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On November 09 2011 18:26 skeldark wrote:[...] Show nested quote +
4. I really have trouble understanding and comprehending how in the world Amanda willingly signed for 700k php worth of travel tickets as a guarantor without expressly writing that Gus is also party to it.
dont understand this part too. Btw what is this jail thing about? you dont get into jail because you can not pay your bills when its not even 100% clear its your bills. I think they panic a little bit.
afaik they're friends right? (or were ...)
I guess you'd do that with a friend involved, you don't expect surprises
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On November 09 2011 18:24 Dox wrote:Disgusting to see them celebrating whilst an innocent party is at risk. ![[image loading]](http://sea-play.com/pics/dox/twittercelebrate.png)
Not sure why you are highlighting the time so much, it would be far far faaar worse had the ppsl tweet come after yours.
But you are right, this is a pretty disgusting situation...
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Didn't IPL (David Ting) post that they kept half the sponsorship money on hold until all issues were settled or to reallocate the money to reimburse people that were screwed over? I see this as the way out for Amanda, with IPL stepping up to reimburse her with the money originally meant for the PPSL/Gus.
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+ Show Spoiler +On November 09 2011 18:26 skeldark wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2011 18:02 17Sphynx17 wrote:
1. The problem with the issue with Amanda is its doubtful she has a legally binding contract that states that Gus is the one that is assigned to pay the obligations and that she is merely a representative.
2. They most likely are not legally registered as a corporation or group with the government, which means the heirarchy of manager, travel agent, staff etc can be something that is denied and claimed as heresay if it were to reach court.
3. If ever she has a document that states such, I doubt it is a notarized contract but simply an agreement that is most likely a photocopy only and not a certified true copy. (She trusted in Gus too much) This documentations are helpful but not needed. The people there, the twitter messages and so on is enough proof that she worked by his order. If it comes hard to hard, i think she would win on court and can show that she is the wrong person to sue. But hope they find a way it clear it out earlier. Show nested quote +
4. I really have trouble understanding and comprehending how in the world Amanda willingly signed for 700k php worth of travel tickets as a guarantor without expressly writing that Gus is also party to it.
dont understand this part too.
Btw what is this jail thing about? you dont get into jail because you can not pay your bills when its not even 100% clear its your bills. I think they panic a little bit.
Well, I don't think it's jail but since she guaranteed for it, she is obligated to pay for it. Which means, if she can not pay on the due date, it would either be an arrangement of payment terms staggered throughout a certain span of time of 6 months to a few years. But all obligations would fall on her.
She could possibly go to jail though is she issued dated checks where the accounts do not have the balance necessary to clear them. Estafa is the case if I'm not mistaken.
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If you guys are aware. We are a democratic country (The Philippines). Therefore our testimonies will work against Gus himself. Sue that !@#$
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I can't believe what I'm reading. Philippine esports should be moving forward. Mineski and other small organizations here are putting all their efforts to make esports grow in our country. Now it seems this is a lethal blow on us. Gus, be a man. Explain yourself.
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On November 09 2011 18:29 JustPassingBy wrote:
Not sure why you are highlighting the time so much, it would be far far faaar worse had the ppsl tweet come after yours.
But you are right, this is a pretty disgusting situation...
As I said in the previous post - while we're all worried about someone, they're simultaneously celebrating.
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This guy is digging himself deeper and deeper into a hole he created. Theres no coming back from this. Its called damage control for a reason. It didn't happen, so now he will have to deal with the consequences. Would be nice if he was banned from any future events (just my opinion).
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On November 09 2011 18:31 17Sphynx17 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On November 09 2011 18:26 skeldark wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2011 18:02 17Sphynx17 wrote:
1. The problem with the issue with Amanda is its doubtful she has a legally binding contract that states that Gus is the one that is assigned to pay the obligations and that she is merely a representative.
2. They most likely are not legally registered as a corporation or group with the government, which means the heirarchy of manager, travel agent, staff etc can be something that is denied and claimed as heresay if it were to reach court.
3. If ever she has a document that states such, I doubt it is a notarized contract but simply an agreement that is most likely a photocopy only and not a certified true copy. (She trusted in Gus too much) This documentations are helpful but not needed. The people there, the twitter messages and so on is enough proof that she worked by his order. If it comes hard to hard, i think she would win on court and can show that she is the wrong person to sue. But hope they find a way it clear it out earlier. Show nested quote +
4. I really have trouble understanding and comprehending how in the world Amanda willingly signed for 700k php worth of travel tickets as a guarantor without expressly writing that Gus is also party to it.
dont understand this part too. Btw what is this jail thing about? you dont get into jail because you can not pay your bills when its not even 100% clear its your bills. I think they panic a little bit. Well, I don't think it's jail but since she guaranteed for it, she is obligated to pay for it. Which means, if she can not pay on the due date, it would either be an arrangement of payment terms staggered throughout a certain span of time of 6 months to a few years. But all obligations would fall on her. She could possibly go to jail though is she issued dated checks where the accounts do not have the balance necessary to clear them. Estafa is the case if I'm not mistaken.
Law might be different in the Philippines?
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This makes me so angry. I wouldn't piss on this guy if he was on fire. I hope he burns.
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On November 09 2011 18:36 deusemx wrote:
This makes me so angry. I wouldn't piss on this guy if he was on fire. I hope he burns.
I never understood this, you would think being burned and covered in piss would be worse than being actively on fire.
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+ Show Spoiler +On November 09 2011 18:34 Lunares wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2011 18:31 17Sphynx17 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On November 09 2011 18:26 skeldark wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2011 18:02 17Sphynx17 wrote:
1. The problem with the issue with Amanda is its doubtful she has a legally binding contract that states that Gus is the one that is assigned to pay the obligations and that she is merely a representative.
2. They most likely are not legally registered as a corporation or group with the government, which means the heirarchy of manager, travel agent, staff etc can be something that is denied and claimed as heresay if it were to reach court.
3. If ever she has a document that states such, I doubt it is a notarized contract but simply an agreement that is most likely a photocopy only and not a certified true copy. (She trusted in Gus too much) This documentations are helpful but not needed. The people there, the twitter messages and so on is enough proof that she worked by his order. If it comes hard to hard, i think she would win on court and can show that she is the wrong person to sue. But hope they find a way it clear it out earlier. Show nested quote +
4. I really have trouble understanding and comprehending how in the world Amanda willingly signed for 700k php worth of travel tickets as a guarantor without expressly writing that Gus is also party to it.
dont understand this part too. Btw what is this jail thing about? you dont get into jail because you can not pay your bills when its not even 100% clear its your bills. I think they panic a little bit. Well, I don't think it's jail but since she guaranteed for it, she is obligated to pay for it. Which means, if she can not pay on the due date, it would either be an arrangement of payment terms staggered throughout a certain span of time of 6 months to a few years. But all obligations would fall on her. She could possibly go to jail though is she issued dated checks where the accounts do not have the balance necessary to clear them. Estafa is the case if I'm not mistaken. Law might be different in the Philippines?
I am from Philippines so I'm actually thinking about how it would mean jail time for her? Only swindling and estafa come to mind in here case wherein the travel agency could claim she swindled them of the tickets and didn't pay for them. Estafa in the case she made checks that bounced because they never had any funds to pay for the written amount to begin with.
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Nobody gets jailed in the Philippines because of debt.
We have a saying here, "wala pang nakukul0ng sa utang" (same as statement ab0ve)
(my letter 0 just br0ke)
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On November 09 2011 18:36 deusemx wrote:
This makes me so angry. I wouldn't piss on this guy if he was on fire. I hope he burns.
and again. People put the torches aside.
We all see limited information that comes by forum post , twitters and chat logs.
EVERYONE is innocent until proof guilty. Rageing over people like this on forums will help no one and there will always be the days where you guys piss on the wrong guy. Happens in the past here on TL and sadly im sure will happen again.
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On November 09 2011 18:45 skeldark wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2011 18:36 deusemx wrote:
This makes me so angry. I wouldn't piss on this guy if he was on fire. I hope he burns. and again. People put the torches aside. We all see limited information that comes by forum post , twitters and chat logs. EVERYONE is innocent until proof guilty. Rageing over people like this on forums will help no one and there will always be the days where you guys piss on the wrong people. Happens in the past here on TL and sadly im sure will happen again.
And then they make an apology post, everyone forgives them and they're ESPORTS friends again. This is just the natural cycle every hate spree must follow, the jail thing adds an interesting spin to it, but it will still work out the same way.
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On November 09 2011 18:24 Dox wrote:Disgusting to see them celebrating whilst an innocent party is at risk.
This actually made me see red. What a complete joke. This whole incident has become the CxG of this decade and will have vast reprecussions on the esports scene as a whole.
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On November 09 2011 18:53 S-Class wrote:
I have read through every single post up to page 15, and skimmed the rest up to now, I believe this is matter is an act of CRIME and a attack to esports and everything we love about it.
I'm surprised no one has stated anything specific, so I'll do it:
1. At the level of TL, give him a conditional perm ban until he comes up with a valid explanation for everything that is being complained against him.
2. Have him update TL or in some other ESports forum on the status of all the "complaints" against him (payment for the hotel, team Cube, YJ, etc.)
3. File lawsuits. This is not a simple matter of mismanagement. This is about a man who, reading the posts here and elsewhere, bragged about being the "BOSS" yet performed way below incompetence level, and even had malicious intentions in the performance of his duty.
This is a criminal act. And Gus Ledesma is a criminal.
Potential!
calling someone criminal who is not proof criminal is criminal!
you should not start your tl account with a torch fire statement.
On November 09 2011 18:47 Worldatlarge wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2011 18:45 skeldark wrote:On November 09 2011 18:36 deusemx wrote:
This makes me so angry. I wouldn't piss on this guy if he was on fire. I hope he burns. and again. People put the torches aside. We all see limited information that comes by forum post , twitters and chat logs. EVERYONE is innocent until proof guilty. Rageing over people like this on forums will help no one and there will always be the days where you guys piss on the wrong people. Happens in the past here on TL and sadly im sure will happen again. And then they make an apology post, everyone forgives them and they're ESPORTS friends again. This is just the natural cycle every hate spree must follow, the jail thing adds an interesting spin to it, but it will still work out the same way.
true that. there must be some hidden internet-forum rules i dont know about.
Howto hate, howto fanboy, howto hype....
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fuck man I'm still in debt
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This is by far the most epic clusterfuck I've ever witnessed. Words just fail me. GunRun; you deserve hugs from every e-sports fan in the world for stepping in to assuage some of the worst of the blowback for one of the victims. And I'm sure that a solution will be found to keep Amanda out of jail - €9k is a lot of money, but it would be cheap advertising for IPL to front it, and in the worst case, I'd be surprised if the community couldn't collect that in an emergency.
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