EPTOn November 11 2011 02:15 Sbrubbles wrote:
Want some cheese to go with your whine?
Want some cheese to go with your whine?
OMG Mr. Dumbest of All !
10 Row of Facts vs. 8 Words about nothing !!! xD LoL
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SzaszaG
Hungary120 Posts
OMG Mr. Dumbest of All ! 10 Row of Facts vs. 8 Words about nothing !!! xD LoL User was warned for this post | ||
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skatbone
United States1005 Posts
On November 10 2011 21:22 Socke wrote: i keep reading a bit of these kind of threads from time to time, and seriously: why are ppl saying p has the strongest lategame army when in fact it has the worst? :[ Thank you for weighing in, Socke. Terran bioballs with ghost support and Zerg-blord-infestor balls are incredibly strong. I find myself trying to avoid these armies with my "a-move" toss deathball. I welcome the ghost nerf as I had stopped going chargelot-archon entirely due to mass emps...I still probably won't go back it though as double forge with blink first to deal with drops is working okay for me. | ||
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Brotocol
243 Posts
On November 10 2011 21:22 Socke wrote: i keep reading a bit of these kind of threads from time to time, and seriously: why are ppl saying p has the strongest lategame army when in fact it has the worst? :[ They keep saying it because it's effective. All they need is to convince David Kim, and judging from Blizzcon... Mission Accomplished. | ||
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Cone
United States5 Posts
I get what you're saying. But you also gotta realize that we are talking about a population here. The same way you think DT's are badass someone else may think that Ghosts are badass and the T lore is fun. In the whole population though, It would be likely that these numbers even out. There's another point. Most people beyond plat (especially diamond-masters) don't really keep playing a race because the lore is fun or because a unit is badass. They like to win. And P being the race that is less mechanical demanding, it just suits them better. They should even out, but I think you're still wrong about the micro thing. T is more mechanically demanding from a macro side in my opinion and I think that is the reason P and Z have about 5% more players in Gold+. Terran macro is unforgiving and there aren't nearly as many crutches like those warpgates can afford if you just overmake them slightly. | ||
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petro1987
Brazil374 Posts
On November 11 2011 02:48 Cone wrote: They should even out, but I think you're still wrong about the micro thing. T is more mechanically demanding from a macro side in my opinion and I think that is the reason P and Z have about 5% more players in Gold+. Terran macro is unforgiving and there aren't nearly as many crutches like those warpgates can afford if you just overmake them slightly. I don't think it'll even out. As a matter of fact, some time ago, there were more Ts than there are now. I think if anything the number of Ts will keep dropping for a while and eventually stabilize at some point. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States46226 Posts
On November 11 2011 02:48 Cone wrote: They should even out, but I think you're still wrong about the micro thing. T is more mechanically demanding from a macro side in my opinion and I think that is the reason P and Z have about 5% more players in Gold+. Terran macro is unforgiving and there aren't nearly as many crutches like those warpgates can afford if you just overmake them slightly. Why do you think Terran is harder to macro? I just wrote this response to petro about that: On November 11 2011 02:19 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Have you read the past few pages of this thread (where we've talked about the macro mechanics of Terran and Protoss, especially at the lower levels)? It was proposed that macroing as Terran was significantly harder than it was as Protoss at the lower level- originally with no supporting evidence whatsoever. That statement was merely thrown out there, and everyone (appropriately) ridiculed it (including myself), and then someone asked me to explain why that statement was worthy of ridicule (as if it was my job to refute someone else's claim, rather than that person's job to support his own). Even though the other guy (I think it was IIIIIIIII but I'm not sure- feel free to check up on this) decided not to back up his statement, I decided to refute it anyway. I pointed out that keeping up your macro as a Terran player (especially during battle) is arguably easier, because you can use hotkeys (e.g. 1AAAADDDD) and don't have to look off screen for a proxy pylon to warp in (which is obviously something you don't want to do if you need to micro units). Furthermore, while it's not ideal, lower level players can actually queue Terran units in their unit-producing structures a few seconds (or longer) before the units pop out, so that their macro doesn't miss a beat. However, a Protoss can't ever queue gateway units; to keep up with Terran macro, a Protoss player has to hit the warpgate cooldown timings almost perfectly every time. This was not to propose that Protoss is automatically harder to play than Terran; it was merely to shut down the (undefended) statement that Terran macro is *obviously* harder than Protoss macro. Obviously, at the lower levels, nobody is going to macro perfectly anyway (making the discussion of race imbalance less relevant). Furthermore, at the higher levels, we see Terran and Protoss macro about even (further discrediting the statement that Terran macro is worse- or else they would always be behind in supply). So I consider these arguments and the stereotypical pro-game to be pretty strong evidences against the claim that Terran macro is overwhelmingly more difficult than Protoss macro. And this is all stuff that I had said before. And I understand your desire for good arguments (I have that same need). I just think you're a little late to the party  And for the record, there wasn't really much controversy over my arguments >.> | ||
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how2TL
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Raid
United States398 Posts
Read the dang title, its patch 1.4.2 live, and yet you are jumping on the bandwagon complaining about every single little thing. How is teamliquid allowing this offtopic stuff happen on this thread it's ridiculous! People act like they are playing at the highest level protoss, when obviously there are a bunch of flaws in their game. Try to make themselves sound pro and whine about it. Stop crying in threads and just play the game, the patch hasn't even been out for a week yet.. | ||
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Serashin
235 Posts
On November 10 2011 21:22 Socke wrote: i keep reading a bit of these kind of threads from time to time, and seriously: why are ppl saying p has the strongest lategame army when in fact it has the worst? :[ community doesnt make balance changes , they state their opinion wich is very often wrong. and why do you care about that ? knowing your playstyle from PvP vs me i can tell that u do not invest time into finding more reasonable ways of using ur options , thus you are in my opinion a limited player ( or a typical lazy European player ) | ||
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Coeus1
Finland160 Posts
Now many of you gold-plat-diamond-master players whine that "oh yea korean pros can do it but in MY level of play this is totally imba, I have to be 5x better to win." Make up your mind people, balanced game at the top, or at your amateur/casual level. Preferrably both, but pro level balance should always go first IMHO. Korean pro scene has seen Protoss as a weak race in recent months and these latest patches help and have already helped. | ||
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Nightshake
France412 Posts
On November 11 2011 03:25 Raid wrote: HOW THE HELL DID THIS THREAD JUST TURN INTO A PROTOSS QQ THREAD! Read the dang title, its patch 1.4.2 live, and yet you are jumping on the bandwagon complaining about every single little thing. How is teamliquid allowing this offtopic stuff happen on this thread it's ridiculous! People act like they are playing at the highest level protoss, when obviously there are a bunch of flaws in their game. Try to make themselves sound pro and whine about it. Stop crying in threads and just play the game, the patch hasn't even been out for a week yet.. Seriously, you are completely right. Protoss pussies whining on every thread starts to feed me up, especially when they are just bad. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States46226 Posts
On November 11 2011 03:44 Nightshake wrote: Seriously, you are completely right. Protoss pussies whining on every thread starts to feed me up, especially when they are just bad. o.O There have been far more Terran complaints on here than Protoss ones, although that's to be expected since one of the changes was an EMP nerf. But obviously, people are going to argue points and counterpoints, complain and countercomplain. That's the way patch threads work. I'm surprised that you're shocked enough to write in all caps over this. | ||
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Honeybadger
United States821 Posts
On November 11 2011 03:25 Raid wrote: HOW THE HELL DID THIS THREAD JUST TURN INTO A PROTOSS QQ THREAD! Read the dang title, its patch 1.4.2 live, and yet you are jumping on the bandwagon complaining about every single little thing. How is teamliquid allowing this offtopic stuff happen on this thread it's ridiculous! People act like they are playing at the highest level protoss, when obviously there are a bunch of flaws in their game. Try to make themselves sound pro and whine about it. Stop crying in threads and just play the game, the patch hasn't even been out for a week yet.. Agreed. No matter what blizzard gives P and Z, the whine-wagon never freaking stops. Shut up and take your buffs. Terrans are just sucking it up and dealing with it, even though our only core gameplay option in TvP (with the current metagame) is mass t1/1.5 with healers and a unit that takes off a fast recharging shield. God forbid our hellions take less than nine shots to kill a zealot and our seige tank splash is so horrendous that it hits too few units in the deathball to do any damage whatsoever. I'm not even complaining about those problems, because I understand how this game works. We have a problem now. Eventually someone will figure it out. Zerg figured out how to hold 5RR even before the roach range buff, factory required for nitro packs nerf, reaper build speed nerf, barracks build speed nerf, depot before rax nerf, etc. That said, outside of whining, I do wonder why ravens and banshees aren't being used in PvT right now. a small wave of banshees does serious damage, particularly if he's going zealot heavy. Raven HSM is actually fast enough now to hit pretty much anything but phoenixes and blinkstalkers, and actually has enough of a radius to do real damage. Oh yeah, a HT with feedback pwns thors, ravens, banshees, and battlecruisers. | ||
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SeaSwift
Scotland4486 Posts
On November 11 2011 04:19 Honeybadger wrote: Shut up and take your buffs. Terrans are just sucking it up and dealing with it, even though our only core gameplay option in TvP (with the current metagame) is mass t1/1.5 with healers and a unit that takes off a fast recharging shield. God forbid our hellions take less than nine shots to kill a zealot and our seige tank splash is so horrendous that it hits too few units in the deathball to do any damage whatsoever. I'm not even complaining about those problems, because I understand how this game works. We have a problem now. Eventually someone will figure it out. Zerg figured out how to hold 5RR even before the roach range buff, factory required for nitro packs nerf, reaper build speed nerf, barracks build speed nerf, depot before rax nerf, etc. That said, outside of whining, I do wonder why ravens and banshees aren't being used in PvT right now. a small wave of banshees does serious damage, particularly if he's going zealot heavy. Raven HSM is actually fast enough now to hit pretty much anything but phoenixes and blinkstalkers, and actually has enough of a radius to do real damage. Oh yeah, a HT with feedback pwns thors, ravens, banshees, and battlecruisers. You say that Terrans aren't whining and then produce a whole fucking passage of whine. There is far more Terran whining in this thread than Protoss, strangely enough. If you can contradict yourself within the space of 2 short paragraphs, don't expect people to argue with you about the actual ideas of your post. | ||
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canikizu
4860 Posts
On November 11 2011 04:19 Honeybadger wrote: That said, outside of whining, I do wonder why ravens and banshees aren't being used in PvT right now. a small wave of banshees does serious damage, particularly if he's going zealot heavy. Raven HSM is actually fast enough now to hit pretty much anything but phoenixes and blinkstalkers, and actually has enough of a radius to do real damage. Oh yeah, a HT with feedback pwns thors, ravens, banshees, and battlecruisers. banshee raven is a sneaky strat, because if protoss knows you're gonna do that strat he will not go zealot heavy, but go stalker instead. Even if you're sneaky enough, 2 cycle of stalker warpin is enough to deal with your army, that doesn't count HT feedback on raven and banshee. | ||
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Raid
United States398 Posts
On November 11 2011 04:16 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: o.O There have been far more Terran complaints on here than Protoss ones, although that's to be expected since one of the changes was an EMP nerf. But obviously, people are going to argue points and counterpoints, complain and countercomplain. That's the way patch threads work. I'm surprised that you're shocked enough to write in all caps over this. I've been reading the thread to see feedback from people on how they "like" the new patch and all it is a bunch of players like you who have yet even tested out all the possibilities of the new patch and just continue to argue with other people about balance. In all honesty I've seen by far more protoss whine than terran whine on this thread and the thing is if terran whine at least is justified to whine because of nerfs. Protoss have received a fairly decent buff and they are still whining a ridiculous amount. If you feel the need that this patch was not enough make a new thread and talk about it. BUT since I believe most the people on this forum have yet played enough games to come to any conclusions that protoss are still underpowered, please don't jump to any conclusions before enough evidence is gathered. | ||
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nShade
Bulgaria296 Posts
"...Protoss pussies".... really? What makes a person playing protoss- different from somebody who plays zerg? Think about it, and see how pathetic it is to hate people, who are just trying to do the same thing as you- Having fun playing. We are all just people enjoying A GAME. Why the hell does there have to be so much hate between people playing different races? Can anybody here say "I won/lost a game, because of the changes in the patch." ? Anyone? No. Nobody can. The changes are so minor, that only the high-end progamers can feel the differance. Facts are facts. The protoss players are having a hard in the PvsT match-up. If you, terrans, were on their spot, you would "whine" as much as people playing protoss do. Experiment. Switch races for a month and see how it feels to be on the other side of the walI. I am sorry if I offended anyone. | ||
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zmansman17
United States2567 Posts
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Techno
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Mehukannu
Finland421 Posts
Never thought I would see a thread in TL degrade into a battle.net whine thread. People keep offending each other from all races, that's just sad. Apparently there isn't that many mature people in TL.  On November 11 2011 05:54 Techno wrote: Passive aggressiveness breeds hate which breeds hate. TL doesn't ban enough. I agree, it almost seems like mods are getting tired of banning people. | ||
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