online playing LoL they get notified that there is a stream, and they can watch it via game... thats why after 10 sec streams gets 90k viewers That also really helps when the LoL player base is at 32 million compared to SC2s 4.5 millions (according to sales, couldn't find anyother statistic). | ||
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Bulkers
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Torpedo.Vegas
United States1890 Posts
On November 22 2011 06:27 [17]Purple wrote: That also really helps when the LoL player base is at 32 million compared to SC2s 4.5 millions (according to sales, couldn't find anyother statistic). As was stated, LoL has the benefit of the free-to-play model. So more people understand it and are aware of the game combined with the stream being featured in-game upon login. LoL is certainly popular, but relatively speaking it hasn't really tapped that community as well as SC2 as worked with what they have. Also, from my understanding, the Moba community in general is split pretty heavily between HoN,LoL,Dota and Dota2 plus any other derivatives I am missing. | ||
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Deckkie
Netherlands1595 Posts
On November 22 2011 06:27 [17]Purple wrote: That also really helps when the LoL player base is at 32 million compared to SC2s 4.5 millions (according to sales, couldn't find anyother statistic). I once installed LoL and played intro. Wonder if they count me in the 32 million. | ||
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twoscomp
United States42 Posts
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Twistacles
Canada1327 Posts
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Redox
Germany24794 Posts
On November 22 2011 06:32 Bulkers wrote: LoL is free, so you wont find accurate "sales" info, anyways if imagine that every big tournament GSL, MLG, Dreamhack, ESL would be in partnership with Blizzard, and all those event would be possible to watch from battle.net 2.0, you log and you see big button and you watch. For sure we would have massive increase in viewer count. Fact is LoL has every day much more stream viewers than sc2 has. Without any big tournaments or announcements by Riot. It has simply the bigger player base. Sc2 fans should not always try to talk other games down, they can nicely exist next to each other. | ||
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Ladnil
United States93 Posts
On November 22 2011 05:50 Bulkers wrote: I dont play LoL but i know that games that are streamed on official big events are featured in the game, that means when stream starts everybody that are online playing LoL they get notified that there is a stream, and they can watch it via game... thats why after 10 sec streams gets 90k viewers It's linked prominently within the game, but it still opens up in a browser like any other stream. Players who don't open it up don't count. | ||
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Fasterfood
Canada166 Posts
On November 22 2011 05:50 Bulkers wrote: I dont play LoL but i know that games that are streamed on official big events are featured in the game, that means when stream starts everybody that are online playing LoL they get notified that there is a stream, and they can watch it via game... thats why after 10 sec streams gets 90k viewers That's pretty inaccurate. I can't believe this rumour is STILL going around. You can't watch lol in the client. There's a news feed, just like when you log into battle.net, however the lol news feed is regularly updated. That being said, I wish blizzard would do a better job of posting when tournaments are coming up. | ||
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Romitelli
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fortheGG
United Kingdom1002 Posts
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Chicane
United States7875 Posts
On November 22 2011 05:48 crms wrote: LoL numbers make me sad because it's such a terrible game, I hope dota2 can take the market when its fully released. =.= Anyway, great interview my only gripe is I was at work so I had to listen and not watch.. trying to shrink/open/shrink/open to see the questions was annoying! I just stopped and figured out the question based on his responses hah. Why is LoL such a terrible game? I guess I should first say that I play LoL (and obviously enjoy it) but I do not feel it is a good spectator game... but I also feel dota 2 is also not a good spectator game (well technically I am referring to the original dota, but dota 2 will be very similar). Yes Dota 2 will come out with more and better features than what LoL is currently working on (they recently came out with a spectator mode) but I don't see why that will make dota 2 a good spectator game all of a sudden. + Show Spoiler + It won't On top of that, I love Valve, I played Dota for a few years, I enjoyed it for the most part, and I will very likely play Dota 2 (especially if it is free to play, which seems like the best idea for making plenty of money while increasing its popularity quickly) but in the end I am disappointed that they didn't try to tweak and improve the Dota formula in any way, and therefore I think that there is no way it will be a significantly better game to watch than LoL is (other than graphically). | ||
bkrow
Australia8532 Posts
Some good questions; overall it was a lot of high level generic responses but i enjoyed hearing it. He's got a plan and that is the good part. Also, recognising the format issues is a big deal | ||
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floor exercise
Canada5847 Posts
On November 22 2011 06:27 [17]Purple wrote: That also really helps when the LoL player base is at 32 million compared to SC2s 4.5 millions (according to sales, couldn't find anyother statistic). Everyone who watches LoL plays LoL. The majority of people who watch SC2 don't actually play it | ||
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Chicane
United States7875 Posts
On November 22 2011 09:48 floor exercise wrote: Everyone who watches LoL plays LoL. The majority of people who watch SC2 don't actually play it Source? | ||
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JawHun
United States151 Posts
Go Sundance Go! | ||
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mtn
729 Posts
There is 30 mln +/- people playing LoL. And only 2mln playin sc2. | ||
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Fruscainte
4596 Posts
On November 22 2011 10:09 mtn wrote: There is 30 mln +/- people playing LoL. And only 2mln playin sc2. I thought it was 30 million accounts, most of which were alts and it was only a couple million unique accounts. | ||
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VillageBC
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I think there is space for multiple games to exist and the communities to support them without hurting each other. I'm an SC2 fan, not LoL. I assume it works the other way around. | ||
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Greyhawk
Australia110 Posts
"I don't even think the best starcraft 2 player in the world has even picked up the game yet". He really is preparing for the future of Starcraft 2. LOVE IT! | ||
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Bigtony
United States1606 Posts
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iky43210
United States2099 Posts
On November 22 2011 07:51 Redox wrote: Fact is LoL has every day much more stream viewers than sc2 has. Without any big tournaments or announcements by Riot. It has simply the bigger player base. Sc2 fans should not always try to talk other games down, they can nicely exist next to each other. you should probably articulate your facts first, cause they're not true | ||
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DeltruS
Canada2214 Posts
On November 22 2011 10:19 Fruscainte wrote: I thought it was 30 million accounts, most of which were alts and it was only a couple million unique accounts. I heard LoL just passed WoW in active players. WoW has a little over 10 million active players, so LoL would have around that. | ||
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United States101 Posts
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United States319 Posts
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zaii
Guam2611 Posts
On November 22 2011 12:12 Highways wrote: I'll rather watch Halo than a MOBA... and 200k+ ppl prefer LoL | ||
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enzothebaker
United States7 Posts
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sylverfyre
United States8298 Posts
On November 22 2011 10:19 Fruscainte wrote: I thought it was 30 million accounts, most of which were alts and it was only a couple million unique accounts. Well, sure. There's alt accounts in there. But 5-6 multis per person? Not really - the "leveling up" and champion purchasing makes it pretty strongly favoring just having 1 account (or perhaps 1 smurf account and one main, so you can smurf when playing with newbie friends rather than dragging in high-leveled opponents into the game who will crush them - not a very fun newbie experience). But how do you argue with 1.3mil logged in at the same time? (There isn't really any point in being logged in to multiple accounts at the same time) http://na.leagueoflegends.com/news/community-grows-32-million-players There's a lot more stats here than just # of accounts registered - take a look! By the way, this is a massive influx of new players within the last four months. Those year-old inactive accounts are a drop in the bucket. I suspect the opening of the Chinese server, coupled with a chinese team winning at IEM China not long ago, has aided this. If LoL starts winning over the massive chinese gaming community (again, F2P model helps here) of course then they're going to have some beastly numbers to show for it. LoL's newbie experience is a lot better than HoN, for sure. Starting players off at 1500 Elo is a huge mistake, and making a new player put up with 20+ games of feeding hardcore and being harassed by their own team before they get the hang of the game (even SC2 has a way better newbie experience than that. And SC2 isn't much of a newbie-friendly game. Shit, I'd argue even BW has a better newbie experience than that!) DotA1 is primarily a who-you-know whether you have a decent newbie experience or not. DotA2 i expect will be implementing much of the same system that LoL has, where you start off picking whether you're experienced or not, Because it has a friendly newbie experience, a lot of people have at LEAST tried out the game. As such, many players who do so are at least somewhat interested in watching top players play the game (out of curiousity, out of desire to improve, etc... you all see the popularity of streaming SC2 - LoL has the same effect.) even in disorganized "solo-q" settings, there are players who hit 20k viewers. When you remove that disorganized pub play atmosphere and put on a tourney that players have practiced for, it's that much more interesting to watch. Now, there IS much more downtime in LoL than SC2, and I don't think the current casters are great at filling airspace, so we'll see how the scene improves. But I think it will be going places, especially with Riot finally getting a publically available observer mode running. | ||
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Avean
Norway449 Posts
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
I watch both LoL and SC2, don't understand why there's gotta be all this LoL vs SC2 | ||
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dooraven
Australia2820 Posts
On November 22 2011 16:42 wei2coolman wrote: I watch both LoL and SC2, don't understand why there's gotta be all this LoL vs SC2 Because a lot of people that are fans of Dota/HoN want Lol to die beacause they think it's a lesser skilled game. It's obviously not going to so I don't see why people keeping hoping it to. I'm pretty sure MLG is going to add Lol to the circuit after this though, 90k before games even started is massive and I wonder how much it ended up finally getting. And this is mostly NA since none of the EU teams were participating in the event. | ||
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
The competition will mostly be between LoL and Dota 2 in the foreseeable future, with Blizzard's Dota also being a possible contender depending on how they market Blizzard Arcade. LoL already has a successful platform across the world, so it is really the task of Valve and Blizzard to make something happen. A business model like LoL's will help - people, especially in poorer countries, will generally prefer F2P games over retail games or worse, games with subscription models. Assuming that Dota is eventually replaced, LoL is currently the game with everything going for it in terms of world-wide popularity, business model, and newbie friendliness. Until Dota 2 and Blizzard Dota can match that success, LoL is probably the safest market to go after, even if its not - in many people's eyes - a great eSport game compared to Dota/Dota 2. | ||
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SevenAteNine
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thesideshow
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spajn
34 Posts
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dakalro
Romania525 Posts
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shur
Germany35 Posts
and digiovanni is quite a nice and reasonable guy. how can one not agree with him. | ||
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LF9
United States537 Posts
And the SC2 number is under-inflated because of the online-only system, what with users not being able to have multiple accounts. LoL is a free game and you can have as many accounts as you want. If 5 million people play, and each player has a few accounts, there you have your stupid large number. Each account in SC is a person physically buying the game, whereas in LoL, thousands and thousands of people have tried the game and just stopped playing because they didn't like it, and thousands and thousands more are players with 5 or 6 accounts. | ||
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Ryps
Romania2740 Posts
Who cares how many players there are for LoL what harm does it do to starcraft ? | ||
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Eury
Sweden1126 Posts
On November 22 2011 19:57 spajn wrote: did he say 34 million leagues of legend players? and 4 million sc2 players? that cant be right There have been 34 million League of Legend accounts created so far, how many of those are unique accounts no one knows. SC 2 sold over 5 million copies in the first 6 months, Blizzard hasn't release any updated numbers since then. | ||
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TemujinGK
United States483 Posts
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mpanikos
Greece20 Posts
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TutsiRebel
United States172 Posts
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On November 22 2011 17:36 Azarkon wrote: I feel like HoN is going to be mostly a niche game in the MOBA scene. Sorry HoN devs, but you guys did a lot of things wrong, not the least of which is failing to expand into China, the biggest market for MOBA games. The competition will mostly be between LoL and Dota 2 in the foreseeable future, with Blizzard's Dota also being a possible contender depending on how they market Blizzard Arcade. LoL already has a successful platform across the world, so it is really the task of Valve and Blizzard to make something happen. A business model like LoL's will help - people, especially in poorer countries, will generally prefer F2P games over retail games or worse, games with subscription models. Assuming that Dota is eventually replaced, LoL is currently the game with everything going for it in terms of world-wide popularity, business model, and newbie friendliness. Until Dota 2 and Blizzard Dota can match that success, LoL is probably the safest market to go after, even if its not - in many people's eyes - a great eSport game compared to Dota/Dota 2. Actually, you're completely wrong. LoL is the niche game. It draws something completely different out of the MOBA scene. HoN originated from a close clone of DOTA, while LoL drew from the basic MOBA structure, but came up with something different. And with brilliant marketing, LoL will be the only MOBA that is going to survive the DOTA2 release. It has its own niche, ergo the only reason why it will survive. I think you don't really understand the word "niche". | ||
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Tommylew
Wales2717 Posts
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Tommylew
Wales2717 Posts
On November 22 2011 20:06 dakalro wrote: About LoL ... I got an account, installed game, got queue first time I tried logging in, uninstalled. Hai, I'm one of the so called 32 mln. yeh ivew installed it and havent played it once..im another hehe. | ||
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growlizing
Norway122 Posts
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MingusDew
United States77 Posts
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Panicc
Germany163 Posts
On November 23 2011 02:27 Tommylew wrote: yeh ivew installed it and havent played it once..im another hehe. Yes and like there are millions of sc2 players who dont play anymore Some even have more accs like myself :DIts funny how you try to protect your game. Face it. LoL is more popular and that is only blizzards fail cause they could do so much more to promote starcraft2... They are actually doing nothing to promote esports or sc2 and that is.... | ||
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Golden Ghost
Netherlands1041 Posts
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Arch00
United States233 Posts
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
On November 22 2011 17:36 Azarkon wrote: I feel like HoN is going to be mostly a niche game in the MOBA scene. Sorry HoN devs, but you guys did a lot of things wrong, not the least of which is failing to expand into China, the biggest market for MOBA games. The competition will mostly be between LoL and Dota 2 in the foreseeable future, with Blizzard's Dota also being a possible contender depending on how they market Blizzard Arcade. LoL already has a successful platform across the world, so it is really the task of Valve and Blizzard to make something happen. A business model like LoL's will help - people, especially in poorer countries, will generally prefer F2P games over retail games or worse, games with subscription models. Assuming that Dota is eventually replaced, LoL is currently the game with everything going for it in terms of world-wide popularity, business model, and newbie friendliness. Until Dota 2 and Blizzard Dota can match that success, LoL is probably the safest market to go after, even if its not - in many people's eyes - a great eSport game compared to Dota/Dota 2. I think LoL actually costs more to play than just a straight up buy the game play the game. Unless you grind for like 5 years to get every hero. So I think what Valve did with TF2 having a F2P but also buy option will be best. | ||
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Gengar
United States13 Posts
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RobinTheMadTerran
United Kingdom8 Posts
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collegeBored
United States1524 Posts
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Eiii
United States2566 Posts
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ixi.genocide
United States981 Posts
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Tremor
United States92 Posts
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cydereal
United States193 Posts
Great interview! | ||
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Smackzilla
United States539 Posts
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gradotude
United States196 Posts
On November 24 2011 05:20 collegeBored wrote: 34mil on LOL and 4mil on SC2? i call BS What's so hard to believe about it? LoL is Free. SC2 is 50 dollars. | ||
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bLah.
Croatia497 Posts
moba games have always been highly played, but what made lol such a hit is that it's a good game + it's free + marketing is fenomenal, riot games support that game so much, they give money for tournaments and stuff like that. basically riot games currently supports their game more than any other company including blizzard. blizz should learn from them. but yea, good game with great payment model and it's not that weird. +you just gotta understand that sc2 isn't for everyone, it's pretty demanding game and will always be less played than some easier games | ||
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